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 No.460241[Last 50 Posts]

Magacommunist haz fags I can understand at least they have a plan. There's debate on the board about who is right in the current moment to vote for (if any) in US politics but I don't understand how people see things through the exact same lense as socialists in the Soviet union. This is the modern world with its own set of historical and economic obstacles. Right now we are facing a left that is basically all but dead. Is voting for Dems or Republicans optimal? Absolutely not but supporting these parties for better or worse is a way to get our m savage to people that might otherwise still believe capitalistic propoganda about communism and socialism.

Being involved in these politics is an important part of building a socialistic base for future generations to grow off of. Stomping your feet on the ground and crying becat the current situation isn't favorable to a developed socialist organization taking the reigns is not only selfish but dare I say ultra lefitst.
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 No.460242

Weak bait
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 No.460251

>>460242
It's not bait. You only prove my point by the only argument you can present being some petty contrived personal attack.
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 No.460255

All the "left" does is waste its time debating what policies the capitalist state should adopt, which bourgeois politicians they should support, and which side they should take on wars between imperialists and fascists.
This alone is proof that the left is still dead, that the "left" is really just the right.
We lost, OP. It's going to take a long time and a lot of horrific tragedies until we can regain what we lost.
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 No.460256

>>460255
Still weak
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 No.460259

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>>460255
No, you have it backwards. the left constantly spends time sequestering itself off in book clubs and elitist circle jerks like leftypol.org and not enough time trying to build actual organizations with class focused anti-capitalist issues or doing this but larping like they think they are heading the black panther party in the 1960s or some shit; like malcom x for anyone to take them seriously.

So people like me who would support these issues find themselves with no other way out but to vote for the dems because the left is to inept in the modern era for working people to actually take them seriously.

We have no one to blame but ourselves.
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 No.460262

>>460259
Weak
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 No.460263

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>>460262
Yes
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 No.460281

>>460241
The left has been dead as fuck in the US for decades, that doesn't mean I'm going to start sucking off the GOP or DNC.
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 No.460300

>>460281
>>460262
>>460259
>>460255
>>460242

Lol, the 'left' is so demoralized that all they can do is cry about losing while shitting on anyone with an original idea
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 No.460314

>>460281
Doing what we can (organizing to the best of our abilities while simultaneously trying to shift the playing feild in our favor) is not "sucking off", anyone. It's called strategy.
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 No.460317

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>>460300
>leftychan represents the entire left
Shut the fuck up you reactionary /pol/cuck. That's like saying all the blackpilled diaper shitting esoteric Nazis on fbi.goc represents the right.
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 No.460318

>>460317
Kek
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 No.460344

>>460317
Fags mad
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 No.460379

>>460259
Every major "leftist" forum has the exact same bullshit going on:
>here's why we NEED to vote for [right-wing social democrat] in [election]
>bros, is [quasi-fascist] actually based? they support [list of bonapartist policies]
>fellow leftyNEETs, should we support a universal basic income?
>if you don't support state mandated transgender bathrooms, you are a fascist
>well ackshually [US intervention in dirt poor country] is good for the left
>critical support for [reactionary west asian politician] against US imperialism
Okay, so maybe you recognize this for what it really is and look elsewhere for your left politics. Fair enough. But I actually have more respect for those who stay the fuck inside their theory groups and secret clubs. Why? Because the worst thing to do is selfishly act without thinking like the "left" has done for the past half a century. Pseudo-activity is the greatest contemporary threat to our movement, and decently intelligent leftists have recognized this. Unfortunately, they are consequently stuck in a state of passivity.
What we need right now is not action, but a viable political strategy and a coherent model of a socialist society. The problem with these tiny leftist secret clubs isn't that they spend too much time thinking over acting. In truth, they don't even think, they just do nothing in the guise of debate and discussion. Though I prefer it to the typical "leftist" conversation shown above, obviously neither are particularly desirable.
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 No.460381

>>460379
>What we need right now is not action, but a viable political strategy and a coherent model of a socialist society
Where do these come from if not practice, trial and error, etc?
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 No.460383

