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 No.494673[Reply]

Marxism is not about vibes, justice, or who feels bad. It is about material development. Any attempt to condemn American imperialism on moral grounds is liberal humanism and thus idealism. Despite the moral indignation that are likely to follow this post, let me explain…

As you all know, of all the things Karl Marx was, idealist he was not. Nor was he a moralist for he never gave moral judgements when discussing topics as fraught as juvenile prostitution, and would be incredulous as seeing the self-declared "marxists" of our times using the language of liberal moralisms when it comes to the Epstein saga. Sure, as a man of his time, he wasn't immune to contemporary prejudices as was his case with gay people that I don't need to mention.

Needless to say, unlike whig historians, for Marx history was neither moral nor immoral, but amoral.
Indeed, he described the democide of the Native Americans in the New World and the subsequent settling by European colonists and their African slaves, as well as British colonialism in India, and even slavery in Ancient Greece as progressive in that it advanced societies relative to their predecessors (in ancient Greece's case, from tribal society to city-states). For him, European colonialism was a double mission: Destructive but necessary in order to destroy material obstacles to historical development.

It is with this in mind that I can confidently say that Marx would deem modern American imperialism as a force of progress. If historical progress is defined by the destruction of pre-capitalist social relations and the creation of modern productive forces — then American imperialism is not only progressive, but the most progressive force in human history. After all, for Marx the capitalism of his time was a destructive force of progress that was necessary for communism arises through capitalism, not instead of it. Before objections begin, I'll bluntly state that I'm simply engaging in historical materialism to its conclusions and refuse to apply moral exceptions to the infantilised leftism that dominates the current milieu of the western left.

We may object to it on moral grounds, but if we are to be materialist, then we'd have to acknowledge the following facts with regards to American imperialism in this day and age:

First, American imperialism has functioned as an unparalleled mechanism for the destruction of pre-capitalist, semi-feudal, clerical, and patrimonial sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.494698

>>494690
>Reza Shah Pahlavi’s white revolution that, if continued, would have brought Iran into the modern age of industrial production rather than having its industry ossified as it is the case in the present.
What is your basis for this prediction? Under the Islamic Republic, Iran actually has become one of the world's leading manufacturers of drones and Iran is otherwise well-known for having an enormous corps of engineering talent. This in spite of decades of attempts to block Iran's access to outside resources through economic sanctions. Conversely, under many vassal regimes in history the puppeteering power has kept economies purposely undeveloped in order to exploit cheap labor.
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 No.494699

>>494698

That shows how little you know about Iranian modern history, for the very weapons manufacturing and educated human capital you praise theocratic Iran for is built on the back of Pahlavi's white reforms which not only increased literacy in the country, but also kickstarted a minor Industrial Revolution that today's Iran continues to rely on to this day. Matter of fact, economic growth under Reza Shah approached close to 10%, while today growth has been stagnant even factoring for western sanctions.

If the 1979 revolution never occurred, then Iran would be wealthier than today, and with a more proletarianised populace as well. This are just facts you can easily read on any book on Iranian history, not an endorsement for current attempts by the American empire at re-instituting the bourgeois monarchy.

Just because Iran today sits on the opposite end of the USA doesn't mean that I, a historical materialist, will make a moral exception for that bourgeois theocracy in west Asia solely because it's besieged today. Moralisms and shitlib idealism shouldn't seep into material analysis.
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 No.494700

>>494699
>If the 1979 revolution never occurred, then Iran would be wealthier than today
On the one hand there would probably be less economic sanctions and Western attacks on them to contend with over the decades. On the other hand their oil sovereignty would still be in the hands of British Petroleum.
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 No.494758

>slavery in Ancient Greece as progressive in that it advanced societies relative to their predecessors (in ancient Greece's case, from tribal society to city-states)
Completely ahistorical nonsense. Not only did city-states exist well before the Greek Classical period, but it was preceded by a historically regressive period at the end of the Bronze Age where creditor oligarchies were allowed form and seize control of governance away from the palace monarchies that had once kept them in check. This gave way to people losing first their land and then their freedoms by creditors. The same thing happened in the late Roman Republic, and a similar, more rigorously documented phase happened in Mesopotamia at the end of Hammurabi's Babylonian dynasty. In all cases they led to the mass enslavement of civilizations, a dramatic reduction in written records, desertion of urban centers, and stagnation in innovation beyond warfare.

