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 No.12872[Reply]

Tldr:
Hobby programmer partially reverse engineers internet connected home appliances to make it work with the self-hosted opensource home-assistant-project instead of the manufacturer-cloud.

The Company Haier threatens acts of legalistic terrorism as a means to effect censorship of the open-source project via intimidation. Which would amount to expropriating all the people who bought Haier appliances.

Who knew the capitalists would turn out to become the biggest expropriators. Given how large this company is, they might actually out-compete the Soviets during the collectivization. Stealing personal property never even occurred to the Soviets. Because nobody in their right mind would give a shit about people reprogramming their washing-machine or AC-unit.

Check out this link for the detailed story
https://github.com/Andre0512/hon/blob/main/takedown_faq.md

People have created over 1800 forks already.
And it has sparked a lot of negative press.
Some people in the github discussion tab are speculating that Haier might change their mind.

On the one hand this is foreboding cyber-punk horror of mega-corps fucking with your stuff.
On the other hand people might get red-pilled because socialism has full personal property rights and capitalism just doesn't anymore.
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 No.12890

>>12872
It's fucking dogshit that instead of competing companies lock people into their shit and force it on them. I hope that guy wins his case.

> people might get red-pilled because socialism has full personal property rights

I think if you can nudge people in that direction they can connect the dots that this is just another thing in the long line of bullshit that all companies basically try to or end up doing. And they might recognize late stage capitalism as a thing.

But I don't get how to explain to people, even if they agree that late stage capitalism sucks, that socialism is the answer. Like they either already think that or they aren't going to listen lol.
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 No.12892

>>12890
>It's fucking dogshit that instead of competing companies lock people into their shit and force it on them. I hope that guy wins his case.
I think this story had a happy end, and the company changed its mind.
<Takedown Story
<Haier sent a takedown notice and threatened legal action. The community started a big riot and called for a Haier boycott, the repository was forked over 2000+ times to make the code undeletable. Haier was made to rethink and plans to support the integration.
https://github.com/Andre0512/hon

>I think if you can nudge people in that direction they can connect the dots that this is just another thing in the long line of bullshit that all companies basically try to or end up doing. And they might recognize late stage capitalism as a thing.
>But I don't get how to explain to people, even if they agree that late stage capitalism sucks, that socialism is the answer. Like they either already think that or they aren't going to listen
I guess most people think that companies can be nudged towards being less shitty. Sometimes it works, like it appears to have this time.

It does look like the trend for "enshitification" is irreversable.
If it becomes impossible to control your technology under capitalism that's probably when people will begin to listen to ideas of fundamentally changing the system.

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 No.12829[Reply]

Bruce Perens, one of the founders of Open Source reacted to IBM gobbling up Red Hat and giving the open source community the middle finger, was to try to create a new frame-work, that he calls post open

https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/27/bruce_perens_post_open/
<Post-Open, as he describes it, is a bit more involved than Open Source. It would define the corporate relationship with developers to ensure companies paid a fair amount for the benefits they receive. It would remain free for individuals and non-profit, and would entail just one license.
<He imagines a simple yearly compliance process that gets companies all the rights they need to use Post-Open software. And they'd fund developers who would be encouraged to write software that's usable by the common person, as opposed to technical experts.
<Perens argues that the GPL isn't enough. "The GPL is designed not as a contract but as a license. What Richard Stallman was thinking was he didn't want to take away anyone's rights. He only wanted to grant rights. So it's not a contract. It's a license. Well, we can't do that anymore. We need enforceable contract terms."

Other than the name being kinda meh, is this something worthwhile, something that could catch on ?
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 No.12839

>>12830
>we already have free aka libre software which goes a lot further
The point of the GPL is to keep open source code open.

The point of this new thing is more like "I'm too lazy/incompetent to build a business on this code I wrote but if somebody else figures out how to make money with it then I want a cut of your profits". It's the software equivalent of being a landlord essentially.

>>12832
>I have no idea what possessed grey beards to toil under the BSD cuck license
Dude you're the one who thinks that under communism everyone will voluntarily work for free.
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 No.12842

>>12839
>The point of the GPL is to keep open source code open.
I agree with that.

>The point of this new thing is the software equivalent of being a landlord.
You're not wrong, but open landlord software might still be better than proprietary software. Assuming they publish sources, allow libre forking/redistribution, as well as make it free for non-commercial use. If people choose to publish under an open landlord software license over a proprietary license, that might still count as a win.

