/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>490453
>Let's stop pretending. You can't do it again because you didn't really do it the first time. The only people who have to seize the MoP are the people who don't know how to create it.
<Workers create MoP, the capitalists take it from them.
<Then the Capitalists bait the Workers to create a second MoP with a false promise that this time they won't take it.
<Workers take the bait and create a second MoP, and then capitalists take it again.
it's a ruse

>Source?
Land enclosures in Europe and UK in the late 17 century. It's in every history book.

>Which worked so well nobody cared when the government was overthrown.
People cared but Dictator Pinochet (i think that was his name) was a brutal fuck that crushed the population with the help of US funding and CIA.

>why can't you simply create or purchase the MoP you need and live as a self employed worker with no ebil boss stealing your surplus value. What is stopping you from doing that right now?
this is a deception, you focus on one person to hide the reality of the system. If all the workers did that capitalism would collapse and the system would go full fascism, to round up all the workers for forced labor.
Also at the moment it's a bad time to start a business, because the customers have no money because all of it got sucked up by the super-wealthy. Governments are shifting public spending to war, which means the well is even dryer now.

>>487934
>>487916
Yeah it happened.
Basically, Caballo was refusing to follow his own rules and constantly stepping out of line so there was an attempt to create some democratic methodology by Comatoast, Zero, and Watermelon with the supprt of some other users, but, they had a backdoor in Krates which had been inactive for like a year at that point.

Can't believe that's you, what a twist.

>>488824
I saw this great breakdown recently:
>The DNC is like a corrupt corporation. Top down leadership. Great Public Relations. The GOP is like a mafia high table. Bottom up leadership. They follow whoever has the best scheme. They say the quiet part out loud. Both want essentially the same thing.

I think this is an interesting way of explaining how the process is different even though the end goal may be similar.

Putin is a dead on centrist who tries to please every faction, he's not a conservative at all.

I think some of them do and some of them don't. But their motives are irrelevant, because their goals must be stopped.

>>490465
wouldn't that make Putin an inverted centrist ?

I mean the centrists usually are trying to play all other factions against each other rather than please every faction.

Most right-wing politicians now that aren't part of the dwindling "compassionate right" are basically just machiavellians that will adopt whatever policies will keep them in power. They don't even pretend to have a coherent ideology or worldview.

>>490438
>invade Lebanon
I missed this one. What's Hezbollah doing about it?

>>490472
That was last year or earlier this year IIRC.

Suicide bomber kills at least 22 in Greek Orthodox church in Syria during Divine Liturgy

DWEIL’A, Syria (AP) — A suicide bomber in Syria opened fire then detonated an explosive vest inside a Greek Orthodox church filled with people praying on Sunday, killing at least 22 and wounding 63 others, state media reported.

The attack took place in Dweil’a on the outskirts of Damascus inside the Mar Elias Church, according to state media SANA, citing the Health Ministry for the toll of dead and wounded. Britain-based war monitor the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said there were at least 19 peopled killed and dozens wounded, but did not give exact numbers. Some local media reported that children were among the casualties.

The attack on the church was the first of its kind in Syria in years, and comes as Damascus under its de facto Islamist rule is trying to win the support of minorities. As President Ahmad al-Sharaa struggles to exert authority across the country, there have been concerns about the presence of sleeper cells of extremist groups in the war-torn country.

No group immediately claimed responsibility Sunday. Syrian Interior Ministry spokesman Noureddine Al-Baba said in a news conference that their preliminary investigation points to the extremist Islamic State group. The ministry said one gunmen entered the church, fired at the people there before detonating himself with an explosives vest, echoing some witness testimonies.

“The security of places of worship is a red line,” he said, adding that IS and remaining members of the ousted Assad government are trying to destabilize Syria.

Syrian Information Minister Hamza Mostafa condemned the attack, calling it a terrorist attack.

“This cowardly act goes against the civic values that brings us together,” he said on X. “We will not back down from our commitment to equal citizenship … and we also affirm the state’s pledge to exert all its efforts to combat criminal organizations and to protect society from all attacks threatening its safety.”
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>>490481
Maybe they should have kept Assad after-all.

>>490469
Palestine:

• Trump says Israel agreed to terms for a 60-day ceasefire. Israeli media suggests that Netanyahu may be actually negotiating an end to the “war”. Who fucking knows

• Israeli officials threatened to turn Gaza into dust if Hamas doesn’t agree to the ceasefire deal

• Haaretz reports that senior Israeli officers have admitted that Palestinians had been killed due to inaccurate and uncalculated artillery fire by the army. The report said the IOF confirmed that in the most serious incident, between 30 and 40 people were targeted. Some killed and others wounded to varying degrees.

• Spokesperson for the Houthis Yahya Saree said they targeted Ben Gurion airport. “The operation successfully achieved its goal, causing millions to flee to shelters and bringing airport operations to a standstill”.

