/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

TL;DR

there's like only 5 users max, who are we subverting?

>>455509
wow you sure convinced me, I hate leftism now.

Pure .orge projection.

>>455509
If you buy into capitalist ideology then the things you say may seem true.

But from an objective point of view.
You have no reason to believe that people who disagree with you on ideological grounds are mentally ill or cultists.
Objectively Capitalists societies are not healthy, like you can measure the bad health effects, even the most ardent defenders of capitalists agree on that, it's just that they look to blame it on something other than capitalism.

Every society sofar sought to influence how people think, capitalism is no different. However capitalism is the only system that tries to make people believe they are free-thinkers while being manipulated to an unprecedented degree. Communist systems in the past had at times very strict controls on information, for example during war-time, but even then people knew they were being propagandized. Capitalism has put the minds of people into prisons and managed to make the mental prison bars and walls invisible. It's quite an achievement, but only a very cynical person would say that this is the realization of freedom of thought.

>A society which operates under your principles and rule will inevitable collapse
I think this is projection, capitalism isn't doing well at the moment and a lot of people have system collapse anxiety.

>There is no hope in leftist or any other politics which attempts to subvert the raw, tribal society.
You basically said that socialists are more civilized. I think we can take that as a complement, even if it wasn't intended as one.

>>455513

That's what I was thinking at first.
>>455511
I know right? lol.

>>455509
>subvert healthy societies
Capitalist societies are not healthy they are killing the planet and always lead to world wars over resources and markets. This is a slow anonymous imageboard with a few disconnected users and some tourists only when major world events happen. Thanks for the traffic you stupid rat.

Communist parties get shit done, you're just mad.

>There is no hope in leftist or any other politics which attempts to subvert the raw, tribal society.
Which is why tribal society is still the dominant form of society worldwide and not next to dead

>the raw tribal society

Does op think he is a tribal survivalist living off the land forging for berries and killing a tiger with a speer forced from a stick and a rock he spent 27 days sharpening by hand or something?

>>455996
Forged*

>There is no hope in leftist or any other politics which attempts to subvert the raw, tribal society
This is true to an extent, capitalism isn't natural at all, but politics, ideology, cannot do anything to get the masses to destroy the capitalist system. If capitalism and ownership is to be destroyed, it won't be caused by us.

>>455509
That's only true for Stalinism.

>>455998
It literally has to be caused by us. We are the makers of our own history. We created capitalism and all other modes of production historically and only we can take them away. That isn't really how it works.

>>456000
"we" after reading that naive, false, idealistic slop I can tell we would not be in the same group and I wouldn't want to make contact with you ever.

>>456000
>It literally has to be caused by us
Okay Kek, just for example the Russian revolution only succeeded the way it did because the Germans sent Lenin as an asset to destabilize Russia. If the Germans didn't see any gain from Lenin as one of their cards on deck, he would have never made it to Russia.

"muh workers consciousness" lol.

>>456000
Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please.

>>456007
Good quote.

>>456002
Yeah so what? What does that have to do with the working people rising up and freeing themselves from.their chains?

>>456011
I should have added more, yes. Lenin is often quoted or looked up to by pro-revolutionarys, the situation was entirely out of his hand, the German empire used him as a tool to weaken Tsarist Russia. Had the Germans not employed Lenin, he would have just been another anti-tsarist pro-revolutionary in permanent exile. The destruction of capitalism, the revolution, was most probable or maybe possible in the aftermath of WW1, a situation entirely out of the hands of the working class.

>>456012
Not really, capitalism, though its own internal contradictions usually brings about a crisis in one way or the other. You are thinking in terms of nations and borders but the global industrial proletarian are the only ones who can truly organize and achieve a world free from the exploitative labor of capital. There were plenty more things kicking off at the time around the world including in the united states outside of russia. The real major issue with the modern era is taht industrial labor is all but killed and now they are trying to kill it more by raming through the USCMA trade agreement which is basically the TTP 2.0. But, no, you are wrong or you don't really seem to understand; Of course history is out of lenins hands. It's out of everyones hands. We do not MAKE history it is only up to us as a class of people to grab hold of it and take control of it for ourselves.

>>456014
>Not really, capitalism, though its own internal contradictions usually brings about a crisis in one way or the other
WW1 was the biggest crisis of the global capitalist system.
>You are thinking in terms of nations and borders but the global industrial proletarian are the only ones who can truly organize and achieve a world free from the exploitative labor of capital
They can't and wont organize unless a major crisis in the capitalist system forces them to in their own self-intrest, the proletariat aren't noble knights, they're selfish and look out for their best interest, and who's to say they actually progress but not go backwards anyway?
>There were plenty more things kicking off at the time around the world including in the united states outside of russia
That's why I mentioned WW1 and not just Lenin.
>The real major issue with the modern era is that industrial labor is all but killed and now they are trying to kill it more by raming through the USCMA trade agreement which is basically the TTP 2.0
Industrial labor is all but killed in the west, imperial core, it still exists in southern asia and what Brazil? That problem is kinda our fault, western corporations weren't willing to pay industrial workers higher wages, the capitalists all went to look for cheap labour.
>But, no, you are wrong or you don't really seem to understand; Of course history is out of lenins hands. It's out of everyones hands. We do not MAKE history it is only up to us as a class of people to grab hold of it and take control of it for ourselves.
Our class isn't untied at all, and it won't ever be, the ultimate proof of this is that we all essentially agree on the same things, but the radical left has always been infighting, there is no consciousness, in the same way all the various religious sects in the world are the final disproof for the universal message of The Word of God.