>Dude you're the one who thinks that under communism everyone will voluntarily work for free.
I'm not that dude, and i don't disagree with you, but i would like to add nuance. In higher stage socialism when it's basically impossible to suffer any unmet material needs. People will work towards self-realization goals. Star trek got that part mostly correct.
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 No.12882

I am very much looking forward to the day when there no longer exist any humans willing to take people like Bruce Perens and Eric Raymond seriously.
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 No.12885

>>12839
>Dude you're the one who thinks that under communism everyone will voluntarily work for free.
<Implying not paying anything to the actively exploited proles isn't the ideal state of production for the leading class of capitalist class system
kys

Not even gonna ask why would you do anything only if you get something in return. It's not like you've always lived under constant shortages of goods anyway, is it?
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 No.12912

>>12885
>Implying not paying anything to the actively exploited proles isn't the ideal state of production for the leading class of capitalist class system
Is that supposed to be english?

>kys
Adding a communist flag to your post doesn't give you a license to be a shitty person.

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 No.12874[Reply]

You jelly?
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 No.12875

Fuck u 🖕
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 No.12878

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 No.12803[Reply]

Hello people. I'm looking for an instant messenger which satisfies most of those needs:

Anonymous, private & secure [decentralised, encrypted & safe] (Hard necessary)

Audio & video calls [configure volume, deafen, mute, select camera/screen/window & support for group chats] (If there is an app which satisfies most other needs but does not have audio/video, I might do fine just using Jitsi instead, so it's mid-necessary.)

Clean, fast, professional, responsive & smooth design (Can also go with terminal)

Cross-platform [android, linux & windows] (Hard necessary)

File transfer [no limits] (Hard necessary)

Free & open source (Hard necessary)

Group chats [customisation & moderation] (Hard necessary)
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 No.12851

>>12850
Still FUD. Mostly.

Here's the thing: even if there is legitimately too much data being sent to matrix.org from using the element app, the whole thing is still open source, so you can run your own app, your own server, and have it be secure as far as anyone can make anything secure. And that is the state of it today.

I am a bit concerned about their connections to Israel however.
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 No.12853

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Holy fuck element just locked the issue for the most requested feature of having multiple account support. What a bunch of faggots

https://github.com/element-hq/element-web/issues/2320#issuecomment-1885852306
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 No.12870

>>12803

Most of your requirement are met by simplex.chat
Enjoy!
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 No.12871

>>12870
How come I haven't heard of this before? It's self hosted, and seems like it might be more stable than element. I wonder if you can use it to send files?
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 No.12873

schmlomo ur mom

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 No.12828[Reply]

What very few people seem to understand is that AIs are going to become the commodity.
All the content that could previously be sold as the commodity is at best an intermediary input now.

The copy-monopoly-lobby is currently buying special-interest-laws to bully AI companies to make their training material public, and intent to litigate for copy-monopoly-rent.

Ai companies probably should uphold attribution and licenses, to prevent simple stripping of licenses and attributions while pretending to do Ai generation. The AI companies should not have any obligation to pay copy-monopoly-rent, because if their tech works correctly it should generate new and original material. We can't have copy-monopoly get expanded to pay royalties for stuff that looks vaguely similar We also can't have copy-monopolies applied to something like a style.

While the file-sharing-tech-bros from the 90s ad 00s ultimately failed to slay the beast, the AI-tech-bros might actually have what it takes to crack the quasi feudal-power of the copy-monopoly-mafia. 2 Reasons:
-AI companies can make little AI-lawyer-helpers that will cut down their legal costs and allow them to win the attrition battle in lawfare.
-AI-choosies will beat tv/movies

<wtf are choosies
The Disney corporation wants to fire all their animation serfs, and put a big server-rack in the animation dungeon that generates new Star wars movie episodes and tv series/seasons and Force you to rent access.

EntertAInment will make competing science fantasy visual story generators on the basis of cinematic video game engines. The content generator will make as many episodes as you want. It'll be a big download, probably over 100gigs, more like a big video game than a video-file. But it will allow you to choose or modify details like the plot and character attributes, and it'll have graphics settings and filters that will allow you to change the look from photo-realistic to animated stick-figures. You might want to join a "multiplayer" group that has a shared time-line and shared characters, and lots of people that help curate the story so that it's less generic slog.
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 No.12859

>>12856
>I think you're right in the very long term but soooooo many private interests rely on intellectual property enforcement that it won't happen anytime soon.
The copy monopoly crap is a net negative for most businesses, because it is primarily a legalistic weapon designed for law-fare to be waged by large monopolists. The groups that benefit are powerfull but they are not "soooooo many". Also it definitely is not a form of property, not even in bourgeois ideology. If you read the bourgeois legal definitions, those call it a "state granted monopoly"

>We're starting to see cracks, like Disney not extending the copyright on "Steamboat Willie" but we are no where near the dismantling of copyright AI needs to thrive.
It's hard to tell how quick/slow the transformation will be. AI progression might go slow and incrementally, but it could also be rapid. I guess it kinda depends on how quickly the constraining factors can be optimized. Consider that you as a human didn't have to read hundreds of millions of books and webpages, to be able to formulate a coherent reply to a text query. People who can draw nice pictures didn't have to look at millions of pictures to learn how. So it stands to reason that the AI training algorithms still have a huge optimization potential.

