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 No.285223[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello leftypol, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

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Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks
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Check out the /edu/ thread at
https://leftypol.org/edu/res/5576.html

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
https://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=debunk
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 No.480748

>>480742
interesting docu thx for posting it

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This thread will detail some of the changes made to the site in the past year, as well as our plans for the future.

New i2p Address
As requested by several users, and in accordance with our general ethos of encouraging online anonymity, leftychan now has an i2p address which can be found here:
http://leftychmxz3wczbd4add4atspbqevzrtwf2sjobm3waqosy2dbua.b32.i2p or http://leftychan.i2p/

Moderation Changes
* New spam filter - Thanks to the hard work of our dev and admin Zer0-, leftychan now has an effective countermeasure against the automatic bot spam that plagues alt-chans. Dubbed as the 'spam noticer', the implementation of this system has led to a dramatic fall in malicious advertisement threads being posted to the site.
* New mods & dev - In order to better cover european and asian timezones, two more mods have been voted onto the team. These are sindikat, who has previous moderation experience, and jon, who is also acting as a dev and has made many valuable contributions in this capacity.
* Removal of Zul - In line with the rule that if a mod is inactive for over 15 weeks their status as a mod is called into question, Zul was voted off the mod team.

New Roulette Board
>>>/777/
After some discussion, we decided on /k/ as the new roulette board theme, replacing /CHAD/. Archived threads from previous roulette cycles can still be viewed here >>>/roulette_archive/
Any suggestions for future roulette board rotations are welcome.
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 No.480075

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>>480064
>idpolist idpolly idpollers
Huh? Yea, sure.

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 No.479880[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Continued from >>477700

Updates since the start of the last thread:
The (largely civilian) Palestinian death toll has now passed 31,000.

The US Senate, with Biden's support, passed a bill to authorize more than $14,000,000,000 in military aid to Israel.

The International Court of Justice made an interim ruling in South Africa's favor in their case accusing Israel of genocidal acts in Gaza, deeming it plausible, Nicaragua signed on to the case.

Houthi rebels in Yemen have attacked cargo ships in the Red Sea in an attempt to disrupt the supply line of Israel's ongoing carpet bombing campaign against Gaza, resulting in the sinking of the Rubymar. The Biden admin has responded to the Houthis with a retaliatory bombing campaign, killing multiple fighters and at least one civilian. An attack on the True Confidence in March then yielded the first 3 civilian casualties of Houthi attacks.

Trade unionists in Scotland and England have blockaded major UK arms factories.

Canada, Australia, and the EU have started to resume funding to UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestinian refugee aid. Members of the agency have stated that Israel employed torture when interrogating them.

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 No.480992

>>480990
The Zionists are committing a genocide in their pursuit of ethno-nationalism. You can forget about legitimizing that crap. They made such a huge bloodbath, that it'll never wash out.

>>480991
>Zionists (including Evangelical Zionist sickos) are pretty much the only people who try to blur the line. Jews are among those leading the way against this absolute abominable evil which the Zionist warmongers are trying to do in their name,
Yes that seems to be the case.
>and it's absolutely sick the way that Zionist Israeli chauvinists try to throw diaspora Jews under the bus.
Yeah we need to update the definition of antisemitism to reflect that.

> I do really feel sorry for people who've genuinely been indoctrinated into this cult, where they feel like the only way to express their religion and culture is by subservience to a 20th century militarized nation state created by British imperialism. Even those presently indoctrinated by Hasbara bullshit have a chance to see the light some day, but if they ever recover from this insanity then the horror at realizing what they have done will be unbearable.
Yeah that's gonna be a rough awakening.
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 No.481007

Houthis claim attack on two vessels, two US destroyers

Yemen’s Houthis targeted two US destroyers and the vessel CYCLADES in the Red Sea as well as the MSC Orion in the Indian Ocean, the group’s military spokesman Yahya Sarea said.

The Houthis, who control the most populated parts of Yemen, have carried out dozens of attacks on vessels with commercial ties to the US, the UK and Israel in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden since November.

The group says the attacks are a response to Israel’s assault on Gaza.