>>460381
>Where do these come from if not practice, trial and error, etc?
You're right to some extent, but we already have a rich history of trial and error. The task we are burdened with now is to analyze it properly. We lack a decent explanation of the failures of the 20th century communists. It's plainly obvious to us that the practice of the contemporary "left" is a disaster, but that's the case precisely because of the absence of analysis.
Marxism is the critical self-consciousness of the socialist movement. What we need is that consciousness.
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 No.460388

>>460381
Because the biggest limiter on socialism, outside of people just hating its tenets, is "there is no way to implement it". They see it as unrealistic and childish.
You're not going to gather a support base on 2022 for socialism without a coherent and easily explained plan. There have been enough fuck ups in efforts to achieve it that you're already on the back foot. And answering, "how is your society even going to work", and "how do you intend to achieve this", with Trial And Error, isn't cutting it.
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 No.460389

>>460388
So, Marxist communist utopia doesn't work.
>Based
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 No.460390

>>460379
that was exactly my point but you fags have your blinders on so hard you fail to actually see and grasp and understand that. The point of voting for these shitty parties we disdain is to use that moment to start building a larger socialist base. You can't just generate pissed off people with nothing to loose but their chains out of thin air.
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 No.460393

>>460389
It can work, but its not something that you can just 'wing'.
Liberalism took centuries of being subverted for it to take hold, and it was less hostile to the previous societal construction than Marxism is today.
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 No.460397

>>460388
You don't implement socialism any more than the British bourgeoisie implemented capitalism when the Long Parliament beheaded Charles I. The beginnings of socialism will start to appear as capitalism dies. You can already see it in the push for rent control which is necessitated by the value of the means of subsistence refusing to fall, the failure of the Military Industrial Complex as the most sophisticated militaries become increasingly incapable of projecting power, and the collapse of logistics chains due to their interconnectivity making every disruption catastrophic. Problems like those necessitate solutions that are not based in capital. That's where socialism will come from, not some party that wins over the people.
>>460390
>The point of voting for these shitty parties we disdain is to use that moment to start building a larger socialist base.
What an utterly ridiculous point. There is no coherent chain of causality there whatsoever.
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 No.460399

>>460390
>The point of voting for these shitty parties we disdain is to use that moment to start building a larger socialist base.
The exact opposite is true.
The only way to build a socialist base is to break with all bourgeois parties and create and independent movement.
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 No.460400

>>460399
That's fine too but until that exists we have to do everything we can to hold on to the gains we've made in the last 150 years which have been being eroded since FDR. I don't even disagree but there's no reason why we can't reach out to these people and try to convert them to our side. Both Republicans and Democrats. That's were the momentum is currently. You can't just magic a party into existence you have to appeal to people and reach out to them.
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 No.460401

https://popularresistance.org/from-the-bottom-up-the-case-for-an-independent-left-party/
Still as relevant an essay as ever. Shame its author was smeared by liberal wreckers in 2020.
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 No.460407

>>460400
If your idea of "reaching out to people" and "holding onto the gains we made" involves voting for and actively siding with a bourgeois party then you can count me out. This "strategy" of tailing the center-left wing of capital will always lead to failure.
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 No.460410

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>>460407
Bitch stop being so idealistic.
Fuck your ethics. Do what will work. You haven't said one reason why this strategy doesn't WORK. You just complain that it isn't "pure" enough for your faggot ideology.
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 No.460412

>>460410
Some people are allergic to success
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 No.460435

>>460410
Comrade, the strategy won't work because it's the exact strategy that American communists have employed for nearly a century now.
The truly idealistic position is to act as if continuing to tail bourgeois parties will lead to success. It won't.
There is nothing "pure" about my position. To the contrary, I am open to compromise, that's a necessity in politics. But without a strong socialist movement, compromise is replaced with submission.
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 No.460449

>>460435
>But without a strong socialist movement, compromise is replaced with submission.
As Al Capone once said, you can do more with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word.
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 No.460473

>Magacommunist haz fags I can understand at least they have a plan.
Stopped reading right there. #Magacommunism is just liberal bootlicking to the most reactionary party ever.
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 No.460477

>>460473
Shut up fag
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 No.460478

>>460473
>Tfw you want worker's solidarity and power but settle for hormone blockers and CRT instead
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 No.460495

>>460478
You're not interested in solidarity, and you have no power.
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 No.460502