I'm kinda uncertain about Disney's agency in all of this. Did they have the power to extend the copy-monopoly on Steamboat Willie, but decided not to do so. Or was it that they no longer had the power to do it. After-all they did try and fail to copy-censor some of the public-domain uses of it.
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 No.12864

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Somebody made an AI George Carlin
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=2kONMe7YnO8

For comparison Here's an actual recording of George Carlin
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=ysHIPxbdDno

I'm spoilering my commentary in case you want to form your own opinion first.

I wanted to like this, because i was hoping that it might keep brilliant minds sort off available after they passed away fucking died. But it didn't really capture the magic, the AI version is severely neutered ideology-wise and lacks the pointed language compared to the actual guy. The AI version doesn't mimic Carlin's distinctive facial expressions, but I won't hold that against them since many people will only listen to the audio anyway. There are a few chuckles in there, so if this stuff really was entirely AI generated, that's still very impressive from a technical perspective.

I get the impression that they intentionally watered down AI-Carlin. At that point why bother with an AI resurrection. This feels like when People tried to "fix" old books in re-released versions.
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 No.12866

>>12857
>they are becoming a powerful interest group that will push back against the copy monopoly terror

They will not, and will in fact be the worst perpetrator yet seen

>If you know more about the AI-Theil connection please share.

The modern right wing fascist movement is a direct result of theil. he is so influencial in the world of silicon valley, VCs and such, y combinator. He is a manipulative psycho who basically wants to establish himself and his class as a permanent ruling aristocracy. If you have come across far right media in the last ten years, it will be tied to theils money. For example the bronze age pervert book was propped up and distributed by theil. he's trying hard to make fascism cool and artsy currently. regardless, he is a fucking demon that wants to control everyone and everything and essentially create hell for anyone who isnt a billionaire. the worst part is that he is legitimately very smart, just evil, so he's extremely dangerous. If you dig around, you'll find him trying to accelerate everything that makes our lives worse.
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 No.12868

>>12866
>They will not, and will in fact be the worst perpetrator yet seen
Do you mean to say Ai companies will do more copy-monopoly impositions ?

I very much doubt that. Copy-monopolies only work for static data. The Ai systems aren't static, the training data sets, the model weights, and so on, all of it is in continuous flux. There's nothing in there that is fixed enough to turn it into a definable "legal object".

These generative AIs have a processing step that uses randomized noise, so even identical instances of an AI system are unlikely to produce identical results. If you try to apply copy-monopoly logic to this, you'd get a mad competition to copy-rape all the things. For example Amazon would be using it's large array of cloud computers to generate every possible book, that is somewhat coherent text. Anybody who tries to author a new book, gets told "F.U. already generated and copy-raped". Not just books, ALL forms of expression would become copy-monopoly infringement. Copy-monopolies would become too absurd to continue existing.

If I were trying to make a AI company that i.d.k draws pictures for example. I wouldn't download all the images from DeviantArt and then computationally brute-force those. It works well enough but it's not the best method. You hire a painter, to paint something from a photo. And you feed the Ai system with the data about their graphic-tablet-inputs and their gaze (which part of the photo they focus their attention on). Then you only need to apply brute force-processing on tiny chunks of an image. Instead of using tens of gigabytes of RAM-memory you use hundreds of megabytes of CACHE-memory. Which is much faster and lower on power consumption. The "chunking method" also needs smaller training data-sets. But it requires you to hire people and strap them into a fancy set-up in order to make them "teach" the AI system the entire step by step process of painting a picture, instead of just showing it the final result. With this optimization you can condense a "AI-thing" into a reasonably priced pcie-card, with a relatively low power consumption and sell it as a commodity. Artists and everybody else who inputs "intelligence chunks" would become wage-workers in a factory, that make pieces of silicon that are "a skill in a can". Over time the many dedicated chips get consolidatePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.12869

>>12866
>Theil is a manipulative psycho who basically wants to establish himself and his class as a permanent ruling aristocracy.
>he is a fucking demon that wants to control everyone and everything and essentially create hell for anyone who isnt a billionaire.
True but that's always been the goal of any ruling class.
The question is whether a "tech-monarchy" is really viable ?
The world is a big place, that also will contain "classical capitalist" economies. The last time the capitalists out-competed the monarchs. If China or some other country manages to reach a higher socialist mode of production, that'll blow past both of those.

