/games/ - Games

>>864
>>820
I don't think porn or games shouldn't exist, but the book's main purpose isn't to serve as fap material. In that sense, the game is like junk food. Using the argument that rape porn games can also be interpreted as more than just fap material (which is true) is just an excuse.

>>1694
That most loli artists have an unrealistic style doesn't erase the fact that the thing is tied to pedophilia or pedophilic themes. Even if they draw highly stylized characters you can still tell those are supposed to be kids because you're told they're kids. In loli porn you have tons of media (not all of it, but a lot) where the protagonist has sex with middle, elementary, or even preschoolers, portraying situations that may or may not be entirely realistic, but explicitly show pedophilic fantasies. That's not even mentioning the fact that the term deliberately comes from the novel Lolita or that censored CP was legal in Japan until 1999.
While loli [b]won't[/b] make you a pedophile all by itself (if it prompts you to commit abuse you were already fucked up before), and while its existence doesn't hurt real children, you just can't deny its relation to pedophilia. Of course, the existence loli is much more preferable to child abuse.

>>1708
Unironically the effect war games often have is glorifying war, even if sometimes it may not be the intention and even if it doesn't glorify atrocities specifically like you said. The other anon worded his argument poorly but yours is weaker. But that aside, the rape game is specifically for people who get off to that kind of scenario in general or the idea of being a rapist (whether willing/capable of doing it IRL or not), while a historical war game depicts war crimes to move the player or make some statement about war being bad or for accuracy, but not to cater to people who enjoy thinking about war crimes.

>>1549
I agree with you on the first part mostly, and with that other anon who said that maybe the movement was never in good faith to begin with (even though it attracted people who had good intentions). But I also think those gamers weren't aware of "cultural Marxism" from the beginning, they discovered all that shit after a while.

>>815
>a bunch of nogs just burned down cnn, i can only view gaymergay as a good start.
How the fuck did GG lead to this? GG wasn't the source of all distrust in the media ever.
>Imagine being a bolshevik and unironically supporting the empowerment of the ruling class choosing for you what media you can consume
Joke's on you, more than 80% of the Japanese population thinks that shit should be subject to child pornography laws. That doesn't mean I want it to, though. But it's definitely an popular opinion.

>>1728
>Joke's on you, more than 80% of the Japanese population thinks that shit should be subject to child pornography laws.

Citation fucking needed. Also, Japan's parliament sided with the mangaka Ken Akamatsu who drew Love Hina when he made his defense of the freedom of artistic expression, even if it involved lolis.

Porn is a safe outlet that keeps many people from committing crimes. Legalizing porn has probably lowered the number of rape because there's a safe and more convenient outlet with no risk of consequences or punishment. Wish-fullfiment is also not reality.

>>1664
Some do, but some do not. Do you look at cat vaginas before you draw cat girls?

>>1727
BASED ANON.
You are right!

>>1733
>Citation fucking needed.
>http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB23Aa02.html
>https://web.archive.org/web/20200619233116/https://greencoffeehk.com/japans-lolita-merchants-feel-the-heat/ (re-post)
&ltLast October, the Japanese government issued the results of its Special Opinion Poll on Harmful Materials, in which 86.5% of respondents said that manga and art should be subject to regulation for child pornography, while 90.9% said that “harmful materials” on the Internet should be regulated. The current child pornography laws in Japan do not regulate manga and art that depict children who are not real, or “virtual child pornography”.
>Japan's parliament sided with the mangaka Ken Akamatsu who drew Love Hina when he made his defense of the freedom of artistic expression, even if it involved lolis.
Well that's based, I never advocated for the ban on 2D porn. The fact that artists are able to defend their rights doesn't necessarily mean that the general population approves of that content. You called it "bougie" and said that the "ruling class" chooses what you can consume, but is it really accurate to say that when it's the people who want to restrict it? Anyway, I wasn't disagreeing with you at all, I just found it hilarious that you were so staunchly defending anime porn while most people over there would agree to regulate it.
>Do you look at cat vaginas before you draw cat girls?
What a shitty analogy. You'd need to look at real human vagina references.