>>460478
>Fascists are workers.
They are animals.
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 No.460508

>>460502
You're a worm
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 No.460509

>>460478
Failed capitalists have no solidarity with us.
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 No.460513

>>460509
>Allergic to success and addicted to feeling right
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 No.460514

>>460513
MAGA types are hostile to capitalism in any way because they're currently on the bottom. If they get any kind of affluence or gain any kind of economic strength, they'll act as bad as the Old Guard did or worse.
They're not leftists, they're anti-elite because they want to be the capitalist elite.
Same with cryptobros. They oppose the banking system because they want to be the bankers. They're not allies in any long term sense.
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 No.460515

>>460514
>Only pure souls like me can build socialism
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 No.460516

>>460515
Only people that have an interest in socialism can build socialism.
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 No.460517

>>460516
>If I succeed Mao or Lenin, things would have worked out
Alternatively, tfw doesn't understand histmat
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 No.460518

>>460517
The USSR generally tried its best with what it had.
China has been more mixed, but its at least tried to set itself as following Leninist ideas.
Neither were perfect, but both have given at least some effort towards and have genuine ideological belief in Marxism.

Thats far more than MAGA.
Which is made up of failed small business owners and wannabe executive aspirants that only criticize those at the top because they aren't a part of them. And because they happen to be cultural liberals today, rather than the cultural conservatives of yester-year.
There's literally no interest in socialism. Most are actively hostile to all of its tenets. They don't want to 'share the wealth'. They don't want worker ownership. They don't want any part of socialism or communism or Marxism in general.
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 No.460519

>>460518
>I have a pure soul and accurately surmise everyone's flawed intentions and the implications of their actions
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 No.460520

>>460519
You know you can just talk to these people.
They will clearly tell you that they hate Marxists and socialism.
You aren't going to 'trick' them into supporting it. They're fundamentally ideologically opposed to socialism.

Not all anti-elite ideologies are marxist/lead to socialism.
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 No.460523

>>460520
If I perceived socialism as the tyrannical rule of limp wristed faggots who've never accomplished anything through their own efforts, I'd hate the notion too. Perhaps these people just don't like you.
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 No.460524

>>460523
They don't like the idea of disseminated worker ownership.
Of mass unionization.
Of welfare for the poor.
Of public healthcare.
Of significant industrial regulation.
None of it.

Literally just go on /pol/ and talk about any of those ideas and count how many times they call you a uyghur or kike for it.
Go on Voat. Truth Social. Gab. Pick your place.
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 No.460525

>>460524
>'disseminated worker ownership'
which socialist country had that?
>Mass unionization
Probably because they don't see it as advancing there lives relative to the cost
>Welfare
'someone else should pay for me to live.'
>Public healthcare
'have you considered kys' is the new official policy in Canada
>Industrial regulation
Bureacracy and red tape

Again, perhaps if you would learn to frame things in a way that appeals to people (instead of being a know it all limp wristed faggot), you might get somewhere. I guess studying something like marketing is asking a lot from you though
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 No.460526

>>460524
Pretty sure all those 'reactionaries' supported the Canadian Trucker strike while fags like you and Fatass Rebel News were calling them fascist. Geez, I wonder why they're disinclined to listen to you ..
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 No.460527

>>460525
Congrats on showing how they completely oppose every part of socialism.
Now, riddle me how you're going to sell them on it, while acknowledging they hate every fundamental aspect of the ideology or its implementation in the real world.

Give me some examples that you've seen succeed in any substantial way.
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 No.460528

>>460520
Most people in the US have no real idea what socialism is anyways.
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 No.460529

>>460527
>Muh implementation in the real world
>Tfw never left your western shithole country and visited a place like China, Vietnam, Laos, or Cuba. They're all literally a connected flight away.

<Stopping billionaires from stealing democracy through monopolies and bribes
<Labor laws that protect people's dignity and freedom
<UBI or youth study stipends
<Preventative health are through expanded public recreation facilities and stricker controls on harmful industrial and agricultural chemicals
<'You deserve to be able to breathe clean air and not have your water polluted'

You really are an npc with no original thought or imagination. Literally, read a good book on marketing instead of yet another shallow iteration of the Manifesto/retarded leftoid utopic ideal.
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 No.460531

>>460527
>Give me some examples that you've seen succeed in any substantial way.