>the worst part is that he is legitimately very smart, just evil
So he's intelligent, except for the youth snake-oil bullshit he fell for ?

>If you dig around, you'll find him trying to accelerate everything that makes our lives worse.
He invested in Palantir the data mining company with links to the CIA. Do you mean that ?

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 No.12778[Reply]

Has there been any progress on this?
I was going to post a couple of ideas of how it will function,
how people can generate a public/private keypair, and add their
public key to a chain of trust network that establishes their key as trusted by
someone another person might trust as well.

I was going to brainstorm some ideas about how to verify that work was done and
how much of it for someone to receive a payment (maybe some sort of smart
contract shit? Idk much about that stuff)

But then I realized, that even if we had an app where people have a balance
of money measured in hours, that they earn by working, then could that
even gain traction?

I mean all you would have to do is get it to a point where you tell starbucks
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 No.12852

>>12848
>people in africa living on $1 a day because of you
You made up a fake quote and then wrote a whole post debunking it.
This is the actual quote if you want to try again:
>There are millions of people in africa living on $1 a day. If you care so much about equality then there is nothing stopping you for giving half your money to them.
The point being that you don't care about equality you just want to get free stuff for yourself.

>Capitalism is a system implemented through violence and terror, unfathomable mind-bending amounts of violence and terror.
<you do work
<they pay you
<you stop working
<they stop paying you
Where is the violence?

>>12849
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 No.12854

>>12852
>Where is the violence?
There is a tremendous amount of organized direct violence, where people are terrorized to submit to capitalist logic. However most of the violence in capitalism is structural. Structural violence is less dramatic, but it is destroying a huge amount of people, none the less.

The more egregious examples of structural violence are perhaps best exemplified in the game where big multinational capitalists bribe politicians of powerful countries like the US to impose sanctions against smaller weaker countries. They do this in order to make live unbearable for the population. To punish people for not electing leaders that allow those big multinational capitalists to plunder countries and maximally exploit the population. On a more local level there would be something similar that is called austerity economics, those lower living standards of people, which has destructive effects on the well being of people. That is violence too, even if it isn't the pinkertons gunning down striking workers.

You have to be realistic, capitalists could neither control so much means of production, nor could they extract large profits without violence. When ever workers try to claim all the wealth they produced the capitalists call on the state to brutalize the workers, sometimes the capitalists hire mercenary groups to do that.

Another very obvious thing that cannot exist without violence are the insane wealth concentrations, it's not possible to take so much wealth from the people without violence, and it's also not possible to keep people from taking it back, without loads of violence.

You also have to stop pretending that capitalism is a voluntary system. You can't claim that people had a choice when there's only one economic system to choose from. People who try to build alternative economic systems that bypasses capitalism get murdered sometimes by the millions like in Indonesia 1965-1966. Literally every socialist country that tried to build another economic system got invaded by capitalist powers, usually more than once. The Soviets suffered 14 invasions. But also people that tried to build alternative systems within capitalist countries get attacked viciously. I'm not talking just about communists building networks of communes and such things. But there's also other non socialist altPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.12860

>>12852
>It's understandable that Marx hypothesized this 200 years ago but we have enough evidence now to say this is completely false.
What the fuck are you talking about. Marx's theories have largely been proven correct. The falling rate of profit turned out to be true. And there were massive socialist revolutions in the 20th century.

The only theoretical point Marx seemed to have gotten wrong was about industrial capital usurping financial capital in terms of political power. When neo-liberal capitalism took off in the west, financial capital was put above industrial capital. However if you look at the world economy, you can see China prioritizing their industrial sector over their financial sector, and they are winning on economics.

>The happier the workers are the less they give a shit about political revolution.
You are a fucking clown, workers aren't happy at all, and capitalism is using brutal repression against revolutionary or reformist politics.

>Even 100 years ago Sorel wrote about how class warfare could never win in industrialized countries
Who ?

Anyway if you look at the workers movement in the west, in the post WW2 period. The only reason why the Neo-liberals were able to reverse the progress the social democrats were able to achieve, is because they could outsource industrial labor, and destroy the bargaining power of the western labor-movement.