It was not slavery that played a progressive role in the Greek Classical period. It was figures like Solon issuing mass debt amnesties that built a body of free citizens to give way to democracy. Or, when city-states like Argos experienced cataclysmic disasters in warfare, they were forced to make new citizenship bodies out of the slave population and the consequent turn over lead to democratic rule. Slavery has never been a progressive force in history, it represents something more akin to a destructive detour on the path of progressive development.
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 No.494785

>>494673
Firstly, Kudos on such a great effortpost in the era of AIposting on imageboards.
However, I disagree with your primary thesis. If Marx would alive today he wouldn't be using the same analysis of the 1800s, because he understood that dialectical materialism requires our analysis to adapt to changing circumstances. The US has next to no organized work force and technology has only inched forward since the cold war. Technologies such as AI which only exist to kill jobs and surveille the working class are anything but progressive.

>Iran's archaic mode of production and imperialism

You'll need some evidence for this bold take. To where does Iran export capital? What private monopolies does Iran extend past its borders? Funding groups like Hamas is not imperialism by any definition. I'll admit that I also find the uncritical support given by "tankies" to be cringey, but the wholesale destruction of Israel should be celebrated by everyone, Left or Right, Gentile or Jew.

Marx had just begun to investigate metabolic rift and the externalities of capitalism in his final years. I doubt he would have the same productivist focus today when we see the pollutions of capitalism poisoning our bodies, minds, and planet.


All-in-all, a good post. You're wrong, but it's still a good post and I hope you have a good day.


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 No.487075[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Big massive thread for American politics.
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 No.494557

>>494556
Cuban DEA neutralizes Miami fentanyl boat
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 No.494566

Get the fuck out of chagos you yank baboons
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 No.494696

LIVE STOP TRUMP’S IRAN WAR Protest in Chicago
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 No.494722

https://x.com/BNONews/status/2028006740466274316
BREAKING: Multiple people shot at music venue in Cincinnati, Ohio
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 No.494759

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the americans killing iranian children


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 No.494560[Reply]

BREAKING
A gusano terror boat carrying 100% fishscale Miami fent has been neutralized after its occupants were discovered by the Cuban coast guard and opened fire. A tactical intervention by the Cuban DEA resulted in the permanent neutralization of 4 gusano narcoterrorists and the mild injury of 6 further Florida fentanyl traffickers. The 6 surviving Miami narcos were reportedly very upset abut their booboos, and cried a lot and blamed gommunism and would not shut up even though nobody cared or liked them. The FBI (Federal Booboo Inspectors) is reportedly investigating it as a major booboo incident.

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 No.494563

Was it really narco traffickers? I thought it was some dumbass CIA "Archer" style subcontractor trying to reenact the Bay of Pigs.
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 No.494564

>>494563
some "true patriots" of god=trump's army…
how the hell did some dudes in a single boat think they were going to take down the Cuban government on their own?
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 No.494565

>>494564
With American grit and spirit


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 No.494463[Reply]

Clashes in Albania as protesters demand PM Rama resign
Violence breaks out near parliament as demonstrators demand accountability in corruption investigation linked to deputy prime minister.

Police in the Albanian capital, Tirana, fired tear gas and used water cannon as protesters clashed with security forces during demonstrations to demand the resignation of Prime Minister Edi Rama.

Demonstrators hurled Molotov cocktails and fireworks at the prime minister’s office on Friday before marching towards parliament, where they were confronted by anti-riot police.

Fierce clashes lasted for about two hours in the streets surrounding the legislature, according to a journalist with the AFP news agency who was at the scene of the violence.

Police said about 30 people were arrested, while the opposition Democratic Party said about 40 of its supporters had been detained.

