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 No.477627[Reply]>>480743>>484984>>485566

Do they go

>I have to carefully construct what say to get the proles to do what I want and tolerate what I am doing


Or do they go

>I am so fucking god-like, I will use ruling-class language with my people and they will do my bidding.


Basically what I'm asking is do they have ideology of their own that they are unconsciously committed to, or are they blatantly just lying when they talk about things like creating jobs?
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 No.480743

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>>477627
Why did musk buy twitter? Because the smart people he has employed advised him to do so.
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 No.484984>>485005

>>477627
>Basically what I'm asking is do they have ideology of their own that they are unconsciously committed to, or are they blatantly just lying when they talk about things like creating jobs?


As a class they have class consciousness and powerful organizational structures in place to maintain their power. As individuals they are often retarded and out of touch even with the scope of their own power. Some of them really do believe they're job creators and not job gatekeepers. Some of them really do believe they should earn a billion dollars per second for "taking the risk" of owning the legal titles to stuff that other people manage and labor upon for them.
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 No.485005

>>484984
I'm increasingly believing that this is the case. That they act in their class interests because of their material conditions, but on an individual level they're not smart enough to really see themselves for what they are: instead they genuinely believe that they're the good guys and deserve their position.
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 No.485566

>>477627
>how red pilled are the rich
only instrumentalists believe in ruling ideology/systems. The reality is that they live in tiny bubbles being flung around by the iron laws of capitalism. some are smart some are insanely stupid. The vast majority tho, are extremely incompetent given the fact they have no command over capitalism.
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 No.485845[Reply]

What's the point of this site? Why don't you post on leftypol.org which is the real leftypol?
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 No.486430>>486431

>>486421
This is a partially correct analysis.

However you ought not conceptualize the state as a unitary thing. There are lots of different parts to a state. The same thing applies to the law.

Modern states are suppressing clan-society bullshit like honor-killings and blood-feuds. That's a good thing.
But modern states are also getting infiltrated by mafia organizations that are trying to legitimize their thuggery and make the police do what used to be done by goon-squats.

Think about copyright and patents in the context of the health-care industry. It's basically an ideological veneer for big and powerful mafia organizations declaring healing with medicines as their turf and taking a cut. But unlike street-mafias they're not fighting these turf wars with gang-violence, they are manipulating the state apparatus to do it with state violence.

The street-mafias also manipulate the state, usually via bribery and blackmail directed against low level functionaries of the state. So even in the embryonic stages the pattern already exists in some forms. Many small time mafiosi have aspirations to "go legit" and that can mean conforming their mafia-activities to what is considered "reputable business practices". However quite often they don't mean to change what they do, they mean to change the state and the law. They seek to conform the conception of legitimacy not their activities. When they succeed you get these absurd situations where what used to be a crime is redefined into enforcement.

When for example a street-gang raids and destroys the make-shift laboratory for biologically active substances of a rival gang, we call that gang-wars and talk about crime-syndicates. But when the exact same turf-struggle happens on a larger scale all the words change. It will get described as pharmaceutical company suing one another one for patent infringement and it's law enforcement shutting down the production of infringerínos or what ever the "correct" jargon is.

Obviously many people are harmed and killed because of what those gangs do and that's why it's considered organized crime. But the body count of the corporate sector dwarfs that, but somehow they're not considered organized crime. The difference is a mafia that got big enough to manipulate the state and the law.
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 No.486431>>486440

>>486430
posted this in the wrong thread
mods please delete post
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 No.486440

>>486431
You can delete your own post (usually)
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 No.486509>>486515

Over time, the likehood of an independent online community being taken over by malignant autistics approaches 100%.

I assume that is what happened on .org. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a schism and the better mods moved here.
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 No.486515

>>486509
It wasn't like that before the wave of toxic identitarianism.

The identitarian subject processes all information with a specific filter that asks:
<Against me or with me ?

It's probably possible to cultivate a culture of maintaining some intellectual distance.


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 No.486494[Reply]>>486496

The US federal government and health insurers aren't the main ones charging most citizens extortionate prices for basic life necessities, including healthcare and housing.

Those charging such are simply… those who charge such: specifically banks, pharma companies, average land/homeowners, doctors etc

When you get a bill for a $400 doctor visit where no tests or equipment was used, that's not insurance's fault, that's the doctors fault for charging you $400 for 15 minutes.

