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"Billionaires like Elon Musk want to save civilization by having tons of genetically superior kids. Inside the movement to take 'control of human evolution.'"
Does this "pronatalism" thing fucking terrify anyone else? These eugenicists are openly constructing Gattaca and we can only watch. Our planet's natural resources are dwindling to zero and these people want to use science to create unnaturally many genetically engineered offspring who will all themselves be living lavish, wasteful rich person lifestyles, and we will have to bear the ecological cost of their excess.


I read this and thought it was based.

Of you don't want to have kids, fine. What's the problem if others want to have a lot of them? You won't have descendants to be troubled by theirs, afterall.


you thought this explicitly classist, capitalist, white supremacist creation of a techno-ubermenschen overlord class is based?


Yes, based master morality compared to sniveling slave morality that hides in the corner and whispers condemnations.

The only part I'd disagree is in your characterization of this as capitalist. The mode of production has already moved beyond capitalism, but your mental schema of the world hasn't kept up. 'muh white supremacy' idpol retardation doesn't even deserve a response.


>Yes, based master morality compared to sniveling slave morality that hides in the corner and whispers condemnations.
idealist hogwash doesn't deserve a response.

>The mode of production has already moved beyond capitalism

what is it then?


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It depends on the context and what we have is still capitalism. If we are working class and the rich are systemically eradicating us then breeding on their end is population replacement on their end and supporting that isn't ubermensch master morality it's literally slave morality cuckoldry.


explain the production process of "techno-overlordship" and how it differs from capitalism


>what is it then?

You were pointing in the right direction when you mentioned a techno overlord class. But you have to ask - what would distinguish on a structural level a system ruled by techno-overlordship compared to one ruled by capital.


>explain the production process of "techno-overlordship" and how it differs from capitalism

Production toward the end of expanding capital vs production toward the end of expanding control


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"yeah I know economics"


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>Supposedly deep and accurate understanding of todays economy, society, class struggle, etc - derived in toto from a pamphlet published in 1848 and navel gazing in mom's basement.


I fucking hate you retards.


pseud detected. commiefesto contains no economics. it's all in kapital.
>derived in toto
hold the line's a good song, but i don't see how listening to toto will teach me about marxism


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Production has moved over seas you retard but just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Production mainly takes place in 3rd world and easily exploited shit holes. Besides production still happens in the US just not as much.

Capitalism and feudalism just have a lot in common inherently because one is based on the other. Our modern day capitalism has transformed that is true but it's still at it's kernel capitalism. Capitalism being the production of commodities based on profits and wage labor in a market economy not your shitty inaccurate definition.


feudalism included the production of things for profit too, so that's not quite the kernel of capitalism.

Have you ever spend significant time in one of the 'Third World countries.' I have.


Pro natalism is based.
Human beings are forces of production and in its in the interest of the proletariat to have as many children as possible because a mother and father afraid of being unable to feed their 7 kids are infinitely more revolutionary than a lonely single spinster with 7 cats starving in their home and hanging on with quiet desperation


Being against billionaires is fucking cringe/gay, heh you probably call everyone a fascist or something.


Nah you're gay, not having a kid until after the revolution.


>you thought this explicitly classist, capitalist,
Yes, it is. Lets do a class analysis, the falling demographic trends mean that workers will become scarce, and the supply of labor-power will become much smaller than the demand for it. The working class will become powerful once more, and assert the political economy of labor above the political economy of capital. That's what they mean with the end of the world rhetoric, their little hyper-rich-people bubbles will end.
Nothing they can do will change this, there is no cultural or genetic "hack" for them to get out of this bind, because it's essentially a physical process, they exploited people so hard that it depleted their ability to reproduce. It's an energy and entropy problem and neither cultural norms nor genetic engineering can offer a way out of this. Or to put it in terms of the article this happens at the level of atoms and information, which is more fundamental than culture and biology.

The only way to avoid the "de-population bomb" is to reduce exploitation, reduce wealth inequality, redistribute the surplus, away from the capitalists back into society.

>creation of a techno-ubermenschen overlord class is based?

Don't worry too much, consider that it was possible to sell guys like Peter Thiel simple blood transfusion for 1000x the normal rate, with the fountain of youth scam, which is so old that you can find it in Greek mythology. The superpower that these people have is greed, not intelligence. They aren't going to create the homo-deus, they will just get scammed. Also some of this isn't meant for real but rather for ideological consumption, these people are running out of excuses why they should be the ruling class, especially because the world is going to shit.

For the genetic manipulation stuff, that can be done, but it's going to be a slow process to build up a knowledge-base for it. Like many tens of thousands of years. Removing genes has a limited potential for getting rid of some congenital defects that are also very rare to begin with. For anything more you have to add new genes or change existing ones. And you have to take into account all the possible environments that the organisms will face or else you will get catastrophic failures. So if they really try to build Ubermenshen based on the currently very limited and shallow bio-technology-stack, they will create very sick people that will live very short lives.

At the moment there is more potential in genetic health-care, because genetic therapies are relatively simple and cheap treatments, that could help lower the cost for public health care. It's also more reversible, than other treatments, so it's less hard to press undo, if there's bad side-effects. The genetic health-care only works if it's got large sample sizes. It's not going to work as an exclusive service for a minority of affluent people.

Realistic actually existing bio-tech is going to be about making relatively simple single-organisms do useful things
read this to get an idea:

By the time we can design hyper complex organism like humans we will be likely be in the phase of interstellar communism, that might include other intelligent species from other planets. Exo-biology might prove helpful to understand organic life at a more fundamental level.


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>According to his parents' calculations, as long as each of their descendants can commit to having at least eight children for just 11 generations, the Collins bloodline will eventually outnumber the current human population.
We're fucking doomed


What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't matter because we still live under capitalism. We just went down the time line where capitalism has evolved into something more sinister.


Fully automated surveillance capitalism


>feudalism included the production of things for profit too, so that's not quite the kernel of capitalism.
how is production for profit not a kernel, brainlet?

it was literally an embryo of capitalism in feudalism and classical slavery


Markets have been around since the beginning of civilization. They're not a prerequisite for the mode of production known as capitalism.


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>Along with his 3-year-old brother, Octavian, and his newborn sister, Titan Invictus
reminded me of Gracchus Babeuf or how someone named their son Egal after the revolution
also how Suslov named his son Revolii


Every revolution in history was preceded by a baby boom with the stress of the extra population forcing a revolution in the forces of production


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Umm leftybros I don't mean to sound racist, but why is porkie trying to create giga uygha?


Chapo has been shit lately (mildly pro-Ukraine, etc.), but their content on OP is good.


Kek, of all the half-witted attempts that porky has made to try to save cappitalism from itself, this is the stupidest. Capital is getting concentrated into progressively fewer hands? Let's make more capitalists! Of course, they will all be trying to live off the exact same falling profits, which is why there are fewer capitalists in the first place.


It's simple. We, uh, eat the rich.

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