>>1727
>the book's main purpose isn't to serve as fap material
>Using the argument that rape porn games can also be interpreted as more than just fap material (which is true) is just an excuse
So the book is fine since the contents justify it not being just fap material but the content in all "rape porn games" is an irrelevance in the analysis since it's just simply fap material? The way the content is presented is an irrelevance in the inherited value of it.

>Even if they draw highly stylized characters you can still tell those are supposed to be kids because you're told they're kids
You literally just self contradicted your self. The creator is an irrelevance when it comes to the interpretation of the art, if you need the creator to tell you what it is, then it fails to accurately replicate what the Author was going for.

>While loli won't make you a pedophile all by itself
>you just can't deny its relation to pedophilia
You can't have your cake and eat it too dude, the content ties to pedophilia is an irrelevance if the content isn't making the user a pedophile.

>Unironically the effect war games often have is glorifying war
How do you miss the entire point of the comment while simultaneously insult it? The mocking comment was that giving the viewer a perspective of being in the position of an anti-protagonist is an irrelevance to the ideas being presented in the story. The game itself and the genera of war games is a irrelevance.

>rape game is specifically for people who get off to that kind of scenario in general or the idea of being a rapist
Two problem:
&lt1: The Authors intent is an irrelevance to the content of the creation
&lt2: The content of the game barely functions as a rape simulator.
Earlier you said a statement that "the game is like junk food" to which I agree with you since the problem with the game is that the game fails to do what it "set out to do". The characters that're harassed in the game are disconnected from their environment since the environment doesn't react or are given the power to not react since all of the background people are faded out. It only uses the setting since that a well known type of setting for sexual harassment.

This environmental disconnect is amplified with the problem with that the rapist doesn't visually interact with the character(s). The game play is just pressing a button and seeing the presented model doing a action, being undressed, revealing them self, or whatever. The counter to this point is that "the player's imagination fills in the gap of the missing rapist, hence why it's part visual novel" which doesn't work since the product of the action doesn't require the user to visualize it making the need to visualize the execution of the action force the user to either visualize both (making the game fail at what "it was suppose to do") or to just view it as it is visually presented which will lessen the experience that the game is trying to create.

The games only relevance is that it's a badge of "honor" for moralists who can use it to place them self higher than others. It's only "reason" to be censored is simply the name and the concept that attempted to be sold.

>>1782
kys faggot contrarian redditor
literal mush for brain tier """""arguments"""""

>>1784
wack

>>1763
The only sources that you provided was one from some sort of hongkong coffee shop and the only other one did not actually show up. I actually tried to go out of my way to look up "Japanese special opinion Poll on Harmfull Materials" and it seems as if that specific poll was done in 2008 and not only that but I couldn't actually see the results of that poll, just a few books on google that actually references it. "School-Girl Milky Crisis" and "Red-Light Nights, Bangkok Daze" to be exact.
It seems to me that only 72% of Japanese people actually even know if that material has any actual effect whatsover ever, so they might just be saying that they support a ban whenever they actually do not.

>>1818
correction the poll was supposedly done before 2007 while the results was that 72% of Japanese people said that they didn't even know if such material was such a deciding factor in the increase of child abuse or not.

>>203
Fuck do I know. When I left school in 2009, the internet was a fun place of cat videos, and for dunking on creationists and neocons.
Then I focus on uni for a few years and by 2015 it is the reactionary shitshow we have today.
Interesting thread. Definitely a lot of astroturf and social engineering going on the background.

this thread is proof nobody should take leftypol seriously. you have honest-to-god pedophiles literally defending their right for capitalists to produce commodities no matter how fucking degenerate and reprobable the content is and also defending the rights for consumers to acquire this kind of shit. might as well argue that the government banning pedophile pornography violates the NAP.

you're fucking deluded if you think this is going to fly on under any kind of socialism, which pressuposes that all commodities produced therein "serve society" not indulge in blatant bourgeoise degenerate fantasies. no democratic society would approve the production of this shit because for a majority, the immediate gut reaction is outright disgust. As a matter of fact, nobody did approve this shit, the only reason it exists is because there's a market for it (pedos or would-be pedos who get off on the fantasy of touching girls) and wealth can be extracted, not because there's an implicit societal approval.

under socialism, videogames depicting fantasy depictions of sexual abuse would simply not be produced. under higher stage communism, of course, you'd simply be in a gulag.