If no one wants what you're selling, you've either got a shitty product or bad marketing. I'm guessing in your case, it's both: a dumb utopia fantasy and bad marketing around it.

All those things I listed would have a majority of people agreeing with. UBI would be the toughest sell, simply because it requires a bit of additional explanation and smarter people would naturally care to understand what strings might be attached.
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 No.460533

>>460529
I mean, marx was right but also who you are replying to is deff a retard.
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 No.460534

>>460529
Yeah, MAGA is known for their love of China and Cuba. Vietnam is only ever brought up because it opposes China and makes for a useful bludgeon against it.

<Stopping billionaires from stealing democracy through monopolies and bribes
Okay, that works. But they don't follow it at all towards a socialist end.
Because they all dream of one day being a capitalist that can implement their ideology on the world.
<Labor laws that protect people's dignity and freedom
Sorry, thats uncompetitive regulation and the free market is better at determining labor standards. If you don't want a job, don't apply there.
<UBI or youth study stipends
>why should I pay for shitskins to pump out 15 'urban youths' and never work?
<Preventative health are through expanded public recreation facilities and stricker controls on harmful industrial and agricultural chemicals
>why should I pay for the healthcare of obese retards?
<'You deserve to be able to breathe clean air and not have your water polluted'
Can work, but you have to do it via appeals to hunting land and their potential to one day purchase their 100 acres in the woods to play king of the mountain.

You're really ignorant of how these people actually think.
Its like you have some idea in your head that they're just in the edge of being socialists. Just need to be convinced to make that final step. When simply that isn't true. They hate socialism. They hate its collectivist tenets. They hate every aspect of it.
You talk about needing good marketing skills. Part of that is understanding who you're marketing towards. You fundamentally misunderstand your target demographic.
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 No.460535

>>460533
Marx said a lot. It's hard to imagine anyone is write about everything. Which part, exactly? Cheerleading the American annexation of northern Mexico?
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 No.460536

>>460531
A majority of people aren't MAGA.
They're a smaller and smaller hysterical minority that is religiously devoted to their ideology that is categorically opposed to any kind of leftism.
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 No.460537

>>460534
Yah bud. I'm not even going to read that beyond the first sentence.

Travel more. Read about marketing
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 No.460538

>>460534
Why does some one have to follow something to an end we desire in order for us to use them to our advantage? You are assuming that everything we do must result in the desired end but it doesn't have to. It just has to help us achive or get to that point. Which is why you say not vooting is the right thing to do except it's retarded to just let our adversaries run all over the place and take away the rights we DO have. This could only come from a person who does not himself work for a living.
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 No.460539

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>>460535
Marx didn't say that was right so much as he pointed out that the colonization of the americas was part of a historical and material progression towards capitalism as the next stage of historical development; EG: The primitive accumulation of capital. Marx also applauded Lincoln for his support in freeing the slaves.

Marx was right about nearly everything he wrote about revolving around economics and history and politics.
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 No.460540

>>460538
Because they get a say in what the 'end' is themselves.
They're not some forceless mass that you can 'use' and then get rid of. They're ideologues and have strong convictions of how to build a society that are antithetical to yours.
And will constantly work to oppose any ideas that you have. Make crass appeals towards class, in the way of Tucker Carlson, while driving those that follow them towards ends that are anti-socialist.
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 No.460541

>>460539
Really. Where's the communism?
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 No.460542

>>460537
You should read more because for all your talk of marketing and playing to the audience its like you've never actually had a conversation with a MAGA follower.
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 No.460543

>>460542
Granted, I don't have the extrasensory perception which allows me to accurately surmise everyone's tainted intentions nor the confidence to assume I know the 'implications' of everything..
But I can reasonably assume that you're a child without a fully developed frontal lope.
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 No.460544

>>460541
>Why hasn't communism just magically become a thing

Boomer moment.
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 No.460545

>>460543
Feel free to post some examples of your success in selling socialism to /pol/.
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 No.460546

>>460544
Wait a minute. You're the one that said Marx was right about history. Marx assumed that socialism would outmoded capitalism, and that the socialist state would wither away leading to communism.

