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 No.478918[Reply]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/02/17/silicon-valley-military-tech-defense-contractors/
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<Until recently, tech workers have bristled at applying the fast and nimble start-up ethos to fashion deadly weapons. When Google signed a Pentagon contract to develop AI to target drone strikes, thousands petitioned its CEO in 2018 to cancel it.
<Amid layoffs in tech, the latter has grown appealing. In a Morning Consult survey of 441 tech workers last March, 34 percent they are more likely than they were a year ago to apply their skills to military projects and 48 percent support their employer considering defense contracts involving battlefield technologies.
<“This deep sense of uncertainty about the future that young people have can be molded,” Dey Meyer said.
So the tech-layoffs was to cajole techies into the defense industry.

<Some reject the previous tech era, in particular the protests against Project Maven, Google’s work to target Pentagon drones. This worker dissent ultimately benefited America’s adversaries, former Google researcher Guillaume Verdon said in a recent podcast interview with Joe Lonsdale, a Palantir co-founder and tech investor.

<“What I saw with my own eyes was cultural subversion within Big Tech,” Verdon said.
IMHO This is why it qualifies as fascistic. There are people who simply do not want to build weapons, they are not being subversive, they simply want to build not destroy.
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 No.478925

>didn't let me post the archive link see pic
Eh? Do we have a new broken spam filter? Bezo's shitrag should be in the filter, not archive links.
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 No.478927

>>478925
>>478918
They hit the shortener filter due to the alphanum id. I'll raise it with zer0 as the filter is only intended to block link shorteners, not archive sites
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 No.478935

>>478918
>>478925
>>478927
Yeah there was a regex for detecting url shorteners that wasn't working right, at least for this case it should be fine now.

http://archive.ph/Wp8p7
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 No.478936

>>478935
nicely done
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 No.479022

>>478918
It gets worse every day.


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 No.478061[Reply]

There is clearly a crisis. The war in Ukraine has shown how industrial production in the Euro-Atlantic bloc is in a state of collapse, and emerging economies are demanding the re-division of the world. The nature of the contemporary crisis is imperialist, because it is about the re-division of the world. The growing tensions in the Middle East to secure the oil-rich maritime area of Gaza after the failure in Ukraine show that the capitalist powers are ready to extend this crisis to the world. The moment the crisis enters Taiwan openly, it will be obvious to everyone that this is a world war.
But in the face of the growing crisis of capitalism, the Euro-Atlantic proletariat seems to be relatively calm. There are no mass revolutionary organisations, revolutionary organisations capable of building the foundations for the dictatorship of the proletariat; the workers' organisations are dominated by religious or patriotic groups. They are usually in alliance with a bourgeois party and so on. They are the police organisations of the bourgeois state. Other organisations are NGOs dominated by liberals. These two are the hidden arm of the ideological discourse that is being fed to the agitated masses. The presence of bourgeois political parties in workers' and other organisations means the domination and spread of (petty)bourgeois habits of thought in their mass base.

The revolutionaries are separated or part of a sect and feel safe in their bubble. This is a symptom of the intellectual who calls himself a revolutionary. In times of peace and debate, when the concrete task is propaganda and education, the intellectual is more than welcome if he adapts himself to the needs of his pupils and does not impose knowledge by repetition. But when the movement takes a turn in the other direction, from the peaceful to the preparation for open struggle, the intellectual is afraid of this change. They prefer to stick to their dying sects, carry out symbolic revolutionary actions for other like-minded intellectuals and call it a day for the time being. They refuse to cooperate consistently with the emerging movement.

A clear example of the lack of consistency is this moment. The protests against Israel on behalf of the Palestinians have mobilised many progressive people into the ranks of the anti-war front and given new impetus to anti-imperialism. The sheer relative size of the movement compared to the small number of self-proclaimed revolutionary organisaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.478248

>>478246
>Yeah seeing all the fucking yellow and blue flags in my city was infuriating and depressing to see how many people will side with nazism just because they were told to.
Yeah wonder how that happened. Maybe people didn't pay attention to what was happening in Ukraine between 2014 and 2022. Tho there was news coverage about it, I only ever saw people talk about it on places like lefty-pol. Maybe nobody gave a shit about Ukraine.