>>1997
>you're fucking deluded if you think this is going to fly on under any kind of socialism, which pressuposes that all commodities produced therein "serve society" not indulge in blatant bourgeoise degenerate fantasies.
how do you do fellow leftists

>>1997
Dude my post acknowledged that the game is just junk food, there would be no way that it would exist under socialism for how worthless it is, not because of "le degeneracy". Its people like you who don't read that kills any interest for these side boards

>>1997
So only mainstream bubble gum pop should exist in socialism? Only tacky feel good movies should exist in socialism? The crux of your argument is "people don't like this, thus it should be banned!" regardless of how much harm the material does or doesn't do.
The sorts of people who want to ban shit that doesn't bring harm to real life people or animals always come off as way more sketchy to me than the people who whack off to lolicon to be honest. Like there was multiple UN people who sought to ban lolicon but turned out to be pedophiles themselves.

Gamergate is what drove me out of gaming and got me into politics instead.

I used to be a gamer in a big way before GG , I would camp out in front of my local EB for midnight game release pizza parties where everyone would get they game at the stroke of midnight.

I used to run a guild that prided itself on being pretty open , this guild had been running for around 10 years and was pretty well established, anyone could join the guild no matter who or what they were we did not care as long as they loved the games that we played that was all that mattered , but we were not into IDPOL in any way , we had strict no religion and no politics in public chat rules , which were pretty much our only rules.

However back to GG, when gamer gate happened it was pretty much a non-event for us , nobody discussed politics so it seemed like it was going to blow over.

BUT we had a problem , a few members of the guild thought it would be a great idea to invite a couple of their SJW activist friends into the guild , and these SJWs invited yet more SJWs and they became hostile to all the old regulars of the guild , demanding statements denouncing GG and saying that the guild had always been misogynistic even though about 50% of the members were female and 60% of the officers were female. This pretty much caused a guild civil war and myself and things got real bad.

I ended up having to quit all the games I used to love playing since I would be harassed nonstop by SJWs since I used to be a leader of a guild they decided was "problematic".

So I decided to work to address the problems they thought were problematic and after reading way too many books of socialist political theory I came to the inescapable conclusion that IDPOL was, ironically, the root cause of most of problems that the SJWs claimed to fight against , they were causing the drama that claimed to hate , so I dedicated myself to becoming a socialist to stop IDPOL and hopefully curing the madness that caused GG.

>>2098
Now you can put your leisure time into actual good games instead of MMO treadmills.

>>203
One of the points, that didn't need any specific cases of individuals nor corruption is the Review Score Inflation (RSI):

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/4k7b4q/review_score_inflation_and_why_it_exists/

&ltMaybe you, like many others, have been noticing it:

&lt Mediocre and/or painfully flawed games score 8/10s.

&lt Decent but not really great games score perfect 10s.

https://nomoredeadparents.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/rating-inflation-its-not-real/

https://www.engadget.com/2006-08-07-ign-gamespot-review-score-inflation-revealed.html

This is something that easily can be quantified, as we have +40 years of game reviews to run statistics on. Of coruse a normal distribution curve doesn't have to be symmetric. But if it's biased towards the sides, it's something to take notice of.

Video games have an inherent flaw compared to other media. Namely it can be broken beyond fixing. You could theoretically give a fair review of a book where the back suddenly breaks and all the pages just falls out, etc. But a game that's unplayable will get bad reviews, even if the bugfix is theoretically simple. Then there's the flaws in video game journalism. A lot of them used to not even have a degree in journalism. And if you take hours a game can give divided with the cost and compare it to a book, then bribing the journalists are really cheap.

