/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>460280
>election
lel

>>460280
The US is the imperial center (the EU used to be in that club as well, but since the sanctions suicide run they no longer count as 1st-world).
The bourgeoisie in the imperial core can suppress labor-power because even if the proletariat went on strike, and stop generating surplus, the imperial bourgeoisie can uphold it's class dictatorship with the surplus they get from the workers in the periphery.

That's why the US bourgeoisie appears to be so powerful and almost invulnerable to class struggle, and why you feel so "blackpilled".
But the empire is eroding away (like all empires eventually do), and that means, in time, the US bourgeoisie will eventually loose it's ability to suppress the US proletariat. And the US left will be strong again.

>>460297
I've never in my life heard more disempowering bullshit.

You guys are are like incels who are telling yourself that one day your crush's bf will piss her off enough to send her crying into your arms.

>>460301
Why do you say this dis-empowering ?
Do you think it's wrong ?

>>460297
>The US is the imperial center
This Leninist bullshit needs to die already. Imperialism itself has been dead since 1947. Capitalism is global just like Marx predicted it would become. It doesn't need a geographical center to force itself on the rest of the world. There is already no escaping it, just as every Leninist project has discovered. All that can be done is to hasten its contradictions along to their inevitable conclusion.

>>460304
Because it's entirely passive

Funny how you didn't argue the incel part. Lol

>>460305
Agree with some of this. The notion of the vanguard is important to retain though. Too many self affirmed 'rrrrrevolutionaries' are spectators or navel gazers and nothing more.

>>460307
The Leninists are a lot of things, but nothing about their shit is passive. You, on the other hand, are a do-nothing bitch who thinks that Twitter is the real world and can't conceive of doing anything more that rocking the vote for a major party.

If it makes you feel any better I'm the same way. I think most people in the country support labor rights and could be swayed further left economically; Hers my experience. I was a union steward for the UFCW. Before I showed up there was a union participation rate of around 50% by the time I left we had 80% of our work force organized into the union.

Now, getting people to actually turn out to the meetings was a different story. But with hard work and persistence you can organize people. Right now we find ourselvess rebuilding the remains of a dead socialist movement in the United States but if we cannot get our demands in this life at least we can put in the work for future generations.

>>460301
It's just being realistic. If you think the left is one second away from overthrowing the USG you're delusional

This letter always gives me hope in times of doubt though:
"Dear Comrades,

It is our usual habit to exaggerate both our strengths and our weaknesses. During revolutionary periods, it seems that the least of our actions has incalculably great consequences. On the other hand, during times of stagnation, even though we have dedicated ourselves completely to the cause, our lives seem barren and useless. We may even feel swept away by the winds of reaction.

What then should we do to maintain our intellectual vigor, our moral energy, and our faith in the good fight?

You come to me hoping to draw on my long experiences of people and things. So as an old man I give you the following advice.

Do not quarrel or deal in personalities. Listen to opposing arguments after you have presented your own. Learn how to remain silent and reflect. Do not try to get the better in an argument at the expense of your own sincerity.

Study with discretion and perseverance. Great enthusiasm and dedication to the point of risking one’s life are not the only ways of serving a cause. It is easier to sacrifice one’s life than to make one’s whole life an education for others. The conscious revolutionary is not only a person of feeling, but also one of reason, for whom every effort to promote justice and solidarity rests on precise knowledge and on a comprehensive understanding of history, sociology, and biology. Such a person can incorporate his personal ideas into the larger context of the human sciences, and can brave the struggle, sustained by the immense power he gains through his broad knowledge.

Avoid specialization. Side neither with nations nor with parties. Be neither Russians, Poles nor Slavs. Rather, be men who hunger for truth, free from any thoughts of particular interests, and from speculative ideas concerning the Chinese, Africans or Europeans. The patriot always ends up hating the foreigner, and loses the sense of justice that once kindled his enthusiasm.

Away with all bosses, leaders, and those apostles of language who turn words into Sacred Scripture. Avoid idolatry and value the words even of your closest friend or the wisest professor only for the truth that you find in them. If, having listened, you have some doubts, turn inward toward your own mind and re-examine the matter before making a final judgement.

So you should reject every authority, but also commit yourself to a deep respect for all sincere convictions. Live your own life, but also allow others the complete freedom to live theirs.

If you throw yourself into the fray to sacrifice yourself defending the humiliated and downtrodden, that is a very good thing, my companions. Face death nobly. If you prefer to take on slow and patient work on behalf of a better future, that is an even better thing. Make it the goal of every instant of a generous life. But if you choose to remain poor among the poor, in complete solidarity with those who suffer, may your life shine forth as a beneficent light, a perfect example, a fruitful lesson for all!

