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 No.479142[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I would like to know, who is browsing this site. So I'm asking you this fundamental question. Give me your isms!
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 No.480396

>>480394
>The economic relations in the Soviet Union had some left over feudal and capitalist relations, and the dominant mode of production was lower stage socialism.
I don't believe in lower stages, communism, and other shit that doesn't logically follow from histmat.

We have empirical (ie historical) data only about two industrial modes of production: ancient-industrial and asicatic-industrial. That's it.

So your appeals to pulled out of the ass future stages means nothing to me.

>Which did not produce class divisions.

It did.

Class composition of the SU was extensively analyzed by Voslensky in his "Nomenklatura" from marxist positions.

It took a person ACTUALLY LIVING under that mode of production to actually analyze its class character. Duh.

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 No.480405

>assuming one ideological school is universally applicable
ISHYGDDT

Material conditions, people.
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 No.480406

>>480405
So your ideology is that material conditions matter more than anything else.
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 No.480407

>>480406
Prove it.
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 No.480409

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>>480407
And now your ideology is that assertions must be proven. How ideological of you.


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 No.479107[Reply]

So I took a 1 year break of leftypol and now I see this site, leftychan? Another split? Oh you leftoids, we do you keep splittin all the time? What was the reason this time?
(Sorry for the pic, I'm runnin on 56kbit/s)
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 No.480269

>>480266
Youre confusing all education as the same.

Higher education should be more for white collar. Theyre forcing young people to be these absolute polymaths with all this scholastic stuff but theyre scared of teaching young people technical skills.
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 No.480271

>>480269
>theyre scared of teaching young people technical skills.
Who's they, and how do we get young people interested in technical tinkering ?
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 No.480272

>>480266
there is no reason this shit should be 4 years

KISS, you don't need any math for majority of work

cut the length, cut the costs

1 year and you get your degree, that's what I'm talking about
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 No.480273

>>480271
We all start out interested in technical tinkering as kids.

Also by "they", I mean adults in general.
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 No.480274

>>480265
The K-12 grade-level educational system was made in Prussia circa the 18th century.
Germans adapted it.


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 No.480083[Reply]

Industrial production in the west has been in harsh decline
reasons:
<neo-lib economics, negative spiral of support industries going away, increasing energy costs, deteriorating infrastructure, deskilling of labor, rising cost of living, patents and copyright blocking new technologies with legal risk, other factors
Bringing back factories that produce things hinges on great political changes.

There might be a way to produce things anyway as DIY educational kits for self assembly. The customer trades time to build the kit, for a lower price, and some design compromises. That should be worth it for people with low income, and people who like building stuff. Added benefits of open design are excellent repair-ability and for electronic gadgets it may provide an escape from corporate-fuck-the-consumer-products.

The neo-liberals clearly do not want production activity in their economic circuits for some reason, by shifting that activity to diy leisure time, it might become economically viable in neolib structures. The question is whether people will go for this ?
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 No.480154

>>480144
>The quickest way is to start the work now and not stop.
So grinding for political power ?
I guess that requires analyzing what the neo-libs do to entrench their power and then use that to fuel the grind, the harder they seek to entrench: the more fuel. This type of activity is incredibly miserable for normal people, we won't be able to do it unless we find a way to counteract the "mental abrasion".

>We need to reindustrialize, and small-scale won't cut it.

The small scale stuff is something that can be done right now.
Reindustrializing only happens as a public sector expansion via appropriate industrial policy, that requires political changes, ie later.

>Yes, they want to militarize

>and we need to prepare to crush that
Sure, reigning in military spending is needed, but how would you achieve that ?
They continue to provoke conflicts to justify military spending.
They make the people in other countries fight and die, to avoid political backlash at home.
If they try to conscript westerners, we'll have a unstoppable peace movement of epic scale within a week, but as long as the dying is externalized…
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 No.480162

>>480133
>just curious, do you see a reason to attempt building alternate distribution system?

You have to pay for shipping, so that means whatever we produce, part of it would have to be sold so that we have cash to pay for our operations. An alternate distribution network would be necessary if we can't do that, or for example if we have perishable food that we need delivered quickly, locally.

Can we think of a commodity that's going to be the most impactful for the people to produce for themselves?
I'm sitting here thinking what to eat for lunch so it's gotta be food right?

Let's think it through:

The criteria should be:

1. It has to make sense for us to produce ourselves, either because it frees us from reliance on corporations, or because it can be made competitively and we get rich, and use that money for socialist shit.

I was going to also include this:
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 No.480171

>>480162
So you want
- food preparation with a local distribution network.
- Value added metal production, for "high tech shit" like machine tools.
Sounds reasonable enough, can i ask why no end-consumer stuff ?

> It has to make sense for us to produce ourselves, either because it frees us from reliance on corporations, or because it can be made competitively and we get rich, and use that money for socialist shit.

I can agree with the idea of reducing corporate dependency.

But if you want to get rich in current conditions, there's basically just energy and war industry, every other sector is getting shafted. Those are very dangerous monopolies that are racking in preposterous profit margins, they will sabotage your operation or just flat out murder you if you compete with them.
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 No.480199

>>480171
Actually isn't what I want closer to a commune then?
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 No.480259

>>480199
Lets say there is some overlap with a commune.