But it turns out that de-industrializing the west, and offshoring industry to the periphery of the capitalist imperial system meant that, the periphery could catch up to the core. Now the big imperial capitalists that initially funded the neo-liberal politics are loosing their ability to extract imperial profits from the world.
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 No.12865

>>12854
>There is a tremendous amount of organized direct violence, where people are terrorized to submit to capitalist logic.
Such a tremendous amount that you can't even name one example.

>However most of the violence in capitalism is structural.
I expect "structural violence" is as meaningless a term as "structural racism".

>The more egregious examples of structural violence are perhaps best exemplified in the game where big multinational capitalists bribe politicians of powerful countries like the US to impose sanctions against smaller weaker countries.
When the government does stuff that's socialism. You know that.

>You also have to stop pretending that capitalism is a voluntary system.
It sounds like we're talking about different things then. We both hate the current system, the difference is you think the problem is not enough government and I think the problem is too much government.

>words words words
Since you've probably forgot my original point I'll repeat it.
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 No.12867

>>12860
>there were massive socialist revolutions in the 20th century.
All in agrarian countries. Once a country industrializes the living conditions of workers skyrockets so fast that class war is effectively off the table for the foreseeable future. That was the whole point Sorel was trying to make (read a book). And that's why 21st century socialism has replaced class war with race war and environmentalism as methods of stirring up revolution.

>When neo-liberal capitalism took off in the west, financial capital was put above industrial capital.
Again, technocrats at the federal reserve trying to centrally plan the economy by manipulating interest rates on fake paper money is not "capitalism".

>if you look at the world economy, you can see China prioritizing their industrial sector over their financial sector, and they are winning on economics.
Just like how the USSR was the world's largest steel producer and yet couldn't feed it own citizens? China's central planners using their own metrics to beat America's central planners is like the kid with one arm beating the kid with one leg at cross country running. There is a much bigger picture you are missing.

>The only reason why the Neo-liberals were able to reverse the progress the social democrats were able to achieve, is because they could outsource industrial labor, and destroy the bargaining power of the western labor-movement.
What "progress" are you referring to? You've got an ever rising minimum wage, it's impossible to fire unproductive workers unless they literally break the law while working, you've got a full featured welfare state giving the unemployed a comparative standard of living to the working poor, fully socialized healthcare. You're not so deep in your echo chamber that you pretend these are all wins for capitalism are you.

>But it turns out that de-industrializing the west, and offshoring industry to the periphery of the capitalist imperial system meant that, the periphery could catch up to the core. Now the big imperial capitalists that initially funded the neo-liberal politics are loosing their ability to extract imperial profits from the world.
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 No.12861[Reply]

A short while ago some people tried to hack Kaspersky, which is a famous IT security company. Obviously the hack failed because it got discovered. Maybe hacking a crowd of security experts was asking for it.

The hackers used an exploit/backdoor in the iphones from people working at Kaspersky. The important technical aspect was that it was a insanely long and complicated exploit-chain which included undocumented features in the chip-hardware/firmware. Many people described it as the most complex attack method in all the history of IT security breaches.

2 discussions dominated the IT Security scene.
1. Since kaspersky is located in Russia, many suspected it was the US doing cyberwarfare.
2. Many people debated whether the undocumented hardware feature was a intentional backdoor that either Apple or the US government put there.

I think that it doesn't really matter whether this was an intentional cyber-war backdoor or just a deep security flaw that sophisticated cyber-crime was able to find. The main lesson to be learned here, is that people were able to discover this insanely complicated method of gaining access to these phones. And the conclusion should be that we now have conclusive proof that there is no such thing as a secret backdoor that's only accessible to "vetted and trusted personnel"
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 No.12863

Welcome to the internet captain obvious.
I mean, anon. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but. This doesn't come as a surprise to anyone lurking this board who knows shit about computers. It's basic opsec to know that everything can be hacked and nothing is completely secure.

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 No.12821[Reply]

Debian statement:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2023/vote_002#statistics

some interesting comments on LWN and hackernews
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38787005
https://lwn.net/Articles/956187/

My take away from this is, that people are unsure whether this is an honest attempt at legislating for more computer security, or whether it's monopolists trying to kill off smaller competitors or FOSS projects with impossible regulatory burdens. Debians take seems to be that if they can make provisions for FOSS and smaller companies it might be good, they seem to think that the CRA makes sense for closed source software, but less so for open source.