This never happened…

He also equated socialism with some fantastical workers ownership over the means of production. This was about as true in the USSR and PRC as it's true that Americans have democratic control over their government.

Sorry if pointing out discrepancies in Marx's writing and reality as it played out since is a 'boomer moment.'
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 No.460547

>>460541
Same place liberalism was during the fall of the Hanseatic League, subversion of the Dutch Republic, or the collapse of the English Revolution.
Or post-Napoleon.
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 No.460548

>>460545
Your definition of socialism is just a fantasy in your head though. Socialism in practice in the real world is very different.

Like I said, bad product or bad marketing. Most Americans, including conservatives, already agree to a large extent with what I outlined earlier.
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 No.460549

>>460548
What even is your argument?
That socialism doesn't work so you have to sell it better to MAGA that hates socialism and all of its disparate building blocks?
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 No.460550

>>460547
Sounds more like a millenarian religion tbh
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 No.460551

>>460549
I mean, if you put it like that, sure.

Your notion of socialism is a fantasy of someone with limited experience in the real world (by this, I mean you've probably spent a much larger proportion of your life sheltered and provided for by your parents compared to being independent and taking care of yourself) and people are naturally skeptical of something which obviously wouldn't work in practice.

Hell, try selling your imaginary 'socialism' to state officials of socialist countries. They'd smile and just wait for you to stop bothering them, then continue doing what they're doing.
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 No.460552

>>460551
My notion of socialism is something developed through life experience.
When I was a child or teenager I was foolish enough to be a liberal. And the believe in capitalism's utility.
Which part of 'my idea of socialism' do you think is fantastical in specific?
The worker ownership part? Some other part?

Further, what delusion are you still hanging on to that MAGA followers are at all amenable to whatever idea of socialism that even someone like you holds?
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 No.460553

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>>460546
This is such a salty poltard boomer; You guys have your blinders on which hinders your ability to read things you disagree with. Marx never said communism was an inevitability. Marx said that the industrial prolotariate was at a particularly unique cross roads in history and should take control of the means of production out of their own will and self interest and establish a communist mode of production.
Marx was not being fatalistic you are just dumb and being salty becauwse you are upset that we're actually correct and you are just a chinlet.
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 No.460554

>>460552
So, just to be clear, a larger majority of your life has been one of dependence on your parents, and you've never visited or better yet lived in a socialist country?

I'm not going to repeat myself. Read what I've already written.
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 No.460555

>>460554
Holy fuck granpa how did you find out website?
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 No.460556

>>460553
Quite a long crossroads of history. Going on 175 years since the Manifesto was published and at this point, an 'industrial proletariat' barely exists in Europe and the US.
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 No.460557

>>460554
No, most of my life by percentage has been spent working.
I'm not some 22 year old here.

Answer my post. You've spent most of this thread refusing to put forwards any actual beliefs of your own or even the slightest demonstration that there's any effectiveness to them.
Put up or shut up here. Show the effectiveness of your MAGAcommunism and how effective it is to talk them into it.
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 No.460558

>>460557
Ya, that's the funny thing.
I've never said anything about MAGACommunism. That's a belief you keep ascribing to me…. Lol
Maybe your psychic ability to understand people's intentions is wearing out.
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 No.460559

>>460556
Well yeah, like I said, it was not a prophecy. Your Alzheimers' is acting up again old man.
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 No.460560

>>460558
That has been the basis of the entire reply chain you retard.
>>460478
This post. One in support of MAGAcommunism.
I assumed that if you were going to intrude on a reply chain that you'd be clear about it.
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 No.460561

>>460559
Sure, Marx wasn't a prophet nor a fatalist. But even socialism, as originally practiced (state centered command economy) was hardly rosy. And more important, it gave way to liberalization and 'indirect management ' of the market economy through policy.
Thus, Marx's picture of socialism as a sort of worker-ruled republic never came to fruition. That said, depending on how you read Marx, it could also lend itself to a sort of corporatism or Italian style fascism of 'nothing outside the state '
Either way, I try not to assume I know more about how a Marxist socialist country ought to be ran than those Marxists who actually run socialist countries today.
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 No.460562

>>460560
Don't mistake me shitting on your stale liberal flunkyism as a full endorsement of MAGACommunism.

