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Ethical consumption? Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 22:36:48 No.442165

It has been said often that there is no ethical consumption under Capitalism. This being said, there seem to be quite a lot of boycotts regardless. Are we to interpret each and all of these boycotts as being futile attempts to reconcile a lack of ethical consumption under Capitalism? Is there reason to participate in boycotts if all consumption under Capitalism is unethical anyway?

Is all consumption equally unethical?
Is there any meaningful difference between purchasing items like clothing or computers brand new vs. used?

I guess these are novice questions. I hope these aren't considered gauche.

Based Egoposter !!4vHQBgW5aM 2021-08-12 (Thu) 22:37:38 No.442168

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>ethics

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 22:39:25 No.442176

>>442165
Also, if there is no ethical consumption under Capitalism, then should boycotts, sanctions, and divestment from Israel be seen not in ethical terms but in terms of anti-imperialist collective action with the intent to destabilize their economy?

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 22:41:16 No.442180

>>442176
Assuming it ever actually worked.

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 22:41:28 No.442181

>>442168
Ethics is like saying moral but adding a ^2 to it.

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 22:43:24 No.442184

I won’t shame anyone for boycotting a product they can afford not to buy but are morally opposed to. However, even in large numbers this type of individual action against companies isn’t useful praxis, because they can just choose to market it to other consumers or do some different productive trickery so that it’s technically not a product of the boycotted country.

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 23:07:42 No.442266

>>442168
Based. Unironically this /thread and OP is a massive faggot

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 23:25:57 No.442319

>>442266
I am OP. I hope I did not come off as a troll with these posts. I merely ask these questions because I am seeking an alternative to liberalism. I recently started to absorb materialist analysis and I realized how starved I was for it. Unfortunately I am used to seeing things framed in a liberal aspect and have to unlearn quite a lot.

>>442184
Voting with one's wallet definitely does not work, I have grown to recognize this, but how do boycotts of entire countries or regimes fit into this? For example, had there not been an effective boycott against Apartheid South Africa?

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 23:27:52 No.442323

>>442319
I’ll need to look more into that, but there likely was some less liberal-friendly form of action taken in concert with or just around the same time as the boycott. Diversity of Tactics is a word that you need to remember

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 23:29:42 No.442327

>>442168
/thread

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 23:35:24 No.442332

>>442165
>Is all consumption equally unethical?
no.
but also if you boycott a business then people lose jobs so in capitalism everyone suffers whatever you do, but i guess we already knew that. there's no "good" consumption, lets begin and end there. the rest is up to you.

Anonymous 2021-08-12 (Thu) 23:49:58 No.442349

>>442319

Following a industrial boom after the second world war, South African began to have the potential to emerge as a geopolitical (and economic, secondarily) to the traditional imperial powers,

The apartheid regime acted as a causus belli for them (the traditional imperial powers) to impose sanctions.

A comrade from SA summarized it to me as follows: There is a partial transition from settler-colonialism to neo-colonialism, wherein segments of the old apartheid upper class along with the emerging black bourgeoisie and petty bourgeoisie are integrating into a semi- comprador structure.

Some evidence of this is all that weapons grade uranium that was produced that was not put into a nuclear weapons program. In fact, even civilian nuclear power production in SA has remain stagnant.

The same can be said for the structure of the economy: It remains highly dependent on mining and does not even significantly mass produce mining equipment.

Anonymous 2021-08-13 (Fri) 00:06:48 No.442372

>>442349
Is the material evolution of SA halted?

Anonymous 2021-08-14 (Sat) 14:09:50 No.445044

The "no ethical consumption" meme can be used to justify child sex trafficking. Its nihilism. On the other hand there are a lot of false ideas about ethical consumption is. Is it more ethical to shop at your local bookstore and support your local community? Or is that less ethical than helping to bring the end of capitalism quicker by shopping at amazon all the time?

Anonymous 2021-08-14 (Sat) 14:24:50 No.445065

>>442168
fpbp

Anonymous 2021-08-14 (Sat) 14:40:18 No.445076

>>445044
>The "no ethical consumption" meme can be used to justify child sex trafficking.
Not really, people aren't consumable commodities.

Anonymous 2021-08-17 (Tue) 00:39:07 No.446959

>>442372

From what I understood yes: Its in a Brazil style situation.

Anonymous 2021-08-17 (Tue) 09:25:11 No.447149

If workers form a picket line outside their shop

is it ethical consumption not to break that picket line and go into the shop to buy something?

Anonymous 2022-12-04 (Sun) 21:15:36 No.461745

bump

Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 02:01:21 No.461750

>>442168
>t. brainlet burger

Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 02:12:35 No.461752

>>447149
>muh ethics
Incredibly useless framework for this question.

