[ overboard / sfw / alt / cytube] [ leftypol / b / WRK / hobby / tech / edu / ga / ent / 777 / posad / i / a / R9K / dead ] [ meta ]

/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

"The anons of the past have only shitposted on the Internets about the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it."
Password (For file deletion.)


IRC Chat





File: 1628445678747.png (16.21 MB, 3955x2633, ClipboardImage.png)

 No.431196[Last 50 Posts]

Reports are coming in from Labour list and momentum that there are preparations for a showdown at the 2021 labour conference. With Labour branches putting forward a motion to re-instate Jeremy Corbyn and transferring the ability of removal of MP's to labour members. This is the biggest internal matter Kieth Starmer has faced yet, loosing this vote at confrence threatens to majorly undermine his leadership and demostrate a left majority against his leadership within the party.



Burn down Labour and form a new left party, labour is rotten to the core. IMT fags milling about because they're too ashamed to face their Militant comrades who at least had the balls to stick it out alone.


I agree, my hope is that

1. The motion wins
2. The Starmer leadership backlashes and denies corbyn.
3. They expel so many members, and the disgust from ignoring confrence, allows the creation of a new party.


File: 1628447192967.jpg (24.53 KB, 590x384, David-Schwimmer-s-characte….jpg)

the most based outcome


>the undetectable man will get elected again
He can't keep getting away with it


File: 1628451365105.png (74.85 KB, 442x244, ClipboardImage.png)



File: 1628451444899.png (50.7 KB, 822x221, ClipboardImage.png)

IMT got expelled anon.


How is it possible that britposters are worse than burgerposters on leftypol?


expulsion tends to take a while, if you kick everyone out at the same time you would cause an organised resistance. Instead they do it in drips and drabs like they attempted to do to the Militant but they just fucked off. IMT has no spine so former members will stay in party and renounce their views, despite their book club circles


thank you for making a new thread however i am also going to have to break your fingers for not linking it in the old one.


I came in your mum last night.


because you're a seething burgerposter


Erhm, SocApp is the IMT wing, the IMT have been kicked out of Labour: that's the point.


File: 1628460478463.png (1.61 MB, 1080x1206, ClipboardImage.png)

Visionary maggie was an eco hero




This was the same woman who fucked up the economy so bad that she only got bailed out by North Sea oil extraction and a convenient war but trust a Daily Fail writer to have zero grasp on reality.


The United Kingdom was the most proletarian country in the world. This was hardly the image it projected overseas, or within the empire, or to itself. Yet it had the largest and perhaps the most uniform urban working class –rivalled in size only by the German and the American. In no place other than the United Kingdom could it be said that up to 80 per cent of the people were known as the ‘working classes’. The British people were ‘manual workers’,they were ‘hands’, ‘housewives’. Most were ‘respectable’, ‘decent’ indeed. A minority were so far from being ‘gentle’ they were labelled ‘rough’. The people were not, as in most of the world, peasants, but proletarians living in a complex interconnected society. Their lives were recorded by the hand of a bureaucrat – a shipping clerk, a census enumerator, a War Office pen-pusher,an official in a labour exchange – not by their own hands.
Labour, work, toil were, aside from sleep, what most did with most of their time. Necessity’s sharp pinch was never far away. Most owned very little – three-quarters had less than £100 (a low annual wage) in wealth. They owned very little more than their clothes and furniture and kitchen utensils. They were branded on the tongue, speaking in local accents,different from those of the gentlefolk above them. They were marked by their clothing: they wore cloth caps if male, and if female might have, at the beginning of the century, covered their heads with a shawl. They paid rent to private landlords, and they worked for private employers. If employed, they were paid weekly, and from 1911 were subject to a specific working-class poll-tax, National Insurance. The great majority paid no income tax, and if they did they paid no National Insurance. They started work earlier in the morning than the middle class. There were special ‘workmen’s tickets’ on trains running before 8 a.m.; such fares accounted for some 5 per cent ormore of passenger revenue in the 1930s, and one-third of the ordinary number of tickets sold (excluding season tickets).
They had schools, and many other institutions, exclusively to themselves too. So-called ‘elementary’ schools run by local authorities from the 1902 Education Act onwards divided from the interwar years into infants (to seven), junior (to eleven) and senior elementary schools (to fourteen), with an increasing distinction between the first two (primary schools) and secondary schools –terminology which remained even as the system changed radically. Unlike middle-class schools they were mixed gender. The spectator sport of the working-class male was football – not rugby or cricket – a game successfully implanted by the British working class all over the world, with, oddly, the exception of the former British empire. In terms of intellectual life the stark truth was that the working class did not have very much it could call its own.
Yet this working class developed an unusually strong trade union movement, both for the skilled and the unskilled, especially for men. These trade unions created a political party itself steeped in the world of work which emerged as a national party in the interwar years. In the 1920s, and especially from 1945, it gave the House of Commons a significant number of working-class members and formed a majority government. In 1950 the United Kingdom still had one of the very largest working-class movements in the capitalist world, and certainly the most organized. By telling the story of the Labour Party as part of the story of labour, we can see that its power rested on a quite different basis from that of the other important parties. It was always subservient or in opposition to greater political powers. The Labour Party was in office from time to time; the industrial, military, financial and professional arms of the Liberal and Conservative parties were in power all of the time. Labour’s primary task was to get workers,specifically trade unionists, into local government, and into the House of Commons. It was not a party with a complete alternative set of policies and prescriptions, for example in foreign affairs and military strategy.


>The Communist Party fights for the national independence and the true national interests of the British people and of all the peoples of the British Empire.
>The subjection of Britain to American imperialism is a betrayal of the British people in the interests of big business and of those who are planning a new world war. In the economic sphere, Britain has been turned into a satellite of America, and an American monopolist placed in supreme command of Britain’s industry and American economic controllers and supervisors established in London and reporting to Washington. American big business controls our financial policy, imposes trade restrictions and bans, openly dictates policy, as in the case of devaluation, and is extending the network of American financial penetration and control over British industry. In the military sphere, Britain has been turned into an American base, and the American army of occupation is growing. The new arms programme was decided on American instructions, and under the Atlantic Pact, Britain’s armed forces have been placed under an American Supreme Commander. The British Empire, similarly, has been subjected to increasing American financial and military penetration.
>For the first time in its history, our country has lost its independence and freedom of action in its foreign, economic and military policy to a foreign power—the United Slates of America.

