/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>455938
>Do you support Rojava, or do you think Syria should take back north Syria?
Yes, do you think Rojava was because of NATO imperialism, and not due to centuries of oppression by Turkey and Syria?
>Do you support Catalonian independence, or do you agree with the Spanish government crackdown?
Again, what imperialist program does the independence of Catalonia serve? Why do tankies keep pretending that no one can see that this is primarily, read that word again, PRIMARILY Russian imperialist expansion. Doesn't mean there aren't other motivations, or that everyone is a Putinbot, but the seizure of Dombas and Crimea and the current invasion are PRIMARILY that of Russian imperialist ambitions.

>>455939
The Night Wolves have direct access to Putin. They operate at the highest level of the government, control criminal rackets throughout all of Russia. And even have a multitude of corporations running anything from security to selling t-shirts.
Which fucking Ukrainian Nazi unit has anything approaching that kind of power.

>>455939
>>Russia has a communist party in the Duma, Ukraine has banned the Communist party
Niqqa, Putin was literally sent by the CIA to help Yelsin stay in power and keep Communists out of that office. LMAO.

>>455938
Oh I'm sorry, which countries did Rojava and Catalonia invade exactly?
>>455939
They didn't ban Russian, they just made Ukrainian the offical language. This is all after Crimea and Dombass, Russia has been covertly infiltrating and fostering descent for their imperial ambitions. But you all wanna cry about Ukraine doing the smallest things to defend itself.
All while crying about NATO aggression that never happened.

>>455944
>This is all after Crimea and Dombass, Russia has been covertly infiltrating and fostering descent for their imperial ambitions.
Elaborate so we can laugh at you.

>>455940
>the horrific violence is completely 100% justified with zero immorality.
>zero immorality
why is it always about morals to you libs? that's where the misunderstanding is coming from, you have an idealist view of the world, whereas the people you're arguing against have a materialist view.
>>455941
>do you think Rojava was because of NATO imperialism, and not due to centuries of oppression by Turkey and Syria?
do you think LPR and DPR were because of Russian imperialism, and not due to years of oppression by Ukraine?
>the seizure of Dombas and Crimea and the current invasion are PRIMARILY that of Russian imperialist ambitions.
that "primarily" is doing a lot of work.

You also didn't comment on Kosovo? Too uncomfortable? You're being disingenuous, you focus on one thing you can respond (MUH NIGHT WOLVES!!!) ignoring everything else.
>>455942
Svoboda party is A PART OF the government. Let me know when the Night Wolves get a representative in the Duma. AZOV is a part of the Ukrainian military, let me know when the Night Wolves get their own battalion.
>>455943
>Niqqa, Putin was literally sent by the CIA to help Yelsin stay in power and keep Communists out of that office. LMAO.
So why don't you like Putin again? After all, he kept the evil Soviets out of power? You apparently hate the Soviets more than Nazis.
>>455944
>I'm sorry, which countries did Rojava and Catalonia invade exactly?
Which countries did LPR and DPR invade?
>They didn't ban Russian, they just made Ukrainian the offical language.
LOL!!!
>they didn't ban Russian, they said you have to speak only Ukrainian
They banned Russian from being taught in schools and instruction being in Russian. Ukrainians speak a mix of Russian and Ukrainian, in the east they speak Russian. They wanted to cleanse Russian out of Ukraine. I bet you think what China is doing to Uyghurs is "genocide", but when Ukraine wants to erase a language spoken by millions in their own country, that's perfectly fine.
>This is all after Crimea and Dombass,
HOLY SHIT. You don't even know the order in which events happened. Your knowledge of this conflict comes from liberal media alone, no wonder you have no idea what's happening.
>Yanukovich suggests new elections
>Nazis say no and do Euromaidan
>New government comes to power, picked by Victoria Nuland and the US State Department
>New government bans Russian, makes instruction in Russian illegal
>Russians in the East protest
>Ukrainian oligarchs form private militaries, recruiting neo-nazis from ranks of ultras and football hooligans
>Neo-Nazis sent to the East to quell protests
>Russia reads the writing on the wall, takes Crimea (which is 90% Russian btew and had a referendum on joining Russia) before the Neo-Nazis are a stone throw away from Russia
>Neo-Nazis start killing Russians because they are better armed
>Russians of LDPR defend themselves
>AZOV, et al. push Russians all the way to the last 1/3 of LDPR claimed territory, continuously shelling civilians
>this goes on for 8 years
>Minsk II gets signed, with help of Germany and France
>Zelenskyy goes to Donbas, demands to be taken seriously "I'm a 40yo man!!", gets laughed at by the Nazis and is sent packing to Kiev
>Ukraine neo-nazis don't respect the ceasefire, begin an artillery campaign, hitting nearly 200 targets in Donbas days before Russian invasion
>Russia invades and starts liberating Donbas from the Nazis
>while crying about NATO aggression that never happened.
I posted a picture of NATO expansion after fall of Soviet Union. In the laat 20 years NATO has bombed Serbia, invaded Afganistan and destroyed Libya. How can Russia feel safe with NATO at its border?
>>455945
I'll elaborate for him… khm