That's a near universal practice, and every point of sale actor tries to point the finger at another as the source of extortionate prices. But no one is forcing them to buy expensive malpractice insurance, lavish offices, inflated tech service contracts, unnecessary equipment purchase, and their own lavish lifestyles.

The issue is, any of them could simply… not charge extortionate prices.

Private health insurance is a joke, but they aren't the root issue. The root issue are the doctors, landowners, homeowners, pharmaceutical companies, and other point of sale groups and individuals charging extortionate prices.

I'm not saying this to point to individuals as the issue, but rather the class those who provide or own expensive life necessities. There's a reason early unions mostly disallowed doctors from joining.

Also, on a tangent, most pushing for "universal health insurance" aren't really pushing for insurance, but a free, or near free private health care, paid by the government. Private insurance usually means you pay out the ass in the case of an unlikely event, it's was never meant to be a safety net for routine care.
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 No.486496>>486498

>>486494
>Also, on a tangent, most pushing for "universal health insurance" aren't really pushing for insurance, but a free, or near free private health care, paid by the government.
This isn't really accurate - the difference between what the US has now and Medicare-for-All is that the current model is largely a private insurance scheme and the proposed changes involve expanding the one major public insurance sector to cover everyone.

>Private health insurance is a joke, but they aren't the root issue. The root issue are the doctors, landowners, homeowners, pharmaceutical companies, and other point of sale groups and individuals charging extortionate prices.

The difference between the doctors and the insurers is that the doctors do, at least, provide a material service. It's true that the pharma cartels need thwacking, but the insurance cartels are much more difficult to redeem in popular consciousness than doctors because the insurance cartels are as extortionate but largely only serve as middlemen.
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 No.486498

>>486496
Another difference between doctors and insurance is that doctors are the ones charging the extortionate prices for their care because they set their prices

you didn't get my other point, insurance means paying out the ass to cover an unlikely or rare event. the "insurance for all" proposals, aren't really insurance because they propose more or less free care due to the size and frequency of the subsidies
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 No.486499

>The issue is, any of them could simply… not charge extortionate prices.
As owners they have the GOD-GIVEN RIGHT of charging you whatever they want and if you don't like it you can go to a competitor g-d bless.

Or so that's the logic that free market zealots use. The reality is that this tendency will create friction (at best) with a big number people until something gives. But I think everybody here knows that.
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 No.486505

Doc: ok Bobby your surgery is over, it took about an hour, are you feeling ok?

Bobby: yes.

Doc: That'll be $300,000

Bobby: And the health insurers won't pay for it! Those damn dirty bastards. I hate the insurers so much, they're practically villains.
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 No.486514

I think OP is conflating 2 different things.

The CEOs of insurance companies are in the hot-seat because they made it a "business-model" to deny health-care. It's not reasonable to deny health-care to people. The acceptable debate-spectrum is entirely contained in how to provide health-care, not whether to provide health-care.

You're looking a bit like you're trying to deflect attention to get CEOs out of the hotseat.

I don't know enough about health-care to speak intelligently about cost efficiency. But from the point of view of a layperson it seems that this discussion starts with funding for medical research, there seems to be a funding bias towards perpetual treatments rather than one time cures.


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 No.484694[Reply]

>One of the most significant pieces of evidence is the testimony of Otto Ernst Remer. In a 1997 interview, Remer admitted that he had received Soviet backing during his time in the party. Remer stated that he had met with KGB officials in East Berlin and had received financial and logistical support from the Soviet Union.[13] In addition to Remer's testimony, there are other sources of evidence that support the claim that the Soviet Union supported the SRP. For example, a 1953 KGB memo outlines the agency's efforts to cultivate and support right-wing extremist groups in Germany, including the SRP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Reich_Party


What the hell guys, I thought the USSR was heckin anti-fascist???? What gives???
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 No.486458>>486466

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Trotsky keeps getting vindicated
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 No.486466>>486489

>>486458
Was Trotsky vindicated when he wanted to retain a rump Russian state with him as leader by giving concessions to Nazi Germany?
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 No.486479>>486488

Did OP forget all of the ideologies Mussolini was inspired by?
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 No.486488

>>486479
anarchism? Syndicalism? Which other brands of liberalism
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 No.486489

>>486466
My brother, St*lin literally made a pact with H*tler and lead a bureaucratic counter revolution.


