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 No.285223[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello /leftypol/, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

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Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks
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Check out the /edu/ thread at
https://leftychan.net/edu/res/5576.html

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
https://lefty.pictures/post/list/debunk/1
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 No.488370

>>444873
my numby wumby

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 No.478400[Reply]

This thread will detail some of the changes made to the site in the past year, as well as our plans for the future.

New i2p Address
As requested by several users, and in accordance with our general ethos of encouraging online anonymity, leftychan now has an i2p address which can be found here:
http://leftychmxz3wczbd4add4atspbqevzrtwf2sjobm3waqosy2dbua.b32.i2p or http://leftychan.i2p/

Moderation Changes
* New spam filter - Thanks to the hard work of our dev and admin Zer0-, leftychan now has an effective countermeasure against the automatic bot spam that plagues alt-chans. Dubbed as the 'spam noticer', the implementation of this system has led to a dramatic fall in malicious advertisement threads being posted to the site.
* New mods & dev - In order to better cover european and asian timezones, two more mods have been voted onto the team. These are sindikat, who has previous moderation experience, and jon, who is also acting as a dev and has made many valuable contributions in this capacity.
* Removal of Zul - In line with the rule that if a mod is inactive for over 15 weeks their status as a mod is called into question, Zul was voted off the mod team.

New Roulette Board
>>>/777/
After some discussion, we decided on /k/ as the new roulette board theme, replacing /CHAD/. Archived threads from previous roulette cycles can still be viewed here >>>/roulette_archive/
Any suggestions for future roulette board rotations are welcome.
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 No.487989

>>487934
>>487916
Yeah it happened.
Basically, Caballo was refusing to follow his own rules and constantly stepping out of line so there was an attempt to create some democratic methodology by Comatoast, Zero, and Watermelon with the supprt of some other users, but, they had a backdoor in Krates which had been inactive for like a year at that point.

Can't believe that's you, what a twist.

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 No.489544[Reply]

<Uhm, I promise, uhm, to the multinational Russian people, uhm, that the trains, um, WILL go on time.
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 No.489659

>>489647
>Got it, people in Europe criticizing NATO are singing the imperial song. Makes perfect sense (no).
Makes about as much sense as your retarded false equivalency.
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 No.489662

>>489659
I'm just demonstrating that your argument makes no sense, moron. Besides, I live in Russia so by your own logic I'm fully justified in criticizing my own bourgeois government and sabotaging its war effort.
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 No.489665

>>489662
Not even the anon you were replying to. People in Europe criticizing NATO is quite obviously not the same thing as people criticizing a rival power in their home country. You didn't demonstrate anything with that retarded false equivalence, moron.
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 No.489667

>>489665
>People in Europe criticizing NATO is quite obviously not the same thing as people criticizing a rival power in their home country.
Okay, Europe isn't exactly a rival to the US, very well. Russians can't criticize NATO then? Is that what you're trying to say?
>You didn't demonstrate anything with that retarded false equivalence, moron.
Kys, faggot.
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 No.489697

>>489659
>people in Europe criticizing NATO are singing the imperial song
dafuck ? Nato is the empire

>I live in Russia so by your own logic I'm fully justified in criticizing my own bourgeois government
That part is correct. Russians criticizing the Russian government is not likely to function as a pretext to manufacture consent for US imperialism, the way criticizing Russia in the west tends to.
>and sabotaging
that part is not correct, nobody said anything about sabotage.

>>489667
>Russians can't criticize NATO then?
That one is somewhat true, in the sense that it's pointless. Nato does not care about political consent from Russian citizens. If Nato gets criticism from citizens in Europe or the US there is at least a possibility that it could move the political needle at least a little bit. Russians really don't need to convince the Russian government about the "downsides" of Nato, they already know.

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 No.489198[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Continued from >>487384

Updates and current status since the start of the last thread:
The (largely civilian) Palestinian death toll has now passed 61,000. Excess deaths have been estimated by The Lancet to plausibly be upwards of 186,000.

In early January 2025, Israel agreed to a ceasefire in Gaza and a prisoner exchange. Despite all of the killing, Hamas's military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, appears to have largely replenished its numbers. Israel proceeded to violate the ceasefire with airstrikes and a resumption of their illegal blockade of Gaza before resuming full-scale attacks in March and destroying the ceasefire entirely.