PUTIN HAS NIGHT WOLVES ON SPEED DIAL!!! NIGHT WOLVES NIGHT WOLVES NIGHT WOLVES. Night Wolves are a biker gang that wears BLACK and the Russian flag. This means they are super fascist and way worse than the Ukrainians who openly say they are fighting for the Fourth Reich. NIGHT WOLVES NIGHT WOLVES NIGHT WOLVES

heh destroyed… nothing personnel kid

>>455942
>Which fucking Ukrainian Nazi unit has anything approaching that kind of power.
The ones which can threaten to kill the president of their country on multiple occasions and make him do what they say.

Why are leftists on here so focused on killing Nazis in a country they don't even border, instead of you know, theory, or capitalist relations?

>>455946
Your timeline is still incomplete. During Maidan coup there was a Nazi massacre of Yanukovych sympathizers in the Kiev Trade Unions Building, and then not long after that another massacre of a bus of pro-government protestors returning to their homes in Crimea. This sparked enough outrage to begin the Crimean referendum on rejoining Russia. In spite of attempts to delegitimize the referendum before it was even held–including the OSCE rejecting invitations to observe it–it still had dozens of international observer groups and exit polls demonstrated no significant fraud in the resulting overwhelming support for rejoining Russia.

Anyone who would have you believe that Crimea "belonged" to Ukraine, and that Russia simply took it away from them is a spooked nationalist with zero respect for the self-determination of the people who actually fucking live here.

>>455949
the people who actually fucking live there*

Just a typo, not a Freudian slip.

>>455946
>why is it always about morals to you libs? that's where the misunderstanding is coming from, you have an idealist view of the world, whereas the people you're arguing against have a materialist view.
Tankies are the one's that scream about Nazis anytime anyone criticizes their war.
So it's really just a response to the moralizing they're doing.
>do you think LPR and DPR were because of Russian imperialism,
YES
>and not due to years of oppression by Ukraine?
LMAO, what oppression. Shelling insurgents egged on by Russia?
>You also didn't comment on Kosovo? Too uncomfortable? You're being disingenuous, you focus on one thing you can respond (MUH NIGHT WOLVES!!!) ignoring everything else.
No, I just don't know enough on it to comment on it authoritatively.
>Svoboda party is A PART OF the government.
Yes I know, Ukraine has sinned. Doesn't make the invasion justified.
>Let me know when the Night Wolves get a representative in the Duma.
Lol, oh okay, I guess since you think there's no sitting oligarchs in the Duma they don't have influence on the Russian gov either.
>So why don't you like Putin again?
Because he illegally invaded another country killing thousands. Is that really so hard to understand?
>After all, he kept the evil Soviets out of power?
So why do you lick his boots? Serious question.
>You apparently hate the Soviets more than Nazis.
I'm against all imperialism. And the Russia=/=Soviet Union, tankies keep implying this out of sheer cope.
>Which countries did LPR and DPR invade?
They worked with an invader. And they are not independent under Russia kek, they're getting thrown into this meat grinder and they ain't happy about it.
>They banned Russian from being taught in schools and instruction being in Russian.
Yes, that's not the same as banning the language outright. And this is after a long history of Russification, two insurgencies that lead to territorial loses and an impeding invasion that we are now living though.
>HOLY SHIT. You don't even know the order in which events happened.
Oh STFU, it was all during an attempted Russian takeover of yet more Ukrainian land.
The bottom line is that Ukraine already suffered two imperialist incursions by Russia. And Russia was using covert means to undermine the Ukrainian gov and foment dissent. That aggression is why Ukraine did what it did, not because of some imaginary pogrom that exists only in your tankie head.
This Russian invasion has taken more lives than Ukrainian Nazis ever could hope to. STFU you bloodthirsty little imperialist. You are a coward, only talk tough online, and are about to get your comeuppance in this war.