> Within the British Isles, the enforced partition of Ireland and the maintenance of British troops in Northern Ireland must be ended, to enable Irish national unity to be realised. There must be full recognition of the national claims of the Scottish and Welsh peoples, to be settled according to the wishes of these peoples.

wonder what Leninhat thinks of the British Road to Socialism.


I know, but they won't expel all the members overnight. The proscribed the group and witch hunt them out little by little, I know people who were Militant members who were kicked out a decade after their official explusion.


Cope and seethe burger this is the best country general


Britposters are full of distilled, original, undiluted anglofaggotry.


BBC studios STORMED by anti-Covid passport protesters, VIDEO shows clashes with police amid attempted break-in


lol it isn't even the BBC HQ, it's the old one they left in 2013



that's Miachel Gove's ex wife…


The "journalist"


Getting my A-level results tomorrow lads. Bricking it rn


Good luck King, I'm sure you'll do fine


File: 1628542193518.png (295.04 KB, 660x498, 4d4.png)

Please, someone give me a grain of hopium, i'm sick of the blackpills.


Things can't go on like this forever, and the younger generations are much MUCH more left wing than the old.


>>434995 Also getting my results, sorta worried, but I don't think it will really hit me until tommorow.

Good luck to the both of us


Thanks mate, really hope I do

Yeah I'm the same, it sort of doesn't feel real because we've not done any exams. Good luck to you too :)


Good luck anon, and they don’t matter that much anyway people just want to scare you into behaving


Thanks sage


yeah its pretty surreal, especially with as you said, not doing exams, I'm just hoping with the amount of work I put in, that I did atleast alright and manage to get into a Russell group uni


File: 1628556023071.jpg (48.94 KB, 426x639, 1628313217874.jpg)

Here's one for you fellers: How could Blairism be avoided?


Purge any and all blairites

Nice quads BTW


"Climate Change" has always been a Malthusian stick which the bourgeoisie try to beat us with.
Death to all greens and hippies.


lol of course, they just accidentally booted people out of hospitals, killed them with end of life drugs, denied health care to the poor and sick and sat around drumming their fat labour aristo fingers for 18 months.




File: 1628615176975.gif (1.08 MB, 220x169, 026fdc0b162d478d3bb5c214d0….gif)

The same porkies that are constantly in denial about it ever happening?


They're not in denial about anything, they imposed lockdowns, muzzles, forced vaccinations.


Are you talking about the pandemic or climate change?


Preventing John Smith from being assasinated.


Labour never enters the national goverment.


Hope yal doing well, hate the drama


We should beat up Leninhat in a dark backstreet alley.


I'm sure he already gets a smack and his phone robbed every time he tries to walk from the block to the shop and back.




I know it's a topic beaten to death, but holy fuck the media hit on Corbyn and the Labour Left even now, a year and a half later, still is fucking mindblowing.
Turned literally the most Anti-Racist, Progressive, Forward thinking people in Parliament (and the only people to vote against the hostile environment policy) into basically Luddite Neo-Nazis in the mind of the general public then as soon as Corbyn gets the boot (for a report that completely exonerated him and shit on Starmers cronies which the media flipped and presented the other way) Labour actually engages in a purge of Jewish members (JVL) and the media doesn't make a peep.

The antisemitism bullshit is so surreal looking back on it as well. Especially how the media ignored completely the BoD is literally full of card carrying Tories and most of the JLM was literally reformed in 2016 by the Israeli Embassy. Don't even get me started on the IHRA definition.


Honestly I think it's set in a 'go hard or go home' mentality amongst 'Corbynistas' who didn't get too demoralized. If you're gonna be called an anti-Semitic commie for wanting social democracy, might as well just advocate for actual socialist policies. Aye they prevented a Corbyn victory, but they also enabled the beginning of a newly radicalized layer who aren't just gonna be lost in Labour bureaucracy.


Glowvid. And of course, just wait till the bourgeoisie start imposing no-meat diets on the working class, of course they'll still have steak and veal.


Like…Theoretically…Their right? Kinda?

People that work in the energy sector either in a mine or at a power plant etc are like the hardest people to convince about climate change and the need to switch to more renewable energy sources. Almost universally because they believe this will result in them becoming unemployed. AND IT WILL.

It's sad but working in a coal mine or a coal fired power planet needs to be re-stigmatised in society as the modern equivalent of someone installing asbestos.


thatcher didn't close the mines because of climate change, she closed the mines (a) specifically out of spite, because the miners fucked over Heath and (b) as part of a general project of crushing trade unions and the working class more broadly.
the UK coal industry was in long term decline. (hence the other right-wing dickhead's retort: that Labour closed more mines than Thatcher - very true, but they didn't leave the miners on the dole for the rest of their lives as a result!)
The question was not "will we have mining, or not have mining", it was "how will we wind the industry down". at no extra cost it would've been possible to reduce or eliminate new hiring and slowly wind down existing mines. (which actually broke even on coal extraction, before running deep into the red on pension payments and land damage compensation - both of which had to be paid regardless!) the government was repeatedly informed of this, indeed the unions made their own calculations on the matter public, and yet the government chose to quickly shutter the whole thing and obliterate mining communities in the process.

never forget that this is the same government that was massively subsidizing tax cuts and mass unemployment with the inflows from the famously environmentally friendly oil industry.


Retarded, and wrong. Coal imports went up for years after and peaked in 2007.


>working in a coal mine or a coal fired power planet needs to be re-stigmatised in society
Fuck off, coal miners were the section of the British working class where communism was the strongest.