US says Houthis sent drone towards navy ships, ballistic missiles fired at merchant vessel

The US military said Houthi forces in Yemen fired three antiship ballistic missiles and directed three armed drones to attack a Greece-owned ship travelling in the Red Sea.

CENTCOM, which commands US forces deployed in the Middle East, said the Malta-flagged MV Cyclades was able to continue its journey and there were no reports of injuries resulting from the missile attack.

Earlier on Monday, US forces engaged and destroyed a drone which was “on a flight path towards” two US Navy ships – the USS Philippine Sea and USS Laboon – in the Red Sea.
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 No.481018

>>480990
Why do they need a state? They can't live in peace with other people?
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 No.481024

>>481018
IMHO you are asking the wrong question.

The Zionist state was created because the British empire wanted a imperial outpost in the middle east and they had the power to do it. When the British empire fell apart the US empire took over.

The Zionist project was modeled on the colonial subjugation model, which is what the British empire used for most of it's reign. This is also the reason why the Zionist project is unraveling now. Colonial domination was based on the fact that the colonial powers had a huge advantage in industrial production compared to the countries they subjugated. But today that industrial differential is no longer there. Most countries in the world are industrialized and can project hard power with industrial proficiency too.

The best course of action likely is to de-zionify the Israeli state and remove all the apartheid stuff from the official ideology, demilitarize and create a Palestinian state as well. And shift the focus of international struggle towards diplomacy and trade.

So the right question to ask would be what kind of state(s) does this region need.
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 No.481025

>>480788
>>481024
>MuH Two-State Solution!!!
>MuH Single Palestinian State and Israeli stATE abolishmeNt Solution!!!
Pure ideology, as commie Zizek would say. How do we have a guarantee that the Palestinian government won't simply do the same? Out of the goodness of their own heart? They could be just as bad. To say otherwise is idealism.

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I wouldnt, If would, Describe reasons.

The goverment and healthcare system keeps letting me down, Why should i?

As a pussyfree man myself, Id betray my whole nation like it betrayed me just to have a chance to get a girlfriend, What has it ever done for me? Get bullied here, Ridiculed, Abandoned by the healthcare system, Denied XRAY, Denied this, Denied that, Denied meeting the right doctor. I dont even celebrate national day, This country is shit anyway, Is it even my country if i dont get pussy in it? Nah its not!

Is it even your country if your countrymen dont stand up for you to prevent you from being bullied? Is it even your countrymen if they keep belittling you and making fun of you?

Is it even your country if you get no say in what you want to do in said country? Is it even your country if you have to pay taxes to get nothing in return not even an XRAY at the doctors office if it was needed?

Heck idgaf about nationalism for the shithole i live in, Wait a whole month to meet a doctor so i can be rejected for the help im needed, nah this isnt my country, Fuck this country, The russians can just go ahead and invade it, Idgaf anymore.
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 No.480949

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>>480948
He’s a monster.
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 No.480963

>>480948
That's hilarious but I think that might be a bot, judging by their replies…
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 No.481001

If anyone wanted to fight for America, don't join the US Military.

If America were in an actual war where the core territory were at risk, I'd be forced to "fight", even though I'm far past conscription age and obviously unfit for service. That's who loses in a war - the people who can't fight back. It's the poor sods at the bottom of the social ladder who are first to die for this horseshit.

If you're fighting for your country as an idea, you're an idiot. If you have a stake in the thing you're fighting for, you will be a lot more successful. There is no stake in fighting for this opium-dealing empire, and that's what the wars are. All of them. There is no "existential war" except the ones the empire has engineered. The world wars? Complete bullshit engineered with a whole priority list of who was to be sacrificed. They are eugenics wars. That's the only wars they allow.