• Dialysis treatments at al-Shifa hospital have been forced to stop due to lack of fuel

• Leaflets are being dropped over Gaza, reading “The tale is over, and the story has ended. Hamas has become a thing of the past. Hamas has led you to the edge of the abyss, so jump.”

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>>490470
July 2:
This is all the stuff I wrote today

• Hamas say they’re studying trump’s ceasefire proposal

• Israel is is pushing for the formal annexation of the West Bank before July 27th

• The GHF chairman said they have not had a single violent incident at or in close proximity to the distribution sites. As I have mentioned the IOF themselves admitted it so idk what he thinks he’s doing here

• Al-Shifa hospital got enough fuel for 2 days

• Iran has formally suspended cooperation with the IAEA

https://x.com/EyesOnSouth1/status/1941144675009847534
The Palestine Action documentary: To Kill A War Machine - is being played on the big screen in Sanaa as Yemenis prepare to march in support of Gaza.

>>490463
No idea. I'm trying to catch up with the past week, but let me know if you find any updates on this before I do.

>>490427
1.Yes,we do.

2.It is not yet obvious, but according to the data, perhaps China will face an aging problem as severe as that of Japan.

3.About 100 female：104.3male.

4. For most women, having money is the top priority, followed by appearance, and finally your personality (if you are a foreigner from a wealthy country, or a tall and strong black man , you will get a huge bonus).

5. Most young people, especially those born between 2000 and 2010, have this idea, including me.

6. To a friendly American person,peoples are friendly, then most people will be friendly to him, plus a bit of curiosity. But if an American behaves rudely and overbearing, he will be treated coldly or even with hostility by the Chinese

7.Mostly India,then South Korea and Japan (Although our views on these two countries have changed since Shigeru Ishipo and Lee Jae-myung came to power.But if Shigeru Ishiba also visited the Yasukuni Shrine, I think the relationship between Japan and China would become tense again）

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>>490423
I agree that China is not a threat, and i also agree that the propaganda narrative is BS to get funding for the Military industrial complex.

However it would be dishonest to say that there isn't a geopolitical struggle between the US and China.
China is trying to establish a multi-nodal world order while the US is trying to re-impose a uni-polar world order.

It is also worth noting the difference in strategy. The Chinese are doing a lot of diplomacy and economic linking, while the US strategy is leaving behind destroyed countries in it's wake. In the last 3 years Ukraine and Syria got sacrificed like pawns on the US's imperial chessboard. They probably want to knock over Iran next and are willing to sacrifice their client regimes (including that little fascist collony) in west Asia.

>>490429
>if a Chinese-American considers Chinese people inferior to him because of his nationality, he will be called a "banana"
Interesting, Africans have a similar fruit analogy they call people like that "coconut"
and the native-Americans (Indians) call people like that "apple"

>>490435
people from different countries always have similar sense of humor lol

>>490429
Thank you, here is another question if you are willing. Predictions for the next 5-7 years?
>1.Yes,we do.
Is this policy taken seriously? How effective is it in supporting child-rearing and families?
>5. Most young people, especially those born between 2000 and 2010, have this idea, including me.
Are employment conditions truly that difficult?
>11. Labor treatment and gender conflicts.
Could you expand on labor treatment? and gender conflicts? What are the major grievances from both sides?

>How many millions of people must die before liberals realise
Does it ever work like that? Liberals don't care until it affects them personally.

>>490449
sadly true. I can only hope that this effects them enough that it wakes some of them up. I know that sounds fucked up, but at least then something good would come of it.

>>490448
>How many millions of people must die before liberals realise
Infinity. Libtards are every bit as much the enemy as the most extreme vicious rightoids.

>>490448
It appears that this has also increased the rate of de-dollarisation, as well as lower the dollar's international exchange rate.

>>490464
The key here is that none of this is totally innate.
Literally anyone can come to their senses wrt certain things - Palestine has been a great indicator of that. There are MAGA people (not counting celebrities & politicians, I mean normal MAGA-infected people specifically here) whose beliefs in general are fucking insane who still have been horrified by the foreign wars & genocide, and whose worldview on those specific things falls closer to reality than the MSM narrative does. "Liberals" start to break out of the mind prison when they realize, too, like the "lesser evil" narrative completely fucking collapsed last year to the extent that even libs realized they didn't have a moral highground to try to guilt trip people into "vote blue no matter who" - I'm aware that fucking DNC freaks on twitter still did it, but nobody I knew IRL would, there was a genuine sense of shame. A lot of them are still frustratingly… complacent… but more are becoming aware of the contradictions now, even though they're still trying to keep up with the puppet show. Something I'm realizing is that the truth just fucking hurts a lot of people, actually facing the implications as opposed to merely saying it is difficult even for people whose class interests really aren't served by this sheer brutality.

>>490361
>The core of the issue is…
Is that elections are an institution of oligarchy. Why would you be surprised that anyone looks out for their own interests? Replace elections with the democratic institution of sortition and you wipe away the ability for the upper stratum of society to select for itself in government.

