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 No.453543

Lifestylism is a major problem in the American Left. It encourages purity spirals and alienates tentative supporters. Shitting and pissing because a leftist is economically successful feeds into the liberal argument that socialists are all just loser burnouts bitter at the world. Stop it.
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 No.453552

actually very true
you are very wise snailcat
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 No.453553

But there is some truth to lifestylism though. People who are successful tend to lose their radical edge because they get comfortable with their situation and tend to favor reforms, rather than giving up their privilege.
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 No.453554

I fucking hate anarchists so much
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 No.453555

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 No.453556

>>453543
>Lifestylism is a major problem
yes it can be, but not in the way you think, for example when rich people buy an electric car and think that solves climate change.
> It encourages purity spirals and alienates tentative supporters.
at the moment identity politics is alienating supporters from the cause,
Neoliberalism has a tendency to filter out decent people, the system puts scumbags at a considerable advantage when it comes to gaining wealth, so it's actually not a bad strategy to be very suspicious of people that have lots of money.
>leftist economically successful.
there are rare exceptions like Friedrich Engels, but in general wealthy people get wealthy because they pursue their own class interests, not the class interests of workers.
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 No.453558

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>>453554
roo haha roo haha
Go marxist lenists go marxists leninist
roo haha roo haha

That's what you sound like, a faggot.
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 No.453561

>>453553
>>453556

You are doing exactly what I'm talking about in the OP. You are prone to automatically reject leftists that achieve wealth or power in our existing society. Newsflash, you need material wealth and power to assert your will onto society and the world at large.

You're engaging in self-terminating behavior: The moment a movement to enact Leftist change starts to gain authority, you become skeptical and unsupportive of it, leading to it collapsing and achieving nothing of note.
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 No.453562

>>453561
Well power doesn't simply come from hierarchical control of capital alone. Power can come from and should ideally come from the bottom up but you are still right. There's no reason to turn down a millionaire who ants to donate to the CPUSA for example. That's counter productive.
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 No.453563

>>453560
>>453561
>You are prone to automatically reject leftists that achieve wealth or power in our existing society.
You are being unrealistic, only a few people are principled enough to act against their own class interests. You have to be extra cautious when somebody claims to do that.
>you need material wealth and power to assert your will onto society and the world at large.
Sure but why do you have to become a capitalist for that ? Will the system even let individual capitalists dismantle capitalism ?
I don't believe that it's possible to use private wealth to change the world, i do notice that there are a lot of ideological messages that say this, but that's a trick, to get you to grind without a reward.
People on the left aren't motivated by dangling a chance at riches in front of them, so you invent stories of changing the world with private fortunes.
If there is no collective wealth pile to contribute to, there isn't much of an incentive to accumulate wealth. And of course that collective wealth pile would need protections that it can never again be privatized
>You're engaging in self-terminating behavior: The moment a movement to enact Leftist change starts to gain authority, you become skeptical and unsupportive of it.
I don't see how I'm doing that ? Unless you equate "a movement" with "a rich person".
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 No.453571

>>453553
Of course it's an anarchist flag simping lifestylism
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 No.455573

>>453543
>and alienates tentative supporters
Supporters do not mean shit leftists who actually read theory will always be small in number.
>feeds into the liberal argument that socialists are all just loser burnouts bitter at the world
Why should socialists care about liberals think? I am waiting for the revolution not trying to build a movement or reform shit.
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 No.455574

>>455573
*about what
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 No.455580

>>453553
Bookchin was right.
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 No.455582

more ethical is better
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 No.455583

but not as good as full ethical (or close to full)
sometimes full is not required because the difference is small
like using taxi/uber instead of owning car

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