/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>483113
>I guess the restricted options for supply was caused by another one of those "subjectivities"
No the government artificially restricts competition to benefit the existing corporations. That's what government regulations are, they do not exist to protect the citizens from the big evil corporations, they exist to protect the big evil corporations from free market competition.

>You wanted to shoe-horn corruption into economic theory, i warned against that.
I don't understand what your problem is, corruption is a thing that exists in the world and you have to be able to account for it. You can't just say "that's not how things are supposed to work therefor I don't need to explain it".

>Go ahead conceptually subtract all the labor from the economy
That's actually a dumb argument. If you were stranded on a desert island with no society or evil capitalism you still need to do labor to keep yourself alive. You might as well say that without oxygen there would be no economy therefor all value comes from oxygen.

>Well you can have public enterprises that are productive. When it comes to weapons production, state-run arms-industry
Didn't we literally just go over this.
>government steals taxes from the workers
>politicians give money to buddies in private industry
>private industry funds politician's next election
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>>480064
i don't know why anyone even care about ogre

it's user interface sucks and they censor too much

haven't used or browsed it for more than a few hours

Civilians are coming under fire across Khan Younis
Tareq Abu Azzoum
Reporting from Deir el-Balah, central Gaza

A Hamas video has emerged, showing its fighters targeting Israeli tanks in Khan Younis with rocket-propelled grenades and antitank missiles.

Palestinian civilians are coming under fire in various areas of the city. At least 28 people have been killed in Khan Younis on Thursday, and more people are being transported to Nasser Hospital today.

Israel has been using quadcopter drones, especially in the central area of the Gaza Strip. Israeli aircrafts are firing at the Bureij refugee camp as its tanks are trying to enter there from the eastern flak.

Civilians are afraid of this ground incursion and fear that if Israel manages to control Bureij, they will then proceed to split the central part of Gaza in two parts.

Qassam Brigades claims hitting Israeli tanks, troops in Gaza City

The armed wing of Hamas says its fighters have struck two Merkava 4 tanks surrounded by Israeli soldiers in the Tal al-Hawa neighbourhood of Gaza City.
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Video shows Palestinian fighters target Israeli tanks in southern Gaza

Our colleagues at Al Jazeera Arabic have obtained and verified footage that is said to show Hamas fighters using rocket-propelled grenades and powerful explosive devices against Israeli tanks in southern Gaza’s Khan Younis.

In one clip, a fighter calmly approaches a stationary Israeli tank and fires a rocket from just metres away, scoring a direct hit.

In another clip, fighters can be seen laying explosive devices to ambush an Israeli tank and a large plume of smoke, which appears to indicate the tank caught fire as a result of the attack.

https://twitter.com/AJA_Palestine/status/1816555525972107421

Israel army says readying ‘decisive’ push against Hezbollah

An Israeli military commander says troops in the country’s north are preparing for “a decisive offensive” against the Lebanese group after months of deadly cross-border exchanges.

Israeli forces have traded near-daily fire with Hezbollah since October 8.
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>>483162
>that's the economic system socialists try to build
No it's not. Under socialism the product of my labor doesn't belong to me it belongs to Bob because Bob "needs" it more than me. It's a good deal if you're Bob which is why socialism only attracts losers who want to leech from others.

>but it's not like that now
It's not like that now because of taxes. If you are self employed then all the product of your labor belongs to you except what the state steals.

>you mean like the bail-outs for wallstreet
Yes. Free stuff at the top to keep the rich rich and free stuff at the bottom to keep the plebs voting and the middle class has to pay for it all. It's not your ideal version of socialism but it is a type of socialism.

>Those were capitalists not socialists
Nope. The government is the one giving the bailouts and when the government does stuff that's socialism. In a free market when banks go broke they go broke and if the CEOs owes money to the people then we throw they/them out of a helicopter.

