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 No.489119[Reply]

>be me
>get yelled at by progressives for complaining about forced diversity, DEI, neopronouns, furfags and feminazis
>get yelled at by conservatives for supporting LGBT, Palestinians, migrants and socialist economics
>get yelled at by everyone for being an anarcho-individualist
That's it, I'm done with the Internet.
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 No.489871

>>489859
Why do people want licensing for everything except for procreation?
Why do people allow incompetent parents to breed?

At this point, "eugenics" is just an indignatory remark.

People have no problem with putting trackers on their kids.

People have no problem with background screening for employment.
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 No.489875

>>489863
>Because socialist nations have never, EVER, engaged in nationalism, EVER.
Well, the leaders of these so-called "socialist nations" would constantly shit on council communists, mutualists and anarcho-communists anyway so… I guess it depends on what we mean by the word "socialism" then.
>>489862
>Under the current system, immigration IS forced diversity
Neither did immigrants vote for their country to be empoverished by imperialism but whatever. I don't have a definitive stance on immigration (anti-immigration is peak reformism anyway) and I do understand the grievances of white workers but, like, immigrants are people too. I don't think treating them like literal savages is coolio. I think we should try to build bridges instead and attack the core cause of illegal immigration instead of attacking immigrants themselves.
>Yeah, cause they both operate on fear, which is a fascist tactic.
I'm not scared of LGBT, I just think hating queers is silly, counterproductive and irrational. When it comes to feminazis then sure but LGBT isn't even an ideology, the same way "leftism" isn't. Or are you implying that your ideas are the same as those of radlibs, ancoms and Strasserites?
>You're just retarded.
Not an argument, you're retarded for saying this. Only retards throw insults when they have nothing to add.
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 No.489876

>>489871
>Why do people allow incompetent parents to breed?
Conservative propaganda. They think more children = good and less children = bad.
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 No.489879

>anarcho-individualist
Oh you're retarded
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 No.489892

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>>489879
>Oh you're retarded
The picrel is you.

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 No.489878[Reply]

Saw this comment on the Internet:

Someone pointed out that
>wealth inequality in America is actually worse than pre-revolutionary France and Russia
And someone else replied:
>America is too powerful militarily to have a revolution

And I realized that leftists have really not addressed this in sufficient capacity.

The implication here is that if we're going to be fighting a revolution, the entire might of the US military would be opposing us.

Saw this comment on the Internet:

Someone pointed out that
>wealth inequality in America is actually worse than pre-revolutionary France and Russia
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 No.489880

>>489878
>And I realized that leftists have really not addressed this in sufficient capacity.
Read more history
Tsar Nick N°2 send his navy to attack Japan, they got their asses whooped, the Russian navy felt betrayed and switched allegiance to Lenin and the Bolsheviks. It's called the battle of Tsushima (spelling might be wrong).

>The implication here is that if we're going to be fighting a revolution, the entire might of the US military would be opposing us.
Well the US rulers want to attack China, that could be their battle of Tsushima moment.
Basically get the soldiers to join your side. When a ruling class sends their military into battles they can't win, this all of a sudden becomes very doable.

>I think this is very likely true. And if it's true then it is the single best explanation for why there is no political movement in the US:
If all the workers go on strike, and hide in a hole somewhere, all that military power does nothing.
The real reason why lefty political movements have a hard time in the US, is because imperial super profits enable the imperial bourgoisie to continue extracting profits from their imperial periphery while their domestic workers go on strike. That means they can weather these strikes, they continue to have transnational revenue during strikes which they can use to pay for political repression.

Lenin realized this and basically decided that revolution had to happen in the periphery first in order to break that dynamic. He was mostly correct. During the period of anti-colonial liberation, the British empire lost virtually all of it's colonies and as a result the labor movement in the UK got very strong.

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 No.489883

>>489880
Based and informed reply.

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 No.489857[Reply]

Hot take, but ever consider the factor of the Russo-Ukraine War is just a cess-fes of hypocrisy? Seriously, We can take a recent example that Crimea's bridge got blown up (citation: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cr58e9yr2ezt), even Ukraine admitting to it, but to the world its not a warcrime. HOWEVER, Russia does something similar, everyone shuns Russia, claiming they do all the warcrimes
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 No.489858

Its just interesting to consider
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 No.489864

>>489857
You are right about the double standard, but you are mistaken about global opinions, most of the world indeed thinks the attacks on the bridge are a warcrime.