>>455946
>I posted a picture of NATO expansion after fall of Soviet Union. In the laat 20 years NATO has bombed Serbia, invaded Afganistan and destroyed Libya. How can Russia feel safe with NATO at its border?
Niqqa expansion =/= invasion and hot war.
Also none of you tankies give a fuck about NATO expansion
BECAUSE THIS WAR CAUSED NATO TO EXPAND
And more quickly than it ever could have done before.
After this war NATO will be right Russia's border and everyone who's not will be clamoring to get in.
Putin and you dumbass tankies are the best fucking allies that NATO could ever have. You delivered to NATO in 4 months what the most rabid neocon couldn't do in 30 years.
CONGRADU-FUCKING-LATIONS
kek

>>455949
>Anyone who would have you believe that Crimea "belonged" to Ukraine, and that Russia simply took it away from them is a spooked nationalist with zero respect for the self-determination of the people who actually fucking live here.
LMAO, no one wants to join the broke ass Russian Federation. It's a hilarious lie on it's face.

>>455946
>>Yanukovich suggests new elections
Yeah because lost an actual democratic election.
>Nazis say no and do Euromaidan
LMAO, yes millions of Ukrainian's were "Nazis".
Ukraine wanted to join the EU, but Putin used his puppet to block the will of the people.
The idea that Ukraine would want to wallow in poverty under the Russian Federation like Belarus instead of joining one of the riches economic blocking in the world is laughable.

>>455954
*instead of joining one of the richest economic blocks in the world is laughable.

>>455946
>>Nazis say no and do Euromaidan
Preach anon
JUST LOOK AT ALL THESE NAZIS EVERYONE!

Wew this thread suddenly got a ton of activity in past few days after being slow for months. Especially after tank flag zoomer lolcow started spamming his wall-of-text Putin simp rants.

My theory is that the HIMARS which Ukraine started using in past weeks have blown away tons of Russian ammo depots in occupied Ukraine and proven effective as a strategic game changer. When I started reading those reports and seeing the videos of Russian ammo depots up in flames I asked myself: "I wonder how much putinoid/Z-fag/tankie seethe the HIMARS are causing?" And, well, I guess now I have my answer.

A question to the anon who mixes posting anime fanservice with ripping tankie sophists a new asshole: Are you good at making memes?

I was wondering if someone can make a meme where on right side is crying cope wojak wearing Russia military uniform with Russian flag in foreground with destroyed, flaming Russian ammo depot on background of right side and caption that says: "Nooo…you can't just use NATO HIMARS! + *insert wall of text, mental gymnastics cope about 'why Russia is supposed justified to invade Ukraine for 'le security' and 'le hohols' and stuff*. While on left side of meme is wojak with the huge teeth scary grin on his face wearing a Ukraine uniform with Ukraine flag in foreground, with HIMARS in background of left side, and caption on left side that says concisely: "I am defending my country" + "HIMARS go Boom!"

Just counted. This thread was made February 23rd and as of my post now has 546 replies. Out of those 546 replies, 219 of those replies were made in just the 9 days since around July 27th. And Ukraine started using HIMARS in battle against Russian invasion around early or mid July iirc. Hmm…

>>455958
What are you implying that a hoard of Ukrainian bots are are spreading propoganda about Ukraine.

>>455960
Ukraine HIMARS destroying Russian ammo depots and z-fag/tankie seethe can be graphed as a linear relation. Hence the sudden flurry of activity in this thread in past week. Much of it z-fag/tankie seethe

>>455956
Thanks for posting that image, I have taken the liberty and circled some of the Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

It seems that about 10% of the people there are Nazis. This corresponds to what Yevgen Haras of C14 had said about Nazi influence in Maidan.
>vid related

"When people tell you who they are, believe them."

>>455957
>Nooo…you can't just use NATO HIMARS!
says the crying liberal. all your news rags are awash with articles how it's unfair Russia is pounding Ukrainians with artillery.