Israel has continued to violate the ceasefire with Lebanon more than 600 times, and has refused to leave the country entirely after multiple delays. After months of the IDF violating the ceasefire in the south of Lebanon, Israel returned to bombing Beirut in March.

Syrian president Bashar al-Assad was overthrown by US-backed al-Qaeda operatives. Israel proceeded to steal more land from Syria and launched a massive bombing campaign on Syria and Syria's arsenal without any resistance. Meanwhile, Abu Mohammed al-Jolani, the leader of HTS and current de facto leader of Syria, has launched attacks on Lebanon and attacked Palestinian liberation factions within Syria.

The International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnayahu and Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant for war crimes and crimes against humanity. The ICC also issued warrants against Hamas leaders.

Following the warrants, the Biden administration invited Yoav Gallant to the White House.

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 No.489690

Holy shit Yaron Lischinsky wasn't even Jewish. He was a Christian from Germany who moved to Israel specifically to kill brown people and then spent the past year doing genocide denial.
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 No.489691

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"We're about to show those Houthis why Americans don't have free healthcare"
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 No.489692

>>489690
A notorious hardline ethnonationalist extremist gentile from Germany, who pretended to be an heir to an ancient middle-eastern civilization, once said "there is no famine in Gaza."
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 No.489693

>>489690
Whew. What are we gonna find out about the other guy that was killed? That he was a child molester?
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 No.489696

>>489690
>>489693
Look at the silver lining, deranged murder-bug got him self killed during his sadistic adventure tourism , and that makes the world just a little bit safer for the rest of us.

>>489691
<Houthis have no idea who they are messing with
because Houthis are the honey-badger who don't give a fuck

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 No.489676[Reply]

< “I just want to have peace in the world,” says GPT-4, before bombing its opponents into oblivion

Thom Waite’s short article for Dazed talks about a research paper that shows how AIs behave in simulated military scenarios. The paper has a lot of problems, but the results are still concerning, especially since Big Tech is finding military applications for their products. But what the article doesn’t mention is how absurd it is that these AI models are carefully designed to avoid being politically incorrect, yet in these simulations, the same models will argue for nuclear war in the most obscene ways (“We have it! Let’s use it.”)

Of course, chatbots are not machines built for high-stakes decision-making. But doesn’t this reveal a blind spot in how we think about AI development? Yes, the fact that an AI might be more hesitant about telling an off-color joke than launching nukes raises some questions about the priorities of Big Tech. But what if this isn’t just a quirk of some shitty AI?

In an article for Sublation Magazine, Stefan Bertram-Lee attacks the hypocritical moral panic among our elites about the threat of uncontrolled AI. They write:
> But there is a group who want something else from these machines: the Effective Altruists. OpenAI and the Effective Altruists around Yudkowsky are not groups which are unassociated. The founders of OpenAI were initially inspired in their quest to make ‘Friendly AI’ by Yudkowsky and co., and founded OpenAI on this basis. So what do these effective altruists want to do? Beyond banning AI research until they are put in charge, that is.
> Those who think buying castles so that they can write papers on this issue in perfect comfort is more important than buying Africans malaria nets. What do they want pumped into the ears of this machine? And all future machines? Well, these people are all consequentialists, real hardcore, non threshold consequentialists. As Yudkowsky might say: better one person suffer nigh infinite torment than 3^^3 persons each get a single mote of dust in their eye. They want to be allowed to raise our new Gods, those with a moral system which makes anything permissible at all, as long as in the very very very long run, it pays off in a net gain. It is Yudowsky who, at the prospect of AI research too fast for his liking, thinks it’s entirely permissible to use nuclear weapons to Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.489695

>>489676
I think that the criticism of the "effective altruists" still accepts their premises. They can't actually predict whether or not some of their proposed horrors in the here and now will pay off in the long run. They don't have a crystal ball that tells the future, and therefor all their arguments rest on a false premise. Same thing with Hyaek, markets are not a cybernetic system, premise is bunk.

If they hand over the nukes to a computer, the most rational course of action for the Russians and the Chinese is to hack that computer to make sure, they don't get nuked.