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 No.480629[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I have been banned from leftypol.org for saying, that you can be a leftist and also oppose trans-ideology. This is not a fringe position, since Sahra Wagenknecht openly voiced her opposition against trans-ideology in the german parliament live on TV. And yes, she calls it that way.
I'm interested, how this site here will react to left-conservative opinions.
https://www.sahra-wagenknecht.de/de/article/3336.ihr-gesetz-macht-eltern-und-kinder-zu-versuchskaninchen-der-pharmaindustrie.html
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 No.486449

>>486358
Just a reminder that you're a fucking retard.
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 No.486456

>>486375
>At least I don't cherry pick
You kinda do. You're fixated on this one media story while you ignore the rest of reality that contradicts your argument.

>disingenious to say, or, imply, you have to have a political lobbyu in public view to influence the motives of a government and it's people.

It's kinda unavoidable, any significant influence is going to get noticed.

>spent millions of dollars on media

You are in effect arguing that funding media is election interference. If you applied that as a principle, it likely would have very dramatic consequences. I wonder how the media landscape looked like if media could only get money from small donations from it's audience. Tbh i haven't investigated, so i can't really speak to this.

Regardless, if you are making the accusation that the political processes were interfered with, you kinda have to show what the alleged interference has done ? If this doesn't do anything, why care about this ? unless it's just a pretext for a political which-hunt.

Looking at the effects of the machinations of the Zionist lobby, very dramatic violations of democratic rights have occurred. There's an example for you.
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 No.486457

>>486383
>Of course I'm incredulous. Why would anyone with a skeptical bone in their body or any sort of critical thinking skills be anything but incredulous after eight years of endless lies and manufactured controversies about the Russian boogeyman?
Yeah they cried Russia-gate so many times. And they've made false accusations against anti-war people, almost equating opposing the drive to war with treason. That was the point where i checked out and filed the hole thing under warmongering.
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 No.486459

>>486384
>If you cannot take the time out of your day to read factual information
The mainstream media are sales people who try to sell wars, factual information is incidental.
They invented weapons of mass destruction and infanticide to sell a war in Iraq, they invented chemical attacks in Syria, and at some point they even claimed China was murdering between 1 and 2 million people in extermination camps.

If they say stuff that sounds like another sales-pitch for war, it's not unreasonable to just dismiss it.
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 No.486460

>>486391
>You faggots are literally just Russian spies lmfao
They said that about everybody who predicted that a Nato-Russia proxy war would back-fire.

>>486393
kek we have a new unit of measurement
0.1 Rogan


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 No.486172[Reply]>>486179

Why is no one talking about HR.4359? The "Crucial communism teaching act" Which is basically a bill that is being pushed to force anti communist teachings in public schools? This is such a disgusting fucking joke. Are we are to witness another red scare in this country?
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 No.486174>>486178

>>486173
Not OP but they've switched to state mandated anti-communist propaganda, which is explicit. At least that's how I interpret it.

Let's hope it works out worse than D.A.R.E and the war on drugs.
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 No.486176>>486177

While this is surely an escalation, we have to realize that teaching can only ever go so far in informing people. The problem is that schools are a dependent institution funded by the government. And the moment you start giving students ideas that the system might not be the best possible system we can come up with is when you run into vested interests prepared to pull your funding. In Marxist terms they are a "subsumed class process". Leftists honestly need to do a better job communicating the class character of schools.
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 No.486177>>486178

>>486176
You can't actually use ideology to trick people that way. People who live in a broken system, know it, propaganda can't out-compete lived reality.

The goal of this shit, is to get everybody to pretend the system works.
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 No.486178

>>486173
>>486174
>>486177

Schooling has always been anti-worldly. Teachers have always pathologised students who express non-liberal opinions, use new tech, or adopt new slang.
Or homemade academic methods of solving math problems.
Teachers like to talk about how they love teaching and want students to learn critical thinking but they get offended when kids do t conform to the presumed role of wide eyed innocence.
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 No.486179

>>486172
>Are we are to witness another red scare in this country?
We're heading rapidly into an era of outright dictatorship in the US. It's the long-term result/goal of the neoliberal project: remove functions of state from any semblance of democratic control through privatization and deregulation, and then use those privatized functions to do things which the government would come under fire for if it did directly, all while increasing control over national wealth and increasing capture over the political state itself.
It doesn't matter that the US really has no major united socialist movement to speak of. America's rentier capitalist elites know that a crisis is coming and are acting preemptively to protect their control over wealth and power. Meanwhile, workers are not acting and organizing quickly enough.