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 No.480164[Reply]

Hi fellow workers of the World,

May I introduce you to 4chan /brit/. It's a honeypot of alt-right fascists, please be warned. They are indoctrinating children to their right wing beliefs.
Threads can be found here:
https://www.4chan.org/int/brit

Ciao
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 No.480166

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>wasting even a second of your time on Hiroyuki's datamining project in 2024
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 No.480167

>>480166
Yeah, that and if you're on there, you're forced to Combat Liberalism a lot
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 No.480225

Hi mate, I'm already working that thread from the inside. I'm posting some communist materials where I can, and otherwise riling up the rorkes over there x


 No.480145[Reply]

This story's a month old now, but still bears posting:

March 6, 2024:

On Tuesday, the US government effectively kidnapped Haitian Prime Minister Ariel Henry, a right-wing figure whom it had hitherto staunchly supported, a Miami Herald report has revealed.

Against the will of the vast majority of Haiti’s impoverished people, Washington—backed by Canada and France, the other imperialist powers long involved in Haiti—placed Henry in power following the July 2021 assassination of the country’s president, Jovenel Moïse. The US-led “Core Group” of nations has continued to support Henry ever since, although he has no popular or legal-constitutional legitimacy and has refused to hold parliamentary or presidential elections despite the mandates of all elected officials having long expired.

Now, however, under conditions where the country is overrun by criminal gangs, most of which have close ties to rival factions of Haiti’s ruling elite, the Biden administration has apparently concluded Henry is a liability who should be flushed from office. To accomplish this, as the Herald article documents, US imperialism is resorting to its traditional thuggery and criminality.

This is all playing out as Washington and Ottawa scramble to put together a foreign paramilitary force to be deployed to Haiti with US and Canadian logistical support to bloodily restore bourgeois “law and order” on the Caribbean island-nation.

Both the US and Canada have a long history of neo-colonial occupation and military intervention in Haiti, including as recently as 2004 when they deployed troops to oust its elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. But under conditions where they are waging war against Russia in Ukraine, supporting Israel’s genocide in Gaza and actively preparing for war with China, and where there is visceral opposition among the Haitian masses to an intervention led by either of North America’s twin imperialist powers, they are anxious to contract out the job.

Last week Henry traveled to Kenya, whose avidly pro-imperialist government has volunteered to lead a Multinational Security Support (MSS) mission to Haiti and staff it with more than a thousand Kenyan national police.
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 No.480150

>>480145
I don't know what to think about this, on the one hand they kidnapped a fucking head of state, on the other hand it's a illegitimate dictator they installed.

>Washington is once again carrying out regime change in Haiti

I'm guessing this is more of a regime shuffle, because nothing significant really changes and Shit continues to be fucked up.
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 No.480153

>>480150
>I don't know what to think about this, on the one hand they kidnapped a fucking head of state, on the other hand it's a illegitimate dictator they installed.

I mean, the reason they're doing it is to re-take control of Haiti.

>I'm guessing this is more of a regime shuffle, because nothing significant really changes and Shit continues to be fucked up.


"fucked up" isn't a quantifiable status tho.


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 No.472401[Reply]

What does /leftypol/ think about the teachings and theories of Dr. Ray Peat?

Weirdly, he has become a bit of a health fad among right wingers on Twitter, but he is literally a Grover Furr-level Stalinist and Lysenkoist. He cites "Khrushchev Lied" in this interview at 01:09:33:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=famOF8GYlbg

He also wrote an entire book about Soviet science, which I have attached.

Here's his website:
https://raypeat.com/
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 No.478115

>>478114
More like picrel, plz.
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 No.478506

>>478114
What Losurdo?
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 No.479650

>>478506
no, not losurdo
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 No.480058

>>478114
>>479650
Maybe 'Another View of Stalin' by Ludo Martens from Belgium?

What about Harpal Brar from the UK? He is a member of the British 'Stalin Society'.
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 No.480089

>>480058
sadly a dengoid and a vaxcuck


 No.479948[Reply]

Manila: Protesters rallied against American presence in the Philippines on Tuesday as US Secretary of State Antony Blinken visited Manila to reinforce support against Chinese influence in the region.

The Philippines is Washington’s key security partner in Asia under a decades-long alliance, which allows the US to rotate troops into the Philippines for extended stays and build and operate facilities on Philippine military bases.

In the past two years, the partnership has expanded under President Ferdinand Marcos Jr., who in February last year permitted American troops to increase their footprint in the country.

China claims the disputed area almost in entirety and its military activity in the territory has been increasing, regularly encroaching on the Philippine part of the waters, the West Philippine Sea.

“These waterways are critical to the Philippines, to its security, to its economy, but they’re also critical to the interests of the region, the United States and the world,” Blinken said at a joint press conference with his Philippine counterpart Enrique Manalo.

“That’s why we stand with the Philippines and stand by our ironclad defense commitments, including under the mutual defense treaty.”

The 1951 agreement obliges the US to defend its ally in the case of external attack.

