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▶ No.490[Last 50 Posts]>>1458>>6270

The previous Nordic thread reached bump limit, so let's continue here.

Let's discuss in English, so we can all understand each other (I don't want this to become a circle jerk for Swedes only).

Previous thread >>>/leftypol/290791
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▶ No.527

sök "magmysmicke" på youtube
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▶ No.531

>>>/leftypol/832390
>shilling for genocide
he's a communist no?
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▶ No.535

>>>/leftypol/832406
Instead of just saying that Tarrant had a different M.O. than Breivik, he gives these "warnings". And how much he "thinks" that it will be some kind of purge or whatever.

He has also made one Nils Flyg joke too many.
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▶ No.544>>703

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>>>/leftypol/825716
>>>/leftypol/830176
There's not many Maoists in Finland. There's a Maoist website ran by group called "Punalippu-kollektiivi" (Red Flag Collective) and they sometimes refer to a group called "Maolainen komitea Suomessa" (Maoist Committee in Finland). They are kinda based IMO, but as far as I know they only have a activists in Turku, Tampere and Helsinki and they are not too many. Here's their website: https://punalippu.noblogs.org/

They do propaganda work, paint graffiti, write and translate articles, and do some small actions and demos. I hope they grow, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Few months ago they took part in George Floyd/BLM-support demonstration and painted their slogan "Taistele ja tee vastarintaa" (Combat and resist) in public and burned the USA flag. That made to national news but the group was not mentioned.

In 2017 there was a big counter-demonstration against a Neo-Nazi march in Tampere. Maoists organized a bloc called "Kuolema fasismille" (Death to Fascism). Very loud home made firecrackers were thrown at the Nazis which scared the shit out of them. It was probably done by the Maoists but they never commented on it.

Pictures:
>1st pic: Last week Maoists demonstrated against the SDP congress. Banner says "Bourgeoisie should pay for their own crisis. Workers abandodn the SDP. Socialist revolution!"

>2nd pic: Pics of Maoist actions and slogans, including the news headline about the graffiti at BLM demonstration. This montage is probably made by some anti-communist trying to "connect the dots" and to blame the Reds. But I think it just proves how active Maoists are, so it's OK.

>3rd pic: Some Punalippu-stickers.
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▶ No.559>>569>>577

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>>>/leftypol/819501
>Curved sword is for Moscowites
>>>/leftypol/819842
>the trampled saber on the lions feet symbolizes the "eastern barbarians" aka the Russians
&ltyour nation will never be accused of being eastern barbarians by a bunch of asiatic tribes
>>>/leftypol/822993
He's a cossack. They were never a regular army in Russia.
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▶ No.569

>>559
I mean, modern Russia literally started out as tax collectors for the tatars
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▶ No.576>>604

Leve Frank Baude
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▶ No.577>>662

>>559
>He's a cossack. They were never a regular army in Russia.

Jesus fucking christ. It's a Chapaev. Pretty famous red commanedr. We even have a movie about him.

Sashka (form of a sabre) was a standard issue in the russian cavalry. And no, cossacks were not the only cavalry that russian had.
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▶ No.581

>>>/leftypol/847395
Yes and I literally just gave you an example of a right wing figure (Alex Jones) handling it properly as a free out.
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▶ No.582

>>>/leftypol/847359
That wasn't a fight, he didn't even know he was getting attacked before he was killed. Straight up murder, not a fucking fight, you demented faggot.
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▶ No.583

>>>/leftypol/847386
>because can't handle a fall properly.
No, he died because he was kicked in the chest and hit his head on the ground. No one can "handle that fall properly". Holy fucking shit, I seriously want to murder you.
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▶ No.584

>>>/leftypol/847442
You sound like you've never tried to deliberately provoke anyone before lol. I can guarantee you that 99% of the time if you do something stupid like this people will be so shocked that they will ask why before responding and the worst extent of the response is a slap or punch. The exceptions are criminals and lumpen but they're always looking for an excuse to mug someone for some drug money anyways. People are inherently reasonable but street kiddies (anarkiddies and fascists and whatever else) instinctively go into chimp mode which is really only a testament to how undisciplined and weak-minded they are compared to a normal person.
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▶ No.587>>600>>705

>>>/leftypol/823015
Uruguayan here. Tbh I'm quite conflicted over UPM exploitation of our country. On one hand, it is flat out imperialism as defined by Lenin. On the other, the UPM's investment into the country is providing and updating some sorely needed infrastructure into the interior of the country (like the rail line being built from Montevideo to Fray Bentos). The interior of the country has been hit hard by de-industrialisation (ie the loss of profitability of meat processing plants), so it could be an opportunity to re-proletarianise the population.

I could be just an imperialist apologist tho
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▶ No.599

Yo what extent do nordic communists support/not support the CPC?
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▶ No.600

>>587
You do need some basic infrastructure if you want to rob the country properly.
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▶ No.601

>>>/leftypol/821958
I think it'd translate as "A-team". Worth mentioning are also TAL (Tampere Anarchist Union), the Oulu Anarchist Union (plus their headline-famous armed "anarchist-priest" Árpád Kovács), and the rumored new cell in Kuopio.
"A-team" in Helsinki and the Tampere network are also members of ARNA, "Autonomous Revolutionary Nordic Alliance", which is a network connecting together Nordic organizations. Exactly what, I do not know.
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▶ No.604

>>576
>Leve Frank Baude
Leve Andreas Malm! Med sitt tal om ”Ekologisk krigskommunism är vår enda räddning” kommer han att skrämma bort många.

t. Mohammed bin Salman
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▶ No.605

>>>/leftypol/825057
vådligt baserat
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▶ No.662>>664

>>577
>modern Russia literally started out as tax collectors for the tatars
while actually forming a unified Russian state on the ashes of the steamrolled Rus' Gardarika so they could kick the Horde out. This is why Moscow became the capital of Moscovia/Russia — it started to consolidate everything around it instead of keeping the eternal slav tradition of shitflinging with every neighborhood it knows about despite being someones bitch.
Such retarded way of thinking produces something like "Anglos are vikings because they got fucked up pretty often by vikings. Wow guys look at these norse barbarians now".
>Pretty famous red commander
Are you implying cossacks couldn't be fighting for bolsheviks?
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▶ No.664

>>662
>Are you implying cossacks couldn't be fighting for bolsheviks?
Are you retarded or just have no reading comprehension? My point was that Chapaev wasn't and that shashka was quite widespread amond russians as whole and not only cossacks.
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▶ No.666>>705

>>>/leftypol/819842
Just found out something.
>The first sabres arrived in Europe with the Magyars
>Magyars are of Uralic language family
>Which includes Finns
>Some Finns are hating some slav neighbours and use a sabre symbol to prove that they are barbarians
Damn you guys are autistic.
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▶ No.676>>677>>702

Wouldnit it be incredibly based if all the nordic countries formed a military union and developed a nuclear arsenal? Then we could have true neutrality and not have to sell it out or be invaded like we did the last great war.
The risk of nukes being dropped anywhere on scandinavia would also be lowered if any belligerents knew we could guard our neutrality with nukes
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▶ No.677

>>676
Nukes and other weapons are always will be targeted at countries that have the ability to retaliate. No one gonna nuke Nigeria, for example. So while you are increasing your strength and ability to stand up to threats, you will also paint a target on yourself.
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▶ No.700>>704

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Ok men hur ska socialism lösa neger,babbe, bög och judefrågan?
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▶ No.702>>703

>>676
This is basically what the "Socialist" Left party and the Red Party in Norway are trying to do
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▶ No.703

>>544
based brothers
>>702
down with kings. socialist republics now.
>>>/leftypol/825716
Maoists tend to be up there with the MLs and MLMs for me
>>>/leftypol/825748
>soviet russian peoples kommissars including lenin, stalin and trotsky recognize Finnish independence
>we attack soviet russia multiple times to destabilize and annex karelia but fail
>soviet union accommodates this in a new deal of territory with Finnish Democratic Republic
>we reject it, be allies with Nazi Germany to see our dream of greater finland come through
>we get destroyed, lose more territory and end up having to also fight the same germans we allied with previously in lapland war
in short, our bourgeoisie and the "white" leading parties were just severely retarded and fascism couldnt defeat the subhuman communist scum
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▶ No.704

>>700
Neger här. Brottslighet ska straffas med hårt arbete, bör bygga några läger uppe i lappland.

Bögar har ofta ett småborgerligt tankesätt så dom kommer nog stryka med.

Judarna kommer inte ha mer makt än nån annan i en planekonomi.
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▶ No.705

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>>666
Look, that's just how it is. Everyone in our countries has some slight version of autism going on. It's in the Finnish culture or some shit like that. Finns are mongols and hungarians used to be huns. The myth revolving around our finno-ugric peoples is amazeballs.
>>587
bruh we just like trees, give us your trees
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>>706
Is this from that facebook page "Bra Kommunistisk[b]t[/b] Propaganda" or something like that? It was gone last time I checked. They had some really funny shit on there.
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▶ No.708

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>>707
Yeah it's gone. I'll see if I have anything more
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▶ No.715>>731>>732

>>706
Använder kommunister borgerligt på samma sätt pol använder degenerant?
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▶ No.725>>726>>727>>728>>729>>750>>769>>888>>909>>2341>>2368>>2544

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Funny news from Finland:

In July there was a violent attack against Pekka Kataja, who is a regional leader of Persussuomalaiset (right wing fascist party, the second largest party in Finland). He was attacked by two men at his home, beaten in the head brutally with some blunt object. News said it was a hammer, but it was most likely a baton or something, since a hammer would leave your head totally smashed after +10 hits. Mr. Kataja almost died and it is considered an attempted murder. After the attack he claimed the attackers looked like Arabs but later withdrew that statement. Other fascists went crazy blaming immigrants and left-wingers.

Finally, last friday the attackers were arrested. They were no Arabs or lefties, but his Finnish fellow fascists. The other is a former member of the same Perussomalaiset party who was later kicked out. The other guy is a leader of a fringe radical fascist alliance "Kansallismielisten Liittouma" (a liaison organisaton that brings together ethnonationalists, fascists, neo-nazis and other scum from different organisations). Few weeks ago he organised a "White lives matter" rally with his group. He's also connected to Soldiers of Odin.

Right now the radical right wing is losing their shit and it's fucking hilarious. I hope we see more of these scumbags attacking and killing each other :D
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▶ No.726

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>>725
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▶ No.727

>>725
Can confirm, pretty ebin. Wouldnt it be funny if the anti-antifa finns party turned antifa
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▶ No.728>>1162

>>725
Pity they were to weak to finish the job even with a hammer. Guess those soldiers of odin don't lift noting heavier than a spoon.
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▶ No.729>>730>>750

>>725
I wouldn't call PS "fascists", they're more like a gang of dogwhistling nationalist populists among which actual fascists like to hide among, but yeah. It's fun to see the actual fash raging and railing against the one marketable thing they've got going for them, just because it's not perfectly as they'd like it to be.
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▶ No.730>>736>>744

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>>729
>Nah, bro, they're not fascists. They just look, sound, act, and talk like them.
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▶ No.731

>>715
Antingen borgerligt eller dekadent
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▶ No.733>>747

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"Violence is an underrated way of problem-solving nowadays." - Jussi Halla-aho, leader of the fascist PS
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▶ No.734>>737>>740

Varför snackas de engelska här? Bort med ostburgarna.
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▶ No.735

God I can’t wait for the islamicfication of the nords besides Swedistan Inshallah
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▶ No.736>>741

>>730
Make an argument anyday
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▶ No.737>>739

>>734
>Let's discuss in English, so we can all understand each other (I don't want this to become a circle jerk for Swedes only).
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▶ No.739>>743

>>737
Neger
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▶ No.740

>>734
We don't speak Swedish in Finland.
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▶ No.741

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>>736
lol, pay me no mind, comrade, I'm just shitposting.
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▶ No.743

>>739
>>>/flashback/
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▶ No.744

>>730
Most of them are pretty fucking lame and apathetic.
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▶ No.747

>>733
lol this dude looks like he forgot to take his zinc
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▶ No.749>>860

Anyone got opinions on Norway's Rødt?
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▶ No.750>>751

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>>725
What makes this situation even funnier is that many leading members of Perussuomalaset don't want to condemn the attackers and are infact defending them - even though they tried to murder a member of their party! The victim is from the old school populist wing who are not fans of the radical ethonationalist/fascist mainstream wing of the party. Now the fascist wing is making up excuses and trying to shift the blame to somewhere else and whitewash the attackers.

>>729
Maybe 5 yars ago Perussuomalaiset were not a fascist party but they sure as hell are now. They try to keep their extremist rhetoric down but every week they say something that proves them fascist. Earlier this year their member Toni Jalonen went to Estonia to a fascist conference and declared to be a fascist publicly on tape. They kicked him out of the party for few weeks and them took him back.
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▶ No.751>>767

>>750
That's actually hilarious. When Utoya happened our Swedish fash were very quick to blame the radical Muslim hordes, and then it turned out to be Breivik.
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▶ No.767

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>>751
Same happened in Finland. Fascists went crazy declaring the mass murder as the worst thing ever and blaming muslims. When the truth came out they all went quiet. In his manifesto Breivik actually quoted/mentioned Jussi Halla-aho, who is now the leader of Perussuomalaiset. Breivik also sent his manifesto via email to him IIRC. Nowadays the Finnish fascists (including Perussuomalaiset) love Breivik and praise him anonymously oniline but ofcourse can't do it publicly.
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▶ No.769

>>725
>Right now the radical right wing is losing their shit and it's fucking hilarious. I hope we see more of these scumbags attacking and killing each other :D
No, you don't want that. Because it can trigger revenge against "perps".
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▶ No.858>>861>>862>>889

Vad är vänsterpols ide för hur man löser integrationen? Vilket ansvar lägger man på staten, invandrarna och svenskarna?
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▶ No.860>>863

>>749
I am a member of the Red Party. I can answer any questions you may have
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▶ No.861>>889

>>858
>Vad är vänsterpols ide för hur man löser integrationen? Vilket ansvar lägger man på staten, invandrarna och svenskarna?