I appreciate the creativity, original thinking, and attempts to reach people where they're at that Haz and Co seem to be exploring, but I'm not one of them.
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 No.460563

>>460561
Marxists that clearly talk about how their nations are transitionary with regards to achieving socialism and who lay out plans to renationalize and redistribute profits once certain development benchmarks are met?
Liberalism's evolution doesn't mean that socialism is no long relevant. As most of the evolution has been at best surface deep.
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 No.460567

>>460563
Lool. Ya, and america is a democracy.

I really implore you to spend some time in these countries. There's no plan to return to a command economy for the production of basic items. Having a few nationalized industries as a benchmark of socialism is like saying America is socialist simply because Amtrak exists.

Theyre socialist in name and usually* do a better job of checking the most egregious abuses of capital against workers, especially relative to other countries with a similar level of development in the MoP. But they aren't playing 72 dimensions chess and secretly have the same goals/values as the Maoist YXZ partylet of Austin Texas. Stop listening to retarded pathological liars like Luna Oi.
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 No.460574

>>460567
If they didn't have any actual marxist inclinations they wouldn't bother with the taglines.
Liberals say we live in the best world possible already. They talk about improving things sure, but they wish to make everyone believe we live in the best societies.
And before them monarchists were the same.
Acting like foreign marxists are just pretending to be so and pretending to have intentions to drive society towards real socialism misses that. If they weren't socialists they could say that they'd already reached the best state possible and avoid any associated pressures.
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 No.460576

>>460574
Sounds like MAGACommunism is legit since they say they want to improve America
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 No.460577

>>460561
You're right, but, most people in 2022 are some variation of syndicalism, tbf. It's just not that relevant anymore in any sense but his critique of capital. Hell I take an extremely cynical view anyways. I think we are doomed but I keep trying anyway.
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 No.460578

>>460576
Except that MAGA clearly and explicitly tell you that they hate socialism and marxism.
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 No.460579

>>460578
>>460523
>>460525
We've gone full circle with this already
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 No.460580

>>460576
>Wanting to improve American imperialism is legit.
Can you Haztards just join Trump's party already.
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 No.460587

>>460580
Bargaining comes before depression and finally acceptance
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 No.460599

>>460587
You guys just got wiped out in the mid terms. WTF are you on about. Are you going to just keep coping for eternity?
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 No.460619

>>460567
America is a democracy. Just a really shitty one.
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 No.460620

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>>460599
They have been since 2016.
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 No.460622

>>460574
This is objectively untrue though. Liberalism as an economic system of capitalism yeah there's no voting that away but Dems are literally running on labor platforms currently, lmao. you fags are such delusional retards.
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 No.460626

>>460622
>Liberalism as an economic system of capitalism
No, it's not. It's a governmental system, and it is currently the most stable governmental system that is built on top of the capitalist economy.
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 No.460630

>>460626
Liberalism is also neo liberalism you faggot as in the modern economic system. It's multifaceted. What is your point?
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 No.460668

>>460630
Still no. "Neoliberalism" is just a philosophical justification for global capitalism. It is not an economic system; the economic system is still just the reality of global capitalism.
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 No.460669

>>460668
>>460668
This is idealistic bullshit you pulled right out of your ass.
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 No.460672

>>460669
Distinguishing between ideology and the material reality that underpins it is the exact opposite of idealism, you basic bitch.
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 No.460676

>>460672
Retard the economy is material reality. You stupid stupid faggot
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 No.460677

>>460539
And this is why Marx's adherence to Modernity is retarded.
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 No.460704

>>460676
You can't be this dense.
<"Neoliberalism" is just a philosophical justification for global capitalism. It is not an economic system; the economic system is still just the reality of global capitalism.
>>460677
Because maodernity makes a person right about economics, politics, and history?
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 No.460707

>>460704
>Because maodernity makes a person right about economics, politics, and history?
Hahahaha you wish!
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 No.460716

>>460707
You wish it wasn't true.
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 No.460738

>>460716
Modernism is retarded, it's been deboonked over and over again. Capitalism should have collapsed about 10 times over by now according to Marx, and yet here we still are.

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