Of course music journalism is also easy victims to making puff piecies instead of proper reviews. But I'm still waiting for the serious consumer journalism muckraking piece of why Microsoft could get away with the Red Ring of Death-scandal.

Svenska Dagbladet in Sweden used to review video games. But they had no real zest for it. Then some woman complained about video games not having some kind of Valiere Solanas or something. Totally ugh!

>>2671
>RSI
Ah, it can be curbed by the magazine etc stating what the different grades means. The swedish magazine Interface had a guide to it. Then you can have a diversified grading where the music/sound design and graphics gets different grades etc.

>>1782
>if i call everything irrelevant it becomes irrevalent.
>yeah the child is getting raped but its only rape if someone is seeing.
>if i call a chair a table it becomes a table.

when you are so dedicated to defend child porn that you transcend basic communication.

>>2695
First of all, socialism doesn't presuppose commodities being produced in the first place.
Second, socialism is about regulating societal productive output, not dictate whatever people do with their free time.
Maintaining an organization whose goal would be to specifically be up everyone's ass checking if they don't produce "bourgeoisie degenerate fantasies" is pretty fash.

>>206
ok sargon

>>209
batko is that you?

>>662
amazing athiest is still a brocialist socdem actually, unfortunately he buys into russiagate

>>2886
imagine being so shit that you manage to lose a UKIP seat in an EU election.

>>2886
Not an argument.

>>863
Different anon but I am indeed a "retarded moralist faggot" It disgusts me that you can even find it in you to defend an eroge game about raping children, let alone to dedicate such a sustained and delusional rant defending such a game, in an attempt to normalize it. Drawing a direct comparison to the classic novel "lolita" of all things. Frankly I think the lack of shame or self awareness you have displayed in this thread, in your quest to defend simulated child rape from human morality is likely indicative of incurable disease of personality. The fact that such a game would even be developed in the first place seems only appropriate of the moral decay wrought from the excesses of our amoral ruling class, great proponents of the love between adults and children, as long as it is sexual rather than the familial bonds enjoyed before the atomization of the family unit and all encompassing alienation.
The fact is that you may take offense to the censorship of this child rape eroge, rather than the game itself, you may consider yourself separate from the morals of human civilization, but you are in fact living in a society where you are expected to recognize and conform to societal morals, in this case near universal ones. You will be made to respect these morals, as is everyone else, through social pressure and ostracization up to the threat of legal problems and intervention from the community or the state. You may find problems, someone as vocal as yourself, whom evidently would shamelessly like to have sex with children, if you decide to ever take your opinions public. Really it is in your, and everyone else's best interest to seek therapy for these dangerous delusions, rather than subjecting others to them.

>>203
You need the context to understand what happened.
You have the lazy man, the apolitical one, the one who just want to grill, who is happy having bread and circus and just want to be left alone. He won't complain as long as you let him have his bread and his circus.
In our case, video game in the circus of the youth.
We have a thing called video game journalist to cover the topic. Not many people read that but it exist.
Now, over the courses of a few years, it went from what you except gaming journalism to be to insane socjus. Articles were about how to help trans people to feel more integrated, on how to fight racism, on the patriarchy. Gamer just want to play game, just leave him alone. Video games producers got hit too, and politic began to be insufled in games. It created a lot of discontent on the whole gamer population.
The exact same thing would happen if they had to play as a poor German kid in Poland being opressed by the evil Jewish Pole.

The last drop was the censure on every social media, including reddit, including 4chan's /v/? including 4chan's /pol/ of one minor affair about an exchange of sexual favor for good review.
Gamers dislkied that, and did pretty much nothing.
Then all video game newspapers said, the same day gamers are dead.
Gamers disliked that, and did pretty much nothing.
Then some of the feminist behind it went to the UN to talk about how sexist gamers are, and medias gave coverage only to the socjus.
All while the gamers just sat on their chair and tried to get their circus.

Long story short: the socjus movement always receive entire millions when they need some money, always get news coverage from a fortune 500 company when they need it and never have any problem with the justice even when they do something illegal like fake bomb treats or planting spybots on their website.