Fyra förslag från toppen av mitt huvud:

1) Gör svenska spännande igen.
Integrationen sker via språket. Och språket får inte vara kastrerade modefraser bara en liten grupp kan hänga med i och behärska. Svenska författare som Lagerlöf, Heidenstam, Söderberg och Ström är en bra början. Sedan finns det alltid författare som passar bra i översättning, typ King. Översatta böcker har dessutom fördelen att de kan användas i annan språkundervisning genom att jämföra översättningarna om man vill vara lite överkurs.

2) Gör företagen städa sina toaletter igen.
Inhyrda städföretag är mer som plåsterlappar man bara flyttar runt. I detta avsnitt av The Neoliberal Podcast (häng inte upp er på politiska etiketter, den låter nästan sossig, och då har jag inte nämnt avsnittet där de diskuterar dagis och föräldraledighet XD) berättades det om hur schemaläggningen sätts automatiskt via algoritmer från vecka till vecka, så folk kan inte planera sina liv:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-neolib-podcast/e/77724217

Slutsatsen dras inte i avsnittet, men jag ser fragmenterade och oförutsägbara scheman som ett slags minfält. De fungerar just pg.a. oförutsägbarhet. Det är något helt annat än att något är öppet minerat.

3) Gör (stor)företagen betala sina räkningar på 30 dagar.
Det är en väldigt enkel åtgärd som uppskattas kunna skapa 100000 nya jobb.

4) Gör skolan tråkig igen.
Modern teknik i all ära, men datorisering kan drivas för långt. Dels när lärare måste fylla i massa rapporter via program med värdelöst gränssnitt. Dels för att datorer inte lär fokus på riktigt. De senaste 10 åren har waldorfskolor varit en grej för teknikjättarnas ledarsikt i USA, just för att de saknar datorer. Waldorfpedagogik kanske är att ta i, men det finns säkert andra datorlösa skolor.
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▶ No.862>>1105

>>858
Finns ju ett antal lösningar som tyvärr egentligen bara går att lösa i en svensk socialistisk rådsrepublik.

1) Gemensammma ytor och tillgänglig kultur: gratis/svinbilliga sport- och kulturutövning tillgängligt för alla. Prio på ytor man får vara på utan att behöva betala (krossa galleriaekonomin)

Inga spexiga årsvis projekt, bara välfungerande tillgänglig kärnverksamhet.

2) Den som icke arbetar skall icke äta. Alla i arbetsför ålder skall ha grundlagsstadgad rätt till ett respektabelt arbete, men inga gibs till någon i arbetsför ålder som inte är sjuk/handikappad.

3) Omedelbart upphörande av en massa kulturbidrag till wahabbister och annat skit.
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▶ No.863>>877

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>>860
gimme a comprehensive overview of your party's ideology, red nord
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▶ No.877>>879

>>863
It is hard to say, because what is the ideology locally may be entirely different from the central comitee. For my local chapter it is Marxist (the leader himself is a leftcom).
However the central comitee is more demsoc/socdem and while our party democracy is well robust, which makes it very hard for social democratic tendencies to take over the party wholesale (even though some may argue it already has), the full focus on electoralism rather than trying to maintain a balance between theory and electoralism makes me worried for the future. Our leader Bjørnar Moxnes unites the party in all tendencies, but when he steps down. Who will lead the party forward? What ideology will succeed?
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▶ No.878>>893

hur tänker vi angående kirunasvenskarna här?
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▶ No.879>>880

>>877
hopefully maoists or some other MLs. IIRC the AKP was a maoist party which became a part of Red Party
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▶ No.880>>893

>>879
I know one of the Maoist veterans from AKP personally, and while they are maintaining the theory element of the party. They are not providing the solutions needed to make the party grow when it stagnated and almost wiped away in the 80s to the early 00s. Personally I believe the solution should be that the argument for socialism should be that only a socialist state could maintain or rather go beyond the welfare state that we have today. Essentially as socialists we should frame the conversation that only *our* system can maintain the lifestyle that Norwegians can have today, and that right now our welfare state is in a collapse.
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▶ No.881

>>>/leftypol/829982
the dude probably needs money to live, and he found it on the right
plus narcissism
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▶ No.888

>>725
atfirst I was going to say the antifa comrades were based but this is even better. wish they did this type of stuff more often.
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▶ No.889

>>861
>>858
5) Gör skadestånd svida på riktigt
Låga skadestånd är värre än inga skadestånd, för det är ett billigt sätt att köpa sig fri. Jag tror att enda rimliga sättet att höja det på är via prejudikat. Jag har glömt bort vad han och organisationen heter, men det är någon moderat som driver medborgarrätt via juridiska processer. Jag anser att låga skadestånd vid död och personskada på arbetet är en medborgarrättsfråga.

Hur det skulle gå till vet jag inte. Men jag antar att facken o deras tidningar sitter på matnyttig information. Ett samarbete med honom vore intressant. Inte för att han skulle kunna driva alla de fallen i process, men det kanske skulle övertyga honom om att driva något framtida fall.
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▶ No.893>>905

>>880
>right now our welfare state is in a collapse
imperialism is a bitch. it won't be enough to maintain welfare capitalism. we've warned the socdems about this enough times.
>>878
vad menar du
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▶ No.905>>906

>>893
är det en liberal skröna, ett symptom på hur det sovjetiska systemet såg ut, finns det någon slags förmildrande omständigheter för vad som hände från er synvinkel?
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▶ No.906

>>905
Sjöstedt har sagt det alla visste i snart 100 år: Att SKP mörklade.

En intressant sak är att Vänsterpartiet själva har sponsrat forskning kring deras öden:

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirunasvenskarna#Forskning_om_kirunasvenskarnas_%C3%B6den

&ltÅr 2005 lade forskaren Anders Gustafsson vid Södertörns högskola i Stockholm fram sin rapport om de svenska Sovjetemigranterna med medel från Stiftelsen Vänsterpartiet. Rapport innehåller i sedvanlig ordning akademisk fotnoter och källhänvisningar. Han har studerat alla protokoll för Sveriges kommunistiska partis centralkommitté från tidigt 1920-tal till sent 1930-tal. Syftet var att däri undersöka och få svar på hur kommunistpartiet hade agerat då det svarade på de nästan dagliga förfrågningar om ekonomisk och praktisk hjälp att emigrera till Sovjetunionen. I protokollen visas genomgående att inte bara tidiga företrädare för SKP såsom Fredrik Ström utan också den senare Sven Linderot utan undantag nekade denna hjälp. Istället uppmanade de alla kommunister och partisympatisörer att stanna i Sverige för att kämpa för en egen socialistisk republik.

Så att täcka upp för SKP, Lenin & Stalin på 1920-30-talet år 2020 är kullen bara larpare kan vilja dö på.
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▶ No.907>>913

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Finnish Supreme Court banned the Nordic Resistance Movement today.
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▶ No.909>>910>>911

>>725
>get beaten up by your fellow fash
>still blame arabs
Maybe one could play it off as brain damage but this is fucking hilarious. Did the attackers deny or own their actions?
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▶ No.910>>912

>>909
The attackers are arrested and have not been able to give statements to public (as far as I know). But before they got caught the other attacker took part in twitter conversation about the beating and speculated that it was probably the victims own fault because he had not kissed some nazis ass.
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▶ No.911>>912

>>909
It may actually have been brain damage or shock, since he blamed it on Arabs on the way to the hospital. To his credit, he did correct his statement soon after receiving treatment and said he suspected it was fascists.

Some of his recent comments were unambiguously hilarious, though. He claimed this attack proved that his party isn't far-right, and that they're in fact victims of the far-right. Meanwhile, journalists have dug up dozens of connections between members of his party and the other attacker's fascist organization.
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▶ No.912>>915

>>911
>>910
Ah okay that makes more sense.

> He claimed this attack proved that his party isn't far-right, and that they're in fact victims of the far-right.
Lmao are they gonna pretend sectarianism isn't a thing? Are people buying it?
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▶ No.913

>>907
listing the things this will change:
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▶ No.915

>>912
I don't think so. Like the other Anon said, these people literally can't go a week without saying something massively racist in public. Their latest involved a regional party chief posting a picture of two of his pigs he had named after black politicians and talking about how he's going to kill them soon.
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▶ No.925

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https://youtu.be/Tg_DDMiSP98
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▶ No.932>>1126

Burger here thinking about applying to grad school in Iceland. Does anyone know if the universities are shit or not? And what's it like to be a Marxist in Reykjavik?
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▶ No.940>>941

Outsider here, what is the class composition of Red Party in Norway and how is it different from the SV Party?
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▶ No.941>>942>>1153

>>940
Red Party Member here
The party base class composition is workers like people who work in the oil fields, drive busses and so on and they are trying to recruit more workers into the party. However the issue is that most workers dont have time to go upwards in the party so academics are more prominent in the leadership, at the same time party democracy is a mitigating effect of this. They also have a party tax, which means you often have to pay around 30-50% of your income to your party if you are public official (the income of the public official that is, not your total income), which also incentivizes workers to take those positions.
SV is much more skewed towards academics, but they do have some workers in some local areas in public offices.
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▶ No.942>>943

>>941
But what is so different between the two that they are two separate parties?
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▶ No.943>>944>>1147

>>942
The largest difference is participation in a government with Blairite Labour Party in Norway. Whereas the Red Party has said that in (almost) any circumstance not go into government with Labour. SV has said it is running on getting a broad coalition with all parties in the opposition.
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▶ No.944>>945

>>943
Is that really a deal breaker? That your vote for a left wing party be a protest/purity vote?

I don't live in a country with Proportional Representation so I am genuinely asking
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▶ No.945>>948

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>>944
Yes. Because the nature in being in a government vs confident/supply is much more different. In a confident/supply you are only voting with the government only if you agree with what they are doing. If you are in the government you are forced to vote for everything the government does. Case in point the bombing of Libya, New Public Managment, the bombing of F.R Yugoslavia and so on. All of this SV is complicit in. At the same time SV does not teach it members any theory, it does not desire to push the capitalist system in any way. In my eyes it is a social democratic party. Now with that being said if there were such a case that SV was against going into the government or the Red Party going into the government, then I would advocate for them to fuse with each other.
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▶ No.948>>949>>950

>>945
So the proper socialist line would be to be in confident/supply with any Labour government?
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▶ No.949>>1316

>>948
In my opinion, in the current situation yes. Of course electoralism isnt the end all and be all for socialism in Norway, but it is none the less important.
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▶ No.950>>1316

>>948
Of course your country might have different conditions, but it is up to you to use the toolbox of marxism to find out what is the correct action
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▶ No.955>>1446>>1448

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Det här ledarsticket är intressant:

https://www.etc.se/ledare/vanstern-har-forlorat-pa-alla-former-av-postmodernism

&ltPlötsligt var allt det jag trott på sedan tidiga tonår ifrågasatt: Jämlikhetstanken, den engagerade författaren, den rationella övertygelsen om att argument i slutändan väger tyngre än status eller identitet. Under loppet av ett årtionde vreds fokus bort från samhällsfrågor och kom alltmer att handla om estetik.

&ltHorace Engdahl blev introduktören av de nya idéerna och det han i artikel efter artikel hävdade var att den engagerade författarens tid var förbi och att den som har avsikter, i synnerhet politiska sådana, med sitt skrivande förråder litteraturens själ.

&ltJag minns stämningarna i de litterära kretsarna och på universitetet. Att tala om rapportböcker, dagspolitik, för att inte tala om grå lönestatistik eller naturvetenskap, blev under de där åren snabbt något som betraktades som närapå löjeväckande. Realism och berättande avfärdades. Att en roman skulle kunna tänkas uttrycka en erfarenhet hos en människa, en klass, ett kön sågs plötsligt som en suspekt idé. Allt som liknade arbetarlitteratur föll i vanrykte.

&lt/…/

&ltHans stora poäng är att den i grunden reaktionära sågning av förnuft och rationalitet som postmodernismen stod för, snart muterar och blir ett redskap för en ny akademisk vänster som anammar de förnuftskritiska tankestråken. Och han har delvis rätt här: Jag har aldrig trott på de teoretiska anspråken hos de akademiker som trott sig vara oerhört radikala när de sysslat med postkolonial eller intersektionell teori. Varför? Det är exempelvis helt uppenbart att dessa teorier fick stora delar av vänstern att länge blunda för förekomsten av hederskultur. Och man vägrade se att ett sekels kamp för kvinnors rättigheter i många västländer faktiskt betytt något. Intresset blev större för ”diskurser”, alltså hur det talas om saker och ting, än för verkligheten själv.