For America in particular, I would do everything possible to prevent a civil war and, finally, have a government worth anything at all, rather than this dogshit they violently imposed on us. But, it's not going to happen. There is no "good side" or "good end" to something like this. Even so, I will stand against any civil war or any balkanization faggotry, out of a sense that I don't want to live in a shithole so that Israel and Europe can keep stealing our shit, so that transnational assholes keep getting richer. I won't win, and I won't contribute much. I'd probably be more of a liability. But, with what I have, I will say until I can no longer say so that everything we've been steered towards is bullshit and anyone who egged it on is a complete faggot and should hang themselves in shame. Stupid, stupid people. If you think doing this to America is going to end the pressure against the rest of the world, just wait until you see the empire without the niceties. It will not be good, and most of the world knows it.
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 No.481002

I can also say - imperial armies are noted for recruiting from the dregs of society, rather than citizen-soldiers. When citizen-soldiers fight for empire, they turn out like Rome - the soldiers would come home to find their land was bought up by rich people who reaped all of the profit, and then there are no more citizens meeting the property requirement. That is inherent to empires based on what they do, until someone built an empire that was premised on equal development - something that empire conceptually abhors, but is not strictly speaking impossible. When you have a city-state going for seasonal wars or wars of self-defense, the citizen-soldier model works, but long-term imperial projects draw on immiserated men as their grunts, because that's the only job available for eligible men. That's how it went for the Romans after Marian reforms - any man who could pick up a sword and not get laughed out of the legions could join the legions, and they were hoping the general would make good on that land promise. If nothing else, it was a job - a job that sucked, so much that Italians stopped joining the legions after Augustus won. Nobody who contemplates joining such a thing believes this is a job he's going to like or that fulfills some moral choice he's making. For one, empires are not purely defined by having an army march and kill things. They always require a productive base, and men sent to fight in wars, which cost wealth to equip and pay off with land, are not farming or working in industry, and aren't managing commerce. Without a dedicated warrior caste / aristocracy, the grunts are stuck with shitty choices. The argument of "choice" is all about pushing the world back to warrior aristocracies and mercenary armies.
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 No.481023

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>>480901
Fucking BASED. So fucking refreshing to see ppl realising @ least the tiniest amount of self interests in not fucking dying for the system that only oppresses them & always will treat them like shit no matter what they do.
>Fuck this country, The russians can just go ahead and invade it, Idgaf anymore
Lets cross our fucking fingers that r**zkoids would actually take some fucking lessons from g*rms in the 1st global meatgrinder too, so that allat shit would turn out to be absolutely pointless in the eyes of the whole fucking humanity.

>>480911
>Furthermore, 30% would still refuse to serve even if the country was facing imminent invasion.
Yeah, when life gets only shittier with this state & gubbmint, why not try to see what their competitors (= colleagues) would bring instead? Just for fun ofc, it's not like it would be any different anyway.

>>480923
>>muh no gf
>shit reason tbh
Beats anything a militard could sperg out in their defence for serving the elites.

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It's so crazy how there has been such a paradigm shift to where the GOP is anti-imperialist.
https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/HHP_Apr2024_Crosstabs.pdf
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 No.481016

BTW I bet you support a black American ethnostate because of Black Lives Matter. Literally the meme. "Shut up Israel, I don't believe in that shit - Cracka I demand an ethnostat - Yes sir, glory to the black nation!" Hypocritical.
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 No.481017

>>481015
>Lithuanians got away with Nazi collaboration

Inadvertently, and hilariously, you just outed yourself as thinking you're similar to nazi collaborators. That's all I needed to know, thank you.

>support a black American ethnostate because of Black Lives Matter
You're retarded, but workers have no need for an ethnostate, or any other kind of state for that matter. You seem to think in terms of Us vs Them a lot, you should read up on basic Marxist ideas and figure out where you stand in relation to production. Then come back and argue from a materialist point of view.
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 No.481019

>>481008
"anti-imperialist" is too strong. When it comes to political factions in the ruling class of imperialist countries, they usually have different priorities when it comes to imperialism.
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 No.481020

>>481011
The Zionists have expanded the definition of "Hamas" to include everybody that isn't cheering for the genocide against Palestinians. Which at this point is likely above 90% of the world's population.

>Fuck you antisemetic.
I doubt that it's possible to make somebody antisemitic by fucking.