>Labour closed more mines than Thatcher - very true, but they didn't leave the miners on the dole for the rest of their lives as a result
What did Labour do instead? Where did these ex-miners get employment?


File: 1628747225269.png (27.61 KB, 2150x1500, UK_Coal_Mining_Jobs.png)

In general the policy was a combination of Retraining + Keynesian full employment policy + closures being expected in advance, so hiring stopped and existing workers retired + probably some specific schemes I'm not aware of (these being the good old days where, if a foreign car company wanted to sell cars in Britain, the government could if it so pleased say "Fine, but you're going to build them in a factory in Town X because there's not enough jobs there right now."). I am not aware (though I'm sure in some filing cabinet somewhere there'll be numbers) of any precise examples of where employment would flow.

Conveniently during the 74-79 government there was an energy crisis so although Keynesianism was on the ropes and then abandoned (with high unemployment as a result) the coal industry actually benefited from temporarily becoming more competitive, so employment actually stabilized in the 1970s.


>Yank detected


Did your brain stop developing past the sino-soviet split?


Not really using coal from the UK would be less costly than importing and its not like everyone would instantly shut all mines and powerplants


wonder what leninhat's most mainstream/non contrarian opinion is.

but not as much as i wonder what his opinion on The British Road to Socialism, Programme adopted by the Executive Committee of the Communist Party of Great Britain. January, 1951. is.


probably that germs don't exist


probably that it's a crock of shit and signified the CPGBs turn to revisionism and essentially becoming another "left wing" asking its members to vote for the labour party every 4 years


Burger detected.


Worth mentioning that it wasn't just coal mining that was declining, all forms of mining were. A lot of pits in Wales for slate, iron, granite etc. shut in the 1950s.


Yeah but that is meaningless, as it wont generate any change.


>It had been the brilliance of Soviet diplomacy that had frustrated the will of the British and American imperialists to see the USSR crushed by Nazi Germany, and had forced them, against their will, to confront the Nazi beast militarily. Labour along with their imperialist masters, it seems, understood this better than the CPGB.
Ah to be in the CPGB-ML, where the USSR (entry to WW2: 1941) made Britain (Entry to WW2: 1939) go to war with Nazi Germany.
(British capitalists did of course want to topple the USSR, some even wanting to attack it in the wrongheaded or purposefully disingenuous expectation that it would ally with the Nazis, but it is a bold claim that military confrontation didn't begin until a few weeks after the Blitz ended.)




Also the CPGB opposed military action after Molotov-Ribbentrop: to the point where a lot of their leadership left because they supported the war.


I suppose you could say that Molotov-Ribbentrop, forced UK and France to war with Nazi-Germany by encouraging the invasion of Poland but that's weirdly close to an anti-ussr position for CPGB-ML. Don't know how you'd fit the USA in there either.


File: 1628773482281-0.png (192.36 KB, 713x458, Richard J Aldritch - The H….png)

File: 1628773482281-1.jpg (127.5 KB, 960x1280, soviet victory over fascis….jpg)

File: 1628773482281-2.jpg (126.49 KB, 960x1280, Soviet victory over fascis….jpg)

You don't understand what that sentence is saying or you don't have enough knowledge of history to parse that sentence correctly.
So to you it sounds like a non sequitur

It's precisely because of Soviet diplomacy (and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) that Britain was forced to declare war on Germany a week after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact

Even then, the pro nazi faction in the British ruling class (represented by Chamberlain) was still trying to turn what they turned "the bad war" (with Nazi Germany) into a "good war" (With Soviet Union)

Britain was running scout planes into the USSR as late as May 1940 (8 months after declaring war on Nazi Germany during what became known even in Britain as the "Phoney War" period) looking for bombing targets against the Soviet Union

It was only with the deposition of Chamberlain with Churchill that Britain actually started to take the Nazis seriously - and yes, the Soviets getting one of the most vociferously anti-communist countries ever to exist which was led by a man that famously made the case for the 14 capitalist all invasion of the Soviet Union in 1918 by "smothering the bolshevik baby in it's crib" to become an ally of the Soviet Union despite Churchill sharing similar views as the nazis on the superiority of the Aryan race was indeed one of the most stunning plays of foreign policy and diplomacy of all time

>Also the CPGB opposed military action after Molotov-Ribbentrop: to the point where a lot of their leadership left because they supported the war.

As they should've. It was an all capitalist war that communists and working people had nothing to do with.
Only when the Nazis invaded the USSR did the character of the war change to a defense of socialism


can we extend this genius back further and attribute to the insight of international communism the assassination of franz ferdinand and the resulting inexorable march towards the founding of the USSR?


File: 1628774282813.png (567.57 KB, 1118x861, ClipboardImage.png)



most normal green party member


why's the headline written like they've been elected when the story is that they're standing for election
is nobody else standing or is this just the Guardian trying to help the Greens cover up the whole TERF infighting thing


Be facetious and dismissive as much as you like
The problem was openly discussed by Stalin in March 1939 (6 months before Molotov-Ribbentrop pact)
He openly points out that the "democracies" were more powerful than the fascists and that they were deliberately ceding territory to the Nazis under "appeasement" for hope of a war with the Soviet Union

Yet 6 months later Britain and France are at war with Nazi Germany, the cucks

< Here is a list of the most important events during the period under review which mark the beginning of the new imperialist war. In 1935 Italy attacked and seized Abyssinia. In the summer of 1936 Germany and Italy organized military intervention in Spain, Germany entrenching herself in the north of Spain and in Spanish Morocco, and Italy in the south of Spain and in the Balearic Islands. Having seized Manchuria, Japan in 1937 invaded North and Central China, occupied Peking, Tientsin and Shanghai and began to oust her foreign competitors from the occupied zone. In the beginning of 1938 Germany seized Austria, and in the autumn of 1938 the Sudeten region of Czechoslovakia. At the end of 1938 Japan seized Canton, and at the beginning of 1939 the Island of Hainan.