Dock så verkar det inte finnas någon självkritik hos honom. För jag får ingen känsla av hur det var i litteraturkretsarna innan postmodernismen, annat än en misstanke om att det kunde ha varit rejält tråkigt. I synnerhet om estetiken alltid måste vara underordnad andra saker. Och det framstår som ganska naturligt att efter ca 13-15 år efter 1968 så kunde vänstern inte längre köra på bensinångor. För att det bara handlade om Engdalh köper jag inte.
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▶ No.964>>965>>966>>988>>1447

Why did Finland hate Russia before the Soviet Union? If anything they should hate Sweden more for colonizing them, turning them into serfs, expropriating their resources, etc. Is it just because of the isoviha?
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▶ No.965>>968

>>964
Yo where's your source to back that up?
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▶ No.966>>967

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>>964
I used to have two friends who used to argue for either side being better than the other, Swedes or Russians. I'm guessing we were fucked by both and our Swedish rule had been long gone ever since independence came, meaning we care a lot less about it, also same power bloc to us as opposed to Russia which is often gazed upon with fear from us. We're not afraid of Swedes. Also our media is picrelated
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>>966
If you two are talking about the times around the end of the empire yes of course there was going to be some sour feelings with the attempts to russify Finland.
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▶ No.968>>969

>>965
Source for what? This is general Finnish history.
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▶ No.969>>970>>971

>>968
Just when and what finns it was hating Russia
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▶ No.970>>972

>>967
Forgot Nicholas II. Thanks for ending that, bolsheviks.
>>969
Please, can I have a fully formed sentence in this trying time?
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▶ No.971>>972>>994>>997

>>969
Finns apparently hate Russia for at least the isoviha of the early 1700s, where as Wikipedia puts it:

>After the victory in Battle of Storkyro, Mikhail Golitsyn was appointed the governor of Finland. Finns began waging partisan warfare against the Russians. As retaliation, the Finnish peasants were forced to pay large contributions to the occupying Russians (as was the custom in that time). Plundering and raping was widespread, especially in Ostrobothnia and in communities near the major roads. Churches were looted, Isokyrö was burned to the ground. A scorched earth zone several hundred kilometers wide was burned to hinder Swedish counteroffensives. At least 5,000 Finns were killed and some 10,000 taken away as slaves, of whom only a few thousand would ever return; According to newer research, the amount of those killed is closer to 20,000. Newer research also estimates the number of slaved children and women to be closer to 30,000.

My question was whether this justifies the level of Russia hate that Finns felt before even the Soviet Union and the Winter War and all. This was one case, which is compared to hundreds of years of Swedish colonialism.
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▶ No.972

>>970
If you don't get that you're just dumb

>>971
Well, the Finns rose a statue dedicated to Tsar Alexander II in Helsinki so I don't think there was a continuous hatred ever since the Russian invasion unless you've something pointing towards that. As for the hatred against tsar russia Nicholas II attacked Finnish autonomy and tried to bring it more in line with the rest of Russia which spurred plenty of nationalist anger, like the Assassination I posted earlier.
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▶ No.973

>>>/leftypol/905140
>faith, not works
yuck. I'm not even a christian and I find this to be a cop-out. also, who the hell would use white font with a background like that?
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▶ No.988

>>964
Exactly the opposite – serfdom never developed in Finland or Sweden. Instead we see standardisation of Finnish language and spread of Finns into east as a part of Swedish state-Lutheranism.
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▶ No.991>>992>>993

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>>>/leftypol/825230
It's truly uncanny. We Finns post in English even to each other about topics specifically having to do with Finland if we know foreigners might be interested. Meanwhile, Scandinavians can revert back to their language mid-convo, even IRL. I was in Norway for a film festival, and the Norwegians who had invited me would just switch between Norwegian and English. I explained I 'm a mongolian tribesman from the strange and foreign land beyond the Urals, and thus don't speak their noble tongue.

NO FUCKING EFFECT

The strange thing is, they were really interested in Finland, and would ask me all kinds of questions. They found it really exotic. I just had to guess what they were saying like 1/3 of the time based on my rusty Swedish.

Explain yourselves Scandinavians! Are you literally autistic?

>inb4 someone answers to me in fucking Danish
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▶ No.992>>993

>>991
My pet theory is that Danes inflict their fucking languages on unsuspecting bystanders as some kind of weird form of terrorism.
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>>971
I'm not sure there was huge Russia hate among the general Finnish population. I think most of the anti-Russian sentiments among bourgeis and fascist nationalists is simply the unavoidable result of the founding myths of their beliefs. All nationalists need a bad guy, and Russians are a stand in.

If Finnish nationalists had anything resembling a spine, they would indeed hate Sweden more. But not only are they spineless, they secretly wish they were Swedish, or "norse" to be more precise. Just look at groups like "Soldiers of Odin". What the fuck does Odin have to do with Finland? Often these fags also utilize faux-norse symbolism in their propaganda, and there are all kinds of amateur history larpers trying to establish some tenuous link between Finns and ancient norse cultures. It's literal "WE WHUZ VIKINGZ 'N SHIEEEET" tier cringe fest. The actual roots of Fenno-Ugric peoples are a secret source of shame and self hatred to them, I believe, since there's not much there to build a self image as some great warrior tribe.

**UNLESS YOU EMBRACE THE TRUTH AND KNEEL BEFORE THE GREAT KHAN!==
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▶ No.995

>>994
Sorry about the formating bros, shamefur despray
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▶ No.996

>>994
I've started to wonder if Finnish nazis are even more retarded than Swedish nazis.
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▶ No.997>>998

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>>971
When Finland was part of Sweden, Swedes and Russians were constantly at war with each oter. And Finns were in between the two, so of course Finns were always attacked by Russians since we were Swedes in their eyes.

The Finnish ruling classes were loyal servants of Swedish kings. Finnish priests, nobles and landlords made sure that Finnish peasants were loyal to "fatherland" meaning Sweden. There was no idea of one Finnish nation or Finnish patriotism back then. Ruling classes used the "Russian threat" as a way to scare the peasants and to stay in power.

Like >>994 said, the masses in Finland never really hated Russians or even gave a shit about them. It was the nobility, bourgeoisie and other ruling classes who used to stir up hate towards Russia. Of course these same ruling classes were happy to suck the Russian dick when Finland was annexed to Russia and it was suitable for them (like Mannerheim, who was in the personal guard Tsar).
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▶ No.998

>>997
Add to all of this that 90% of the "Finnish" ruling class consisted of Swedes and Baltic/German mercenaries the Swedes (ie. the Bongs of the North) awarded with land and titles in Finland. Also, while Western Finnish tribes backed Swedes against the Russians, the Karelian tribes almost alway sided with the Russians. I cherish this oft forgotten detail, because it makes the right wing fantasies even more hollow, considering much of the accepted national mythology of Finland (that doesn't consist of desperately trying to plagiarize the Swedes) actually comes from Karelia. Kalevala, rune singin etc.
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Thoughts on this?
>>>/leftypol/901752
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▶ No.1012

>>1011
Your icons are broken at the top left.
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▶ No.1013

>>1011
Based
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▶ No.1014

>>1011
HOLY MOTHER OF BASED
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▶ No.1016>>1025

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>boss fucks up my tax card and tax bureau takes 60% of my salary
>get really fucking pissed because back breaking shitty job
>send message that i will contact union if my salary doesnt get fixed back to 3% tax
>shes anxious as fuck because army of union lawyers behind me
>get all the money in next pay check
Its good to live in a Nordic country where the working class is highly organized.
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▶ No.1023>>1031>>1032

>>1011
Orwell reports the same story making the rounds among the republicans during the Spanish Civil War and dismissed it as wishful thinking. It sounds unlikely that anyone could have organized sabotage on that scale during the few months of the Winter War, especially since Finnish leftists generally saw it as a just war of defense. You only started seeing acts of resistance during the Continuation War, and even that was mild compared to what other resistance movements were doing. If the reports of faulty shells are true, it's probably because Finland's artillery during the Winter War was badly outdated.
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▶ No.1025>>1027

>>1016
What country, what union?
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▶ No.1026>>1032

>>1011
I believe this is something you would find plenty of sources for if there was any truth to it.
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▶ No.1027

>>1025
Finland
PAU
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▶ No.1031

>>1023
This was one report though. So let's say that 7% of all armaments are sabotaged, so counting also the ones that fail to explode on their own you're bound to get a single battalion that happened to get an over-represented sample of sabotaged shells.
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>>1023
>It sounds unlikely that anyone could have organized sabotage on that scale
What scale? There is no scale mentioned anywhere. It was most likely a very small scale sabotage, I would guess few hunderd to few thousand shells at max. It would not need much organizing to do something like that in a 1930's factory.

>>1026
Author of the book says there's plenty of evidence in the Soviet War archives about the sabotage. There's no study on the subject in Finnish (and there will not be any, because Finns are so brainwashed about the "spirit of the winter war" myth bullshit). There might be Russian studies on the subject.
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▶ No.1033

>>1032
Does the author of the book show any of the Soviet archive evidence or does he just say that it exist?
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▶ No.1034

>>1032
So it might just have been a few workers of no importance at all?
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▶ No.1047>>1054>>1063

Finbros, why did the revolution fail? What do you think a succesful revolutionary strategy would look like? Protracted guerilla war in the wilds while agitating in the cities?
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▶ No.1054>>1056>>1058

>>1047
It failed because the leaders were not serious and hard enough. There was no "Cheka" to suppress counterrevolutionaries in the red areas early on. There was no organized red terror. There was bad military strategies and too sloppy discipline. German invasion sealed the Red defeat.
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>>1054
Note on the German invasion: Often the Reds are argued, in a jingoistic telling of our history, to have "sold out" their country to the Russians, but what's forgotten are the actual selling-out by the Whites to the Germans.
More or less shortly:
>Erich Ludendorff: "To place a strong monarchy headed by a German-born prince is in the interests of both Germany and German nobility, as to counteract the growing democratic and republican tendencies of our time. Conversely, a republican Finland would quickly slide into the hands of the Entente."
>August Thyssen (head of the Thyssen industrial concern) to the Reich Chancellor: "If we're unable of securing our hold on Finland, our wartime raw material supply is unsustainable and therefore the consequences to our position on the world stage unfavorable."
>In 1918 the Whites signed in Berlin an agreement which:
&ltguaranteed German political and military aid to Finland
&ltsurrendered control of Finnish foreign policy to Berlin, directly in some matters and through indirect approval in others
&ltthrough a secret protocol gave Germany the unilateral right to construct naval bases on all coasts, including the Ice Sea
&lttrough a secret trade and seafaring agreement placed the control over domestic economic policy, raw materials, and foreign trade in German hands
&ltforced Finnish markets to open up to German businesses by lowering tariffs and import taxes for German produce to a low pre-war level, without giving similar concessions to Finnish produce bound for Germany
&ltconnected the markets of the two countries on a "quid pro quo" basis, which, considering the wildly differing size of the two economies, opened up the door for German businesses to buy up Finnish industries wholesale
Unlike what some Germanophile rightoids believe, the German Baltic Sea Division didn't arrive out of their own goodness or merely out of pure military reasoning, but because the White government had sold off enough of the country for it to be a… investment worth protecting through force of arms.
Had Imperial Germany not collapsed on itself, Finland would without question have lost its independence almost the moment it gained it, merely swapping the throne of the Tsar for the seat of the Kaiser. And, well, exchanging it's surprisingly autonomous economy for a foreignly dominated one, becoming in a sense—and quite amusingly—less independent than before.
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▶ No.1057

>>1056
>"the Ice Sea"
I meant to say "the Arctic Ocean".
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▶ No.1058>>1062>>1070>>1144

>>1054
>It failed because the leaders were not serious and hard enough. There was no "Cheka" to suppress counterrevolutionaries in the red areas early on.
Interesting take. I'm asking this question because I'm currently reading Fidel Castro's autobiography, and he very clearly argues that one of the pricipal reasons the Cuban revolution was a success was their restraint and what he calls "revolutionary ethics". He explicitly talks about this in strategic rather than moralistic terms. He states that they only shot traitors who led Battista's forces to them, banned robberies and treated even the enemy combatants well. He says this not only grows your support among the populace, but lowers the enemy morale. In the end, even many enemy commanders respected Castro and his rebels. According to Castro, terror and overly brutal acts of repression comes at a higher cost than what it's worth. He's also critical of Stalin and the bolsheviks on account of purges and hamfisted repression, again, from a strategical basis. It's worth noting that Castro praises Stalin for his achievements. I'd take all of this very seriously from a man who started out with only a handful of men and waged most of his war from the mountains.

>>1056
Thanks toveri.I've been interested in tve morachy project lately. What sources do you recommend?
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>>1056
The coalition party has been a detriment to the independence and freedom of the finnish people from its inception to this day. They deserve to all be fucking executed for the crimes they've all committed. None are innocent.
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▶ No.1062>>1068

>>1058
Finnish and Cuban revolutions are hardly comparable. Finnish revolution was an actual class war where the whole population was divided in two camps, while in Cuba it was basically guerrilla bands vs unpopular puppet government. In Finland the revolution started in the large industrial cities, in Cuba it was rebels hiding in countryside.
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>>1047
O. W. Kuusinen (one of the Red leaders in 1918 and later a CPSU member) wrote a good self criticism on the 1918 revolution: >>>/leftypol/663290
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▶ No.1065

Hej vänner!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBWO-6Gm35w
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▶ No.1066

>>1032
This kind of source seems like one that would have been translated long ago if there was any truth and relevance to it
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▶ No.1067>>3759

>>1032
If anything, you'd think the Finnish bourgeoisie would love that story because the winter war is so ideologically important. What could be better than evidence showing how your opponents betrayed the Finnish Maiden at her moment of direst need?
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▶ No.1068>>1142

>>1062
>In Finland the revolution started in the large industrial cities, in Cuba it was rebels hiding in countryside.