Incidentally the greatest driver of antisemitism is Zionists falsely proclaiming that they are mass-murdering people in Gaza in the name of the Jews. By the way the majority of Jews in the world is vehemently opposed to this massacre.
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 No.481022

>>481013
>Zionism is "the right for Jewish people to have a religious state."
While communists support religious freedom, they usually aren't very fond of attaching religion to a state. I know that you are just a shill rattling off the talking points but still.

Zionism in praxis for the last 70 years has been a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing of Palestine, with methods that are similar to that of past colonial terror. You can't reconcile this murderous behavior with rights.

>a U.S. designated terror group
Given how much political convenience influences the US's terror designations, this is not a particularly convincing appeal.

>murdered over 1200 innocent people
lets not forget that many of the casualties of oct7 resulted from the IDF enacting the Hannibal directive, (Israeli soldiers intentionally shooting on Israeli citizens)

I wonder what you think about the 30.000 plus Palestinians the IDF has murdered ?

>raped countless women and girls
there was no convincing evidence for those claims, so there is a strong possibility that it was propaganda demonization.

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 No.480952[Reply]

I hate banks. I hate CEOs. I hate Capitalism. I hate israel. why can't we be friends?
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 No.480997


>>480996
hw would start quoting age of consent in different countries while waving the bandera blood and soil flag while holding his copy of "Leninism or Marxism" by Rosa
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 No.480999

>>480952
post video of yourself bombing a bank
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 No.481003

Why do Nazis persist in being the most disingenuous fags in all things? They only know the Germanic sneer and insult. What a disgusting race. They always throw their fake friendship in your face and insist all politics must be as fake and gay as their (very foreign I should make clear) ideology.
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 No.481004

This is the funny thing about the post-war revisionists' hot takes on fascism. The idea that fascism is "not for export" is the exact opposite of what fascists really were. They were funded from day one by pallets of money airlifted from the Anglos to prop up something that was good for eugenics. That was the stated purpose of the Nazis. None of this faggotry where they pretend they're going to help anyone who isn't part of their gay cult.
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 No.481021

>>480952
We are not compatible, die.

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 No.480841[Reply]

So I noticed another topic which is forbidden to discuss on leftyogre. Recently it was revealed that the far-right party AfD in Germany is infiltrated with chinese glowies. Jian Guo is an actual spy of the chinese ministry of state security. Another interesting fact is, that Alice Weidel, a top member of the AfD has lived in China and speaks mandarin. Well guess what, it is forbidden to talk about this on leftyogre. Just mentioning this, will get you banned immediately and the mods will delete your posts.
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 No.480937

>>480910
>muh evidence
Just google it, bro. Sovjet-afghan war, UNITA, pinochet. The CPC is famous for supporting reactionary forces all around the world.
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 No.480939

>>480937
>Just google it, bro.
Not my job, present your argument if you actually want to be taken seriously. Tip: an assertion with nothing to support it is not an argument.
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 No.480940

>>480936
You are making the assumption that subverting and regime changing other governments is actually a good strategy. The US is doing this type of stuff allot and their influence is shrinking. If China is maximizing its influence why would they pursue such a sub-optimal strategy ?
consider the following
All of China allies experience improved economic growth.
All of the US allies experience economic decline.

That's how China maximizes influence. People choose growth and prosperity over security, if that wasn't so, we'd have moved into underground bunkers after the invention of nukes. And beside strengthening your allies is a superior strategy, to weakening them.

I'm sure the Chinese have loads of spy shenanigans going on as well, but if I were to make a guess most of that is focused on Taiwan right now. The Chinese want advanced technology from the west, their first choice probably is to just buy it, but if they get cut off they'll likely go for espionage.
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 No.480998

>>480940
>The US is doing this type of stuff allot and their influence is shrinking. If China is maximizing its influence why would they pursue such a sub-optimal strategy ?
Mein Gott, the ideology

But they are not losing because they are toppling and subverting states. You've literally answered your own question. US fucked up because they can't handle the country after the coup.

If China can do coups better and smarter way then why they shouldn't?