<Thus the war, which has stolen so imperceptibly upon the nations, has drawn over five hundred million people into its orbit and has extended its sphere of action over a vast territory, stretching from Tientsin, Shanghai and Canton, through Abyssinia, to Gibraltar.

<After the first imperialist war the victor states, primarily Britain, France and the United States, had set up a new regime in the relations between countries, the post-war regime of peace. The main props of this regime were the Nine-Power Pact in the Far East, and the Versailles Treaty and a number of other treaties in Europe. The League of Nations was set up to regulate relations between countries within the framework of this regime, on the basis of a united front of states, of collective defence of the security of states. However, three aggressive states, and the new imperialist war launched by them, have upset the entire system of this post-war peace regime. Japan tore up the Nine-Power Pact, and Germany and Italy the Versailles Treaty. In order to have their hands free, these three states withdrew from the League of Nations.

<The new imperialist war became a fact.

<It is not so easy in our day to suddenly break loose and plunge straight into war without regard for treaties of any kind or for public opinion. Bourgeois politicians know this very well. So do the fascist rulers. That is why the fascist rulers decided, before plunging into war, to frame public opinion to suit their ends, that is, to mislead it, to deceive it.

<A military bloc of Germany and Italy against the interests of England and France in Europe? Bless us, do you call that a bloc? "We" have no military bloc. All "we" have is an innocuous "Berlin-Rome axis"; that is, just a geometrical equation for an axis. (Laughter.)

<A military bloc of Germany, Italy and Japan against the interests of the United States, Great Britain and France in the Far East? Nothing of the kind. "We" have no military bloc. All "we" have is an innocuous "Berlin-Rome-Tokyo triangle"; that is, a slight penchant for geometry. (General laughter.)

<A war against the interests of England, France, the United States? Nonsense! "We" are waging war on the Comintern, not on these states. If you don't believe it, read the "anti-Comintern pact" concluded between Italy, Germany and Japan.

<That is how Messieurs the aggressors thought of framing public opinion, although it was not hard to see how preposterous this whole clumsy game of camouflage was; for it is ridiculous to look for Comintern "hotbeds" in the deserts of Mongolia, in the mountains of Abyssinia, or in the wilds of Spanish Morocco. (Laughter.)

<But war is inexorable. It cannot be hidden under any guise. For no "axes," "triangles" or "anti-Comintern pacts" can hide the fact that in this period Japan has seized a vast stretch of territory in China, that Italy has seized Abyssinia, that Germany has seized Austria and the Sudeten region, that Germany and Italy together have seized Spain – and all this in defiance of the interests of the non-aggressive states. The war remains a war; the military bloc of aggressors remains a military bloc; and the aggressors remain aggressors.

<It is a distinguishing feature of the new imperialist war that it has not yet become universal, a world war. The war is being waged by aggressor states, who in every way infringe upon the interests of the non-aggressive states, primarily England, France and the U.S.A., while the latter draw back and retreat, making concession after concession to the aggressors.

<Thus we are witnessing an open redivision of the world and spheres of influence at the expense of the non-aggressive states, without the least attempt at resistance, and even with a certain amount of connivance, on the part of the latter.

<Incredible, but true.

<To what are we to attribute this one-sided and strange character of the new imperialist war?

<How is it that the non-aggressive countries, which possess such vast opportunities, have so easily, and without any resistance, abandoned their positions and their obligations to please the aggressors?

<Is it to be attributed to the weakness of the nonaggressive states? Of course not. Combined, the nonaggressive, democratic states are unquestionably stronger than the fascist states, both economically and in the military sense.

<To what then are we to attribute the systematic concessions made by these states to the aggressors?

<It might be attributed, for example, to the fear that a revolution might break out if the non-aggressive states were to go to war and the war were to assume world – wide proportions. The bourgeois politicians know, of course, that the first imperialist world war led to the victory of the revolution in one of the largest countries. They are afraid that the second imperialist world war may also lead to the victory of the revolution in one or several countries.

<But at present this is not the sole or even the chief reason. The chief reason is that the majority of the non-aggressive countries, particularly England and France, have rejected the policy of collective security, the policy of collective resistance to the aggressors, and have taken up a position of nonintervention, a position of "neutrality."

<Formally speaking, the policy of non-intervention might be defined as follows: "Let each country defend itself from the aggressors as it likes and as best it can. That is not our affair. We shall trade both with the aggressors and with their victims." But actually speaking, the policy of non-intervention means conniving at aggression, giving free rein to war, and, consequently, transforming the war into a world war. The policy of non-intervention reveals an eagerness, a desire, not to hinder the aggressors in their nefarious work: not to hinder Japan, say, from embroiling herself in a war with China, or, better still, with the Soviet Union: to allow all the belligerents to sink deeply into the mire of war, to encourage them surreptitiously in this, to allow them to weaken and exhaust one another; and then, when they have become weak enough, to appear on the scene with fresh strength, to appear, of course, "in the interests of peace," and to dictate conditions to the enfeebled belligerents.

<Cheap and easy!

J V Stalin, Report on the Work of the Central Committee to the Eighteenth Congress of the C.P.S.U.(B.) , (Delivered March 10, 1939.) https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/Stalin/18report.htm


File: 1628775286729.jpg (17.45 KB, 288x448, xsian-berry-web.jpg.pagesp….jpg)

I really want to fuck the Green Party leader chick.
Every time I've seen her interviewed, she's just comes off as super charismatic and cool, someone you would want to drink and smoke some green with. Bet she slays in the sack.


dude, this board is full of fucking leftists, I think I'm leaving this website


Greens will split once their lib dem tenancy are revealed in power. Young people voting 'green' rather than for the Greens


well it's a step up from that pedo troon reddit mod that stood last time


The website's name kind of gives it away if you take a close look at it.