>Can't have a working theory of economics without that
You are deliberately evading the question
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>>483170
>See picrel.
I distinctly remember Blair abolishing hereditary peers, stuffing the house of lords with his own people and gratuitously banning fox hunting just to wind up the Tories but sure everyone you don't like is a secret Tory.

>Corporate deregulation
You're saying there are fewer regulations now than 40 years ago? Calling a big old bullshit on that one. The point of regulations is for corporations to use the government to screw over competitors so of course they are only going to pile up.

>outsourcing
<refuse to work
<cry when jobs move overseas
Also this has nothing to do with government policy.

>union busting
Unions are the ones who destroyed your economy in the first place but ok.
Unions only exist because the government protects them anyway.
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>>483179
Work in a primitive society, like ancient hunter gatherers, work is directly social, all the work is for survival. In a more complex society that has better tools, not all of the work goes into survival, that is what becomes surplus. In capitalism this surplus is mostly captured by capitalists as profits. The state also gets some of the surplus via taxes or state-run enterprises. A big chunk of the surplus that the states gets flows to capitalists, like with wall-street bailouts and arms spending. Only a small part is going into public well-fare. And keep in mind that most well-fare recipients only need it because capitalism denies employment to a section of society, because they want to have a reserve army of labor on stand-by. So try not to be a worm that kicks down.

You're right that socialism isn't 100% efficient either, it'll have overhead as well, but you'll get a much bigger part of your surplus back than in capitalism. Btw socialism isn't synonymous with when the government does stuff

The relations in capitalism aren't really voluntary because You can't choose another economic system.

Given how much damage the financial crash caused, you're idea with aviation based disciplinary measures, is understandable. However I would like an economic system where the accounting and transactions system is stable and doesn't operate like a casino.

Nazis used gas as a weapon of mass destruction in the extermination camps. They didn't use it on the battle field against advanced military because it was obsolete. That is not a display of morality it's just basic grasp of military tactics. The use of chemical weapons in later wars was just stupid, it doesn't prove effectiveness.

The Soviets failed to ensure food security and that led to starvation, the narrative that it was done on purpose, was propaganda by the Nazis that was later re-used in the cold-war. It's wrong please stop repeating this.

Some of Mao's polices were indeed retarded and backfired catastrophically, however China did industrialize under Mao. Live expectancy doubled. And yes most of China's early woes can be attributed to the decade of colonial subjugation, the Communists inherited a huge mess. China's introduction of market elements into it's economy are indeed responsible for a chunk of China's economic rise. However you also Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>483182
>outsourcing
<refuse to pay decent wages
<cry when the low wage periphery uses the outsourced industrial power to dismantles your empire

>The only reason a government would burn votes like this is because they are broke
They're broke because they blew it on pointless militaristic schemes.

Again?

And how come a government/president doesn't have control over its military?

>>482488
>Again?
Might just be a flash in the pan. Telesur says it's already "neutralized"

https://twitter.com/BTnewsroom/status/1806088019549557005
Pro-coup troops chased out by protestors.

>>482501
Yeah the hole thing was basically a reminder to the MAS coalition that they have a common enemy.

Interesting TrueAnon episode on the coup attempt.

>>483174
>I'm a little confused on why Cockshott fixates on industrial capacity in the context of modern warfare.
More industrial capacity for things like artillery shells is a major factor in how Russia is winning the Ukraine-proxy war. There clearly is a historical parallel.

>The Ukraine proxy war has only reverted to attrition warfare because Ukraine is not formally part of a nuclear power alliance.
You are getting this all backwards. Ukraine had peace as long as it was a neutral country that played the big powers against each other. The act of trying to align Ukraine with a "power alliance" is what set off this round of attrition warfare. In a way you are trying to make the cause of the problem into the solution of the problem.