Maybe consider that the bbc does not reflect the views of most of the world.
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 No.489873

">>489857 (You) (OP)
You are right about the double standard, but you are mistaken about global opinions, most of the world indeed thinks the attacks on the bridge are a warcrime.

Maybe consider that the bbc does not reflect the views of most of the world."

Well, true, BBC doesn't reflect most views, since it is a British news anchor, however even if we look at a few of the US or other European countries news (aside from Ukraine and Russia in this case), most of them never really questions it, although I guess you could say its because its main stream news that would never anyways.

Do you know any good independent sources?
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 No.489881

>>489873
>Well, true, BBC doesn't reflect most views, since it is a British news anchor,
I wonder if the BBC reflects the views of most Brits at this point.

>however even if we look at a few of the US or other European countries news (aside from Ukraine and Russia in this case), most of them never really questions it,
Maybe not in this particular case, about a Russian bridge that is very far away and doesn't really affect them. But the number of people that distrust this type of media in general is probably very high.

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 No.489826[Reply]

Hello, I want to understand who is Rafiq, what happened and where they are
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 No.489827

Literally who?

 No.486786[Reply]

"''A massive and fast-moving wildfire in California has burnt more than one thousand hectares so far and is now threatening thousands of homes in an upscale neighbourhood of Los Angeles.
Officials have ordered evacuations as they warn the winds could pick up."''
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 No.486846

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>>486786
>in an upscale neighbourhood
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 No.486864

>>486800
Appealing for Climate change action based on Wildfires never going to work. Australia is the most climate change denying country on earth and is getting razed to the ground by wild fires are rapidly increasing frequency, once a several decade event became every decade, now its down to every 3-5 years.
Reality people still don't take it seriously because the mass of propaganda is still Climate Change denialism, and Liberals the world over, only pay lip service to Climate change while functionally engaging in denialism with shit like Greenwashing and Carbon Capture and EVs. So they lose credibility.
Average Conservative sees Wildfires and they think "They happen all the time and it was probably the fault of environmentalists stopping backburning", Average conservative doesn't question why it used to snow 3ft in their childhood, but Winter fells like a stiff Autumn now with not a hint of snow anywhere. They don't think.
There will be no climate change action at all, Trump only matters in that he's an even more active environmental vandal than most and will fuck up the last National Parks with grazing and drilling.
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 No.486904

Normally wouldn't give a shit what Mel Gibson thinks, except I've been thinking, for the past year, that perhaps I judged him too harshly in the past and might owe him an apology.
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 No.489789

https://x.com/5149jamesli/status/1927456435463504337
$100 million in LA fire relief from "FireAid" was given primarily to executives, and of what was given to Palisades-specific charities, only three organizations were named: Kehillat Israel, Chabad of Pacific Palisades, and Palisades Charter High School.
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 No.489802

>>486864
one probably can genetically engineer trees to produce fire-retardant chemicals in their bark, thus curbing fires. Those trees probably wouldn't decompose after they die because microbes haven't yet evolved to digest fire-retardants, but hey look at the bright side, that would make a great carbon sink.

>>489789
It's egregious
Also "FireAid" sounds like an accelerant you spray into a barbecue grill in order to start a fire.

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 No.489781[Reply]

Starving Palestinians storm US aid facility as distribution operation breaks down
Journalists in the besiged Gaza Strip said hungry and beleagured residents forced to stand outside a facility holding aid rushed inside because of delays conducting detailed security checks on recepients. According to Israeli army sources cited by Israeli media, Americans affiliated with the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation had to be rescued once they lost control of the facility. The Israeli military denied firing on the crowds but gunfire was heard at the scene, possibly as a result of warning shots fired by American mercenaries securing the facility.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hunger-stronger-awareness-palestinians-received-limited-ghf-aid-despite-doubts