More revisionists …


File: 1628776922003.jpg (47.55 KB, 741x741, 0so6x7w6cgi61.jpg)

8/10 in bongland


I like this theory but shouldn't the USSR have don't better against operation barbarossa? Or is the idea that UK/France did much worse than expected


>I like this theory but shouldn't the USSR have don't better against operation barbarossa? Or is the idea that UK/France did much worse than expected
They did do well against Barborossa. The disgusting French surrendered in 6 weeks. Denmark surrendered in an a couple of hours. The Dutch were already rounding up jews before the Nazis arrived

There's not really a way to defend Russia geopolitically(given the huge open steppe on the European border). Russia has always essentially been forced to draw an enemy into Russia then counter-attack it

What happened to Hitler happened to Napolean as well. Except Napolean even took Moscow before the counter attack began

Modern bourgeois historians have recently "discovered" this
<Stephen Kotkin: The German histography of the last 15 years has now confirmed the following: The "failed Soviet Counter offensives" were in someway successful. The things Stalin is blamed for at the beginning of the war. The counter offensives that looked like suicide missions that ended in catastrophe time after time. The German documents now available now shows that this lunatic counter offensives massively degraded the German Werhmacht army fighting capabilities. All the lost battles and encirclements and this lunatic counter-offensive stuff massively degraded the Werhmacht German fighting capabilities and so all of these lost battles and all of these you must be kidding counter-offensives were critical in slowing the German advance but especially degrading its offensive capability even more quickly. Whenever an army moves it loses a great deal of its offensive capability in winning it doesn't have the same offensive capability it had at the start but the Soviets degraded the Germans even more than we understood previously. So what Stalin is blamed for in much of the literature which then gives him credit for learning now - on the German side he's actually being given a kind of grudging credit for the way they fought the war. The consequences for the German army of the failed counter offenses by the Soviet Union were very far-reaching in fact much of the Werhmacht as I said earlier was destroyed in the Soviet Union during the first year of fighting
<the lunacy of Stalin's early war command which was shared by his upper officer corps might actually have been crucial for blunting the germans and ultimately for the soviet victory overall


And even back in the 70s when the (bourgeois) "consensus" was that the Soviets scuppered the beginning of the war they were still forced to admit the following the Soviets undertook the most outstanding campaigns in military history ever

<Military experts have criticized his direct control over and par­ticipation in military matters and have condemned many of his decisions, especially in i941-42. One foreign expert, not notably sympathetic to Stalin as a man, has perhaps given the fairest judg· ment: If he is to bear the blame for the first two years of war, he must be allowed the credit for the amazing successes of 1944, the annus mirabilis, when whole German army groups were virtually obliterated with lightning blows in Belorussia, Galicia, Romania, and the Baltic, in battles fought not in the wintry steppes, but in midsummer in Central Europe. Some of these victories must be reckoned among the most outstanding in the world's military his­tory.4

Iain Grey, Stalin: Man Of History, p.424


Neat, I suppose that also, for the soviets, a tricky fight against Barbarossa with the Allies as allies is much more appealling than a fight against 1939/1940 Germany with no allies at all.


File: 1628798852993-0.jpg (104.73 KB, 1024x647, GettyImages-3246079-e16172….jpg)

File: 1628798852993-1.jpg (249.76 KB, 658x463, shore2-e1587841003105.jpg)

What does /leftybritpol/ think of Peter Shore?

I've been reading a bit about him online and he was certainly an interesting character, his position on the EEC was ahead of its time. He seems more than just your standard Labour moderate of the era. I'm also curious as to the nature of his opposition to Benn and Militant Tendency.


one of the most based, underrated figures in recent British history. that he did not become prime minister is a marker of the fact that we are living in the hell timeline, and that we are living in a timeline where Bennites, Brownites and Blairites still tentatively exist but there is no Shore faction is one demonstration that Labour is a hopeless case, the whole story both tragedy and farce.
calling him a moderate is rather odd, though. he was shadow chancellor to Michael Foot and stood in opposition to EEC membership and was one of the figures most strongly opposed to EEC membership (against which he campaigned with Benn). my recollection is that during the IMF crisis he first put forward an alternative to both Benn's import controls strategy and Callaghan/Healey's preference for the loan, only to then break for Benn's option. (He also advocated for the right to buy council houses, with the crucial proviso the money be used to build more, and was one of the tiny numbers of people in Labour to actually understand economics.) less a moderate, more an independent mind.

have been amused by this quote in the recent context of pro-remain "voted leave for a blue passport" jibes though:
>We don't have to have these passports, do we? Surely we can keep our British ones if we want. … My children and grandchildren forced to abandon the old British passport!
>Remarks to the Cabinet on the new maroon-coloured EEC passports, as recorded in Tony Benn's diary


Thanks for the info, he does seem like a really interesting figure. And that passport quote is great lol
>we are living in a timeline where Bennites, Brownites and Blairites still tentatively exist but there is no Shore faction is one demonstration that Labour is a hopeless case, the whole story both tragedy and farce.
Very true, he is a forgotten figure amongst the party (one which many would prefer to forget unfortunately). Ironically it was Leave.EU which ended up using him to promote Brexit, if only his ideas were represented by some section of Labour. I can only imagine how popular of a platform that would've been in the last few elections.

>less a moderate, more an independent mind

tbh I called him a moderate because I knew he had conflict with the left of the party, had no idea he sided with Benn during the IMF crisis. I do like what you said about him being an independent mind, from what I can tell he genuinely did want the party to succeed on a left wing platform. So calling him a moderate was definitely misjudged.


>>442338 (me)
Forgot to link this, Leave.EU's last tweet of their Brexit campaign. A surprisingly good edit of his iconic speech.


6 Shot dead in Plymouth, including a kid. Possible incel violence.


File: 1628813191011.jpg (189.42 KB, 944x859, 1628806512918.jpg)

Got this pic of the alleged perpetrator from the /pol/ thread on it. There's more shit on there but I felt my brain rotting while on that board so had to stop.


i-is that Corbyn behind him???


the guy is a burger and retards on twitter are saying he's a trump supporter. So it's probably some anti-corbyn quote?

either that or momentum have kicked off the protracted people's war



i’m about to go fuck my therapist meanwhile somewhere in the county an incel kills tons of people


File: 1628814976871.png (824.32 KB, 962x600, ClipboardImage.png)

Dont panic lads it's not Corbyn.