Protests in the streets of the capital have broken out on several occasions since the indictment in December of Deputy Prime Minister Belinda Balluku by a special prosecution unit. Balluku, a close associate of Rama, was suspended over a corruption scandal that is now being investigated.

Several former ministers in Rama’s governments have also been targeted by corruption probes.

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 No.494343

Gee whiz, I wonder why the Polish don't like communists. It's not like communism did anything wrong to them during ww2 or the cold war or anything.
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 No.494346

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_communist_symbols

Meanwhile Lithuanian Jews can move to Israel and apparently there's no problem with that.
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 No.494410

>>494342
>Really sad, I thought maybe Czech Republic was going to start to regain its sanity soon by proximity to Slovakia.
>Slovakia
>sanity
Ugh, mate, I don't even know where to start

Slovakia is in many ways very similar to Hungary and Poland. A deeply conservative country, where the catholic church is still very influential institution.

Jozef Tiso, the president of the fascist Slovak state, is viewed in positive light by 20% of Slovaks.

28% has a favorable opinion on the era of the first Slovak republic (1939-45) itself
(source: https://nms.global/sk/tiso-ma-sympatie-patiny-populacie-slovensky-stat-vnimaju-pozitivne-najma-mladi/ )

4% views the deportations of Jews positively (source: https://spravy.stvr.sk/2024/03/len-tretina-populacie-ma-negativny-postoj-k-slovenskemu-statu-a-deportaciam-zidov/ )

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 No.494411

>>494410
I find it difficult to reconcile that with the fact that Slovakia is lead by the last remaining principled social democrat in Europe.

The fact remains Slovakia and Hungary are the only voices in Europe opposing the bullshit proxy war in Ukraine and world war 3. Given the completely unhinged crap at the Munich Security Conference just a few days ago, yes that is sanity.


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 No.493947[Reply]

Hey, where can I get resources on how a cryptocommunist system shall be created?

I prefer sources that don't try to overcomplicate the subject itself to try and make the author look smart.

I have written a paper discussing the idea itself that I am trying to compare it to others to see if it holds water.
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 No.493965

>>493947
Have you read "Towards a new Socialism"? It describes how a cyber socialist economy would work using what he calls "calculation in kind", which basically equates money and time.

What we call "crypto" is really just a consensus algorithm, it's one of the tools in the toolbox for building distributed computer systems. It may or may not be applicable to building a socialist economy.
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 No.494279

>>493951

It is really funny almost sad that people in the crypto space are so ignorant.
First of all, bitcoin is less private than even the scam paper money that central banks have imposed. Just search the huge blockchain of bitcoin and with some effort you can find the IP and other important data from the transactions that people make.

You really, have to ask a question to yourself. Would bitcoin be so popular even for people like president Trump if it really was an anti-system currency?

The answer is of course no. The only real private and reliable at this moment and day cryptocurrency is Monero and that's why it is banned from most exchange platforms.

On the other hand, in an ideological level, communism is all about the destruction of money because it creates inequality. In my opinion, search for alternatives for your finances preferably gold but at the same time remember the final goal.
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 No.494295

>Crypto was intended to act in X way!
TOO BAD BITCH! The forces of the market make it act the way it does! You can stamp your feet and hold your breath until you turn blue but that won't change the fact that systems act the way that they act in reality, not how they're intended! Exorcise that liberal idealism from your skull.
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 No.494301

>>494279
How do I get Monero then?

t. Newb
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 No.494406

>>494301
You shouldn't hold onto a lot of monero for more than a couple of days, because of price stability. Get bitcoin instead and swap some for monero whenever you need to do a transaction.


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 No.494373[Reply]

What can we learn from original protests in Seattle against the World Trade Organization?
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 No.494374

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Was this the first time that "black bloc" saboteurs showed up to commit petty crimes and provide pretext for violent crackdown on protest? I can't think of an earlier time in which this technique was used.

Would the public have consented to their violent crackdown if the smashies hadn't smashed? To a lesser degree there was some punishment: the Seattle chief of police didn't get re-elected afterward.