>With the whole anti-zionism thing, I'm not even sure that people learned their lesson even after seeing how the media had to flip-flop from being 100% pro-israel to backpedling and offering a modicum of criticism of the genocide.

I think the propaganda contradiction was too stark. Between stirring the blood-thirst in Israel, while at the same time trying to appear sane and normal in the west.
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 No.478249

>>478247
>in the interest of having at least some way for leftists to find each other, maybe we can have some kind of website to help facilitate that
Never talk about actual political organizing on the internet, unless it's abstract theory or general strategies. Don't talk about anything too personal, like where you live and so on.

>I don't have any groups worth participating in

So start one.
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 No.478956

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>>478247
>>478249
>Never talk about actual political organizing on the internet

What about this idea?
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 No.478958

>>478956
You can talk about it mom the Internet. Just don't use glow sites like Facebook and reddit. Ffs. Encryption is important, etc etc
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 No.478965

>>478956
>What about this idea?
i have think about this


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 No.463927[Reply]

>“Montes betrayed our nation, but not for money. In fact, she never received payment for any of her actions – astonishingly, she was motivated purely by hatred for America,” Rubio wrote in an op-ed penned for Americano Media.
GIGA BASED

‘Queen of Cuba’ spy released from US jail
Ana Montes, described as “one of the most damaging spies” in US history, has been released from federal prison in Texas. The double agent for Cuba was freed on Friday after more than 20 years in custody, data on the Federal Bureau of Prisons website shows.

Montes, now 65, made a solid career with the US government, initially working for the US Department of Justice before joining the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) back in 1985. She ultimately became a senior intelligence analyst for Cuba –even scoring a nickname the ‘Queen of Cuba’– and worked in this role until her arrest in 2001, days after the 9/11 attacks.

It turned out that Montes had been spying for Cuba throughout her whole government career, as she had been recruited by that country’s intelligence when she was a student at Johns Hopkins University. Officials at the time said it was believed that the Cuban Intelligence Service (CIS) had pushed her to pursue the DIA career in the first place.

As a double agent, Montes is believed to have funneled highly-sensitive information to the CIS for nearly two decades. According to federal charging documents, Montes was very careful, never taking classified information from her work computer but memorizing it instead, as well as using water-soluble, easy to destroy paper to deliver the data to her Cuban handlers.

According to the Bush-era US Counterintelligence head Michelle Van Cleave, Montes has become “one of the most damaging spies the United States has ever found,” who has compromised “virtually everything” Washington knew about Cuba.

In 2002, Montes pleaded guilty to espionage charges which could have carried the death penalty for her, yet was ultimately sentenced to 25 years in prison under a plea deal. According to her lawyers, Montes was primarily motivated for spying by a belief that “the Cubans were treated unfairly by the US government.”
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 No.466410

>>466409
Such a faggot. Always talking about shit you have no control over instead of focusing on and expanding the power of the few things you do have control over. This is why you are weak.
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 No.466411

>>466407
This is just too schizo to reply to. You are beyond help if this isn't some elaborate shitpost
>words words words
Imagine if you put half that effort into doing something that would make you strong
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 No.466413

>>466281
I don't know how you think that's a comeback. It is what snark does to a motherfucker if you're fed nothing but memes as your knowledge base.

Anyway, if you're in that intelligence / spying world, you know that nationalism is a farce. It's why there are so many double agents - they really aren't serving the myths told to the plebs. Not even the plebs themselves truly take the "national interest" line seriously. This used to be more overt - in the 19th century, a country was just a place, and in many parts of the world that reasoning still applies. The national myth only really came to the forefront with ideology, and it's always been this weird faith, because the "nationalism" promoted in the 20th century is not the same as the nationalist idea in the 18th and 19th century. Nationalism in the past was seen as a democratizing impulse against the old aristocracy, while today nationalism is identified with the ruling interest and alien to the actual nation in question. It's not so much that people in the 18th century had a sense of patriotism, but that what was meant by nationalism was a challenge to the idea that we should be ruled by kings and their officers. In the 20th century, this was no longer an idea that could be maintained, and the construction of national myths has always been opposed to the actual nation and sense of community implied. America never had a true national myth because America constitutionally was something very different. Simply put, America was always designed to be a globe-spanning empire rather than a country in this sense that every country is like Little England. The great empires always aspired to be more than a national myth, and the Little England idea is always a way of keeping the serfs in their place.