<Manufacturers will need to perform risk assessments and produce technical documentation and, for critical components, have third-party audits conducted. Discovered security issues will have to be reported to European authorities within 24 hours. The CRA will be followed up by the Product Liability Directive which will introduce compulsory liability for software.
The irony is that FOSS software probably gets audited more than any other software, but it's by other programmers who will not bother to declare an official audit. They will just use the issue-tab on git-hub, complain about bugs/vulnerabilities in the project-forum/messaging, mailing lists or on irc. GPL and other free-software licenses generally have disclaimers that they do not offer any warranties. The CRA legislation would introduce compulsory liability. So that would be trying to make a law that overrules the GPL and other such licenses. I think the reasons why FOSS software had those liability exemption clauses added in the first place might have been because there was a lot of "liability lawsuit trolling" in the past. If i understood this correctly there might be a risk that if you make a GitHub-repository and post some code to it, somebody might try to sue you for liability as part of a shady lawyer-scam or something. It was generally the case that in order to get a warranty you had to buy a software support contract with a company, and the liability was handled via that contract, that way only actual customerPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.12822

Might help if you explained what the hell "CRA" is first, OP.
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 No.12823

>Like the RUST programming language that has eliminated a hole class of memory-leak security flaws
I play Veloren regularly and it has literally had a memory leak for well over a year (if not years). Rust hype is fucking stupid.
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 No.12824

>>12822
CRA stands for "cyber resiliency act".
It's EU legislation that's supposed to improve IT security.
But might end up screwing over Open source and small tech
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 No.12825

>>12823
>I play Veloren
I approve of your taste in video games
>and it has literally had a memory leak for well over a year
chances are this is caused by a graphics api.
>Rust hype is fucking stupid.
It got approved by the Linux kernel dev team tho.
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 No.12826

>>12823
OP is dumb but so are you. Rust eliminates memory safety issues, but memory leaks are not categorized as such because it is impossible for a compiler or even a runtime to determine if memory allocations are leaks or intentional.

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 No.10042[Reply]

Hey /tech/ I'm here to say I'm probably going to be rewriting a chan in a new language/stack intended as a vichan replacement. I've reached out on lainchan:
https://lainchan.org/%CE%BB/res/26674.html
and I'm also reaching out here. Initially I was writing it in java, but after getting some feedback from other people I've decided to take a step back and solicit more feedback from the userbase and people here on /tech/ and in the wider alt chan community on what it should be.

What does /tech think of:

Architecture: Monolith vs Microservices
Front end: SPA (ex: Angular, React) vs Server Side HTML templating
Backend Language: Java, C#, Lisp, Rust, Golang, PHP, etc.
Database: SQL vs NoSQL
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 No.12791

>>10070
>le choice of language
You will never get anywhere, just give up
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 No.12796

>>12790
idk why you're necrobumping but yes coding MUST be fun for side projects otherwise you will get nowhere.
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 No.12799

>>12796
What you are saying is correct.

However a surprising amount of code gets copy-pasted from stack-overflow and then tweaked to fit the application. Recently people have begun a similar praxis by prompting large language models, and tweaking the output of that. Neither is particularly fun.
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 No.12801

>>12799
ChatGPT has made programming way more fun for me. I'm blocked a lot less often, I can delegate the boring stuff to it and focus on solving slightly higher level problems. It's been a game changer tbqh.
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 No.12802

>>12801
>ChatGPT has made programming way more fun for me.
I haven't tried it to be honest. Tho I watched online videos of people using llm code. It didn't look compelling to me. People spend as much time refactoring the generated code as it would have taken them to write it from scratch. To be fair it's been a few months since i last looked at this, it might have improved since.

I could see this as a great way to learn a new programming language, and possibly as a tool to detect bugs and perhaps security flaws.

I'm not sure about using a online llm services for production software tho. I would be too paranoid about the code-generators being used to slip malicious code into programs. Consider that Code-llms scrape all of github, which means that if somebody figures out how to spike "delicious" code-snippets, that the llms like to pass on to users, they only have to upload that to github and then loads of people get pwnd. If i wrote programs for other people i would use a airgapped computer, and then upload the finished software from a connection-point that is not predictable. For fears of getting hacked and abused as a vector for distributing malware.

Security conscious developers worry allot about supply chain attacks and go to great length like encrypting the ram on their machines because that somehow makes it harder to compromise software at the point of compiling binaries.

the FUNmetric
My take is that "llm-prompt-coding" will be fun once it becomes more like a sudo programming language with predictable output and less like a code lottery. My concept of fun is playing the same game over and over while incrementally improving my skill level until i reach a plateau. So the code lottery aspect looks frustrating to me.

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speed reduction tech in every new car
https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/16/ntsb-speed-reduction-tech-in-every-new-car/
<How it works
<ISA technology relies on a car’s GPS location and matches it to a database of posted speed limits and onboard cameras to come up with the legal speed limit. Passive ISA systems warn a driver when the vehicle exceeds the speed limit through sound, visuals or haptic alerts, leaving the driver responsible for slowing the car. Active systems might make it more difficult to increase the speed of a vehicle, or even fully limit it from going, above a posted speed limit.