>>483175
I'm not trying to justify the proxy war at all, I'm simply stating that the lack of nuclear parity on both sides is why one side has been able to pursue an attrition strategy. A proxy conflict–Cockshott by the way has a strange definition for one that would actually exclude the Ukraine proxy war–is not a direct war though. This would not be the case at all in an actual world war. Any kind of great power military build up in anticipation of such a world war would be nothing but a weapons industry boondoggle for equipment that has no actual practical function because when great powers actually fight the nukes supercede all other forms of warfare.

>>483176
>I'm not trying to justify the proxy war at all, I'm simply stating that the lack of nuclear parity on both sides is why one side has been able to pursue an attrition strategy.
You're still doing it.

The attempt of installing nuclear weapons in Ukraine would look extremely threatening to the Russians and they'd attack to prevent it. Which would have lead to a similar war than the current one. For countries like Ukraine that sit between big powers, the only tenable position with is to seek neutrality.

>Any kind of great power military build up in anticipation of such a world war would be nothing but a weapons industry boondoggle for equipment that has no actual practical function because when great powers actually fight the nukes supercede all other forms of warfare.
"Great power military build-up" might get funneled into proxy wars. Other than that I largely agree with your assessment here. At least for the moment.

I think that in the medium term future, high speed kinetic impact weapons might take the role of strategic deterrent. Those weapons are much cheaper than nukes and they're just as effective at wiping out the military potential of a country, even when that country is a large superpower. There would be no need for nukes neither the big city-buster type nor the smaller "tactical" nukes. It would remove the Damocles doomsday sword hanging above all our heads. The Militaries might prefer the "kinetic option", because there will be much less or no political opposition, because it's a weapon that might actually be usable in some circumstances other than ending the world, and because it's easier to handle.

>>468707
>The thing is, because all his online content is extremely complex, technical post-grad level university lectures, it's hard to get his idea's out there.
It has to be like that because if the content was written in simple words then everyone would be able to spot all the errors and inconsistencies.
<guys look at this dense incomprehensible word salad I don't understand what it means but I feel smart when I pretend to read it therefor it must be true!
That's all leftist literature in a nutshell.

>>483137
>>483138
kek maybe somebody trained a textbot on those eugenics-rants

Keep your diarrhea in your containment thread, narcissist.

This person Eugene posted the same thread over at Org siberia. Are we really gonna let that slide?

Previous Eugene-lit thread has been archived at >>>/leftypol_archive/22975

advertising your site is fucking cringe brah.
sage this bullshit

>>482886
The people on the ground tend to be ordinary people trying to live, against the vanguard of the institutions who are shouting "DIE DIE DIE" in the open and glorifying the shouting. At this stage of history, "left" and "right" are more historical artifacts than genuine struggle. The left as a genuine political force was repudiated by the two world wars, and it chose to retreat to the institutions. As it did, it embraced all of the shibboleths of the arch-conservatives - retreat to the institutions no matter what, defeat of the people - and the right was propped up as "populist", dominated by the veneer of faggotry. That is Nazism and things like it, and it is common to fascist ideas.

Western Leftism is seemingly just based on Social Media narratives and youth "counter culture" trends. You can see that with the Chapo episode on Gaza where they interview activists from the student camps, and the students just spout Idpol buzzwords and don't actually really know anything about the history or ideology of the situation. If Israel wasn't so absolutely retarded and sociopathic and utilized progressive idpol bullshit more cynically, many of the pro-Palestine "left" crowd could easily have been swayed to a pro-Israel position.
LGBT and Blacks make up huge amounts of Zoomer/Millennial media and youth culture, so of course most "leftists" will simply care about gay and black stuff over everything else.

>>483099
You could say the same about the alt right then

>>483099
>Western Leftism is seemingly just based on Social Media narratives and youth "counter culture" trends.
Anyone will a brain understands that there isn't going to be a
"class war" in the west. The only way to rile up a violent revolutionary spirit in the west is through identity politics i.e. replacing the economic issues of marxism with cultural issues or cultural marxism if you prefer.