HIMARS is good, Ukraine has 10 of them. How many MLRS does Russia have? You've been brainwashed by Marvel movies and think that a Deus Ex Machina will come in the last moment and turn things around. Hitler had Steiner, Ukraine has HIMARS.
>>455959
>it's all about the oil
Russia has 5th largest proven reserves of oil and is called "the gas station of Europe for a reason". Ukraine is 51st by proven reserves lol.
>>455962
Actually, I came to visit leftychan after a while and I couldn't believe that liberal lies were accepted as fact here. The only lolcows are you stupid liberals who actually believe your media tells you.

Russia just took two more villages on the south of Kramatorsk-Sloviansk and one village to the north. When is Ukraine going to stop the Russian advance? When is the Kherson counteroffensive coming? "1 million strong army!!" oh wait that was another coping lie. lol

>z-tards are still here
They really are like flies on this shit.

>>455965
You're both stupid. Anti war is the only correct position

>>455967
>Anti war is the only correct position
The only correct position is not caring about these wars. I don't care about anti-war shit, the only cause I'm for first and foremost is the destruction of capitalism, not peace, or justice.

>>455968
>The only correct position is not caring about these wars.
then why are you posting in the thread about the war?

>>455965
>z-tard
That's Mr. Zigga to you, white bwoy.

>>455873
<Ukraine's war propaganda in one picture
Lol that's savage

>>455969
Your virtue signaling has been documented.

>>455953
No arguments, all you can do is laugh nervously and attempt to deny reality.

>>455976
Notice how libs just have to allude to "common sense" or say it is ridiculous and that's enough of an argument for them. It's because they know their ideology is the dominant one, anything else is laughable. That's why when Russia liberates Donbas they'll say Russia lost the war because they didn't kill all Ukrainians lol.

>>455964
>Russia has 5th largest proven reserves of oil and is called "the gas station of Europe for a reason".
Yes but if Ukraine can develop it's oil reserves the EU will break free of their reliance on Russian petro.
>Ukraine is 51st by proven reserves lol.
STAGGERINGLY BUTT-FUCKING WRONG
>Excluding Russia’s gas reserves in Asia, Ukraine today holds the second biggest known gas reserves in Europe. As of late 2019, known Ukrainian reserves amounted to 1.09 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, second only to Norway’s known resources of 1.53 trillion cubic meters. Yet, these enormous reserves of energy remain largely untapped. Today, Ukraine has a low annual reserve usage rate of about 2 percent. Moreover, more active exploration may yield previously undiscovered gas fields, which would further increase the overall volume of Ukraine’s deposits.
https://hir.harvard.edu/ukraine-energy-reserves/

>>455978
>lib still doesn't understand the difference between proven and unproven oil reserves
does your memory get wiped every night or something?

>>455978
you posted literally the same thing here >>455807 and you were btfo'd. look up what "proven oil reserves are". if Ukrainians are incapable of extracting the oil, and apparently they are because what the fuck have they been doing for the past eight years??

oh that's right, too busy ethnically cleansing Russians and having a nationalist "Ukranisation" campaign to appease the Nazis.

>>455963
>Some Putin shill says 10% of Euromadien protestors were Nazis
>Zero proof, or even explanation as to how he came to that number.
Point is is that there was very wide support the Ukraine joining the EU, it was not some astroturfed coup by NATO, Nazis, or whoever else you pull out of your ass to blame.
And having Nazis show up at a rally, does not make it a Nazi rally lol.

>>455963
>NATO is using Ukraine to hurt Russia.
Yes, and it is very based.
>>455979
>you posted literally the same thing here >>455807 and you were btfo'd.
How the fuck did I get btfo'd. I said Ukraine has shit tons of oil, which they do. You said they had barely any at all.
>if Ukrainians are incapable of extracting the oil, and apparently they are because what the fuck have they been doing for the past eight years??
Getting BTFO'd by Russia.
>oh that's right, too busy ethnically cleansing Russians and having a nationalist "Ukranisation" campaign to appease the Nazis.
Whoa a genocide you say? Surely you have proof of such at huge horrific event protip you don't

>>455981
>Putin shill
You didn't even watch it. Are you scared?