Breaking a picket line wouldn't be solidarity, which is a shit move most of the time since it weakens every other worker action little by little - particularly if I'm screwing them over to buy something like an iphone or some other useless junk.

And do note I said most of the time, because in a hypothetical scenario of the picketers withholding food or water from their fellow proles instead of redistributing it, then they're gonna get it (and that's a good thing!)

Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 21:17:20 No.461763

>>442165
There are people trying to do ethical capitalism, like faire-trade coffee or fair-phone, but those will not fix capitalism. That said it's harm reduction, don't poo poo harm reduction, harm reduction is good. If you can please support it.

Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 21:31:32 No.461764

>>447149
why would you go into a shop whose employees are on strike lol
how would you buy something you retard

Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 23:14:07 No.461768

>>461763
Are "fair-phones" loaded with trackers and either Apple or Google trash? If not, then I want one.

Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 23:23:51 No.461769

>>461763
>ethical capitalism, like faire-trade coffee or fair-phone
<Fairphone is a Dutch electronics manufacturer that designs and produces smartphones with the goal of having a lower environmental footprint and better social impact than is common in the industry. In particular, the company aims to minimize the use of conflict minerals in its devices, maintain fair labor conditions for its workforce and suppliers, and allow users to maintain their own devices.
>its suppliers
how does this even works lol?

Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 23:27:05 No.461770

>>461763
>fair-phone
<In order to receive a code for unlocking the bootloader of your Fairphone 3 or Fairphone 4, you need to fill in its IMEI and the serial number.
lol. LMAO
get the fuck out of here

I honestly find it immensely amusing that the only phone that lets you to simply unlock bootloader without all this bullshit is google pixel lol
also the only phone supported by GOS

Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 23:44:22 No.461771

>>461770
What about the line phone and stuff?

Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 00:02:17 No.461772

>>461768
I don't know about their preinstalled operating system
But you can unlock the bootloader of the Fair-phone 4 and install a ROM on it, that should allow you to install an OS without trackers
https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/4405858258961-FP4-Manage-the-bootloader

>>461769
I don't know, i guess they made contracts that stipulated good working conditions for their suppliers. They'd have to send inspectors to make sure there is compliance.

>>461770
You can unlock the fairphone, although it involves more steps than for desktop computers.
Google has more leverage over electronics suppliers they can get exactly the hardware they specify, small companies like fair-phone probably have to use mostly off the shelf components.

Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 00:03:19 No.461773

>>461771
>line phone
you mean pinephone?
I dunno, I guess it doesn't have a locked bootloader as it runs linux

tho secure boot is one of the best security features of the smartphones
but I appreciate what pine does for linux phone development

Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 00:05:36 No.461774

>>461773
>inb4 Android is linux too
ok, GNU+Linux lol

Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 00:11:59 No.461775

>>461772
>I don't know, i guess they made contracts that stipulated good working conditions for their suppliers. They'd have to send inspectors to make sure there is compliance.
do you seriously think they send inspectors to china and taiwan?
also, it's not just immediate inputs, they would need to inspect the whole supply chain down to the African lithium mines and russian gas suppliers lol

>Google has more leverage over electronics suppliers they can get exactly the hardware they specify, small companies like fair-phone probably have to use mostly off the shelf components.
how is this relevant to them requiring my identifying information to unlock a bootloader?
Google doesn't ask me for no IMEI or serial

Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 00:55:40 No.461776

>>461775
>do you seriously think they send inspectors to china and taiwan?
>they would need to inspect the whole supply chain
Here read it for your self
https://www.fairphone.com/en/impact/good-working-conditions/
I don't really know what all of that means, but i think they outsourced inspections.
My guess is mixed results, parts of the workers do get better conditions but it's not 100%

>>461775
>how is this relevant to them requiring my identifying information to unlock a bootloader?
I guess that sucks but, isn't this how most android phones are unlocked ? This probably came with the soc, i doubt they intentionally chose to make a convoluted boot-loader unlocking parkour.
The pixel phone has a dedicated security chip ( i think it's called Titan) that handles boot security, as far as i know google designed that chip, and therefore they can have custom functionality. Small companies can't yet design their own chips, maybe with RISK5 that will be easier.

Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 02:12:34 No.461779

>>461776
>This probably came with the soc, i doubt they intentionally chose to make a convoluted boot-loader unlocking parkour.
so what, this soc that handles boot security is shipped with an unique code by the manufacturer to unlock this particular bootloader?

why haven't these databases been leaked then yet?

Anonymous 2022-12-10 (Sat) 14:32:08 No.461942

Is it ethical for America to import 5 million people a year and raise them up to western levels of consumption? How is t h at good for the planet? Even if you don't believe in global warming it seems wrong, but as democrats we are forced to destroy the planet if we want to replace the white people with people of color.

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