What does this have to do with the usefulness of terror as a strategic tool?
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▶ No.1069

hans namn var Tommie Lindh
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>>1058
>>1061
That specific section comes from Markku Kuisma's "Rosvoparonien Paluu: Raha ja valta Suomen historiassa" ("The Return of the Robber Barons: Money and power in Finnish history"). He's got a PhD in history from and is currently a professor at the University of Helsinki, which makes him quite a solid source for a such a relatively niche topic as Finnish economic history. His contributions to the field have also gained recognition from the Finnish Society of Sciences.
On top of it all, he's also based. And, I'm a bit ashamed for not having read more from him.

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markku_Kuisma
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▶ No.1105

>>862
Gratis sport? Varför går du inte bara på damidrott då, din dumma jävla transhora?
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▶ No.1109

Why are we in Nordic? I want to go into Finland+Baltic, much better there than here.
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▶ No.1110

>>>/leftypol/935765
>This post was written by spindly lanky arms.
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>>>/leftypol/935765
Meneppä nyt natsi vittuun täältä.
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▶ No.1113>>1136

>>>/leftypol/935765
Nazis got it 70 years ago, mate. You're always welcome for a round 2.
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▶ No.1115

>>>/leftypol/935765
Your girl gets ropes and ropes of my nut.
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▶ No.1116>>1118

>>1111
you post on leftypol???
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▶ No.1118

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>>1116
Only for this occasion. /pol/jak caused huge waves when it dropped and the aftershocks have been felt all across the bunker, including on /GET/. /pol/tards don't discriminate based on board affiliation and they've been raiding everything outside of /leftypol/ as well although to a lesser degree, so that's why I'm here.
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▶ No.1119

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>>>/leftypol/935765
Talkoo-culture is well enough for Finns, we only need to get foreign asset owners off and stop importing everything. Then we can go back to treaty based communal nation with agriculture and foraging.
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What the hell is happening in this thread
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▶ No.1125

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Great site for rare communist material in Finnish: https://marxismileninismi.wordpress.com
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▶ No.1126

>>932
They are not shit, the University of Iceland is cheaper but older and more state sponsored, the University of Reykjavík has tuitions and is mostly for the moneyed class and people who like ot pay of student loans until they die. Being a marxist in Reykjavík is ok i guess, we have a Socialist Party now and the major unions have new leadership that are openly calling out capitalists and talking about class struggles.
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>>>/leftypol/937285
>>>/leftypol/937295
Mene töihin.
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>>>/leftypol/937353
Palkka tulee 15. päivä. Oletko sä jo narkannut sun tuet?
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▶ No.1136

>>1113
>Dictatorship of the proletariat is another way to say direct democracy
big if true
Some of your post was kinda cool, but you're still going to have to go with these guys.
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▶ No.1142

>>1068
The best you could probably find would be a socdem gf
Should be trailed for treason but it is quite good for SEA politics I guess.
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▶ No.1144

>>1058
when I have some sort of power I'll do something. for now worrying about everything wont do anythuing but gie me a headache.
blah blah blah something cope keeping coper cope
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▶ No.1147

>>943
based
100% agreeing with this
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▶ No.1153

>>941
Haven't read any of her books but she has made some good points in talks occasionally. You have to get through her pretentious vocabulary first though.
How the Steel was Tetpered
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▶ No.1156>>1158

>>1127
Thoughts on US sanctions and america generally trying to fuck with your country? You're not a regular here are you? We have a Venezuelan poster here and he's supportive of Maduro and the PSUV.
>socialism is when the government owns stuff

Every fucking time, jesus christ what is so hard about just googling shit. It takes all of five minutes.
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▶ No.1158

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>>1156
Bro, I think you have mistaken me as a right-winger.

I'm from Finland and there's no US sanctions against Finland. At the moment we have a Social Democrat governmet (from Finnish perspective it's hardly left wing, but from US perspective it's hard-line communist-stalinist government).

Our country has been sucking the US dick since early 1990's. Our leaders, no matter if right or left wing, have been pro-NATO, pro-US and they have supported US war politics, sending troops to Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Majority of Finnish people are against NATO membership. Nowadays it does not mean shit, since our military has been made NATO-dependent since 1990's. Finland is basically a NATO country, it's just not official.
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▶ No.1159>>1207

>>>/leftypol/825799
you agree with me that nіggers are stupid? oh good, that's settled then
That would make you
Anon 914022c the Last Prole
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▶ No.1160>>1166

How do you guys feel about the Estonia catastrophe and the latest discoveries?
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▶ No.1162

>>728
>Does anyone know of a good book about the core teachings?
Just google Four Noble Truths and meditate on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d40tywbPEtg
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▶ No.1166

>>1160
"Feel"? Excited. Then again, as I understand it the pertinent documents will be classified until 2064 so we probably won't know what actually happened for quite some time. What we do know (since the armed forces finally conceded it) is that the Estonia was used to smuggle high-value military goods on her two previous voyages, meaning the Swedish government and military willingly used some 1000 civvies as human shields. Pretty nasty stuff.
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▶ No.1207

>>1159
I don't see how this follows from what that anon wrote
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▶ No.1316

>>949
>>950
How different are their praxis? Also I heard Enhedslisten is your sister party and I was wondering if they are similar to SV.
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▶ No.1349>>1350>>1351>>1459>>4648>>4649

File (hide): 1608515336171.png (371.1 KB, 572x540, hmmmmmm.png)

So, my fellow /nord/s, what is the marxist-leninist perspective to the Stormcloaks and the SKyrim Civil War?
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▶ No.1350

>>1349
This non-Marxist-Leninist think Skyrim is a really shitty game. I think I got 10 hours in before I gave up.
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▶ No.1351>>1461

>>1349
The Nords are settler colonialists who are occupying ancestral Snow Elf land
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▶ No.1431>>1445>>1460

File (hide): 1608515344063.webm (3.68 MB, 480x360, Swedish State Television.webm) [play once] [loop]

Hittade denna på hårddisken, heh.
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▶ No.1445

>>1431
En upprörd bekant och trolig SD-röstare länkade mig den där för nåt år sen som nåt slags bevis för "galen vänster!!!" utan att fatta grejen
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▶ No.1446>>1550

>>955
Bra fynd, mycket intressant artikel. Känns som allt fler av den gamla skolan börjar revoltera mot den borgerliga identitetspolitiska sörjan.

Tror dock det är för sent för svensk vänster, om man inte ter sig till vänsterpopulism av det slag som Markus Allard förespråkar. Men har svårt att se det skulle få ordentligt genomslag tyvärr.
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▶ No.1447

>>964
Sweden didn't turn them into serfs or stole their resources, they were full citizens, with the same rights as swedes who had some of the best conditions for peasants in the world at time. Infact serfdom was not really a thing in Sweden which is pretty unique for Europe.

Also swedes didn't colonize Finland, swedes lived on the coastlines there probably before finno-ugrics, as far as we know they lived mostly peacefully with most likely occasional warring and raiding as was common back then.
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▶ No.1448>>1512

>>955
han ser lite lustig ut den där göran greider, men han har en hel del vettiga åsikter faktiskt
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▶ No.1449>>1457>>1554

File (hide): 1608515345898.mp4 (8.81 MB, 640x360, Cambodia Is Liberated Swed….mp4) [play once] [loop]

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▶ No.1457

>>1449
Beautiful
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▶ No.1458

>>490 (OP)
so you have fucking finland but not iceland?
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▶ No.1459

>>1349
stormcloaks are literal nazis
imperial just wants to grill
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▶ No.1460

>>1431
the original unironically slaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP0Vyx5BdzI
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▶ No.1461>>1502

>>1351
retarded take.
Nords settled Skyrim as a people. They are as colonialist as say the Native Americans (remember they came from Asia and settled down?). Snow Elves enslaved the Nords and Nedic people and they revolted and drove the Falmer underground.
Stormcloaks were formed during the Great War to suppress the Forsworn rebellion.
Also Skyrim is not only Snow Elf land it was also Dwemer.
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▶ No.1495>>1496>>1500>>1503

Då har Rasmus Paludan blivit svensk medborgare och ska i egen utsago gå på koranbränningsturne i sverige
undrar hur det kommer gå
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▶ No.1496

>>1495
En kvalificerad gissning är väl att det inte kommer gå så bra.
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▶ No.1500>>1522

>>1495
Tänker han bli nästa Lennart Bladh? :-/

En power move från muslimerna vore att låta honom bli det. En upprörd muslimsk kvinna i slöja + massa fnissande ungdomar är bättre än unga män som har uppror. Sedan kan Järnbastionen säga exakt vad de vill.

https://jarnbastionen.blogspot.com/2020/09/rosengard-det-handlar-om-klasskamp.html
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▶ No.1502

>>1461
>They are as colonialist as say the Native Americans (remember they came from Asia and settled down?).
I never play Skyrim but I am pretty sure Native Americans were the first to arrive to a land with no other humans.

Did the Nords settled lands already occupied by Snow Elves?
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▶ No.1503>>1516

>>1495
Vad är det med Paludan som får mig att vilja dyka upp med en bergsprängare som spelar dålig vit makt-musik samtidigt som jag häller i mig folköl och heilar?
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▶ No.1512>>1522

>>1448
>han ser lite lustig ut den där göran greider, men han har en hel del vettiga åsikter faktiskt
När han är bra så är han faktiskt riktigt bra. När han är dålig så är han väldigt meh. Men som sitt sämsta är han ofta kortfattad och långt ifrån att vara lika illa som Myrdal.
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▶ No.1516>>1549

>>1503
Gör det, fikus.
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▶ No.1522>>1549

File (hide): 1608515352604.jpg (86.12 KB, 1280x720, mpv-shot0003.jpg)

>>1500
>Lennart Bladh
F

>>1512
det är en grotescoreferens kamrat
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▶ No.1549

>>1516
>Gör det, fikus.
Hakar du på sen, gullet?

>>1522
>det är en grotescoreferens kamrat
Ah.
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▶ No.1550

>>1446
>Bra fynd, mycket intressant artikel. Känns som allt fler av den gamla skolan börjar revoltera mot den borgerliga identitetspolitiska sörjan.
Den kanske är borgerlig, men det är lustigt att det främst är borgare som dampar om "identitetspolitik" och "postmodernism".

>Tror dock det är för sent för svensk vänster, om man inte ter sig till vänsterpopulism av det slag som Markus Allard förespråkar. Men har svårt att se det skulle få ordentligt genomslag tyvärr.
Nog bäst att låtsas om att varken han eller Kyeune existerar. De lyfts bara fram av en borgerlighet som vill dabba på sossarna utan att ens behöva sätta sig in i vad historiematerialism är.
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▶ No.1552>>1553>>1558

Speak English you fuckers
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▶ No.1553>>1558

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>>1552
>pleas-a speak-a engrish
>t.
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▶ No.1554>>1571

>>1449
name of the song/group?
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▶ No.1558>>1559

File (hide): 1608515355674.jpeg (295.73 KB, 1196x636, 723F3ED9-AAD5-4726-A232-9….jpeg)

>>1552
>>1553
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▶ No.1559>>1560>>1562>>1573>>1579

>>1558
What does this meme mean
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▶ No.1560>>1572>>1573

>>1559
It's a contemporary realistic painting from the 1700's depicting life in Finland, which was then part of Sweden.
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▶ No.1562>>1572

>>1559
It shows Finns, who are depicted as peasants. The Swedish Caroleans are carrying a sack of taxes presumably taken from Finnish peasants, while laughing at their predicament. Finland used to be part of Sweden for a very long time. Basically it is making fun of Finns.
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▶ No.1571

>>1554
Kambodja är befriat by De förenade FNL-grupperna (1975)
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▶ No.1572

>>1560
>>1562
Ah, thanks IKEA bros.
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▶ No.1573>>1591>>1599

File (hide): 1608515356890.jpg (339.58 KB, 1920x1108, saving soumi souls.jpg)

>>1559
To expand upon what >>1560 said, Swedes are a common motif in Finnish art. Here's some more.
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▶ No.1579

File (hide): 1608515357469.png (211.55 KB, 1196x636, kara boga.png)

>>1559
It's a rework of a meme about Ottoman Rule in the Balkans. It is about the Swedish rule of Finland
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▶ No.1591>>1799

>>1573
Have more of these? I've been meaning to build up my Finnish art collection from those times.
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▶ No.1599

>>1573
Hahaha, perkele.
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▶ No.1788>>1789>>1817

File (hide): 1608515374916.jpg (65.52 KB, 680x438, 121364438_394435161553319_….jpg)

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▶ No.1789

>>1788
>>1788
Good to see them not being so cringe for once. So now there is a confidence crisis?
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▶ No.1799

File (hide): 1608515375830.png (176.54 KB, 1054x620, folkskola för finnar.png)

>>1591
Here you go, kamrat.
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▶ No.1800>>1818

File (hide): 1608515375969.png (14.85 KB, 300x341, Kommunistiska_partiet_logo….png)

Vad tycker ni om Kommunistiska Partiet? Kom just hem från en studiecirkel i en lokal avdelning, hyfsat /mysigt
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▶ No.1817>>1857

>>1788
I don't get it, I thought all three were in a coalition?
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▶ No.1818

>>1800
Helt ok för att vara Marxist-Leninister.
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▶ No.1857

>>1817
>I don't get it, I thought all three were in a coalition?
No, S and MP had to drop V to get C and L on board because le spoopy communists. In reality V are succdem these days.
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▶ No.2139>>2162

File (hide): 1608515407632.jpeg (52.26 KB, 728x388, hamid.jpeg)

tror vi alla kan känna igen oss i Hamids skriverier
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▶ No.2158>>2243

File (hide): 1608515409585.jpg (449.05 KB, 1280x1649, Death fo fascism.jpg)

In late September the "Nordic Resistance Movement" was banned in Finland by the Supreme court. Few weeks later, in early October, the illegal Nazi group held a demonstration and police didn't do anything to stop them. The pigs just watched them from 20 meters away. Meanwhile there was another peaceful demonstration by Extinction Rebellion (mostly underage teenagers) and the police used pepper spray on them and dragged them to cop cars and locked them up for a day.