I think this is bad because it would interfere with users being able to have complete control over their tech.

However i don't know if cars are a worth-while battleground, because cars are going to get banned in cities anyway and replaced with public transport, a few automated road-network-integrated taxi-pods and bicycles. The people living in rural areas who need the cars are going to rip out those "defective by design" control circuits and replace it with simpler stuff that is incapable of refusing user-inputs.

Why the car-companies go along with this is puzzling, because stuff like this will eventually demote cars from status symbol to an appliance.

As far as those overreaching regulations go, car culture and the car industry selecting for big, heavy and fast cars is partially to blame also. If cars were dinky half-tonne machines making around 40 to 80 horsepower rolling around at moderate speeds, instead of 2 tonne high-speed behemoths making hundreds of horsepower, they would be far less intimidating and draw less attention from the No-Fun-Allowed brigades.

I think there is a compromise to be had. Exempting cars that are very light, small and slow, with the trade-off being: low-potency in exchange for full user control.
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 No.12777

>>12775
>1 ton hitting you at 100 miles per hour will paste you with no issue.
Cars can be made lighter than that. I figure 650kg/1400pounds are doable. A top speed of 135km/h 85mph is probably good enough. As far as potential energy stored as kinetic momentum goes, that's no longer scary. This won't break through any barriers intended to keep cars from exiting the road with destructive consequences. For the politics of control since this type of car can be contained with a simple barrier, there is no need to install a back-door/murder-switch into it.

If you want to get radical with optimizing the design, you can go 6 wheels. That'll reduce capital costs because 6 small off-the-shelf industrial-motors will make enough power to move such a light car. Hence no need for bespoke motors. Spreading the load 6 ways instead of 4 will let you get away with lighter/simpler suspension, smaller wheels and less structural strength for the car-frame. Rear wheels stay fixed, middle wheels can rotate while being spring centered and front wheels steer like normal. Making smaller parts but more of it, means you can get away with smaller machine capital. Letting the smaller machine run longer to make more small parts is cheaper, especially now that so much of car assembly is automated.

If you go electric with this, a small and light car, means you can get away with a smaller battery, and battery swapping for quick-recharge situations might even become economical. Or you could go with a tiny commuter range build in battery using standard battery-chem like Lithium-Ion, Lithium-phosphate or Sodium-Ion. And then for long range trips you have a single use Zink-Air or Aluminum-Air cells that'll give you a crazy range of around 3000km 1900miles. Those have to be mechanically refurbished after every discharge, but that can be done in the already existing metal recycling industry. Unused, these cells have indefinite shelf-life, which means unlike gasoline and diesel those won't spoil, and that'll make logistics easier. And there's an upgrade path to H2-fuel-cell range extender packs once we figure out economical H2storage.

>a 30% efficiency improvement
That's huge. 30% more efficient times how ever many hundreds of millions of cars, will make a big dent. The 0.65 tonne cars i have in mind will net yPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.12779

>>12777
I am not an expert but I still very much doubt the impotency of any thing measured in hundreds of pounds going over 40 miles per hour.

The 6 wheels idea is cool. I believe it would increase rolling friction, but would still be interested to see it. My idea which I have not idea of practicality is to electrify the roads so you're usually not using a battery at all, and make cars capable of hooking together with the car in front, increasing efficiency more. Even more of a pipe dream than your ideas, I'm sure.

I doubt you can shrink lanes and parking spaces with smaller vehicles and keep comfort and safety margins. I've seen small city cars bang their mirrors off on busses on a historic street near me. Til you have self driving, humans are too imprecise so most of the lane extra space is there for human error, not car variation from what I can tell.

I'd guess it'll be luxury/business cars and no cars. I doubt a small car saves more than say… 35% the costs of a current toyota corolla to build and operate over its life, so once the costs start going up, through government or market, proles will be priced out period unless they have a high willingness to pay. You see it today with aircraft- many status symbols luxury models at different price points from upper class to billionaire, many business models like cropdusters and airbusses. Not many prolemobiles. I'm sure there are some different factors here of course. Also, I'm not totally sure public opinion matters that much. There are plenty of airports in the US, despite most general aviation probably being bad for the poor. Could be wrong here- going over the sound barrier is still illegal over the US.
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 No.12782

>>12779
>I am not an expert but I still very much doubt the impotency of any thing measured in hundreds of pounds going over 40 miles per hour.
40mph or 65km/h is a speed that you can go with a bicycle if you are really fit or going down a long and steep slope. But you are mostly correct in your assessment. For a 0.65 tonne vehicle the maximum comfortable cruising speed is 90km/h 55mph. The top speed of 135km/h 85mph is something only useful for a brief period during an overtaking maneuver. Keep in mind that e-cars get the benefit of a low center of gravity which improve stability.