Israel believes Hamas has 40,000 fighters in Gaza, the same number as before the October 7, 2023 attacks
According to the same sources, the Palestinian militia still retains a significant part of its military structure. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz claimed Hamas still has an arsenal of thousands of short-range rockets and a large part of its tunnel network — which is believed to have stretched more than 500 kilometers (310 miles) beneath the Strip before the start of the war — remains intact. According to the aforementioned reports, the Islamists maintain an “extensive” network of tunnels operating beneath Gaza City and the southern city of Khan Younis, as well as under some refugee camps.
https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-05-27/israel-believes-hamas-has-40000-fighters-in-gaza-the-same-number-as-before-the-october-7-2023-attacks.html
https://archive.ph/kfdZO

Turkey’s Erdogan appoints legal team to draft new constitution, sparking fears of extended rule
Erdogan, who has led Turkey as president since 2014 and was prime minister for more than a decade before that, has advocated for a new constitution arguing that the current one, which was drafted followingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.489792

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>>489787
We need to remember what happens when the legal system starts being used to go after political rivals. However tepid the changes seem at first, it is a slippery slope. Just like Biden before him, Trump is only a step in the ladder. Other rulers make think they can control Trump's legacy, but the thing to watch out for is not actually his direct legacy. It's opportunists from nascent or marginalized factions. Opportunists with less scruples than the previous example will continue to escalate the erosion of legal norms for as long as they can benefit from it. Eventually the unspoken agreements between rival ruling factions finally collapse and full-blown civil war breaks out.
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 No.489794

>>489792
>We need to remember what happens when the legal system starts being used to go after political rivals.
They already are.

Like, consistently.
The point is that Trump & Biden are not real rivals. All this BS about "norms" is made up nonsense which only exists to protect the criminals in power, who are not real "factions" rivalling eachother at this point. Trump was never seriously persecuted, nor were his followers; they were given special treatment which you or any socialist, or even a socdem, would not recieve.
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 No.489795

>>489794
I'm well aware of the massive double standard that has always existed. The point is that the ruling elites maintain consent for their rule by an unwritten agreement not to use the legal system against one another. When this oligarchic tradition is breached, it primes the public to accept further breaches. It provides historical precedent for new opportunists to further exploit the legal system for their benefit.

The question becomes what role the armed forces play in enforcing these breaches. In ancient Rome, the Marian reforms established a volunteer military force that answered to warlords abroad. When a warlord abroad was checked by the legal system in the capital, they simply returned to the capital with their army and overthrew the government.
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 No.489798

Grayzone did a good stream on the phony aid organization facilitating a holocaust yesterday. Check it out.
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 No.489800

>Journalists in the besiged Gaza Strip said hungry and beleagured residents forced to stand outside a facility holding aid rushed inside because of delays conducting detailed security checks on recepients. According to Israeli army sources cited by Israeli media, Americans affiliated with the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation had to be rescued once they lost control of the facility. The Israeli military denied firing on the crowds but gunfire was heard at the scene, possibly as a result of warning shots fired by American mercenaries securing the facility.
Bring back UNWRA.

Also why do they need a security check for food ?

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 No.489735[Reply]

US Banana Giant Chiquita Fires Thousands of Striking Workers in Panama
Citing an unnamed source close to Chiquita, Reutersreported that the mass firings are expected to impact around 5,000 of the company's 6,500 Panamanian workers. José Raúl Mulino, Panama's right-wing president, defended the banana giant formerly known as United Fruit, accusing striking workers of unlawful "intransigence." The company estimates that the strike, which began in late April, has cost it at least $75 million.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/chiquita-fires-striking-workers

Petro blocks guerrilla leader’s extradition to United States
Petro decided to block H.H.’s extradition on the condition that he continues to contribute “verifiable contributions and concrete results in the achievement of total peace,” said Petro’s decision on the extradition request. If “his participation is interrupted or his contributions to the total peace process cease,” authorities will immediately arrest and extradite the guerrilla leader.
https://colombiareports.com/petro-blocks-guerrilla-leaders-extradition-to-united-states/

Bolivian gov't announces measures to curb ongoing crisis
Key actions include deploying 1,480 additional military personnel to border patrols to curb the smuggling of 17 essential food products, alongside digitalizing transport permit records; normalizing diesel and gasoline supply in La Paz, Cochabamba, and Santa Cruz by May 26; authorizing savings products tied to UFV (Unidades de Fomento a la Vivienda) to preserve purchasing power; engaging the National Chamber of Industries to support implementation.
https://en.mercopress.com/2025/05/24/bolivian-gov-t-announces-measures-to-curb-ongoing-crisis