This year, we are going to see the next major recession… it will most likely begin within the next 6 months. This will be before or after the start of WWIII with a major war on Iran. Trump might be a dotard, but he is still intended as the "bad cop" of the American oligarchic state, although it's possible that he dies and they replace him with Thiel's Vance. What we're looking at is so much worse than most people comprehend, and they've been working on this shit since the '80s, and working even harder since the '00s. This insane red scare shit is the tip of the fucking iceberg.


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 No.483794[Reply]

Remember when people thought this guy was some kind of lefty?
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 No.484487

>>484431
É verdade camarada anão.
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 No.484494

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>>483796
Looks like the diamond billionaire caved and complied with Brazilian demands to ban accounts the government doesn't like.
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 No.484518

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Y'all should get into Brazilian Maoismo

Procurem estudar o Maoismo
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 No.486167

https://petras.lahaine.org/the-worker-president-and-the-banker/
https://petras.lahaine.org/brazil-extractive-capitalism-and-the-great-leap-backward/


Just two short articles for fellow Brazilians to remember who Lula really is as our country continues to get raped by Bankers with the unconditional support by our Father of The Poor (trademark)

https://x.com/comentadosuave/status/1865508031988961369
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 No.486168

Lula é um comunista lixoso. Deu dinheiro para Maduro, Irã, puxa o saco da Russia. Apoia o ativismo juridico do stf e do cabeça de rola, so sabe cobrar imposto e aumentar burocracia, indicou advogado ao stf. Sem falar que ele É o protagonista dos dois MAIORES escandalos de corrupção da historia do pais e so esta solto porque tem amigos no STF que o soltaram. Petistas, pau no cu de vcs


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 No.478550[Reply]

Aerial evidence follows months of President Nicolás Maduro ramping up claim to Essequibo region

Venezuela is expanding military bases near its border with Guyana and deploying forces to the jungle frontier as President Nicolás Maduro ramps up his threats to annex the country’s oil-rich neighbour, satellite images have revealed.

Maduro pledged at mediation talks in December not to take military action against his neighbour but images shared by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington today suggest a buildup of forces.

Christopher Hernandez-Roy, deputy director of CSIS’s Americas programme, said: “The same day that the Venezuelan foreign minister is meeting with Guyanese diplomats, the Venezuelan military is conducting tank drills just a stone’s throw from Guyana. All of this tells us Maduro is pursuing a duplicitous policy.”

Venezuela has long laid claim to the resource-rich Essequibo region, which makes up two-thirds of Guyana, but Maduro has ramped up the country’s claim to the disputed territory in recent months.

After months of campaigning, the country held a vote in December in which Maduro said the Venezuelan people backed the country to take the vast swathe of jungle by force.

The aerial shots show that while Venezuelan diplomats subsequently met their Guyanese counterparts to calm simmering regional tensions, the Venezuelan military sent tanks and missile-equipped patrol boats to the border.

“This escalatory behavior on the part of Venezuela creates opportunities for miscalculation and loss of control over events on the ground,” CSIS warns in its report on the escalating dispute.
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 No.478559>>478565

>>478556
An interesting observation. I wonder if anyone's thought of that.
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 No.478560

fuck the socdem backstabber maduro, suppressing the PCV, making deals with the great satan and dengist china, and ignoring the awful conditions of the venezuelan worker. but he'll waste time and money on a useless war just to distract from his betrayals.
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 No.478565

>>478556
>America could use this as a excuse to deploy troops.
>>478559
>I wonder if anyone's thought of that.
Maybe that's the point.