Philippine vessels have been regularly attacked by Chinese ships in the parts of the South China Sea that are internationally recognized as belonging to the Philippines.
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 No.479958

>>479950
Yes, + opposed to general US fuckery both wrt China and wrt Gaza.
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 No.479959

>>479951
I mean, they elected another Marcos, so… that's at least equally baffling.
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 No.479989

>>479959
yeah i would not necessarily blame that on Filipino people because you know how difficult it is to get reformers elected that prioritize the needs of the masses, especially when there's a big super-power putting its thumb on the scale.
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 No.480076

>>479950
The US elites learned lessons of Vietnam war too well. Wars go much smoothier if the coffins arrive to another country instead of yours.
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 No.480080

>>480076
You're hinting at the Ukraine proxy war ? While there are few coffins coming back from that war, it's not going smooth either.


 No.480013[Reply]

Waffle House workers walked off on STRIKE in Atlanta to demand an end to mandatory meal deductions and to fight for better working conditions, higher wages, and a safe workplace.

Waffle House’s mandatory meal credit policy means that at least $3 dollars is deducted from workers’ pay every shift, regardless of whether we actually eat.

What are we doing about it??

We submitted a complaint and request for an investigation by the U.S. Department of Labor into this policy of Waffle House and its total financial impact on workers.
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 No.480015

>Waffle House’s mandatory meal credit policy means that at least $3 dollars is deducted from workers’ pay every shift, regardless of whether we actually eat.


Dafaq? How is that legal.
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 No.480016

>>480015
I have no idea if it actually is legal. I assume it's a deliberate abuse of a 'loophole,' but sometimes those "loopholes" don't actually exist and it's just a big exercise in pretending that whatever wage theft "trick" employed is legal. Not sure.
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 No.480022

>>480013
<we didn't steal 3 bucks from our workers per shift, we deducted it
wow that's so petty
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 No.480035

based, waffle house is easily one of the most obviously illegal and evil employers in the usa. maybe we should print out waffle house union propaganda and pass it around at our local waffle houses. only problem is the food is such disgusting poisonous proleslop that i can't think of a good reason to go there
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 No.480036

>>480035
I like waffle house


 No.479960[Reply]

In Mississippi, six former sheriff's deputies have been sentenced to between 10 and 40 years in prison for raiding a home and torturing, shooting and sexually abusing two Black men, Michael Jenkins and Eddie Parker, in January 2023. The six former deputies, all of whom are white, called themselves the "Goon Squad" and have been linked to at least four violent attacks on Black men since 2019. Two of the men attacked and tortured by the group subsequently died. To discuss the case and the verdict, we're joined by Eddie Parker and attorneys Malik Shabazz and Trent Walker. "Never have we seen this many police officers sentenced to this kind of time in one week," says Shabazz, who calls the verdict "historic." Jenkins, Parker and Shabazz are currently suing the Rankin County Sheriff's Department over its track record of civil rights violations and racist targeting of Black residents.

After this and the secret mass grave recently found behind the police station near Jackson, what's next for Mississippi?
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 No.479963

>>479962
yeah i'm wondering about that too.
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 No.479969

>>479962
I believe that court case is still ongoing.
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 No.479973

>goon squad
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 No.479974

>>479973
maybe they were self-aware on some level ?
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 No.479984

>>479974
Probably, yes.
That's a weird habit of certain kinds of tremendously evil people. Like the Ku Klux Klan with the whole dressing as ghosts and burning crosses thing, La Cagoule in France, the Romanian Iron Guard, Haiti's Tonton Macoute, etc.


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 No.479907[Reply]

The United States has positioned troops on a tiny island chain less than 6km from the Chinese coast, Taiwan has admitted.

In an apparent escalation of the American military presence in Taiwan, a Taiwanese defence minister told reporters the country was running an “exchange” with the US to “figure out how to improve” its military.

Although the US has announced it was training Taiwanese forces on the country’s main island, Formosa, the Pentagon has never acknowledged the presence of American troops on the Kinmen Islands, which lie 6km from the Chinese coastal city of Xiamen.

In response to reports that US special forces were operating on the islands, Chiu Kuo-cheng, the minister, admitted on Tuesday that his country’s military was learning from American forces there.

“This exchange is for mutual observation, to identify the problems we have, figure out how to improve and to recognise their strengths so we can learn from them,” he said.

“We can learn from each other to see what strengths we have. This is a fixed thing.”

The Kinmen Islands sit on the far side of the Taiwan Strait, the 177-km body of water that separates Taiwan and China. They are around 160km from Taiwan, but easily visible from the Chinese mainland.

Taiwan has stationed its own amphibious soldiers, known as “frogmen”, on both the Kinmen Islands and other outlying islands, amid concerns about a Chinese invasion that US officials have said could take place by 2027.
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 No.479926

>>479907
The Chinese can naval blockade Taiwan, and any military hardware and troops that the US parks there would eventually end up falling into Chinese hands. Analogous to loosing stones to an encapsulating move in the board-game GO.
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 No.479929

>>479926
>Analogous to loosing stones to an encapsulating move in the board-game GO.
I have no idea what this means.


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