By pure coincidence, it was just a few year after pic related…. when the American left went after the banks and Obama could not send the cops to beat them back into submissions without ruining his PR.

>>3312
>when the American left went after the banks and Obama could not send the cops to beat them back into submissions without ruining his PR.
What? Yes he did, and it didn't ruin his PR.

>>3312
>3 walls of text of fictional encounters curated to push this gamergate hysteria

Games journalism has always had paid reviews and off topic clickbait. Having articles talking about socjus doesn't matter at all if you just want to play games, in fact the only reason it got so much attention is because of this alt right gg hysteria.
> The exact same thing would happen if they had to play as a poor German kid in Poland being opressed by the evil Jewish Pole.
>having articles about social justice is the exact same thing as nazi propaganda.
>the last drop was the censure on every social media, including reddit, including 4chan's /v/? including 4chan's /pol/ of one minor affair about an exchange of sexual favor for good review.
>muh /pol/!
The hysteria was already in full swing, being a manufactured hysteria, this whole thing was a 24/7 propaganda mill of fake rage just over this one fucking incident of this game developer sleeping with a reviewer that got salty and aired their laundry online.
Internet communities including /pol/ started censoring gamer gate hysteria because it broke their rules, because of flaming, or because of spam.

Please re-prioritize your life if you are still salty over this. I've been playing games since long before this shit started in 2014, and I've had 0 salt over it because I realized the whole thing is manufactured outrage and just chose to do literally anything other than take the bait.

>>3316
>a reviewer that got salty and aired their laundry online.
Your facts are way off here. It was her boyfriend that was tired of her cheating on him and gaslighting him, and he wanted to warn others about her including the married man she was fucking with.

>>3319
what a cuck

Are you nerds still talking about this boring shit?

Shut the fuck up you bitchy fags and do something else

For some reason, I haven't seen anyone mention that other post about ZQ. A reddit comment from a small, progressive game studio that said that ZQ had done something to harm its business. This was back when GG was still experienced by its participants as a movement of "liberals" and that game studio was a small but significant player early on.

What was their name again? All I can remember is that they tried running a contest for GG to draw a POC character in a power pose or something. They had a tumblr for that.

>>3497
Was it something related to the Honey Badgers? I can't remember.

>>3497
She's done a billion and one backstabbing things to people she's worked with, but one of them was this liberal feminist group called The Fine Young Capitalists trying to support women in games development. She got involved at first and then tried to smear their reputation as transphobic.

Oh hey, cool, we have a /games/ board, time to check this
>>203
&ltOh son of a bitch.
No, goobergate was never good, even from the beginning it was a reactionary chimpout that was built from the ground up by the right to obfuscate issues capitalism caused. Halfchan wasn't perfect before by any stretch, but that absolutely killed the fucking site. There wasn't anyone or anything to actually support in that movement, and it was overall a massive fucking waste of time from the very beginning with pretty much nothing good coming out of it.
>>567
like what the fuck is this shit? No, they can keep their shitty mascot, there's no reason to try to co-opt their shit. It's embarrassing, goddamn dude.

>>3511
Nah.

>>2694
>if i call everything irrelevant it becomes irrelevant.
Whether the author was trying to make a rape simulator, a critique of the perception of rape, a troll game, or whatever his reasoning was, it's pointless to look into since the product is a reflection of culture which makes it replicatable. The ideas being re-presented by various people in different forms of art (hence why I had a problem with the argument of the book getting a pass but the game is a problem).

>yeah the child is getting raped but its only rape if someone is seeing.
How it's being presented here is that it's nothing short but just a fancy tool to play with game models with a shitty visual novel attach. It fails to be a simulator that would give rapists a kick and it fails to say a single thing of the subject itself since of the actions being so disconnected.

It's by definition junk food that doesn't deserved to be remembered at all, if you read my post you would understand, if anything, that I wasn't defending the game.