Yevgen Haras is the leader of C14 (S14 to you Anglos), the paramilitary arm of the Svoboda party.
>S14, also known as C14 or Sich[1] (Ukrainian: Січ, romanized: С14), was a neo-Nazi,[2][3][4] Ukrainian nationalist group founded in 2010.[5] In 2018, it gained notoriety for its involvement in violent attacks on Romani camps.[6][7][8] S14 stated that it is only involved in removing illegal Romani camps using "compelling legitimate arguments".[9] In 2020, the group disbanded and was succeeded by the new organisation "Foundation for the Future".[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S14_(Ukrainian_group)

You poor, ignorant fool.

>>455982
>Whoa a genocide you say?
No, I said ethnic cleansing. lrn2read

>>455983
These attacks are heinous, but come nowhere close to a fucking genocide or ethnic cleansing.
Can you please look up what those word mean in the dictionary you dumbfuck tankie.

>>455982
> I said Ukraine has shit tons of oil, which they do. You said they had barely any at all.
PROVEN reserves

No point talking to you, you're functionally illiterate.

>>455986
Dude whatever, take your stupid ass pedantic win a GTFO. My point is that if Ukraine joins the EU it means the end of Russia's monopoly on Eurozone gas. That's why it's fighting in Ukraine.
You're just quibbling over semantics when you clearly fucking meant to imply that Ukraine has no oil and therefore it could not be a motivation for the invasion.

>>455987
This isn't about points or "winning", it's about breaking your programming.
>My point is that if Ukraine joins the EU
Your ignorance is showing. Countries don't just join the EU like it's the fucking library. Countries require a complete rehaul of their laws and regulations so they are compatible with EU. Good luck with Ukronazis accepting gay marriage. The country must also not be engaged in a conflict or have any border disputes. Not to mention cracking down on corruption. Ukraine could hope to join in 20 years, maybe. It usually takes a country 7-10 years to join the EU, and that's when they are already mostly compatible, they spend 7 years ironing out details. And you think Ukraine can join just like that? You live in a fantasy world, maybe Dumbledore can say a nice word to Ursula on behalf of Zelensky.

>>455988
>Your ignorance is showing. Countries don't just join the EU like it's the fucking library.
You dipshit, they were taking the first steps in joining the EU in 2014. That's why it was stopped by Putin's puppet Yanukovich.
Here's a recounting of what actually happened in 2014. And how close Ukraine was to starting their integration in to the EU.

>In November 2013, Yanukovych was due to travel to Vilinius, Lithuania, for a summit with the EU where he was widely expected to sign an agreement that would have set out a framework for Ukraine’s relationship with the European bloc, including preferential terms of trade. The agreement would have set Ukraine on a clear path for eventual EU membership. (emphasis mine)

>But the agreement and Ukraine’s move closer to Europe angered Putin, who engaged in a campaign of economic pressure against Ukraine: cutting off energy supplies to the country and blocking almost all imports from Ukraine. This resulted in a 25% reduction in Ukrainian exports and pushed the country’s economy into recession. The Kremlin publicly threatened to drive Ukraine into default on its sovereign debt if it went ahead with the EU trade deal.

>On Nov. 21, Yanukovych succumbed to this pressure and suddenly reversed course, saying he would not sign the EU alignment agreement, although he still favored eventual Ukrainian membership in the EU. Instead, he would accept a package of Russian financial assistance to meet the country’s debt obligations.

https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/viktor-yanukovych-yanukovich-putin-put-back-in-power-ukraine-russia/

>Countries require a complete rehaul of their laws and regulations so they are compatible with EU. Good luck with Ukronazis accepting gay marriage.
Then why did put so much pressure on Yanukovich to stop the EU agreement if it was so impossible to get done kek.

>>455989
>eventual EU membership
eventual
>adjective
>attributive
>-Occurring or existing at the end of or as a result of a process or period of time.
>'it's impossible to predict the eventual outcome of the competition’
Yes, 20 years is "eventual".

>>455989
>Putin's puppet Yanukovich
You might as well just don a wolfsangel already. Your perception of reality is so distorted as to be clownlike.

>>455991
Okay he's more he's more of a cuck. A distinction without a difference.

Hard to tell who is the shitposter here.

>>455991
The funny thing about that was that Yanukovich first negotiated with the IMF before he asked the Russian federation for an offer. The IMF made brutal austerity demands for investment, while the Russian offer for investment was a better deal without the requirement to axe social services,labor legislation and selling off state owned enterprises.

The neo-liberals are still pushing that austerity agenda btw:
https://multipolarista.com/2022/07/28/west-neoliberal-recovery-conference/