And all this happened while we have a Social Democratic government (Socdems + Left Party and Green Party). The police and the nazis do what they want. The Socdems have no rule over them. Remember this when you think Social Democracy will help us to bring Communism.
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▶ No.2162

File (hide): 1608515409971.jpg (43.11 KB, 1100x713, 1602513504282.jpg)

>>2139
Jag visste inte ens att han var en grej. Hade sett hans nylle i Sverigetråden förr.

Vad som är mer intressant är varför Ebba-Elisabeth Busch Thor ser ut som en jugoslavisk gangsterdrottning från 1985.
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▶ No.2163

File (hide): 1608515410089.jpg (10.13 KB, 256x256, Svennebanan.jpg)

Lots of svennebanan going on ITT
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▶ No.2241>>7467

File (hide): 1608515418866.png (39.74 KB, 196x200, t_8309954a02ffc088ca529250….png)

Finbros, are you part of parties and other orgs? What unions do you think are the most based and worth joining? I've been thinking of getting more involved in politics, but everything looks shit. KTP is based beyond belief but their political prospects don't seem to justify the social cost of being an out-of-the-closet Marxist-Leninist (though maybe I'm just being an opportunist), SKP is a joke in poor taste, Left Alliance is a bunch of radlibs and the SDP is neolib central. Of the unions, PAM seems pretty based and represents the sector of industry I'm most likely to find employment in as a supplement to my studies.

Just want to get involved with something concrete, thinking about politics while not doing anything IRL is a path to mental illnes.
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▶ No.2243

>>2158
CRINGE!
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▶ No.2246

What do you look forward to in a union? Any particular goals?
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▶ No.2341

>>725
That's pretty hilarious. I'm a burger who's just catching up on Nordic current events, and it almost reminds me of how our own neo-fascists keep proving to be a constant albatross for Trump's movement. Whether it be in Finland or America, right-wing purity slapfights are always a great boon.
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▶ No.2368

File (hide): 1608515430744.jpg (124.2 KB, 500x586, livets_hårda_skola.jpg)

>>725
>PS scum getting rekt by infighting
How did I miss this?
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▶ No.2389>>2396>>2399>>2400

Thoughts on Palme? Obviously he was a succdem and a ML would have been infinitely preferable, but as I'm reading up on him, he seems about as based as a succdem can possibly get.
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▶ No.2391>>2394

File (hide): 1608515432498.png (219.46 KB, 598x530, Screenshot_2020-10-21 Oula….png)

Fingol right-twatter got extremely butthurt last weekend, when the leading scholar on right-wing extremism in Finland, and one of the authors behind "Suomalaiset Fasistit: Mustan Aamunkoiton Airuet" ("Finnish Fascists: Harbingers of the Black Dawn"), Oula Silvennoinen, held a lecture at the Töölö library. The event was pretty damn successful, since I've heard "#fasismi" actually became a highly trending hashtag in Finland for a couple of days.

Having been present, I can say the event was popular enough for some people to have be turned away at the door due to coronavirus restrictions. All kinds of people of all ages, too, even pensioners. The fash did manage to sneak in some kind of fat middle-aged heckler under the guise of being a "journalist" but he was too much of a coward to do anything during the actual lecture, and didn't manage much more than a couple bumbling, stupid, and passive-aggressive questions during the Q&A, for which he got promptly shut down by the remaining public, who were eager to ask their own questions.

nitter.net/oula_silver/status/1318067464631128065
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▶ No.2394

>>2391
Looks like the lecture was streamed, too.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/774221596
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▶ No.2396>>2397

File (hide): 1608515433040.jpg (94.77 KB, 640x984, palme.jpg)

>>2389
Even our local MLs respect Palme. Getting the employee funds law passed was a massive chad move. Unfortunately they didn't put it in the constitution, which would have made it much harder for Porky to get rid of them, which they did in 1991.
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▶ No.2397>>2398>>2460

>>2396
That thumb is unfortunate.
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▶ No.2398>>2460

>>2397
Can't unsee. What the fuck is that thumb bruh.
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▶ No.2399

>>2389
Pretty based all things considered.
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▶ No.2400>>2475>>6291

File (hide): 1608515433381.jpeg (469.73 KB, 2048x1341, D81EB5C0-38B7-4354-8E67-A….jpeg)

>>2389
He’s alright, especially as far as foreign policy goes. But he was also a self-declared anti-communist with suspicious ties to the intelligence world, and he also oversaw the illegal registration of communists and radical trade-union members into secret government databases (most likely for Gladio purposes). And he more or less allowed Kjell-Olof Feldt and his troika to execute on the so-called November “revolution” to deregulate Swedish credit markets, which caused the crisis in the 1990s and ended the Swedish social-democracy everyone cheers. Growing up in Sweden in the 1960s and 70s (pic related) was a little bit reminiscent of East Germany. Right-wingers refer to this period as “DDR-Sweden”.
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▶ No.2460>>2468

File (hide): 1608515438930.jpg (12.31 KB, 360x344, tumme.jpg)

>>2397
>>2398
pls no bodyshaming ;_;
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▶ No.2468

>>2460
>e-ei pilkatapa peukaloani :DDDD
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▶ No.2475

>>2400
>Growing up in Sweden in the 1960s and 70s (pic related) was a little bit reminiscent of East Germany. Right-wingers refer to this period as “DDR-Sweden”.
Wish we could turn back time, to the good old days…
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▶ No.2544>>2547

File (hide): 1608515446499.jpg (672.74 KB, 1333x932, Soldiers-of-Odin.jpg)

>>725
Some updates: This week the other suspected attacker was released and police announced that he is no longer a suspect. The other fascist remains in police custody and is still suspected for the attack. This is pretty funny and confusing, since the victim, Pekka Kataja, said he identified the man who is now released. One thing is clear: anything that Mr. Kataja says can't be trusted. At first it was the "arabs", then he identified the two fascists, what's next?

But it's still clear that Pekka Kataja was attacked by his fellow fascists. When the police released the other guy, they announced that they had arrested another fascist who is suspeced to be the other attacker.
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▶ No.2547>>2548

>>2544
Why is he replacing some "n" letters with "m"? Is it immitative of sobbing or some weird dialect?
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▶ No.2548

>>2547
It's making fun of fascists who usually can't even write their own language. Back in the day it was typical to these dumb faschos to misspell the word "isänmaa" (fatherland) by writing it "isämmaa".
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▶ No.2570

File (hide): 1608515448549.jpg (766.61 KB, 1482x919, Kansallissosialismi PVL.jpg)

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▶ No.2591>>2592

Finns det folk som inte bara suckar när de hör namnet afrosvenskarnas riksförbund?
Jag har fått intrycket att ingen riktigt gillar dem förutom de som älskar att hata dem
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▶ No.2592

>>2591
tillbaks till flashback med dig
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▶ No.2606>>2607>>2634

File (hide): 1608515451534.png (101.72 KB, 385x249, nytlopusatna.png)

Can Finnish patriotism be reunited with Communism, IRA style? Maybe I'm just spooked because my grandfather was a Kokoomus voting priest. But I do have a love for this country, and the more I read about the betrayals the right wing has commited against the Finnish working class and nation, the more I grow to hate them. It is very clear to me that when it comes to independence, Communists and SocDems (back when they were truly leftist) have been the real champions of not only the working class cause but the Finnish patriotic cause.
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▶ No.2607

>>2606
Finland is pretty much the most patriotic country on the continent, so naturally a communist movement would take on patriotic elements. This feeling can also be directed against the foreign bourgeoisie to help build up the movement.
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▶ No.2628>>2670

Holy shit there is a nordic general???

Tell me danish citizens what is to be done with enhedslisten and why do they suck so much dick? Like they used to be acab and crush the capital system, but now they are a bunch of cucks to the soc dems.
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▶ No.2634

>>2606
Finns can have a little patroitism, as a treat
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▶ No.2668>>2671>>2675>>2689

File (hide): 1608515457163.jpg (1.2 MB, 2000x1124, meme 45.jpg)

Anyone else tired of american libs praising our bourgeois and imperialist governments?
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▶ No.2670

>>2628
Maybe to hide their power level? No one would care about ACAB and fuck capital unless they know you care.
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▶ No.2671

>>2668
Yes, I’ve had to explain to several Americans that Sweden is not a socialist country. Thankfully it seems to be less prominent now than it was a few years ago.
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▶ No.2675

>>2668
Not Nordic but western yuro and this is the reason succdem radlibs appropriating revolutionary language infuriates me so much, they just want what we already have here and think they're fucking che guevara
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▶ No.2685>>2714

How is Scandinavia doing with refugees? Are they pro marxists?
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▶ No.2689

>>2668
KEEEEK
Oh god, didn't even realize that Turning Points Denmark was a thing, holy shit that is cringe
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▶ No.2714

>>2685
>Are they pro marxists?
Do you mean the refugees or?
We have a bunch of social problems related to refugees, and a media circus around organized crime blamed on immigrants, which may well put fascists in government here in Sweden. Porky is all too happy to use the influx of desperate workers to divide the working class, as always.
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▶ No.2734>>2735>>2738

File (hide): 1608515463261.png (566.86 KB, 687x868, 1.png)

Clearly Swedish drug policy is not working as intended. Thoughts?
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▶ No.2735>>2736

File (hide): 1608515463388.jpg (274.69 KB, 980x846, mumindalen2.jpg)

>>2734
Another in a long line of new social problems stemming from the neoliberal direction our country has been moving in.
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▶ No.2736>>2739

>>2735
What accounts for Sweden being the worst in all of Europe? We're still far from being the most neoliberal country in the EU.
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▶ No.2738

>>2734
Doesn't the Swedish royal family fund this hyper-conservative drug legislation? Think I read that somewhere.
Are there any republican movements / parties in Scandinavia? If not you should def start it (such sentiments seem to be on the rise on the left in Spain and the UK).
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▶ No.2739>>2740>>2743

>>2736
Good question. I’m not an expert when it comes to drug policy, but hasn’t Sweden had, for a long time, a particularly conservative drug policy? Even being high is illegal in Sweden as opposed to using a drug if I recall correctly. What are your thoughts?
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▶ No.2740>>2741>>3438

File (hide): 1608515463787.jpg (10.13 KB, 256x256, Svennebanan.jpg)

>>2739
Swedes are really fucking conservative when it comes to everything, they're the worst, most neurotic, most fun-hating people in Scandinavia.
Don't believe me? Try drinking in public in Sweden? People will act all neurotic like you are waving a gun at them. Try jumping on a trampoline with your kid cousin and laughing loudly in public.

Swedes are just awful and Scania should be returned to Denmark.
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▶ No.2741>>2744

>>2740
Banning public intoxication sounds reasonable, as does policing noise. Do people really get angry over trampolines though?
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▶ No.2743

>>2739
I'm no expert on the drug policy of different countries either, and I've only ever lived in Sweden so there's nothing I can really compare it to. But yes, Swedish drug policy is very conservative compared to most other European countries from what I've heard.

One thing I've noticed is that culturally, Sweden is extremely moralistic around drug use (except when it comes to alcohol, getting black out drunk every weekend is encouraged). Doing a line of blow is practically seen as about as morally abhorrent as stabbing a child. Even "soft drugs" like cannabis and mushrooms and whatever are viewed this way, except by some subset of young people (hippies, ravers, etc.). I think this attitude really discourages people who struggle with addiction to more dangerous substances like opioids and amphetamines from seeking any sort of treatment or disclosing it to medical professionals.

That's just one aspect of it that might contribute. I also think the theory that soft drugs like cannabis are gateways to hard drugs like heroin actually becomes more of a real thing when the laws and culture around drugs are so conservative. Society doesn't make a distinction and neither do drug users and drug dealers. If you wanna get access to weed you need to hang out with a bunch of degenerates who likely abuse harder drugs too, buy it from dealers who also sell heroin, etc.
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▶ No.2744>>2745

>>2741
>Banning public intoxication sounds reasonable, as does policing noise.
You must live somewhere awful and dreary.