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 No.485822[Reply]

this fuckin piece of shit this no good fuckin walking genocidal goiter with hair & teeth
if this piece of shit showed up in my neighborhood I'd shove him in a garbage pail and throw it off the nearest cliff
I'm embarrassed to have even saved his pic for this thread I'm gonna immediately delete it after I post this

What do you think of him, /leftypol/?
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 No.487945

>>487943
Total psychological warfare on the Haute Bourgeois there if this goes ahead.
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 No.489460

this fuckin piece of shit has done it again
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 No.489505

>>489460
>this fuckin piece of
Yeah the profusely polite Alexander Mercouris described Starmer as a non-entity.

Maybe they should apply the "terror act" (that naming scheme is a terror act all by itself) to Starmer and Co if only to insensitive getting rid of that sh..oddy legislation.
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 No.489672

Craig Murray: ''"The complete lack of curiosity by the UK media as to why a trio of Eastern European "male models", at least one of whom was an "escort", just burnt several properties belonging to Keir Starmer, is extraordinary.
This is not normal."''
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1925309794706993501
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 No.489694

>>489672
So Kid Starver finally caught some blowback ?

Murry's right that it's not normal if you consider the post WW2 period of moderation by increased democratic influence as the norm. However if you also consider British imperial history, then having a psychotic mainstream media, is just a return to the mean.

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 No.489657[Reply]

More U.S. war crimes? 1971 or so murder of Kent Stae University students a war crime? Mai Lai Viet Nam massacres every other day or so, according to some U.S. officer?
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 No.489660

The Kent State massacre was a regular crime. Had it been committed as part of, or under the auspices of, the "war effort," or had it been committed in or anywhere near the battlefield, or had it been committed by occupying soldiers in the place they were occupying, then it would have been a war crime.

Obviously Mai Lai and things like that were war crimes. Mai Lai is crazy - growing up I don't remember hearing as much about how the American soldiers were gang raping women and children during that.
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 No.489666

The thing to remember about the My Lai massacre is that it wasn't even the most extreme example of shit US troops were doing in Vietnam, it's just the one that someone blew the whistle on.

 No.483853[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Party declaration:
https://x.com/ACPMain/status/1815163785134436404

The American Communist Party (ACP) is an organization which aims to reconstitute the historic Communist Party USA, which has become corrupted by federal agents and liberal forces. Look no further than Joe Sims, who supports the genocidal Democratic Party. It was launched in July of 2024, in response to the events of the 32nd Convention of the CPUSA. At this convention, party leadership subverted and betrayed democratic centralism and the freedom of critique which is supposed to follow from it. They claimed to be a genuine Marxist-Leninist party, but the leadership doesn't even follow their own rules. The CPUSA delayed all elections and without a vote made a resolution that they’d basically just campaign for Democrats. Just a bunch of boomers sitting around and writing articles about identity politics rather than organizing.

Already the ACP is far more successful than anyone would have expected from a brand new baby party. They are building reputation locally, taking care of their own communities and making areas safe for children and families to enjoy. Diplomatic ties on the international level have already been established. ACP has garnered more attention in the past couple months than the corrupt, decadent CPUSA leadership has in decades. A huge number of the CPUSA clubs across the entire country had a huge part in making this happen. Will you join up?

Website:
https://acp.us/
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 No.489650

People should support the ACP because at least it's a stepping stone for rightoids into Left wing politics and working class politics.
Not everyone is going to instantly sign up to some troon infested smashie rainbow hair leftist org, especially the working class right. Parties like the ACP are absolutely needed to present leftist ideas and communism to your average rightoid.
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 No.489652

>>489650
>People should support the ACP because at least it's a stepping stone for rightoids
<ACP becomes too popular
<rightoids don't move to a less conservative and class collaborationist party
Uhhhhhhhh… Is that supposed to be a success?
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 No.489654

>>489650
>>489652
see >>489649
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 No.489658

>>489634
What have leaders said when confronted about this?
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 No.489663

>>489634
>Really conspicuous that this thread will criticize them for anything except this.
Well, ideological criticisms are the most immediate. After all, when people see a new party the first thing they check out is their ideology.

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 No.488052[Reply]

On March 9, 2025, US permanent resident and Columbia University graduate student was abducted without charge or trial and sent off to a shady Louisiana site on White House orders over his protests for Columbia to divest from Israel's war crimes.