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 No.494294[Reply]

That's not a 5000 pound gas chamber its a TUNDRA!

Thats not a gas chamber it's an explorer!

That's not a gas chamber it's a chief grand cherokee.

No I dont know what a mazda is.

Thats not a gas chamber it's a Tahoe!

That's not a 5000 pound gas chamber its a path finder!

The gas chambers are NOT disguised as transportation.

That is not poison it is freedom distilled in to air.
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 No.494297

Anon… are you feeling OK?
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 No.494298

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It's called McKinley actually
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 No.494299

>>494294
If you aren't riding your bike or taking the bus to work, then you're not a comrade. Simple as that.
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 No.494351

China and India emit more co2 than all western countries combined but somehow I'm at fault for this, and if only I'd stop commuting to work in my truck then it would stop climate change from blowing up the earth.


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 No.477154[Reply]

How does solitary confinement fit into the larger prison industrial complex? It seems to me like it would be rather unprofitable to keep your slaves confined for years at a time, unable to do any productive labor.
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 No.483707

Thats what K-12 education is, yet everyone still defends it
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 No.483710

>>477154
>How does solitary confinement fit into the larger prison industrial complex?
In the US the private prison complex is a remnant from the defeated slave-society. Stuffing a slave into a crate/box was a type of punishment/torture. That's probably what "solitary confinement" was derived from. It's probably just as ineffective as torture.

>It seems to me like it would be rather unprofitable

Yes, but private prisons in general are dubious from an economic perspective. Hiring somebody as a worker is more productive than forcing that person to be a prison-slave and worker-housing costs significantly less than imprisonment.

You're correct it's not rational.
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 No.483711

>>483710
Can that really be true? There's clearly an economic incentive for prison labor. Why else would Whole Foods for example seek out prison labor when they could be paying real wages to un-prisoned workers? I think prison labor exploiters usually aren't paying for the imprisonment; instead the state is paying for that.
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 No.483713

>>483711
>Can that really be true?
Given how broken the world is, why is it so surprising to you that shit's not efficient.

>There's clearly an economic incentive for prison labor.

It costs like over 60k a year to imprison somebody in the US. It costs less than half to hire somebody for minimum wage. So a hard NO on that one.

Just compare the physical realities, of a commercial space where people work, plus the homes they live in, to prison facilities.

Regular work places don't need all the stuff to keep people locked up, they don't need sturdy cells, guards, elaborate security perimeters, a search helicopter on stand by and so on. To hire a worker just post a job-listing. To get a prison-slave it requires a bunch of police officers to catch one, and a bunch of legal theater to make up excuses for snatching somebody from the streets and locking them up. It requires bribing politicians for fake laws to keep up a veneer of justice and legitimacy.

Prisons are also a lot less productive, than regular work-places. It's basically random snatched up people that are being made to work what ever productive forces the private prison labor camp happens to have. There is no skill matching. Since there is no pressure to upgrade the production equipment, the tools are obsolete tech that are really labor intensive and have low output.

The only reason why anybody's making money off this is because the costs are socialized and the revenue is privatized.

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 No.494320

even the nazis didn't use solitary confinement

its a particularly american form of abuse


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 No.484619[Reply]

Is there a posad guy here? What is posadism?
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 No.484620

It's the result of a Communist (Posadas) getting tortured by anti-Communist fascists. The Posadist meme is therefore ableist.
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 No.484645

There's a whole board >>>/posad/
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 No.484647

Posadism is disproven by the fact that nuclear weapons have been tested and used for nearly 80 years and we've had no communist ET contact
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 No.484649

>>484647
A blink of the eye in astronomical distances. Aliens 80 lights years away would just now be receiving evidence that nukes have gone off on Earth. If they decide to contact us in less than another 80 years they'll need faster-than-light space travel.
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 No.494319

>>484620

he was already a theorist before his torture in chile.

One of his ideas, communicating with dolphins is in the epstein files–but only because the rich were trying to prevent research in that communication.


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