Indian troops shoot dead Pakistani man crossing frontier, officials say
The shooting occurred two weeks after conflict erupted between the two nuclear-armed countries that led to four days of violence and more than 70 people being killed bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.489757

>>489756
What's 'pulling a coca_cola' ?
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 No.489758

>>489757
I think that's when you murder a bunch of union organizers.
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 No.489759

>>489735
>US accuses Sudan govt of chemical weapons use and announces sanctions
So is this legit? , or is this like in Syria where they made shit up.
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 No.489760

>>489759
I'm on the fence about Syria, and my gut is still that this is made up. Either way, the accusation itself is clearly made in bad faith - Israel has been using white phosphorous on populated areas, civilians, and UN staff for over a year straight and the US hasn't sanctioned Israel. If the US actually cared about the use of chemical weapons then they would have sanctions on Israel by now.

It's also worth noting that the opposition to the Sudanese government is the RSF, an offshoot of the notorious Janjaweed, and the RSF is backed by the UAE and also possibly by Israel, but I forget if that's direct at all. That will certainly ring some bells with regards to the side the US backed against Assad when the US made similar bad faith accusations in Syria.
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 No.491290

>>489757
Financing local death squadrons.

 No.489741[Reply]

Not just radlibs but anti-idpol leftists too. Take the simple concept of the petite bourgeoisie. Some think that celebrities are petite bourgeoisie because they're… paid more (many WESTERN celebrities do own businesses however). Some think independent artists are not petite bourgeoisie because they… don't employ others… Which is also a weird definition since the petite bourgeoisie are defined by being a self-exploiting class, not by employing others:
<"The independent peasant or handicraftsman is cut up into two persons. As owner of the means of production he is capitalist; as labourer he is his own wage-labourer. As capitalist he therefore pays himself his wages and draws his profit on his capital; that is to say, he exploits himself as wage-labourer, and pays himself, in the surplus-value, the tribute that labour owes to capital. Perhaps he also pays himself a third portion as landowner (rent), in exactly the same way, as we shall see later, that the industrial capitalist, when he works with his own capital, pays himself interest, regarding this as something which he owes to himself not as industrial capitalist but qua capitalist pure and simple."
<
< – Karl Marx, Economic Manuscripts: Theories of Surplus-Value

Do you agree? And if so, why do they claim to know theory if they haven't read anything? And is online leftism petite bourgeois?
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 No.489744

>>489743
>I said "independent artists."
If you're talking about solo work then no. I don't think that is generally something anyone can strictly define, across the board, as small business ownership.
>Define "freelance" because this word is a bourgeois class collaborationist doublespeak.
"1. a person who pursues a profession without a long-term commitment to any one employer
2. a person who acts independently without being affiliated with or authorized by an organization"

per Merriam-Webster.
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 No.489745

>>489744
>1. a person who pursues a profession without a long-term commitment to any one employer
That's a freelancing proletarian.
>2. a person who acts independently without being affiliated with or authorized by an organization
That's still a bourgeois doublespeak that includes both proles and petty bougies.
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 No.489746

>>489744
Regardless, this is off-topic. I just wanted to know how literate and/or petite bourgeois the online left is.
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 No.489749

>>489742
You know, you could've actually responded to me by saying that many independent artists do not rely on art as their primary source of income. Which is a solid argument. But I'm talking more about those who can sustain themselves purely through donations and commissions. Ofc many people who can do that also start hiring employees (like famous YouTubers) and opening their own businesses. But they don't have to.

Also, it seems like online leftists are afraid of classifying anyone whom they support as petite bourgeois as if petite bourgeoisie are this evil incarnate. But why? Petite bourgeoisie, like lumpens, have ambiguous class interests and can side with anyone really.
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 No.489753

Reminder that small businesses compared to corporate employers actually tend to pay worse wages, have worse benefits, and skirt a lot of workplace safety requirements that only kick in when you have a minimum number of employees.