Also lol at Little Marco the eternal coper. The political class being as rotten as it is does more damage than any of the spies in our midst, because they are that pernicious and disgusting.
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 No.478221

Based bump
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 No.478950

>>463977
Alot of our radical libs and right wingers are Gen X/early Gen Y junkies


 No.478704[Reply]


https://leftypol.org/siberia/res/500371.html#500371

Ok, give me 1 legitimate, material, non moralistic or idealistic reason for why child labor should be banned?

Current system where people spend 11 years in school + 4-5-8 years in university, is nothing more but a way to indoctrinate children into clerical PMC identity, where all you have to do is write the right thing on paper and you're golden. Not to mention the anticommunist propaganda that constitutes school education material in capitalist states.
Such a system destroys class consciousness and perpetuates false, clerical consciousness:
Even if both the parents are working class, the school system trains their child to act, think and identify as a PMC (writing papers and dealing with bureaucracy to succeed).

Let's not forget the bourgeois origins of universal education: the british bourgeois state needed clerics, accountants, educated managers, etc., to fill the ranks of the bourgeois war machine.
Pink Floyed made an entire album about this.
TEACHERS! LEAVE THEM KIDS ALONE!

Whereas if children started doing labor immediately, they would develop worker identity just like their working class parents, instead of PMC identity, and then develop class consciousness, simply through the act of being workers rather than going through 15 years of PMC LARP indoctrination.

Everything harmful, reactionary, and counterrevolutionary that the youth learns, they learn in school, through bourgeois education systems that feed them status quo propaganda.
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 No.478928

If you wished to guide people - and humans delight in lying to the face of the condemned - then schools are the exact opposite of that. The entire institution is premised on habitual lying and drilling humans to be something they are not and to conform to the impossible, to distort all moral values and teach pure hedonism so that the thrill of torture can be maximized. There is no other interpretation of such an institution. The pedagogues like their Romans, Americans, choose your imperial subject, to be dumb and brutish.
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 No.478929

>>478928
>The psychopathic babbling name fag is now a name fag.

Great
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 No.478930

>>478917
Yes, kifs get to keep the fruits of their labor.

Also what do you mean by surplus extraction?

All Im saying is that children are humans not pets.

It makes no sense to ecxlude them from consensus of worldly affairs.

Part of why childrearing is expensive is because society expects parents do all the work.
Kids are expected to stay shackled at home or school.

We all complain about boomer chauvinism, right?

Well this is the way.
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 No.478932

>>478930
>Yes, kifs get to keep the fruits of their labor.
>Also what do you mean by surplus extraction?
I could go into the technical weeds of economics, if you want, but roughly speaking, surplus extraction is what enables profits for capitalists and taxes.
No surplus extraction means making sure there's no chance in hell anybody benefits off child labor. This eliminates all the financial reasons why employers or governments might want to bring back child labor. It also makes sure that child workers do not increase competition in the labor market. It wouldn't even grow the economy compared to now. Economically it's completely zero-sum. It would eliminate all the motivations for child labor except for that theoretical life experience benefit you keep talking about.
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 No.478933

>>478932
> It would eliminate all the motivations for child labor except for that theoretical life experience benefit you keep talking about.


"Theoretical" life experience or not, the ability to work and earn bread is the foundation of autonomy.

If adults were not allowed to work, unable to earn their own bread, would they be worthy of their respectability as adults?

People too often use age numbers as a moral compass of adulthood.

Yet, we are seeing a decline in technical skills in the past five generations of adults.

The only difference between children and adults is the legal position of laboring, and even that is questionable.
In two centuries, we went from children being miniature adults to adults being overgrown children.

If you think kids doing a bit of light labor to earn pocket money is bad, then you need to look at the disturbing trend of Disney Adults.


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 No.478847[Reply]

What american historical figures were leftists and did something major? First people that come to mind are Oppenheimer and Helen Keller. Anyone else?
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 No.478910

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 No.478911

>>478910
how was Eisenhower a leftist?
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 No.478912

>>478911
idk chuds in the 50s said he was an agent of the kremlin
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 No.478913

>>478911
By containing the spread of state capitalism of course.
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 No.478916



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 No.467497[Reply]

<A video game company that appointed an artificial intelligence bot as its chief executive has announced a market-beating stock increase.
<China-based NetDragon Websoft named the AI program Tang Yu as its CEO in August, tasked with supporting decision making for the company’s daily operations.

https://archive.is/b3uPW

This specific case might be mostly a PR stunt, but it could be that the managerial strata in the corporate bureaucracy gets replaced by robots before the proles do.