>The 6 wheels idea is cool. I believe it would increase rolling friction, but would still be interested to see it.
Yes there would be a very marginal increase because you add 2 additional bearings. Friction with the road surface does not change, 6 small wheels would have the same contact area with the road than 4 larger wheels. However this is academic. For light vehicles the dominant type of friction is atmospheric drag.

>My idea which I have not idea of practicality is to electrify the roads so you're usually not using a battery at all, and make cars capable of hooking together with the car in front, increasing efficiency even more.
It's economical to add induction charging loops into high traffic roads, that keep car batteries topped up. Linking car-columns into adhoc trains can be done but in a different way. You build a high speed cargo train. It needs special train-stations and train-cars, that allow for quick access via automobiles. So you and a bunch of others drive their cars ontop of trains, and then the trains take passengers inside their cars to a far away destination at high speed around 400km/h 250mph. The extra effort needs to yield a efficiency and a speed bonus, to make it worth it for people to bother with the extra steps.
>a pipe dream
If you accept my modifications than all of that already exists.

>I doubt you can shrink lanes and parking spaces with smaller vehicles and keep comfort and safety margins.
You can't shrink road lanes anyway because buses and large utility vehicles like firetrucks still need to fit. But you can shrink parking spaces. If we are going to do Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.12784

>>12782
Everything you said seemed reasonable and in accordance with what I've seen. I wasn't thinking about the massive value of the land used on automobile transport. I wonder if you could really miniaturize the prole-mobile into something like a large electric wheelchair, so they'd pack well into trains, and could lock to the floor, allowing for safe high speed high density travel, and really solving the parking issue, since you could just stay in it all day, or they'd be small enough to stack much more efficiently. With self driving, you could be napping, reading or working/playing on a laptop not only on the 'drive to work,' but the 'walk from the parking lot' or even while standing in line. Sort of like in the movie wall-E.

I really would like people to be able to preserve having their own private compartment in, as I think it's more psychologically healthy, what with our being adapted only to know so many people, and have so much to focus on. I think changing transportation has the potential to free up such a massive amount of productive time, but I hope it won't all go to dealing with stressful changing environments full of strangers. At some point though, density must conflict with privacy and low stress. Do you think people could sit on a large electric wheelchair with walls and not be too claustrophobic? IDK, just an idea I find interesting to play with. All I've got on my end is idle chit chat about this very interesting topic. Do you think there's anything I ought to be doing? I could try make a startup lol, but that's 99.9% not going to happen. Thanks again for your post.
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 No.12788

>>12784
WallE hoverchairs are technically doable but putting maglev-tech into all the roadways that'll be very pricey. On the more affordable side of things, there's the so called micro-cars. But those are kinda niche atm and don't work well out-side of a city, at the moment it's mostly wealthy urbanites that buy these as a second car.

I'm unsure how well you can miniaturize this. A well optimized and small 1 person transport machine already exists and it's an electric bicycle or motorcycle. I know you want some kind of personal-space compartment. But at that size, were talking a tube-frame with fabric stretched over it. If you shrink a container, volume decreases much faster than surface area, so in relative terms the body will make up a much bigger fraction of the weight. If you put a metal body on a tiny vehicle it'll get heavy and sluggish. The question becomes do people want tiny tent-cars? To make this economical We're looking at an empty-vehicle weight-goal of about 165kg 360pounds. And you want to spend about half of that on a battery-pack. Aiming for a top speed of 55km/h 35mph.

My guess is that claustrophobia would be ameliorated by having large windows in it. Also the point of optimizing transport to have a small footprint isn't really about crowding people. You can use the gained space for nice things like green patches.

>Do you think there's anything I ought to be doing? I could try make a startup lol, but that's 99.9% not going to happen.
I'm probably the last person you should ask for business advice, but it doesn't really look like the current economic structure accommodates starting a business. The Neo-liberals give all the money to wall-street, the military complex, the surveillance complex and large corporations. Currently the predominant business-model in the consumer space is enshitification, basically copy something old that works well enough and make it worse by adding a subscription fee and spyware. If soc-dems get into political power and redistribute wealth, regular people will once again get enough "disposable income" to give small companies that just "started up" a chance and try out their new product ideas. That's probably the time to build something like this. I guess that at present you could work out all the technical details so that you have something ready to go once thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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