File: 1628815164773-0.png (1.7 MB, 1350x1350, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1628815164774-1.png (317.03 KB, 413x537, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1628815164774-2.png (517.32 KB, 425x738, ClipboardImage.png)

Yeah he's a Trumper.


>Libertarian Party UK
am i sober? this is just getting weirder and weirder wtf

you got any info yet on if the gun he used was illegal?


Nithing from the telegraoh as of yet.


Ban on americans


File: 1628845062856.png (443.46 KB, 780x380, ClipboardImage.png)

Just spent multiple days wondering why the thread was so quiet but turned out I had to refresh because the url changed.

Bizarre shooting though, just going through a cul-de-sac.

Here's his youtube channel



was he a /pol/ poster ?


Channel has been purged


Just saw a big old picture of Elliot Rodger on a newsstory a colleague was reading. Incels going mainstream.

Haven't seen any mention of it yet.


Priti Patel gonna start personally "defeating" the incel problem…


>Missing out on teenage love
Uh oh, that's all the redflag you need.




It's a massive incel redflag. It means the shooting is imminent, or already in progress.


Yeah he is defo an Incel.


the act of missing out on teenage love or constantly moaning about it as an adult?


Chances of the Plymouth affair being a Gladio operation to justify a roundup of all remaining firearms owned by the population?

Well that was the last time the communist movement was really strong. But no, in fact while many live in the past I'm always staying abreast of the current affairs and worldwide medical assault on the working class via the guise of covid.
Since you keep asking, it's basically what the posters have said here. It was a mistake. The current version is a complete joke.


File: 1628865694188.png (522.61 KB, 2145x917, ggrubnx56iv41.png)

>Chances of the Plymouth affair being a Gladio operation to justify a roundup of all remaining firearms owned by the population?
The guy apparently used a pump action shotgun, which is quite difficult to get (assuming it's a section 1 firearm). So the question is, how did someone so obviously deranged manage to convince the police to let him have that kind of gun?
I'm not a schizo but it has been weird so far. Like how his social media was up for a good amount of time, long enough for people to see it and even be linked in this thread. Usually these mass killers socials are nuked within hours.


>how did someone so obviously deranged manage to convince the police to let him have that kind of gun?
Probably was able to hide it well from whoever was doing the inspection, or didn't go down the incel rabbit hole until after he got the shotguns, just a question of when he got them tbh

>Usually these mass killers socials are nuked within hours.

Isn't that usually after said mass killers go on killing, I mean fuck, the uygha's YouTube channel was deleted shortly after >>442858 posted the link to it, same with his facebook presumably

>Chances of the Plymouth affair being a Gladio operation to justify a roundup of all remaining firearms owned by the population?
Doubt it, I mean for one thing the UK has been under tory rule for nearly a decade, if it was a Gladio op, it would've been under a Corbyn government


>Isn't that usually after said mass killers go on killing, I mean fuck, the uygha's YouTube channel was deleted shortly after >>442858 posted the link to it
Still that took longer than usual, >>442858 posted it nearly 12 hours after the shooting. I posted the first pic of the retard ITT last night, that had been up for a while on /pol/ as well.
I'm not saying it was a conspiracy, we should just keep an open mind when watching how the government responds to this.



What happened to Corbyn?

Heard the Jews got him, that true?


The moaning about it as an adult definitely.
I mean statistically very few people's school life resembles an American highschool romcom.
It's even more weird when an adult has a normal relationship currently, but is still obsessed with teen romance.


Yeah you make a good point, especially posting videos about it on youtube.
It's just that I've seen a few takes on Twitter that basically claim all men who are still virgins in their late teens/twenties are future mass shooters or whatnot. Reading those tweets makes me feel like even more of an outcast and bad person. It's a shame that the word "incel" is being used interchangeably for men like this psycho and autists who just have trouble dating.


>It's a shame that the word "incel" is being used interchangeably for men like this psycho and autists who just have trouble dating.

A lot of people on this site also look at the word as the former. Yes "incel" includes these guys but it isn't exclusive. You can have girls who are extreme uggos and are also (possibly as a consequence of growing up fat/ugly) extremely shy and distrustful who are incels as well. The term was initially coined by a woman anyway.


I guess the point I was trying to make is that there should be a separate category or word for men who are dangerous/hateful and those who aren't.


The word incel lost all meaning long ago when it was applied to literally every man that has said anything bad about feminism or women.




How can they strike if no one goes to the shops anymore


Turns out one of the people killed by the shooter was his mother



I use escorts though.




Most murderers have girlfriends or wives. This whole murderer=incel thing is bollocks.


Starmer and the Blairites need to eat fucking SHIT in the next election. The left of the party then need to make their move straight after, but this time be far more savvy and brutal. The right of the party need to be deselected and purged using every trick in the book (half the starmer cunts told voters to vote for Lib Dems which should be instant party expulsion) and party power needs to be pushed more to the membership over the PLP. Also the left really needs to drop the Trans rights obsession and largely just focus on centralised nation building and infrastructure. Nation building can also be presented as patriotic and as a counter to other countries, so has the ability to draw rightoids.
I will actually be volunteering to canvas for the Tories or Lib Dems next election, whoever is closer to beating Labour in my seat, just to see Labour lose this seat. Under no circumstances, can Starmer and the Blairites gain ground, because if they do, it will beused to completely justify locking the left out of the party for good.


File: 1628877710266.jpg (80.91 KB, 474x644, bostonmarathonbomber.jpg)

Yeah, no that liberals can't be racists they've been searching for a new whipping boy and it looks like incels is one of the top candidate.
Pic related, it's the Boston Marathon Bomber that Rolling Stone put on their cover with a very flattering picture.
I guess massacres are only an existential threat when ugly men do them.