And they don't even need to overthrow the BRD government, since they are economically dependent on the PRC, lol. They just need to push them the right way, lmao.
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 No.481000

Leftypol is run by Satanists. Nazis. They steer everything so much it's practically a whitelist now. At least I managed to disrupt their fag chamber and made them go to a secret forum.

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Last one is full and the worst thread on leftychan must be contained.

In recent news: Ukies done a successful counteroffensive in Izium, Z gang now in shambles. Biden promises even more money for Ukraine. Putin meets Xi, Erdogan, Modi and others at the SCO summit.


Pro-Russia sources:
https://nitter.net/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/mdfzeh
https://nitter.net/AZmilitary1
https://nitter.net/wargonzoo
https://nitter.net/TheHumanFund5
https://t.me/intelslava
https://t.me/asbmil
https://t.me/vorposte

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 No.480828

The idea that civilized states are moved by propaganda in any significant direction is something PR ghouls want you to believe, when the reality is, PR works to create a chilling effect against anything that would disrupt internal affairs. The armies of modern polities know the news and the shows are all bullshit, and that the politicians lie about even the simplest thing, as does the armed service they are members of.

By now, the US doesn't even pretend to gin up public support for any war. After they got Iraq 2003, they knew that the public were irrelevant, and would only need to be threatened to make them comply. That's how Nazis always roll. Obama promises the men upstairs that his war machine will be smarter and cheaper and give the real power what they want. To the public, Obama didn't give anything except a few platitudes, all of them spoken with the utmost contempt. The liberals knew what they really wanted, and they saw the rest of the world as inferior slave races - they really do, that's the liberal ideology and their love for eugenics. They brag about this and brag that they can make the world accept this and love their slavery. It's always that.
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 No.480829

Anyone who is "fooled" is not fooled at all, and won't have to fight anything. They have the smug grin whenever they say this line about how they were "fooled". The Krauts knew what they knew, and knew they were collectively guilty for letting any part of Nazism happen - woe to the conquered, however stupid and pointless the death and slaughter may be. No one believes there is a "nice" way to put down the German menace by 1945. The strategic bombing of the British-led Empire was wholly unnecessary and produced no benefit that accelerated the end of the war, and only served to embolden Nazis and revanchists in the postwar order. It was calculated to produce exactly that, which is why the Soviets did not think about any such campaign, on top of them being fucktarded and evil adventures of a Satanic country. The Soviets were thinking about how to win the war, and yet the Anglo-Americans cry crocodile tears about raped Kraut women who had it coming. Stalin's boys having a little of the old in-out is hardly an atrocity like the bombing of Dresden. As for the post-war internment of German men, that is cruel, but they all knew they lost and this is how they would be made to march under the yoke in the 20th century. I don't weep one bit, considering their stupid country should have been dismantled then and there and not allowed to exist, and the Germanic way of life and its institutions should have been dismantled in total around the world. Hopefully some day, this de-Germanization will succeed, and the failed system will truly be gone.
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 No.480830

Likewise, no American seriously believes they are innocent. The rulers want us to live in shame for decisions the rulers made, and we have been made to bear all of the costs of the rulers' freeroll. But, we let it happen, and so, "woe to the conquered" - even when the ocnqueror is our own supposed leaders. That is the prevailing mood in America, rather than any commitment to justice. Wars are as far removed from justice as is possible. It's one reason why promising you will end war is a great way for politicians to gain actual public support, if they want such a thing.
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 No.480928

So it seems a whistleblower came out detailing her work at a Ukrainian astroturf firm whose job it was to influence things on social media. Notably she says her directions to change targets from Ukrainian social media to English social media and focus on the subject of US elections probably came from the directive of CIA operatives. I can't seem to find the primary source on this, so I have to post a shitty Jimmy Dore video.

https://rumble.com/v4rybct-whistleblower-says-ukrainian-troll-farms-helped-elect-biden.html
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 No.480966

Analysis: Xi-Putin honeymoon at risk as Chinese flood into Russia

https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/China-up-close/Analysis-Xi-Putin-honeymoon-at-risk-as-Chinese-flood-into-Russia

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 No.478702[Reply]

Being a soldier in the imperialist army is just a big humiliation ritual designed to break one's spirit.