>Do people really get angry over trampolines though?
Yes. Swedes are cold, stoic Lutherans. They are amongst the least charismatic and open people you can happen upon.
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▶ No.2745

>>2744
>Swedes are cold, stoic Lutherans. They are amongst the least charismatic and open people you can happen upon.
what a couple decades of sosseri does to a mf
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▶ No.2779>>2802>>2807>>3431

File (hide): 1608515467580.jpg (77.53 KB, 1280x720, whendoestherideend.jpg)

As a Danish person I must say, that If you think the US constitution sucks, try living in scandihoovia

>The King has legal immunity
>The King appoints the government at their own leisure
>The King can dismiss the goverment at any time
>The Country is officially Evangelical-Lutheran
>All executive power lies with the King
>The King appoints all ministers, and dismisses them at his own will
>The King negotiates on behalf of the realm in all diplomatic matters
>The King has to approve all legislation
>The King can give anyone amnesty from the law at their own leisure
>The King has the right to print his own money
>No foreigner can be granted citizenship by any other organ than congress
>Foreigners are speciffically denied the property-rights all other inhabitants are
>Only worship that does not "disturb public order" is allowed
>The realm has "freedom of speech", but congress is free to instruct the courts as to which kind of speech can be sanctioned


Fuck my shit country
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▶ No.2786>>2789>>2808

File (hide): 1608515468304.png (1.05 KB, 375x250, swe_tri.png)

>>>/leftypol/1041119
A phrygian cap would be very nice indeed. A republican tricolor maybe - is there any historical precedent for a tricolor Swedish flag? I don't think I've heard of anything like it.
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▶ No.2789

>>2786
>A phrygian cap would be very nice indeed. A republican tricolor maybe - is there any historical precedent for a tricolor Swedish flag? I don't think I've heard of anything like it.
I think it would be confusing. If you have to sell in the symbol more than what it signifies, then you will run at a loss. Especially if the symbol isn't connected to anything else. But a phrygian cap, ancient temple with lyre or an eagle does connect to republicanism.

At best, any tricolor without an extra symbol will either look like some unknown country flag or sports colors.

And if a republican movement is going to suceed, it must have a true big-tent mentality. Agree on just a few things and stick to them, no matter what. If a movement for republicanism can't accept conservatives or non-left it won't succeed.
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▶ No.2796>>2797>>2798

File (hide): 1608515469100.jpg (41.75 KB, 1000x667, snus.jpg)

Thoughts????
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▶ No.2797>>2805

>>2796
Degenerate
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▶ No.2798>>2805

>>2796
no
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▶ No.2802>>2806

>>2779
has the king ever used his powers to dismiss govs against popular will?
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▶ No.2805

>>2797
>>2798
swedophobia
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▶ No.2807

>>2779
>The Country is officially Evangelical-Lutheran
this isn't bad, the downfall of sweden started when we began to allow Catholics to worship publicly
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▶ No.2808

>>2786
I don't think there's much Swedish support for changing the flag other than among a few secular humanists
If a republican flag tried to tout replacing the flag with anything else that would hurt the movement far more than it would help it
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▶ No.2843>>2853>>2865>>2878>>3002

File (hide): 1608515473030.png (34.62 KB, 678x396, d8484c87b4d435846d2fb58432….png)

Thoughts?
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▶ No.2853

>>2843
eh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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▶ No.2865

>>2843
Given the fact that Löfven is a tit guy, he will be held in Dadgostar's sway.
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▶ No.2878

>>2843
Would be cooler if V were radical instead of succ
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▶ No.3001

Andreas Malm, thoughts?
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▶ No.3002

>>2843
Well at least they are getting rewarded for doing the right thing.
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▶ No.3003>>3015>>3186

RIP Jan Myrdal
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▶ No.3015

>>3003
F
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▶ No.3186

>>3003
RIP comrade.
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▶ No.3408>>3410

File (hide): 1608515517917.jpg (308.34 KB, 1626x1112, Tensta_1971b.jpg)

Ugh, så detta är vad man tog ifrån mig?

t. Göran Greider
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▶ No.3410>>3425

>>3408
har ingen aning om vad du vill ha sagt, använd fler ord
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▶ No.3425

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>>3410
Ugh, mitt folkhem. Borta. De tog det ifrån mig. Kolla övre högra hörnet.

t. Daniel Suhonen
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▶ No.3431

File (hide): 1608515519747.jpg (360.18 KB, 1240x698, meme 39.jpg)

>>2779
Mand, fuck monarkiet. Er så pisse træt af at de penge jeg betaler i skat går direkte i lommen på en eller anden skide burgøjser familie. Bare fordi de er "royale" så fortjener de mine penge? Pffffff.

Rød front, kammerat!
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▶ No.3438>>3456>>3457

>>2740
Sweden should be partitioned between Denmark, Finland and Norway, tbh
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▶ No.3456

File (hide): 1608515521991-0.jpg (18.92 KB, 191x201, Gustav II Adolf deal with ….jpg)

File (hide): 1608515521991-1.png (95.76 KB, 402x539, 402px-Swedish_Empire_Map.png)

>>3438
>wanting to make Binland sharing a border with D*nmark all on their own
>not wanting Make Sweden Great Again
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▶ No.3457>>3467

>>3438
we'll defeat the danish and enslave the finns
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▶ No.3465>>3466

File (hide): 1608515522628.jpg (47.1 KB, 291x1000, julmust.jpg)

Finally, it's that time of the year again
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▶ No.3466

>>3465
Just in time for covid-19 second way too.
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▶ No.3467

>>3457
What are you gonna do? Have a panic attack at them?
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▶ No.3509>>3543>>3638

File (hide): 1608515525982.png (33.05 KB, 975x157, die-endlösung-der-minkfrak….png)

mink holocaust 2020
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▶ No.3543>>3627

>>3509
I'm vegan, and they shouldn't be farming minks to begin with
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▶ No.3627>>3638

>>3543
>I'm vegan, and they shouldn't be farming minks to begin with
Mang, you're not supposed to EAT the minks.
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▶ No.3628

>>>/leftypol/818889
>a genocide against the Finnish workers and Reds
No, it was a politicide. Another subset of democide.
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▶ No.3638>>3656

>>3627
gå tillbaks till ordboken

>>3509
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/06/coronavirus-mutation-danish-mink-spreads-to-214-people

&ltHowever, concern is centring on the fact that most mutations of the virus so far identified have been similar enough for there to be hope that vaccines in development will work on them; the new mutation reportedly diverges to a greater degree.

Verkar finnas risk för att immunitet mot OG covid-19 inte ger immunitet mot den danska minkvarianten, och tvärtom.
>dkn överlevde covid-19 bara för att ligga och dö i dansk mink-AIDS
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▶ No.3656>>3664>>3760>>4292

File (hide): 1608515536966.jpg (866.28 KB, 2288x1712, Sheep grazing meadow (WW).jpg)

>>3638
>gå tillbaks till ordboken
Yes, you're right. There's no contradiction between veganism and factory farming green deserts.

Be careful for what you ask for. You might get it. The cultural landscapes of meadows is because of livestock raising. Nothing else.
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▶ No.3664>>3879

>>3656
schizofreni? du synes söka anföra motargument mot något ingen här argumenterat för. testa skriv blogg istället, eller svara på faktiska inlägg
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▶ No.3759

>>1067
The Winter War myth isn't about showing how uh horrible traitors the Finnish reds were but about almost everybody including socialists realizing how horrible undemocratic and expansionist the Soviet Union was and thus accepting to defend the democratic fatherland.
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▶ No.3760>>3879

>>3656
raising livestock is boog
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▶ No.3879

>>3664
&ltveganism is unproblematic

>>3760
&ltraising livestock makes landscapes good looking
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▶ No.3881>>3884>>3887

Kött är gott och låt oss fortsätta äta det.
/mitt bidrag till debatten
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▶ No.3884

>>3881
Det där måste ju vara själva definitionen av ett icke-argument.

&ltAtt skjuta upp heroin och våldta spädbarn är skönt, låt oss göra det!
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▶ No.3887>>3889

>>3881
du kan åtminstone ha ett vettigt argument, exempelvis det är praktiskt att ha betesdjur som håller odlingsyta öppen, och dyngan är bra för jorden. även skyddsjakt på älg är bra
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▶ No.3889>>3890>>3892

>>3887
Betesdjur håller inga odlingsytor öppna. Om ytan utgörs av betesmark odlas ingen gröda där, och vice versa.
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▶ No.3890>>3892

>>3889
nej, men det tar förbannat mycket arbete att bereda odlingsbar yta. du vill inte låta den växa igen om inte all yta behövs för närvarande
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▶ No.3892

>>3889
>>3890
för att vara tydligare så odlas gröda där, bara inte direkt för människor. vad marken ska användas till är en politisk fråga. det är exempelvis fullt rimligt att bestämma att försöka hålla befolkninen på en sån nivå så att vi kan ha betesdjur
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▶ No.4281>>5325

Var det faktiskt någon som ville riva ner von linnes statyer i Sverige eller var det bara flashbacks paranoia som spökade?
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▶ No.4291>>4294>>7860

File (hide): 1608515586188.jpg (32.08 KB, 350x500, Visa Marttila.jpg)

Posting this here too:

New information on the Finnish pedophile network that was exposed by the police in 2019. The Finnish National Bureau of Investigation tells that the five arrested Finnish men were involved in Nazism, Satan-worship and different kinds of fetishes. Crimes took place in 2007-2018.

They raped children, filmed it and shared the videos online. They also live-streamed rapes. Victims were both boys and girls, aged 6-15. They also shared videos of BABIES being raped and children forced to perform acts with animals.

Quote from the article linked below:
>The men have encouraged each other with shouts and signs, often associated with non-religious movements as well as extremism, the protocol describes.

So basically they were doing Nazi salutes and screaming "SIEG HEIL" on live-streams while raping and torturing kids.

It is the biggest and most violent pedo gang in Finnish history. It is also part of world wide network with members from USA, Spain, France, Italy and Brazil, and possibly other countries too.

https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000007611025.html
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▶ No.4292>>4443

>>3656
What happens if there are livestock to feed on the fields?
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▶ No.4294

>>4291
jesus fucking christ
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▶ No.4443>>4474

>>4292
>What happens if there are livestock to feed on the fields?
For what purpouse if we're not going to eat it? :-/
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▶ No.4468

Om kött var gott nog för de människor som slängde spjut på gazeller på afrikas horn för 200.000 år sen är det gott nog för mig
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▶ No.4474

>>4443
Oh what happens if there aren't any livestyock to feed on the fields? What happens to the field.
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▶ No.4641>>4655

Finbros. I've been thinking about what I can actually do in practice for the "Left" in this country, and I'm coming to the conclusion that the political parties from the most based to the most neolib are useless, because the unions are not in a fighting shape. While Finns have a deep respect for the welfare state and the unions of old, what we lack is class consciousness necessary to bring about useful change. That's the kind of discussion we need to drag people into having, but in order to do that we need to engage people where it really matters: the workplace. I suppose what I wanna do with my life is to become an organizer. Now, you can't just call up a union and say "I'm super leftist, gib me an organizing job". What you need to do instead is look at the key strategic industries where a mass of workers have their hand on the wheel and can, when effectively organized, kick up some real shit. You must get a job in such a field - or so my thinking goes - get an education for it, and then hopefully become a well respected worker in the work place. My question to the Finnish portion of this board is: what are the best industries to get into with this in mind? I have some experience in logistics and educational work, and can see myself working in both. I'm basically asking what industry should I infiltrate right now if I wanna become a stealth commie working class organizer.
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▶ No.4645>>6332

File (hide): 1608515614044.jpg (1.78 MB, 3759x3840, Mannerheim ja Hitler.jpg)

>>>/leftypol/825748
finland was on the wrong side, stalin wanted to occupy finland in order to fight the nazis. after the war he would have given twice the land back, but the finns decided to throw a fit and co-operate with the nazis which lead to the nazis torching half of the lappland.

also all the good things that finland did they did because soviet union was right next to them.
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▶ No.4648

>>1349
No, fuck Skyrim
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▶ No.4649

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>>1349
you either fight for the dying empire or a bunch of ethno-nationalist. i try to look it more from the gameplay perspective, stormcloaks bring cute female guards to cities, but can i bring myself to kill Legate Rikke?
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▶ No.4655>>4656>>5119

>>4641
The mail has been taking the shit for several years now with semi-privatization, growing workloads, pointless "savings" for unnecessary "competitiveness", etc.. The union, PAU, are alright, you might've noticed the strikes that happen every other year or so, when the collective contract expires. But, the replacement of old experienced workers with expendable students and immigrants (who are also cheaper because they don't get annual raises, and the latter being hired despite not having been taught the language or even given a lesson on the basics of street names and address mechanics) has surely eaten their base, and they lack the radicalism to do action beyond slowing down the rate of change at the bargaining table.

Consider the following:
>it's a critical service
>the Transport and Communications Ministry is open to supporting them financially due to the latter, rendering the profit motive utterly irrelevant and superfluous
>formerly mailmen used to rise up the ranks, from carrying stuff to office jobs and beyond, bringing their street-level experiences with them
>nowadays high-level bosses are "management professionals" hired expensively, sometimes from abroad

It used to be respected work done by a government institution, but now they're just glorified ad-spreaders. While digitization has cut down on the volume of paper that needs to be hauled around, it's still a job that needs to be done. Fuck, an important 1st-class letter I was waiting for took 12 days to cross a distance of under 5 kilometers! Well, 8 working days if you count out the weekends, but still.
It's fucked.
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▶ No.4656>>5119

>>4655 (me)
Here's an article from the union themselves:
https://www.pau.fi/viestinta/ajankohtaista/postinjakelun-laatuongelmat-halvalla-ei-saa-hyvaa.html
>Quality problems with mail delivery: You can't get good on the cheap
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▶ No.4699>>4700>>5325

File (hide): 1608515619090.jpg (56.6 KB, 320x473, j3h5bwcmq0061.jpg)

https://crd.org/sv/grattis/

Thoughts?
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▶ No.4700

>>4699
Who must go?
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▶ No.5119>>6278

>>4655
>>4656
This is actually good stuff. Do you, or anyone else reading this know if there are unions or actual organizers where they hve made some real gains?
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▶ No.5325>>5529

File (hide): 1608515675898-0.jpg (38.49 KB, 500x281, 1591624980101.jpg)

File (hide): 1608515675898-1.jpg (221.71 KB, 725x1024, 1591624408753.jpg)

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>>4281
>Var det faktiskt någon som ville riva ner von linnes statyer i Sverige eller var det bara flashbacks paranoia som spökade?
Vet inte. Vet bara att RFSL promotade en serie där de först påstod att han grundade Rasbiologiska institutet. Han dog 144 år innan. Sedan minneshålade de den serien och ändrade till att han lade grunden till det. (Han dog fortfarande 144 år innan.)