>>490361
This
The politicuans all grow up in the same homes, go to the same schools, eat the same foods, listen to the same music, watch the same movies/shows as the plebians.

They even have the same sentiments.

So if politicians are corrupt despite sharing nine-tenths personal preferences, maybe the problem is the plebians themselves


The real reason why governments are corrupt isn't so much greed but rather because they have to keep so many mouths fed.

Even if governments weren't corrupt they would fail because the plebians want things done for them. They don't wanna do it for themselves.

>>490361
>which fellow citizen wouldnt?
Many people are very principled so that is not a valid rationalization for opportunistic behavior.

>THe core of the issue is the average citizen is so evil
No, the blame for our shitty societies lies with the rulers. They command the surplus of society. Where they allocate the surplus is what shapes the moral character of a society.

The logic goes like this: in any sufficiently large group of people you find a distribution of all kinds of character traits. At the scale of entire societies what matters is what characteristics are elevated or frustrated. Like for example in Israel they chose to elevate sadistic and cruel character traits, because they see that as a means to kill off the Palestinians. People that have kindness in their hearts, got psychologically destroyed. There are many Israeli military conscripts that are now in psychiatric facilities because witnessing the horrors that the regime caused in gaza broke their minds.

The rulers could have configured Israel to elevate kind people and let them forge friendship with the Palestinians and the result have been peaceful coexistence. But they chose not to do that. I want to comment that this was very foolish because if you create these monsters they will eventually run out of victims outside of society and then they turn inwards and destroy society.

>Its you the citizen who is evil, the average joe who is responsible, the guy on the street
No responsibility is always tied to power.
But the powerfull always try to blame the powerless. This is what you are doing here.

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>He wants to make busses free, tax millionaires 2%, make childcare free and freeze rent in rent-controlled apartments

He wouldn’t act upon that, he’s basically just a other Obama

>>490447
>All the drive by shootings that Burger King does on McDonald's?
No, all the drive-by shootings that Chiquita does to banana workers when the Panamanian state is too weak to confront them.

>>490447
>soon in New York
Wow, the US is going to impose sanctions and decades of economic warfare against NYC?
That seems really dumb.

>>490442
>What do you think a black market is?
Capitalism isn't "markets", it is private control of the means of production. That's not enforceable without a government or other means of violence. You can't have freedom under capitalism.

>>490456
lolno, capitalism is wage labor for the production of commodities. Feudalism and slavery didn't become not-feudalism and not-slavery when the state owned slaves and serfs.

>>490447
>In the USSR. Cuba. Venezuela. And soon New York.
The food shortages in the early USSR came as a legacy from the previous system that neglected to mechanize agriculture. To be fair the USSR rushed mechanization of agriculture and did mess up at first. But they fixed it and from then on they did not have any food shortages until the 1990s when they got neo-liberal shock-doctrined.

Cuba only has shortages because of the US embargo, which it upholds out of pure spite. Venezuela suffers shortages because of US sanctions. They will probably get admitted into BRICS and that'll fix it.

New York is not going to have food-shortages because it might have a socdem Mayor. That is just ridiculousness.

>Free markets are self regulating because when one person gets too big and greedy there are a dozen smaller people waiting to swoop in with lower prices. This idea that if you just leave everyone alone then 1 person will somehow end up owning everything is nonsense with no evidence in reality.
>The reason we see so much wealth centralization in our current economy is because of external mechanisms (the state) stepping in to protect big corpos with bailouts and protective tariffs and legal immunity and regulations that smaller competitors can't afford to comply with. And sometimes the state straight up force citizens to buy corporate products. All of that is what leads the wealth centralization.
That 1 person that corners the market, will use his wealth to entrench a monopoly. Happens every-time. If there is no power that can enforce his monopoly, he'll use his wealth to create it. You can only beat monopoly formation by preventing anybody from centralizing so much wealth in the first place. Monopolies get destroyed when either A) the state gets used for monopoly busting, or B) there is significant technology change and the big monopoly can't adapt to it. if you invent a cheap fusion reaction ExonMobile, BP, Shell etc will be fucked, at least if you can dodge their hitmen.

>Private companies make money through voluntary trade. Violence is a cost. An expense. A risk.
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Like clockwork.

>>490027
Lucy has deep concerns over the gravity of this moment ?
Well earth's gravitational pull remained stable at 9.80665m/s², so not to worry.

I sometimes wonder if relentless contrarianism would work, so if Iran had a nuke there would be lasting peace in the region. Maybe doing the exact opposite of what the neocon/ziofascist-axis demands would actually result in peace. The logic being that they always want war, and peace is the opposite of that.

US Senator Ted Cruz on Tucker Carlson - "we're bombing Iran"

>>490179
hot damn, pwned !

"Paraphrasing a locked account I saw this quote tweeted on, but Trump is shilling his most unpopular piece of legislation of all time, and just bombed Iran (also widely hated). Dem leadership spending any amount of time smearing Zohran right now tells you all you need to know"

- Vice Rear Admiral Felix "Best Girl" Biederman