Pics:
>The grey UCP camo pattern US Army issued to troops in the middle east. Looks stupid and obviously does not work as camo. oh yeah and it's made of plastic to make sure it gets really hot and unbearable in the desert
>How US soldiers are taught to stand when shooting their rifle. Very imbalanced and not an effective fighting stance. Self-defeating
>army combat boot. hot, heavy, big heel, literally designed to give knee injuries and twisted ankles. meanwhile the ziomercs are fighting dudes who wear comfy sandals or go barefoot, the correct footwear for the terrain
>medical experimentation and forced muzzling. troops get injected with tons of shit that's not even legal to give to civilians. by the end of their service their health is in ruins.
>boot camp. have to put up with and get yelled at by a loser psychopath while eating shit food and taking no proper rest days. just one big MKULTRA hazing ritual.
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 No.478862

>>478825
>Kill and arrest peasants because they hired one other person sometimes temporarily. This is proof communists held producers accountable.
Horseshoe theory confirmed.
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 No.478887

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>>478806
>>478808
>>478809
>muh plagues
These were all caused by bad sanitation, bad nutrition, and chemical poisoning. They went down because of working class victories in the fight for better living and working conditions.

https://magma-magazin.su/2023/02/t-mohr/virology-as-ideology-a-critique-of-ruling-class-pseudoscience-part-3-virology-as-ideology/
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 No.478888

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>>478702
>Being a soldier in the imperialist army is just a big humiliation ritual designed to break one's spirit.
I agree. Russian soldiers should kill their officers and storm kreml.
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 No.478908

>>478862
>he doesn't know
lurk moar
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 No.480878

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>>478702
>go be an occupier for the masters of your shitty life
>lose your balls to an old ass sovshit mine which xploded just by chance under yo ass
>die ballless & homeless @ the streets like a good citizen Kuck
Militoids are retarded wherever you go.


>>478888
>r*shits
>defying their masters
Once a millenia, maybe. & even then it could only be led by joos with a new edition of their main jewish magic book. Btw don't forget that "Rus" were actually varangians who enslaved these shitsluts & gave them their today's name jej.
r*ϟϟwineϟ cope so hard @ it they even invented some crap about "ros" meaning red in gayreek.

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 No.480866[Reply]

Mass shootings are passè. Self-immolation is vogue. Just stop being a retard. people like to watch stuff burn
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 No.480869

>>480866
If a ruling class represses a population.
The wrong reaction N1: destroying random people
The wrong reaction N2: destroying yourself

The correct reaction: destroying the power of the ruling class
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 No.480871

Bring back Propaganda of the deed
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 No.480876

>>480871
Terrorism is cringe and turns the working class away from realization of their interests and conditions.
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 No.480993

>>480866
He was unambiguously right, and it's not even a question, and there was already a Bushnell thread. Guy successfully raised awareness without hurting anyone, and what he did was less self-harm than self-salvation; he was a part of a structure which is presently murdering humanity, and he opted out the most effective way possible. Fwiw, there was even a self-immolation in front of the Israeli consulate in Atlanta months earlier by a Palestinian-American (I believe) woman… Bushnell amplified it, taking the sentiment of the oppressed, who would be ignored and suppressed in their actions, and recreating it in a form which the ruling class could not ignore: a white American soldier, burning for the crimes of our idiotic, despotic leadership. Even then, they tried to suppress it, but they could not do so without revealing to the masses what enemies the American state are to the American people. The cowards-that-be hide behind our military and send it to go flail at reeds, and they resent the prospect that anyone in its ranks could ever feel the sense of responsibility which they, our professed "leaders," lack, for the actions they are made to perform.

Calling self-immolation "vogue" is moronic, but OP knows that. Aaron Bushnell is a hero and what he did was justified, that is all. The fire he ignited still burns and will never go out so long as there is injustice against the people of Palestine and callousness among our criminal political class. OP is a cretin & bad faith jackass for trying to make a comparison to mass shootings.

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