Det värsta jag hörde var idéhistorikern Magnus Rodell som svamlade om att någon skulle spränga Vasaskeppet av någon anledning. Dels är han amerikaniserad som tror att vi ens har en promille av en potential till BLM-protester här. De vi hade var korta och töntiga och drevs av folk som tror att vi bor i USA. (Ja, det finns rasism mot mörkyade i Sverige. Men det finns få likheter mellan dem och svarta i USA. T.ex. så vet de knappt vilken del av Afrika de kommer ifrån, FFS!) Dels undrar jag om han är uppdaterad. För en bieffekt av 9/11 och alla andra terrordåd är att det är svårt att få tag på sprängmedel. Det kan gå. Men inte så mycket.

Sorry, bubben. Det blev ingen spränging.

>>4699
>Thoughts?
>tfw Orban looks like Soros
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▶ No.5526>>5531>>6662

To people living in the nordics: do you have any hope in your government? Short of socialism in its proper, what changes would you like to see?
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▶ No.5529>>5541

>>5325
>T.ex. så vet de knappt vilken del av Afrika de kommer ifrån, FFS!
Svarta i USA alltså?
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▶ No.5531>>5538

>>5526
>do you have any hope in your government?
No, all of our great social democratic parties are thoroughly neoliberal at this point.
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▶ No.5538

>>5531
What kinds of reductions in wages/benefits/working conditions were imposed on workers in the process of neoliberalization?
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▶ No.5541

>>5529
>Svarta i USA alltså?
Ja de. Lite slarvigt skrivet. Många som invandrar eller flyr hit har hyfsat bra kontakt med sin ursprungsort.
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▶ No.6232>>6462

Vad är den historie materialistiska förklaringen för det norska korstågen till det heliga landet?
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▶ No.6269

Rapporterar ifrån sverigetråden


hur står det till kamrater?
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▶ No.6270>>6271

>>490 (OP)
DEN SVENSKA RASEN ÄR ÖVERLÄGSEN ALLA ANDRA

HELL SEGER

HELL FUCKING SEGER
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▶ No.6271>>6273

>>6270
krinsch
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▶ No.6273>>6274

>>6271
vänstertransan…
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▶ No.6274

>>6273
mm strax
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▶ No.6275

Stefan Löfven
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▶ No.6276>>6290

tänk om bajs var gratis hell seger
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▶ No.6277

jag hatar hatar alienationen
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▶ No.6278

>>5119
Sorry, no fucking idea. It's been closer to a decade since I left that joint behind.
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▶ No.6279>>6280

>>>/leftypol/818889
>committed a genocide against the Finnish workers and Reds
Och det var en bra sak En död kommunist är en bra kommunist
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▶ No.6280

>>6279
källa på det?
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▶ No.6281>>6282

Någon annan som går i gymnasiet och blir mobbad av borgarungarna och deras mittbenor? Hur löser jag det?
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▶ No.6282

>>6281
häng med ahmed och abdi, dina klassfränder
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▶ No.6284

File (hide): 1608515760076.mp4 (12.27 MB, 682x400, Axel.mp4) [play once] [loop]

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▶ No.6290

>>6276
>tänk om bajs var gratis hell seger
Bajset bor H Y R E S F R I T T i en stormgarderob nära dig.
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▶ No.6291

>>2400
>spårvagnen till Lidingö
>Swartlings ridskola ligger fortfarande vid Valhallavägen
Kanske lite tvek på vänstertrafiken. Men personligen kan jag VGH:a för mindre.
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▶ No.6330>>6377

Finland invests €20m in country's first quantum computer

The computational power of the supercomputer could be useful in the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_invests_20m_in_countrys_first_quantum_computer/11650682
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▶ No.6332

>>4645
Finland is all that remains from Axis powers as it was never conquered. We were in full fascism mode even before Hitler and there was communist repression because whites won the civil war.
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▶ No.6377>>6378>>6381

grabbar svt är här och bajsbrevar va ska vi göra??

>>6330
Quantum computing is a meme
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▶ No.6378>>6380>>6520

>>6377
>Quantum computing is a meme
Quantum computing? More like quantum [b]coping[/b] am I right guys?
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▶ No.6380>>6381

>>6378
>y-you see, if you look at the quantum system too hard it gets shy and won't perform
>w-what do you mean the copenhagen interpretation is idealist?
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▶ No.6381>>6382>>6383

>>6380
>>6377
Explain the double slit experiment then
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▶ No.6382>>6384

>>6381
basic wave optics nigga
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▶ No.6383>>6384

>>6381
Hidden variable models, for example pilot wave theory. Copenhagen is like answering "no" to the question of whether a tree falling in the woods makes a sound if no one's there to hear it. Idealism instead of materialism.

I've asked a physicist friend of mine to define what an observation actually is. They can't do it. When I point out that for example a photodiode is a non-linear device, even if its specs claim it is linear in the intensity, and that that is why beat frequency detection works, he gets upset.
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▶ No.6384

>>6383 here
>>6382
>basic wave optics nigga
The double slit experiment disproves wave optics, which is why materialist theories that explain the phenomenon are necessary.
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▶ No.6462

>>6232
>Vad är den historie materialistiska förklaringen för det norska korstågen till det heliga landet?
Finns nog ingen. Att tyskarna skickade Lenin till Ryssland bara för att han skulle kaosa har även den knappast någon historiematerialistisk förklaring.
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▶ No.6516>>6517>>6637

File (hide): 1608515780846.jpg (33.74 KB, 576x566, 1559609726713.jpg)

Vad bör vi kalla den här kisen på swänska? Skinkis?
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▶ No.6517

>>6516
Porvarisika
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▶ No.6520

>>6378
Oh shit you got me.
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▶ No.6637>>6656>>6672

>>6516
Vi kallar honom för Fläskis i SverigeTråden.
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▶ No.6656

>>6637
Fläskis funkar
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▶ No.6662>>6665

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>>5526
Exiting the EU would be great. I would even vote for the swedish democrats if they hadn't pussied out and become EU-whores.
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▶ No.6663>>6676

So I heard every guy in Northern Europe is a 6’3 and up chad, is this true?
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▶ No.6665>>6666

>>6662
What benefits would this bring? Would you like some sort of Norway-style relationship with the EU instead?
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▶ No.6666>>6676

File (hide): 1608515793461.jpg (47.17 KB, 978x556, Ef2x5sfX0AcpUTK.jpeg.jpg)

>>6665
No more polish workforce driving down wages and workplace conditions. You cant organize a working class that doesn't speak your language/have any interest in the future of the country. No threat of a snus ban either. A stronger cooperation between nordic countries would be more ideal tbh.
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▶ No.6672>>6676>>6851

>>6637
Trodde trälberg var vedertaget
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▶ No.6676>>6679

>>6663
>6'3
Can you put that in non-burger units? I'm 195cm, that's quite tall even where I live.

>>6672
Trälberg låter proletärt snarare än borgerligt.

>>6666
Svejdå would be a blow against Porky first and foremost. He needs the EU to maintain the rate of profit. This will drive up the rate of exploitation. With any luck, the workers will realize that Jimpan and his ilk don't actually have any solutions.

It is also not Polish workers that decrease wages, but the eternal Porky. What we should demand is that foreign workers are compelled to join a suitable union. Maybe SAC. Certainly not LO, fuck them.
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▶ No.6679>>6680>>6681

>>6676
Instämmer till fullo med första delen, kamrat. O ja de e sant att det är den eviga borgarn som får sådant här att hända, men vi kommer inte att få in polackerna i facken. Dom som jag har jobbat med säger själva att dom skiter fullständigt i Sverige. Att få in en stor mängd av jävlarna kommer inte vara möjligt, de e bättre att spendera mera energi att pusha för Svejdå.
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▶ No.6680>>6681

>>6679 (Jag)
Polackerna har heller ingen som helst anledning att ens sluta upp sig med oss, lönerna är tusen gånger bättre här än hemma i Polen.
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▶ No.6681>>6683

>>6679
>>6680
Ja alltså om de endast pysslar med vad som i praktiken är strejkbryteri så helt klart, åt skogen med dem. Men jag tror man kan ge dem ett väldigt klart och tydligt val. Det är knappast alla polacker som beter sig såhär.
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▶ No.6683>>6686

File (hide): 1608515794997.jpg (362.75 KB, 1072x697, 20201127_154428.jpg)

>>6681
Kanske de kanske. Framtiden ser fan inte ljus ut dock.
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▶ No.6686>>6691

File (hide): 1608515795249.jpg (177.24 KB, 1000x861, P0p82TE.jpg)

>>6683
Jag kommer då sitta och mysa när LO-medlemmar som röstar på SD blir tuktade hårt av borgarna. Då kanske de lär sig.
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▶ No.6691>>6696

>>6686
Jag är så jävla blödig så jag blir bara ledsen av det där. Halva min svärfamilj är SD.röstande exsossar och deras lilla obygd kommer bli fullständigt rövknullad när SD + borgarna äntligen tar makten. Men, ja, man får ju hoppas att de lär sig.
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▶ No.6696>>6700

>>6691
Min styvfarsa var SD ett tag, men nu har han insett att de inte har några lösningar. Så det är inte helt hopplöst. Lustigt nog är en av hans kompisar SD:are och same. Det fattar jag inte öht hur det går ihop.
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▶ No.6700

>>6696
SD:are och same låter som en fantastisk kombination.
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▶ No.6702>>6705>>6741

File (hide): 1608515796982.jpg (61.17 KB, 599x600, 1606451545105.jpg)

The American stockmarket is making me so much money that I'll get taxed and lose my neetbucks

It hurts
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▶ No.6705>>6707>>6741

>>6702
You live in the Nordics? Why don't you just move your assets to a tax haven or do some tax trickery (e.g. claiming random shit as business expenses)?
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▶ No.6707>>6740

>>6705
I'm just a poor student but the government is very stringent on social benefits

I'm not rich my any means so all I can do is eat shit
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▶ No.6740>>6853

>>6707
That's no excuse to cock for Porky
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▶ No.6741>>6834>>6853

>>6705
>>6702
Why are you against taxation?
I'm curious.
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▶ No.6834>>6853

>>6741
To help the bourgeois state deteriorate faster and to have more money for orgs
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▶ No.6837

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V3g05IjzCA
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▶ No.6851>>6852>>6861

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>>6672
>Trodde trälberg var vedertaget
Låter lite som man försöker hundvissla något. Sedan finns det ett litet problem med det uttrycket, nämligen att det främst används i SverigeTråden när man ironiserar över folk som skyller alla sina problem på sin chef eller kapitalismen. Jag hörde på Kominternpodden nu för första gången sedan i somras (uppskattade verkligen deras serie Vi lär av historien). Och i början innan jag hade vant mig igen vid deras jargong så var det nästan som att jag trodde att de när som helst skulle böja säga "Trälberg". Eller de kanske de säger när de talar om Kapitalismen™. Det är få som på riktigt skulle försvara statligt stöd till företag som sedan sparkar folk. Men att inte tala om staten som något separat från kapitalet nu när vi haft snart ett helt år av massa exempel på yvig statlig politik är att ge sitt tysta medgivande.

Anser för övrigt att Porky/Fläskis/Whatever i hög hatt bara är larpande. Vem har haft hög hatt på sig oironiskt de senaste 50 åren som inte var dresyrryttare, gothare eller en man i smoking? (Snälla Ung Vänster, om ni läser detta. Fimpa de där dumma klibborna. För som det är nu så associerar jag er med Fläskis. Ok?)

På tal om larpande så undrar jag vad det är med Ryan (?) i Kominternpodden. I senaste avsnittet talade han om "yuppies"? Var han ens född på 80-talet? Förvånar mig inte så mycket över den snedseglingen. I sin vinjett så samplar de ju Göran Persson han talar om klassamhället. Han var väl den siste som hade det där riktiga sossedarret på stämman. Skönt att slippa höra öht. Persson kommunaliserade ju skolan, vilket beredde vägen åt alla de där välfärdssföretagen som de konstant gnäller över i podden. Fick jag bestämma så skulle jag skicka dem och resten av Haveristerna till mormonkyrkans charmskola. Trött på alla "edgy" typer som så uppenbart saknar energi. Det är som att de kompenserar för något. Trump är visserligen "edgy", men han var iaf energisk när han valkampanjade.