Not an Incel, but spent enough time around r9k and black pilled people to really realise they're not even that misogynistic and honestly, a lot of feelings towards modern dating is entirely justified. You would have to be fucking delusional not to think that young men who aren't 6+/10s aren't playing dating on hard mode, when fucking Tinder and Bumble are the main outlet for dating now and are entirely looks based and literally have a bullshit algorithm that fucking scores you on your attractiveness, making it easier for women to match/see you if you're more attractive.
I do my dating through meeting women in smoking areas of pubs, bars and i'm quite good looking, so I don't have the worst time dating, but I know if I was 20 now (i'm in my 30s) I would be blackpilled as fuck by the state of dating. Tinder and Bumble are legitimately fucking evil and actually flat out discriminate against men. (Pay for gold, you'll notice suddenly hundreds of 5+/10 women suddenly appear back in your swipe list and you are suddenly matching a lot more, this is because Tinder won't even show a male profile to 3 quarters of women without Gold, also Tinder gold for men is like 5x the price than for women.)


*now that liberals can't be racists


File: 1628878148037-0.png (820.7 KB, 1717x2048, Screenshot_20210813-174326.png)

File: 1628878148037-1.png (789.87 KB, 1183x2048, Screenshot_20210813-174946.png)

Liberals hostile reaction, refusal to confront reality and denial of any systematic issues will only worsen the issue as well. I'm not saying treat misogynistic, toxic incels with respect and kindness, but as another poster said they are just a fraction of men who can't get laid. Picrel is some examples I found on twitter.

Fucking hell, I didn't realise that online dating was that bad. I guess I'm an incel myself (or more a virgin really), and my self esteem couldn't handle tinder lol.


Online Dating is a fucking nightmare and designed basically to ruin young men's minds so they pay for Gold.
It actually fucking shocks me there is no open source alternative to Tinder yet, it's a fucking quick hot or not image host with location tracker and messenger, surely a open version without the algo manipulation bullshit could be coded in a single fucking day.


>Other cultures that aren't focused on hyper-masculinity

These people surely realise that white, European culture is literally the least masculine, most progressive culture on earth right? What other culture are they focusing on? Asian Confucian "Daddy is always right" or Islam "Women are nothing but cumdumpsters"?


>Incels need to be exposed to other genders

I mean



well that was a depressing read, neoliberalism really is completely fucking up every aspect of our society. I mean as a guy, I feel completely worthless in society and can see how online dating could reinforce that.
And someone should hurry up and make that open source dating app, although would it work when women can just get hotter guys on tinder…

lmao this is so true. These Twitter libs are so unintentionally racist in their view of foreign cultures as a "fun and exotic fight against the evil white man". All without any understanding of countries histories or class analysis.
You can tell they have never travelled to the global south, and if they have it's been in a fucking holiday resort surrounded by fences and armed guards. Like bruh have you seen the FGM rates in some parts of Africa


File: 1628879820397.png (1.01 MB, 1120x822, ClipboardImage.png)

Already won innit.


File: 1628894237913-0.jpg (102.32 KB, 962x642, 46549955.jpg)

File: 1628894237913-1.jpg (99.23 KB, 962x642, 46549997.jpg)

File: 1628894237913-2.jpg (214.54 KB, 634x951, 46413279.jpg)

The rape of Afghanistan: Advancing Taliban go door-to-door and forcibly take girls as young as TWELVE to be sex slave 'wives' for their fighters as they sweep across country following NATO withdrawal



for most practical purposes "incel", like "furry", is something that you either self-identify as, or are clearly in denial about. what a term originally meant is far less important than how it is generally used.
(though it can be fun to note inversions, like how the term "meritocracy" was coined for an imagined dystopia and then embraced when we actually started to fucking build it.)

the second is, in an obnoxiously liberal way, actually quite close to systemic issues.
the internet is the big systemic thing that has given birth to modern inceldom. in a hypothetical world where the only website was tinder so modern dating habits remained intact but everything else was gone, there would be nothing like modern inceldom. (That said, I'm not endorsing their proposed solution.)

then again, for my view inceldom is not primarily a problem of dating: it is one of public perception and public image. that is to say, if the public image presented by movies was that there was nothing wrong with being a virgin, perhaps even that it was respectable and so on, the persecution complex would be far less. rather than being an essential biological need, i submit that inceldom is a problem borne of a society who's propaganda is shitty movies where the nerd who's bullied for playing videogames gets the girl at the end. (as, indeed, is the idea that people engaged in the most profitable hobby on the planet are persecuted.)

I submit this to you for devil's advocacy purposes: These cultures are not hyper masculine, they are merely masculine, or male-dominated. Hypermasculinity is a pathology of late capitalism. An attempt to substitute the loss of any genuine social role with excessive performance of an imagined masculinity, with particular emphasis on violence.
Compare and contrast Reality and Hyperreality.


I have an incel friend, 26 years old, in the exact same position as Jake
He looks like a scruffy caveman version of peter kropotkin, ever since he left secondary school or college he had been living on universal credit and a huge carer's allowance,
No friends except for me. He once went to a prostitute and felt nothing, no pleasure no emotion. He's been sexually abused as a child by some young teenagers and has been into kids ever since. Lost cause?


>into kids


>it was well-known that Jake had suffered from mental health issues for most of his life and he had deteriorated recently and his mum was begging for help from the authorities but nobody did a welfare check.
Sounds like it was well know that he should not have had a gun. It was also taken off him and given back after an assult charge.
Pretty bless of the relative to drawing a line to failings in public services.


>No friends except for me. He once went to a prostitute and felt nothing, no pleasure no emotion
That's because incels dont actually want sex, they want love. Its just by our hypersexualised culture they are equated to be the same thing. They dont want to go to bed with someone, they want to wake up the next morning with someone.


Where is this thread going if there's another split (which I think there already has been)?


Should stay here. Mods are huge faggot kiddos but at least they banned avitarfags.
Other chan explicitly defends avitarfags so avitars being the kind of people they are will only take this as free reign to post their vapid opinions all over the shop. It will be unusable by the end of the month.