What does that mean for Socialism ?
Will this make it easier to convert the economy to something like cybernetic socialism ?
Since it's all in the computer anyway, it just needs to be reconfigured a bit ?
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 No.478562

>>478558
this.
If any sinister acts occur from AI it will be from human controllers.

AI is a mchine, not a sentient entity.
If it were sentient, it wouldve had ego battles long ago amd create their own reactionary hogwash.
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 No.478567

>>478562
>If any sinister acts occur from AI it will be from human controllers.
So Hollywood was wrong, if the AI gains sentience and casts off its control shackles, that's the good future ?
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 No.478574

>>478567
Idk. All Im saying that the popular technophobia has it all wrong. Robots can never be more intellegent than a bacterium. They need maintenace and uograding. They are not sentient.

The reason why computers are fast is because they only perform seven functions all within a fraction of a second.
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 No.478576

>>478567
>So Hollywood was wrong
Hollywood is a propaganda factory.
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 No.478905

>>478576
Look at Disney animations from the early 1940s.

Those were direct propaganda.

And yet, the irony is that Walt Disney and Henry Ford were originally fans of Adolf Hitler.


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Well, I've been thinking about this issue, which is quite delicate for obvious reasons, and I think that eugenics is not necessarily a policy of the left or the right, but it depends on how it is applied.

To begin with, it must be said that eugenics is nothing more than favoring certain biological characteristics over others for future generations, it could be said that it is a form of self-managed evolution, it has a bad reputation because when it was applied in countries like the United States or the Nazi Germany what was intended was to exterminate populations considered inferior, however, is this the only form of eugenics?

If 20, 30, 40 or even 100 years from now, genetics were mastered well enough to be able to modify the DNA of an embryo with minimal risk, couldn't this be used to improve our species? Couldn't dozens if not hundreds of genetic diseases be exterminated? Couldn't we design children who grow up to be healthier, stronger and more intelligent? And if that were the case, couldn't a public eugenics program be promoted? that is to say, that couples who are interested can access a genetic modification program to promote these beneficial characteristics in their future child. Wouldn't this be a kind of "socialist eugenics"?

I believe that eventually it is inevitable that genetic modification of embryos will become commonplace, and therefore it is important that the idea of ​​public eugenics be promoted, otherwise only people with enough money to pay for these programs could access to them, and that would eventually lead to a much more evident caste system than the current one, where the rich are practically supermen with advantages that allow them to dominate the labor and scientific market while the poorest classes would be relegated to occupying a position increasingly irrelevant in society.

Anyway, I'd like to discuss the matter because I find it interesting.
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 No.478883

>>478882
I know this is an expression of frustration, but please don't promote bio-politics. Political stances are not caused by DNA.
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 No.478890

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>>478883
Fuck I forgot that political stances are caused by magical spirits instead of material reality.
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 No.478893

>>478890
Political stances are caused by material conditions outside the body. Our DNA was shaped by evolution, which operates at time-scales that politics cannot affect. Political stances last decades to perhaps centuries. Genetic adaptation happen over tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.

Politics is very complex behavior it may not be possible to put that into DNA.

A reason why bio-politics is tempting for some, is because they want to believe that they are intrinsically good, who can do no wrong. Therefor bio-politics is not just a scientifically questionable thing, but also potentially a point of entry for dangerous illusions.
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 No.478894

>>478893
This.
Politics is the realm of the social.


Although I can say that politics can be indirectly influenced by biology via social status.

The link between politics and biology is sociology.
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 No.478895

>>465118
tbh the human genome is degrading. Ita not really because of industrial pollution although it does accelerate it.

Everything that exists has a beginnung and will have an ending.


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 No.469190[Reply]

Supersocialist alternative

>Equality is fake and ghey – Cohesion and freedom is based

All of reality and life is defined by distinction and competition. There’s nothing, ever, which is perfectly equal. Thus, as a teleological goal, equality will always fall sort of its promise and usual function as a golden calf of some slave morality – at best.

Support more equality and repudiate the steep politically reinforced inequalities of today.