Greetings, comrades.

Elisée Reclus."

>>460305
>This Leninist bullshit needs to die already.
This is just sectarianism as a deflection, of course the imperial bourgeoisie is concentrated in the US.
>Imperialism itself has been dead since 1947
After WW2 The US empire took the place of the British empire.
How is that controversial?
> It doesn't need a geographical center to force itself on the rest of the world.
Imperial capitalism uses the US's military might to force it self on the world.
>There is already no escaping it, just as every Leninist project has discovered.
There still are socialist countries around, DPRK, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam and China for example.
I know that you will at minimum contest China's claim to socialism but they are ruled by a Communist party that is nominally still upholding ML, and there is no way you can say that China is a bourgeois dictatorship. There is no way a bunch of billionaires are going to tell the politburo what to do.

>>460307
>Because it's entirely passive
I don't see how ?
>Funny how you didn't argue the incel part.
Libidinal sex-politics are irrelevant to this, they serve no purpose other then derailment.

>>460305
>Imperialism itself has been dead since 1947
Is this a fucking joke kek wtf? Is this really like fucking 4chans /pol/, how many ballot box western socialists are on here? No imperialism? Who made that fucking smartphone you had who fucking makes the coffee beans you use? Fucking bourgeois "leftist" pretender.

I'm getting convinced nobody on here has fucking even read any theory. What a waste.

>no imperialism since 1947
Wow why are so many western "leftists" so retarded?

>>460323
You kinda need to show your theory muscles after saying something like this.

>>460320
>There still are socialist countries around, DPRK, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam and China for example.
All liberalized their economies
>I know that you will at minimum contest China's claim to socialism but they are ruled by a Communist party that is nominally still upholding ML, and there is no way you can say that China is a bourgeois dictatorship. There is no way a bunch of billionaires are going to tell the politburo what to do.
The EU and America call themselves democracies. Therefore it must be true
Xi Jinping is a billionaire
>I don't see how ?
>Libidinal sex-politics are irrelevant to this, they serve no purpose other then derailment.
Ya, you definitely don't fuck
<Hey guys, join our spunky group of leftist dudes who don't get laid but definitely know what's best for everyone
Inspiring message

>>460329
So you agree that western imperialism didn't stop in 1947? You have to be severely history-let and reactionary brained to fucking say imperialism stopped in 1947 westoid trash.

>>460333
>All liberalized their economies
DPRK didn't. And it's only partially true for the others. It's understandable, it allowed them to survive the blackest reaction after the Soviet dissolution. China did it to level up their technology base, and it worked. You have to admit that in every crisis they moved a little to the left.
>Xi Jinping is a billionaire
I can't find any legit source to corroborate that, so that's probably false.
It's very unlikely because he's doing a policy to "adjust excessive incomes of the super-wealthy"
>speculating about sex-life
this is basic liberal wrecker stuff.
>group of leftist
Leftist political organization is about fighting for the interests of the proletariat, it's not supposed to be a social club.
If you allow it to become a social club it will get torn apart by drama.

>>460334
>So you agree that western imperialism didn't stop in 1947?
Yes i agree with that, western imperialism didn't stop
>You have to be severely history-let and reactionary brained to fucking say imperialism stopped in 1947
It seems like an oddly specific date, i wonder what that is about.

>>460322
>imperialism is when the production of commodities gets done in different places than where those commodities are cosumed
Theorylet turdworldist. Lenin was wrong, and Marx was right. Deal with it.
>>460334
You're a fool for thinking that it went on after the entire mercantile colonial system collapsed, you know, the collapse that even Lenin predicted would be its end. The "imperialism" model doesn't work anymore, even in theory. There are no empires that function as their own distinct economies anymore. Even in the supposed "first-world" (NATO-made bullshit, by the way) workers are net exploited. They're not sitting on the pile of treasure that you mined; they don't even own the actual furniture in their rented apartments. They're all going to die in debt and work until they do.
>>460367
>It seems like an oddly specific date, i wonder what that is about.
The Kuomintang get shoved off the mainland, the Raj ended which set off independence movements throughout the Middle East, Indonesia had gained independence from The Netherlands not long before. The French and the Americans held onto some of their colonies for a bit longer, but in 1947 the vast majority of people who had been living under colonial rule had either achieved outright independence or were in the midst of a fight to achieve it. The empires were dead, and a global capitalism with two competing spheres had taken its place.