Gamergate was a first mass reaction to corporations using idpol as a method of censorship for their gains. It started as some people noticing the incestuous relationship between game journos and devs and ended with both sides foaming from their mouth about danger of each other views safely forgetting the initial reason.

No, gg wasn't coopted or founded by "right" or whatever, if you say that, that means you take your info from shitlib mainstream sources. While there was noticeable presense of them, it was mostly because that on the other side there were liberals that americans like to call "left".

In fact it was only one of the many instances of corporation censorship happening, just the most noticeable one. Right now if you wanna see it happening again, i suggest reading some IT news, specifically about open source. Like Richard Stallman being fired from his post as FSF director because of some idpol politics, or putting pressure on Linus Torvalds same way, or getting rid of many guyd from OSI that support anti corporation stance. Porkies are using sjw as a tool for getting rid of the opposition. And gamergate was just an instance of that, but with a much bigger blowback than anticipated.

>>203
I just didn't pay attention to it lmfao. I already gave up on the eternal shitposting back in 2013 to give two fucks about that place. It was so unbearable I didn't touch /v/ again until 2015. It didn't feel different to me at all since my 2013 departure. /v/'s lust for falseflagging and rampant shitposting did far more permanent damage than the elections or this shit, in my well respected opinion.

>>203
>What the hell was gamer gate?
Long story short, it was a movement that became too big for 4chan itself(which M00t noted that he did not want movements on his site and noted Chanology was a mistake) and was relegated to 8ch and the rest of the internet. This was in protest and ethics of games Journalism. Journalists are usually slimeballs no matter what and are usually bought and paid for. But what made this special was the fact it became a rabbit hole of secrecy and organizations and various other things that kind of spawned a civil war on the internet. E-Celebs, Social Media accounts and various accounts where either for Gamergate or for censorship and various other practices.

You had news media like Polygon, Vice, and various other articles being written that Gamers were sexist and video games are dead etc. This prompted a reaction from normalfags to join in as well to try and fight off these organizations. It ended up falling over time due to the purity spirals but i learned a lot. There are still news outlets like Nichegamer and even other places that have been reporting and fighting the good fight on the internet.
>Did any of y'all participate in it?
I was at the mid point about 2015-2016 when it was hot and 8ch was indeed on fire. But due to schizophrenic paranoia and constant talks about politics and censorship and banning users who were criticizing the fact /v/ should be about games or some of the censorship was off and they were basing things without really researching at times, it kind of slowly collapsed. I left after that. There was classical liberals, communists, and yes even conservative right wing types as well.
>Was it a good thing or bad thing?
I would say it was good because i noticed as Gamergate wore on i began to notice the downward trend of pandering instead of making a good game, and also the fact of why things from Japan were being censored or altered when it did not need to be. Where it was the "Localizers" from the company that is pretending to translate the games that are coming here. In Burgerland it's just a lot more prevalent and adding things that do not make sense, or making alteration censorship for those who are adults and can make their own decisions. It's sad that for a country that call's itself the "free world" or even the "Greatest country on earth" it has devolved into censorship and alterations by the American versions of the Japanese companies or even organized shaming campaigns by gated community dwellers with too much time on their hands. I can only hope this begins to end eventually as i would like to just enjoy video games without having to hear something was altered, changed or had a day 1 stealth patch applied like Fairy Tail(when Koei Tecmo said there would not be any censorship and was censored on all platforms for panty shots).

It's odd that i would be considered right wing or facist but i would put myself as classically left or Libertarian nowadays.

>>203
It was like a nuclear bomb of e-celeb bullshit was dropped on 4chan that day.

Fuck /v/ermin for being the catalyst of /pol/ and the damnation of English-speaking imageboards. moot did NOTHING wrong.

>>693
Maybe you should just kill yourself?

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>>1782
anon sincerely please kill yourself in real life. I feel compelled to bully you and make your life worse if ever our paths may cross. stay away from kids you chomo psychopath freak. See:
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>>547
The fuck is this?

>>4864
>Fuck /v/ermin for being the catalyst of /pol/
You can blame moot for that, not /v/ users.