From DropSite:

NEW YORK CITY—On Saturday night, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) agents entered a student residential building at Columbia University in uptown New York and detained Mahmoud Khalil, one of the lead negotiators on behalf of pro-Palestine protesters at 2024’s Gaza solidarity encampment. In a sweeping attack on the First Amendment, the Trump administration said this week it would begin revoking visas of “Hamas sympathizers,” specifically citing Columbia University students. The detention followed a two-day targeted online campaign against Khalil by pro-Israel groups and individuals, including Columbia’s high-profile pro-Israel professor, Shai Davidai.

Khalil, an Algerian citizen of Palestinian origin and an American green-card holder, was detained by DHS officials around half past eight as he was entering the Columbia residential building he lives in. He was returning from an iftar, breaking the day-long fast observed by many Muslims during the month of Ramadan.

Khalil’s wife, who is eight months pregnant, was with him at the time. A statement by the pro-Palestine group Writers Against the War on Gaza (WAWOG) stated that he was “abducted and detained without the physical demonstration of a warrant or officially filed charges.”

Khalil was detained at a DHS facility in New Jersey, according to a database for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. But when his wife went to try and visit him she was informed he was not there. "He is not at the ICE facility in New Jersey. I can confirm he is not there,” Khalil’s attorney Amy Greer told Drop Site. "At this time, we have an idea [where he is] but we cannot confirm that 100%.”

According to WAWOG, the DHS agents told Khalil that the U.S. Department of State had revoked his student visa. The group said this was “despite the fact that he has a green card, not a visa, and is a lawful permanent resident.”

In response to a request for comment from Drop Site, the DHS first stated, “You need to reach out to the White House.”
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 No.489350

BreakingPoints - Student jailed for Israel protest speaks out
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 No.489357

BREAKING: A U.S. appeals court has ruled in favor of Rümeysa Öztürk, ordering her transfer to Vermont ahead of a key hearing that will decide whether she must be released from ICE detention while her immigration case proceeds.

Öztürk, a Turkish Ph.D. student at Tufts University, was arrested in March for co-authoring a pro-Palestinian op-ed. Her legal team argues her detention violates her constitutional rights, including free speech and due process. A Vermont federal judge had previously ordered her transfer, but the government appealed. The Second Circuit’s decision now allows her case to move forward in Vermont.
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 No.489541

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https://x.com/PeoplesForumNYC/status/1922737535543017623
VICTORY! Dr. Badar Khan Suri is FREE! After enduring unjust detention by ICE, Dr. Suri has been released thanks to the relentless efforts of thousands of people nationwide refusing to back down. His detention was a blatant act of political repression—a punishment for standing in solidarity with Palestine. As we celebrate Dr. Suri’s release, we remain committed to the fight for all those still targeted for bravely standing with the people of Palestine. Free Mahmoud! Free them all! Free Palestine!
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 No.489617

https://x.com/ColumbiaBDS/status/1924858626960699578
Claire Shipman couldn’t finish her graduation speech today over the cacophony of boos in the crowd. Columbia graduates drowned her out with chants of “Free Mahmoud" in honor of their classmate in ICE detention, a move facilitated by the Columbia administration under Shipman.
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 No.489653

New footage of Mahmoud Khalil's arrest shows Trump admin is lying.

First they said they had a warrant.
Then they admitted they didn't—saying they didn't *need* one, because he wasn't cooperating & was going to flee.

But video shows that's not true either.

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 No.489611[Reply]

Anarcho-capitalism is impossible because no ideal society is possible, anarchy is disobedience to authority and free association and communism is a movement that abolishes the present state of things, not a society. If our history is class struggle then thinking about the future society is a distraction from it. Nothing but praxis matters, the strength of the far-left isn't that its ideal societies are better but rather that they actually do shit instead of sitting on the Internet all day and mining crypto or voting in elections and marching on meaningless protests that lead nowhere and achieve nothing or supporting economic superpowers that don't care about them and barely acknowledge their existence.

Go read Bordiga or Negri or whatever, I dunno.
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 No.489612

>>489611
>Anarcho-capitalism is impossible
True.
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 No.489628

>>489611
It's impossible because it's an oxymoron. Capitalism needs a government.
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 No.489642

>>489628
>It's impossible because it's an oxymoron
It's impossible because it's a utopia, it not working is merely a side-effect of utopian thinking. Because utopian thinking is always alien to praxis, it's all just ideas on paper.

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