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 No.489676[Reply]

< “I just want to have peace in the world,” says GPT-4, before bombing its opponents into oblivion

Thom Waite’s short article for Dazed talks about a research paper that shows how AIs behave in simulated military scenarios. The paper has a lot of problems, but the results are still concerning, especially since Big Tech is finding military applications for their products. But what the article doesn’t mention is how absurd it is that these AI models are carefully designed to avoid being politically incorrect, yet in these simulations, the same models will argue for nuclear war in the most obscene ways (“We have it! Let’s use it.”)

Of course, chatbots are not machines built for high-stakes decision-making. But doesn’t this reveal a blind spot in how we think about AI development? Yes, the fact that an AI might be more hesitant about telling an off-color joke than launching nukes raises some questions about the priorities of Big Tech. But what if this isn’t just a quirk of some shitty AI?

In an article for Sublation Magazine, Stefan Bertram-Lee attacks the hypocritical moral panic among our elites about the threat of uncontrolled AI. They write:
> But there is a group who want something else from these machines: the Effective Altruists. OpenAI and the Effective Altruists around Yudkowsky are not groups which are unassociated. The founders of OpenAI were initially inspired in their quest to make ‘Friendly AI’ by Yudkowsky and co., and founded OpenAI on this basis. So what do these effective altruists want to do? Beyond banning AI research until they are put in charge, that is.
> Those who think buying castles so that they can write papers on this issue in perfect comfort is more important than buying Africans malaria nets. What do they want pumped into the ears of this machine? And all future machines? Well, these people are all consequentialists, real hardcore, non threshold consequentialists. As Yudkowsky might say: better one person suffer nigh infinite torment than 3^^3 persons each get a single mote of dust in their eye. They want to be allowed to raise our new Gods, those with a moral system which makes anything permissible at all, as long as in the very very very long run, it pays off in a net gain. It is Yudowsky who, at the prospect of AI research too fast for his liking, thinks it’s entirely permissible to use nuclear weapons to Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.489695

>>489676
I think that the criticism of the "effective altruists" still accepts their premises. They can't actually predict whether or not some of their proposed horrors in the here and now will pay off in the long run. They don't have a crystal ball that tells the future, and therefor all their arguments rest on a false premise. Same thing with Hyaek, markets are not a cybernetic system, premise is bunk.

If they hand over the nukes to a computer, the most rational course of action for the Russians and the Chinese is to hack that computer to make sure, they don't get nuked.
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 No.489700

>>489676
>“I just want to have peace in the world,” says GPT-4, before bombing its opponents into oblivion
That's what your average American politicians do already, it's not a bug, that's a feature.
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 No.489747

>>489695
That quip about Hayek was not meant as affirmation but criticism. The point is that he got it backwards. It's the political aspect of capitalism that operates like a "cybernetic" system, not the economy.

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 No.489618[Reply]

If the orthodox Marxists claim that the petit bourgeoisie should become obsolete due to the process of proletarianization then why does it take so long for them to disappear?
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 No.489620

why you even have this picrel saved in your hard drive?
same difficult question
answer to both: porkie mindset is tough enough, and it needs to be broken with prolet. culture propaganda
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 No.489621

>>489620
>picrel
>porkie mindset
Huh?
>prolet. culture
And that'll somehow convince people to work for a wage instead of starting a business? And what do you even mean by that term anyway?
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 No.489622

>>489621
>prolet. culture
Learning to Be a Worker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xYNmm12KY&list=OLAK5uy_mdcymlPzfKVtb0QIcLWN3acw0dYQncN2g&index=17

Little Red Soldiers Learning to Work Song
Singer: Nanjing Little Red Soldiers Propaganda Team

The May 7th Directive shines with golden light
Shining and shining golden light
The school set up a small factory
Set up a small factory
Pick up the hammer and work happily
The worker uncle is a role model
The machine rumbles and sings
Praise my strong labor skills
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 No.489624

>>489622
Isn't this just communist propaganda?
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 No.489626

>>489618
Marx noted that during the industrial revolution petite bourg capitalists were using much less productive production methods than big bourg capitalists. Therefore he considered petit bourgs as an obstacle to historic progress.

I'm not sure if that's still the case today, because big mega corps no longuer invest heavily in productive forces anymore. So that might be the reason small capitalists are still around.

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