File: 1628964100616.png (181.33 KB, 348x279, ClipboardImage.png)



This purge is beyond anything I imagined would happen. They have gone too fucking far. There is no way at all Keir is not a Mossad agent.

We are now living under the Zionist Occupied Labour Party


Welcome to the same hell the burgers live through every day.


>I would rather have incompetent teens that were not even here during the 8ch years running the site than proper adults that have been around since 2015 because the teenagers comply with my childish desires


>>I would rather have incompetent teens that were not even here during the 8ch years running the site than proper adults that have been around since 2015 because the teenagers comply with my childish desires
They started this whole shit fight about their avitarfag matrix friends, they are not adult by any stretch. Fuck 'em.
Stop trying to present these retards as the 'good guys'. Ordinarily i would agree with you about adults, I have been very vocal at least since the split from bunker that having little kids in power is a problem and I'm glad that the rest of you are finally catching up to that but these in power now if they really are adults are very mentally and emotionally stunted. It does not matter how old they are if tey spend all their time online sperging over inconsequential shit and fucking up our chan for the second time in a fuckin year.
There are no good options here, anon.


Alll those times I bullied you burgers for being fat morons.. I’m sorry. I mean it


really have to admire the labour party's dedication to fucking over the labour party


See you in a few weeks lads.
Reckon by the time I get back Britain will be under martial law for the next lockdown and vaxports. Ta ra.



It's just the future for everyone, tbh.


My most antisemitic view is legitimately I think a huge portion and literally all the "leadership" of the Jewish community are acting on purpose disingenuous when it comes to stuff like this.

As someone who actually reads and listens to and watches a lot of internal Hebrew/Jewish media, you can't help but see how openly two faced this whole shit is. As an example would be, Hebrew language media praising how rich British Jews are and their massive influence on the media, then if you are not Jewish, and you said "British Jews are on average the wealthiest demographic in the country, and are overrepresented in the media" they would hunt you fucking down and make sure you're crushed into fucking dust.

Nobody with eyes can look at the IHRA definition, or the CAA's bullshit "antisemitism barometer" and honestly believe that the level of contradicton and conflation of fact with antisemitism and it just so happens to all defend Israel and Zionists, is done by accident.

Example, Claiming Jews have dual loyalty to Israel is antisemitic, yet criticising Israel which is "core to Jewish identity and self determination" is also antisemitic.
So point out Jewish biases, antisemitic, but deny those same biases, antisemitic.

Sure you get the same shit from Turkish nationalists and the Hindu community, but the Jewish community seem to honsetly have "Hasbara" disingeniousness down to a fucking artform.


What I find interesting is how Antisemitism, is one of the lowest-held bigoted views in the country, yet is treated as by far the worst form of racism and is massively over-exaggerated in both the media and politics. When you also factor in that Jews are the wealthiest ethnic group in the country, and mostly live in the most elite area's of London and hold upper class positions, you can't really claim that they are suffering from some major form of "racism" in the UK.
Labour MPs and high level officials have said horrific things about Trans people, Muslims, Black people and other minority groups and don't even get a slap on the wrist. Yet if you say something that even is seen as vaguely criticising something Jewish, the media and establishment will come down on you like a tonne of bricks.
I think there is some "class loyalty" going on here. Jews tend to be very wealthy, connected and PMC, this means those in the media and the professional elite, actually have major sympathy for Jews because of approximation. They can see the Jew as themselves. Also because Antisemitism often manifests as a form of envy of the elite, it makes it extremely easy for the Elite to put themselves in the "Jewish shoe" as so to speak. You see this now with LGB as well, now being LGB is "trendy" among the professional elite, LGB bigotry is seen as extremely abhorrent and gets major media coverage. You are now seeing this with Hindu's as well, as Hindu ethnic group has now started to enter the elite in terms of wealth.
Actual Marginalised ethnic and minority groups that are actually very seriously stigmatised and structually disadvantaged, are still though extremely shit upon and their issues ignored or extremely downplayed by the media and elite. Labour won't expel you for being Islamophobic, or Transphobic, because they won't get any blowback for being Islamophobic or Transphobic, but attack any of the media's "chosen ones" in terms of elite minority groups, Hindu, Jewish or LGB and I suspect you will be kicked out of the party within the week.




What are you opinions on the song National Express by Neil Hannon?


The great britpol thread has been split. What should we do? (The other board has brocialist poster so in ways it could be a benefit )


I've got a 14 week ban from the other site, so I may be bias in saying that here is best. It's significantly less autistic and the mods aren't children. Either way, we can't have two /leftybritpol/s, so we need to decide.






What for


File: 1629214662543.jpg (51.47 KB, 612x621, 1629214618403.jpg)

In my headcanon, most of leftybritpol was captured by taliban


bullying pennyfag and posting a link to this site




What do you mean by cycled?


Both perfectly acceptable things. That's rough.


Yeah it does piss me off a bit. I've seen holocaust deniers get 3 day bans, yet I got 14 weeks for calling a manchild some mean words and posting a link that got wordfiltered anyway.


Honestly the being so insecure as to wordfilter the 'enemy' site is very sad all around, let alone the banning someone for mentoring it.




As in repeating the same actions that would have been viable in the past despite being in a different location.


>The left is not electable
>Spend literally every moment of 2015-2019 sabotaging the left in the most obscene ways possible to make sure they don't win an election. Even with the "most vicious media attack dog campaign unparellelled in modern British political history" according to one study on Corbyn leading up to 2017, Labour came within like 2000 votes of winning the election.

Seriously, are Blarities and "Centrists" the single most disingenious fucks in all of politics?


what the fuck is this place, was there another stupid split? I've been away

Unique IPs: 64

[Return][Go to top] [Catalog] | [Home][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[ overboard / sfw / alt / cytube] [ leftypol / b / WRK / hobby / tech / edu / ga / ent / 777 / posad / i / a / R9K / dead ] [ meta ]