&lt "Man måste vara beredd att ta tillfället i akt och rida förändringens våg!!!11!!! XD Och då måste man verkligen förstå Kapitalismen!!!111!!1111 :DDDDDD Den förstår man bäst genom att bygga halmgubbar!!1!!!1!1111!!!! :PPPPPPPP"

Någon annan får väl göra det än dem. För på tal om att rida så har vilken ridskola som helst mer potential att bildligt och bokstavligt rida ut en kris.
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>>6851
Kommer jag som gillar apati och gnäll gilla Komintern eller är de bara gamla skolans socialdemokrater i vänsterförklädnad?
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▶ No.6853

>>6740
I'm not porky anon.
>>6741
>>6834
The poor pay more taxes relative their income than porkies here
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>>6852
>Kommer jag som gillar apati och gnäll gilla Komintern eller är de bara gamla skolans socialdemokrater i vänsterförklädnad?
Menar du bokstavligt apati och gnäll, eller är det en podcast också? ;-)

Det känns lite som om de spelar olika roller, fast på ett dåligt sätt. Ryan(?) får vara den där obalanserade typen och så är någon sedan lite vettig. Att moralisera verkar vara en naturlig reflex för dem. Idag lärde jag mig att Sverige har fler dollarmiljardärer per capita än USA. Jaha? Det är klart att skattelagstiftningen spelar oerhört stor roll. Men då Sverige är ett så litet land så kunde vi lika gärna ha hälften så många dollarmiljardärer per capita. Det är som att singla slant och du får fyra kronor på raken. Men att singla slant 100 gånger och alla blir krona är extremt osannolikt.

En annan reflex de verkar ha är att så fort någon talar om att gå med i Socialdemokraterna så är det fel per definition. Det är ett parti med stora attitydmässiga problem. Men det är liksom Partiet™. Det går inte att diskutera svensk efterkrigshistoria eller nuläget utan att SAP hänger som en mörk närvaro i ett hörn. (Och säga vad man vill om Offensiv, men de trodde iaf på SAP som organisation.) Så i teorin så borde oppositionen ha haft det mycket enklare. Men det kanske säger mer om oss svenskar som ett folk än något annat.

Jag är dessutom riktigt besviken på senaste avsnittet (vilket ju är korkat av mig). Jag köpte Norbergs senaste bok just i syfte att hitta fel som jag antecknar i marginalen. Och han har faktiskt riktigt bra poänger ibland. Men Komintern försökte inte ens. Inte ett enda "Ja, det stämmer. Men…"

Vet du om det finns någon svensk politikpodcast öht som är typ som att läsa Clartés eller Svensk Tidskrifts artiklar? Oavsett om jag håller med eller inte så är de oftast lärorika och uppiggande. (ETC och Flamman är typ ganska ok, men de kan vara riktigt ojämna och ha ganska mycket trampa på i filttofflorna.)

Här har vi ett läskigt citat från Svensk Tidskrift:

https://www.svensktidskrift.se/ligger-for-mycket-utbildning-bakom-den-vaxande-instabiliteten/

&ltTidskriften har uppmärksammat Peter Turchin, forskare vid University of Connecticut, som för tio år sedan skrev i tidskriften Nature om att det kommande decennier skulle präglas av växande instabilitet i USA och Västeuropa på grund av en överproduktion av nyutexaminerade akademiker med kvalificerade examina.

&ltHan pekar på att denna överproduktion av eliter har paralleller tidigare i historien med samma instabilitet som följd.

&ltHär kan man förmodligen hitta förklaringar både till byråkratkrångel och till dagens wokekultur som härjar på universitet och medieredaktioner i kampen om attraktiva jobb.

&ltHistoriker definierade för länge sedan revolutionsåret 1848 som förorsakat av överskott av välutbildade män.

Skulle kunna vara hämtat från något avsnitt från Zero Books där de diskuterar just "the managerial class". (De kanske tjuvlyssnar på den?! XD)
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>>6854
Jag vet absolut ingenting om svenska politikpodcasts, det är därför jag frågar om Komintern. I allmänhet brukar ju skrivna texter vara bättre än podcasts både i avseende på stilistik kvalitet och analysförmåga. ETC går dock mig på nerverna så mycket att jag nästan slutat läsa. De är liksom besatta av socialismen som en medelklassigt livsstilsprojekt där allting bara går ut på att maximera solceller och trädgårdsodling hela tiden. Jag skulle kunna döda för en riktigt bra vänsterpolitisk dagstidning men det kommer nog aldrig hända i denna Bonniersstyrda världtyvärr.
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▶ No.6860

>>6858
>Jag vet absolut ingenting om svenska politikpodcasts, det är därför jag frågar om Komintern.
Ok. Nä, jag vet inte så mkt om sådana.

>I allmänhet brukar ju skrivna texter vara bättre än podcasts både i avseende på stilistik kvalitet och analysförmåga.
Sant. Lätt att säga samma sak om och om igen om man inte har ett bra manus man följer.

>ETC går dock mig på nerverna så mycket att jag nästan slutat läsa. De är liksom besatta av socialismen som en medelklassigt livsstilsprojekt där allting bara går ut på att maximera solceller och trädgårdsodling hela tiden.
Ganska ojämna ja. Å andra sidan är ju det en styrka att allt inte följer någon mall. Skulle säga att deras största nackdel är tecknaren Ulf Lundkvist. Du kan bara rita sliskiga typer eller ha 50-talsnostalgi på så många sätt. Men det är som att "le glib cartoon" blir en ersättning för grundläggande argumentation. Antar att han har fått livstidsanställning eller äger stora andelar. En annan oironiskt farlig tecknare är Robert Nyberg. Istf nostalgi är det mest "Oj, vad dåligt vi har det nu, fast nu med massa nallebjörnar, haha". Max Svensson verkar utgå så hårt ifrån att läsaren verkligen, verkligen delar just hans värderingar att man ibland inte ens behöver göra en edit som man gjorde med Ben Garrisons teckningar för att ändra på tolkningen/slutsatsen. Tänker på hans dystopi om Sverige i framtiden när alla muslimer är i koncentrationsläger.

>Jag skulle kunna döda för en riktigt bra vänsterpolitisk dagstidning men det kommer nog aldrig hända i denna Bonniersstyrda världtyvärr.
Tror nog att bästa sättet att få det gjort är att låtsas om att inte Bonniers finns. Eller att de liksom bara ger ut böcker. Och varför bry sig om böcker? Nu gör vi dagstidning! XD

Visst, presstöd, distribution osv. Men det som den svenska vänstern verkar lida brist på generellt är frimodighet. Tomas Lappalainen undrar i 'Ndrangheta en bok om maffian i Kalabrien (2010) varför den svenska vänstern måste vara så dyster jämfört med den italienska. Men, det kanske säger mer om oss svenskar än politiska sympatier.

Sedan är det bara att se vilka som är mot Bonniers och fråga sig om man vill vara i deras sällskap. Vidrigt när Schibsted-tidningen Aftonbladet låter Edenborg gnälla över Bonniers som om han fortfarande led som Vertigo-redaktör.
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>>6851
>larp
Det heter lajv, jänkare
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>>6861
>Det heter lajv, jänkare
Skriver du "gejm", "rejv", "råck" och "påpp" också? XD
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▶ No.6863

>>6862
Man måste bara skriva rejv. Det är ett av mina favoritord.
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>>6862
Japp
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>när man försöker övertyga kompisar att cybernetik är lösningen

>>6862
lätt. i sverige talar vi svenska
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>>6866
Skön låt, men vem tillverkar maskinerna?
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>>6868
>Skön låt, men vem tillverkar maskinerna?
andra maskiner
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▶ No.6873>>6876

>>6866
Bort med kukskyttarna
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▶ No.6876>>6913

>>6873
>kukskyttarna
Bra uttryck.

Hur går det med hans beräkningsproblem? Kan man lösa det med enkla datorer eller krävs det datorer som inte finns? Allt annat låter det lite som strängteoretiker som behöver en partikelaccelerator stor som Vintergatan för att bevisa sina teorem.
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>>6876
Linjärprogrammering är O(n^2.5) vilket är fullt hanterbart. Ett medelstort kluster i stil med de som finns i universitetsvärlden borde duga. Källa: jag är data
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>>6913
Va?
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▶ No.6919>>6958

>>6915
Beräkningarna går att göra
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>>6919
Ok, men hur långt ned vill Cockshott gå i planeringen? För stora projekt går det faktiskt att ha någon slags planekonomi. T.ex. NORAD som har skötts vad jag har förstått i stort sett prickfritt av USA och Kanada sedan 1958. Tar Cockshott hänsyn till spontanitet, t.ex. att saker som tidigare kanske var lite oinne plötsligt blir hippt igen. Typ bakning och stickning?
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>>6958
Har du läst TANS? Halva poängen är att du mäter efterfrågan mha offentliga butiker som har som mål att göra sig av med sina inventarier, med hjälp av en prismekanism. Du sätter priserna till varornas värde initial. Om du har för mycket eller för lite av något så justerar du priserna därefter. Prisinformationen går sedan in i beräkningar och produktionsmålen uppdateras därefter. Så om något blir trendigt så kommer det dyka upp i statistiken och produktionen ändras därefter.
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>>6964
Är de fem års planer då eller? Om inte, ska produktionen ändras varje jävla sekund då? Hur i helvete ska man jobba under sådana förhållanden?
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▶ No.6966

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>>6965
>Om inte, ska produktionen ändras varje jävla sekund då?
Vi kan beräkna om planen i realtid ja. Inom vissa områden är det fullt rimligt med femsekundersplaner, exempelvis energisektorn. Inom andra räcker det med kanske en gång per år eller en gång per månad. Se PDF relaterad.
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What part of
>Let's discuss in English, so we can all understand each other (I don't want this to become a circle jerk for Swedes only)
you dont understand?
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▶ No.7038

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>>7037
Kvingår dringår chickën dinnär!
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▶ No.7041

>>7037
>Wickers i hög vinkel tillsammans med Mauser "Kvastskaftet" C96
Ja, detta är sovjetisk krigseffektivitet!

>dkn bägge har iaf söta luggar
Alltid något!
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>>7037
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Vila i frid, Sven. Du är förevigt saknad.
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>>7097
Ngl, I nearly clearly cried when he died.
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>>>/leftypol/820000
>>>/leftypol/819999
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▶ No.7467

>>2241
Laitan tän nyt suomeksi, kun naapuritkin samahomoilevat täällä.
SKP on ihan hyvä vaihtoehto, vaikkei mistään täysverisestä marxismi-leninismistä olekkaan kyse. Parin sadan lapun päässä puoluerekisteristä ja ajaa varmasti jalansijaa myös KTP:llekin, kunhan pääsee vain kasvamaan.
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▶ No.7669

In America billionaires often pay no income tax because of some tricky tax loopholes. How possible is this kind of thing in the Nordics?
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File (hide): 1608515899786.gif (851.95 KB, 326x300, 1606255751674.gif)

>tfw +7000 dead from covid-19 in Sweden
>my reaction when
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>>4291
Oops, my nordic brothers took a wrong turn towards occultism, teehee
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▶ No.8188>>8235>>8681

so, finnish independence day on sunday. but i don't feel like i can celebrate a country which sided with the nazis and fought stalin, and still sides with the americans and other western countries so actively.
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>>8188
Finland got independence from Bolsheviks in 1917, so I think it's something Communists can and should celebrate and remind people about. Of course we should not celebrate the current capitalist state or sink into flag-saluting bourgie nationalism, just like we should not celebrate the capitalist pro-Nazi Finland of 1930's and 1940's. Shit, the WW2 didn't even have anything to do with Finnish indepence.

I love to trigger fascists and other bourgeois idiots by reminding them about Lenin and Stalin, who actually signed the decree recognizing Finland's independence.
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>>8235
Look at finland's borders. Don't they look ugly as fuck? Finland looks ugly on a map, and therefore should either not exist, or it should be socialist and extend to onega, then to the white sea, and own murmansk so that the borders look nice on a map.
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>>8238
>Muh borders
Back in the cage, Fifi
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>>8242
Petty nationalism and globalism have become obsolete. Now i am enlightened, now i know the true path to socialism are making map borders look good.
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>>8243
That was always the goal of leftism. This is also the reason why all islands deserve independence.
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▶ No.8340

>>8238
>finland went for a three year long revenge war and in the end lost the most rich nickel mine in europe and access to north sea
haha we really showed those commies
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>>8238
Dude what the fuck? IMO Finland's borders look nice, it's the "Finnish maiden". But that's not important. Of course Finland should be socialist. And if Finland was a socialist state surrounded by capitalist states, I would not be opposed to expanding the socialist system to other areas.

I know you are just fooling around, but you should know that your comment sounds a lot like "Greater Finland" bullshit that was popular amongst capitalists and fascists in the first half of 20th century and still promoted by some reactionaries.
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▶ No.8388

>>8238
Shaytan I love you but don't post greater Finland, that nation has enough land already.
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>>8188
>sides with the americans and otFher western countries
Finland is a western country, are you a burger or something?
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>>8238
This map is even less ugly. Since norwegians are dumma i huvet* **, their customs staff won't be overburdened by telling *three* countries apart. Also, instead of having angst over sharing a sea with big brother Sweden, the finns can now be even more svårmodig over having sharing 1sea2lakes with bigger brother Russia. It wolud also make the Kola halvö more interesting as it of now looks like an appendix of an appendix that the doctor forgot to remove when Russia was borned. But now it looks like the nose of a gubbe or a moomin where the Lake Inarisjön is the eye.

Make Finland Moomin Again!

*) Yes, I am a swede. How could you tell?
**) If norwegians are so smart, why are they drilling for oil? Check and mate!
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>>8690
I like these borders even better.
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▶ No.8695

>>8694
Very sexy, gib Finland back.
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>>8694
Ok, kinda comfy, but where is the access to the Arctic sea? TBH I prefer the one from 1658. It's like a crowd. And we also controlled Hamburg. Mmm… Reeperbahn…

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