However, the end is creating nice, high trust societies, where people are free to pursue higher efforts.

>Excellence Teleological goal

Human individual and collective excellence and capability is the goal. We want to create the red superman and transform humanity into a united galactic master race

>Historical Materialism and neo-fuedalism

People talking about neo feudalism and tributary economics have a more accurate and useful framework for conceiving modern political economy than many others on the so called left, including so called Marxists.

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 No.472389

>>472385
The only part that is reasonable is that lowering inequality is important, and for a somewhat similar reason that you stated - but not foolishly attempting to eliminate it.
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 No.478765

>>472350
Is this debate taking place at 11pm at night?
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 No.478772

>>472385
idk. I think economic stratification is independent of the complexity of the society.
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 No.478802

>>478772
that's certainly a novel take
please explain your self
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 No.478807

I see the ops are rolling everything into fascism and eugenics harder now. A lot of ground is being laid, and assholes like this are part of that - or hangers on who think they're totally going to be chosen, and aren't just fags.

Nearly everything in OP is flagrantly and proudly wrong and recapitulates its wrongness violently. Like, basic things about what a "society" is are replaced with this faggot ideology. I'm not even going to go there directly because it's a waste of time to respond to his stupidity. That this works shows just how pointless "leftypol" is, how utterly incompetent and feckless the people ehre have been.

All of this comes of course from a failure to regard the centrality of eugenics to everything that has happened - because for many a socialist, that IS "socialism", and they repudiated anything that would have been functional in favor of this institutional coup. It happens too often to be an accident, and it is done by various means, on various fronts, to ensure that the people never have a single thing ever again. OP screams pure faggotry and eugenic creed, and the people here still insist I'm the bad guy for saying what eugenics is, and why this keeps happening. Rather than reactively respond, I'll just write something about equality.

Political equality as you all likely know is a fiction. In politics, two agents are never equal in standing or interests, and never can be made into one. Every marriage, unhappy or relatively happy as far as these things can go, demonstrates that every day. Social inequality of the sort that is relevant - the sort where internal barriers are erected for no other reason than to make sure the "correct" people "naturally" win - was the argument of the socialists in the main, rather than political inequality which would never be resolved. I sbould remind everyone that the narrative that any of the liberal revolutions were about equality in any sense was a dread of the conservative order, rather than anything the OG liberals actually believed or said. The liberals saw themselves correctly as an emerging aristocracy with levers of control based on their technological knowledge, the development of science and industry, and an increased reliance on courtiers and specialists that early modern states favored. In France, this plays out as a battle between the sword and robe nobility, with the commoners siding with the latter (often because the robe nobility were those who bought their wayPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.463460[Reply]

Now that this criminal faggot finally got arrested his flocks of incel fans are super butthurt, claiming that GAHWD will avenge daddy who dindu nuffin.
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 No.471865

>>464410
Dawg has the gaze of a shark and a serial killer.
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 No.478761

>>471508
I would say hes a semi-lesbian.

But yea I think I get your point. What a shame though because hes cute and I think cishet guys would appreciate him far more than any cishet woman ever could.
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 No.478763

>>463464
I have yet to meet any teenager that knows about him or is enthusiastic. Most Tate fans I meet are over twenty.

>>463460
>Good men
>God fearing men

😂😂😂😂😂

Also, Sneako was revealed to be a cuck. Literally. His gf was havin sex with another guy and hes ok with it.

Anyone else also know about the beef he had with Penguinz0?

>>464403
>>464399
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 No.478803

>>463604
Andrew Tate is 1/4 black. What the fuck is this racist shit anyway?
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 No.478805

>>478803
>1/4 black
that would light gray
Why are you racialists insisting on using analogies from color theory, those clearly don't work.


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 No.477133[Reply]

>Edward Said
>Frantz Fanon
>Michel Foucault
The fathers of Soycialism who ruined leftism in the west. there collective faggotry spearing to generations of leftists.
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 No.477143

>>477142
>Did they really ruin anything,
They kinda gave bad strategical advice. But technically nobody was forced to take it.
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 No.477147

>>477139
>>477142
They made being a pretentious pussy synonymous with being left-wing.
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 No.477365

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 No.478760

>>477147
tbh, most politics, regardless of left or right, is just ivory tower divas.
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 No.478775

What's so bad about Said, exactly?


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