If someone says "Eugene, you're an American hypocrite" - I don't profit from any further enclosure of Indian land, and what was done was done. America has a lot of questions to ask itself if it is to be a "thing" in the future. But, those questions won't be asked. Eugenics won. This is the world eugenics creates. So, I think only about that, and I will work with anyone who will kill eugenist filth.

Amazing read Eugene, after you finish your work here, I would like you to reconsider seeking a Phd or Masters at Cambridge.

Also publish on demand is a thing, I would very much like to read your work in hard copy.

If you need help typesetting, which tbh fam I reckon you could do yourself; We can help.

>>483102
I know how to format it to look "professional" or something close to it. Just a matter of obtaining materials to make the hard copy.
I have most of Book 3 finished but want to edit it for clarity, to make it clearer what I'm referring to. It looks like "rant at highest volume", which it will be since Books 4 and 5 tone down the "doom is nigh". It comes off as doomer because I'm writing about concepts which are basically trans-historical - that is, what it means to speak of the concept of the political and economic, which are rather grody if they are distilled to their essential characteristics, how we speak of them. I really need to make the point that you won't find answers to the political within the political itself, especially formulations of it written by aristocracy - written traditionally by religion and for the purposes religion serves. Religion itself gives some of the answers of where to look, since no religion is a "total system" in that sense, and I'm opposed to "total systems" as an explanation of anything useful for us. The only total system that is relevant for me is the world itself, and even there, the world is not a "system" in that sense.

I have a supplemental I was writing but it needs to be edited, since I want to avoid "rant mode" and clarify what I wrote in the first book about the concept of systems, and how this concept could be worked with in the future. My main goal there is to demonstrate how a systems thought could be reconstructed from simple components, rather than reliant on pedagogy to assert a fixed system in minds that aren't able to defend themselves against it. My more long-term hope would be to write something accessible to a young reader, so they can do something to guard against the poison of education and we might have far less of this toxicity. I believe this will happen without me doing anything out of necessity, but the fear is very strong now and there is something very real to fear. If there is nothing but "the system" that we're getting - if what they did to us in the 1990s is allowed to continue but worse when the brats around me are the elders - it will be terrible to live through that. That whole thing was set up so that the favored would have their private and special education and everyone else will get nothing but "retard! retard!" shouted at them from cradle to grave. Since it's not Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>481167
The American working class is not invested in the "idea of America" or the "idea of Europe" or any other place. A territory is a place. The genuine interest of the nation - if you can speak of the Americans and Europeans as nations - is to get rid of these intriguers who foment wars where no war had to be made. The idea of Europe was proven to be a false idea by 1914, and there is no relitigating that. Whether some Europeans want to accept that or fetishize their gaudy state flags, they know that the only reason their countries are set apart is because rich people play the people off each other with a free hand.

What people want is precisely what they are denied - space to call their own, without some asshole insinuating that this is actually the king's forest, the king's city, the king's farmland, the king's mountain… you get the idea. Some other person who is in the same situation as you would not be a reasonable cause when it is very clearly the king, or the king's people and the class supporting the king, that created the enclosure. If someone from another part of the world specifically came to your village and acted like an ass and did so entirely for their own purposes, that is a different thing. So far as there is a collective awareness within a nation, it only is the common knowledge base that its members are connected to, rather than something inextriably linked to a "national mind" or a corporate body calling itself the nation.

>>480901
prison abolitionism is stupid, we need prisons to throw the fascists and porkies in

No, various reasons
>Only country that is a threat to mine is China, and China is 100x more based than my shithole country
>Not dying for the elite.
>Not even drying for our elite, but the American elite, who we are a vassal state of.
I would honestly just go up into the mountains and live there.

>>483098
Also why the fuck did you ban me across the site with 0 warning? I can't even appeal in /meta/ because of it and the ban appeal system is still borked you clods, so I can't even go through the proper channels and have to use Tor. Zankaria when are you gonna fix the ban appeal system!? It's been an issue that's been brought up before, including in regards to mistaken bans.

>country
Well spooked, my lad.