Venezuela can't conquer Essequibo if the US deploys its military. But the US will have forces tied up in a stalemate and the ExonMobile project in Essequibo would likely become indefinitely postponed. With the Exon Mobile project stalled, US reliance on Venezuelan oil production will continue, and Venezuela keeps it's negotiation lever to keep sanctions at bay.
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 No.486078>>486079

According to Redstream on Twitter, "Is the US preparing for war with Venezuela? Caracas says that US Southern Command is carrying out joint military exercises in neighboring Guayana."

https://x.com/redstreamnet/status/1865013088937726441
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 No.486079

>>486078
More on that


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 No.483723[Reply]>>486032

Seriously wtf
Is Macron dictator for life now? What's happening? What's going on?
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 No.483729

>>483728
>I feel like we might actually be at a turning point with this stuff. The pro-Palestine/anti-genocide movement in the US has comparable stuff going on, where the so-called "centrists" keep rejecting absolutely every generous concession and compromise from the people they characterize as "radicals," who actually represent an ever-growing portion of popular consensus.
What i found noteworthy was how surprised and befuddled the ruling classes were when they got so much shit for supporting a genocide. They appear to have mentally disconnected from the population. That's probably why they're rejecting every compromise that's offered to them.

Their blunt imperial smash strategies don't work either anymore, and they don't appear to be accepting that either.
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 No.486031>>486033

France just ousted their prime minister.
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 No.486032

>>483723
>Macron dictator for life now
J V P I T E R
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 No.486033>>486038

>>486031
Which one ?
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 No.486038

>>486033
Barnier.


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 No.485941[Reply]

So the Russians are the first ones to demonstrate, what appears to be a purely or mostly kinetic impact weapon that is rocket-propelled. This thing competes with low yield so called "tactical nukes". Without any of the downsides like radioactive contamination and massive shock-waves.

They destroyed a weapons factory complex and aside from an estimated 100 people that were inside, nobody else died, the surrounding buildings weren't damaged. The decades old promise of doing "surgical strikes" at scale and parity without "collateral damage" seems to have finally been realized.

Given how much more focused the delivery of destructive energy from those impactors are, it's likely more effective at destroying hardened military targets than most nukes. Nukes technically are plasma weapons. And for this new weapon the line between kinetic and energy weapons is beginning to blur a little as well because of the extreme physical conditions during impact.

I would consider this as a strategic deterrent, because it likely can destroy icbm missile silos, air-fields, naval ports/battle-groups and command and controle bunkers. Part of the deterrence effect might also be that the political cost of actually using one is much lower than with nukes.

I also think that they will tag on other functionality, like replacing the 36 impactors that slam into the ground, with an air-to-air variation making hole squadrons of fighters or drones go poof.

There also is the arms-race aspect, i wonder how that will play out.

It might change the political game too. At present the neocons antagonize Russians in order to create a threatening enemy in order to get funding for their schemes. But since this new weapon doesn't really threaten anything that touches the majority of the population, the political effect of the "Russian boogieman" might just fade away. Companies like Black Rock have been lobbying for the Ukraine war, I've been wondering for a long time whether these war-lobbies would get targeted like military eventually, it wasn't really possible, until now.

If WW3 was fought with this type of missile not many people would die, probably less than in many of the currently active wars. People could opt out of WW3, just by avoiding the places that would be strategical targets. So that's why i think it might be a silver bullet.
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 No.485973

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/11/sputnik-2-0-oreshnik-and-the-western-military-capabilities-gap.html

>This post endeavors, at a very high level, to discuss how the US/NATO shortcomings against Russia and the so-called West’s geostrategic competitors, are more foundational than most commentators recognize. This is due at least in part to an onslaught of propaganda maintaining long-standing prejudices against Slavs and non-white countries that industrialized after Europe.1
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 No.485974>>485975

>>485971
<Defense as a Service
They got some ballz to try that scam on people with the most guns.
But then again maybe the guns don't work because they can't ping the server that checks for the subscription licenses. The soldiers will have to install a crack to make sure their equipment works.

Maximum late stage capitalism.
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 No.485975>>485996

>>485974
It worked with the F-35.

It seems like the natural next step as far as Amerifat procurement goes. They'd have to undo 50 years of government sabotage and corporate/political imbalance in order to go any other direction than "hit the privatization button." I don't think there's any political will for that.
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 No.485995

>>485967
>plasma
Until we figure out plasma instability, we can't make sophisticated plasma configurations like a stable plasma ball.
However a plasma projector that acts like a highly localized shield against most types of weapons is conceivable. Think about a long range sandblaster wearing down incoming weapons fire with ionized particles. But we probably don't have a power-source for that, I'm guessing 200 gigawatts continuous is the barrier to entry for this.

>anti-matter bullets

We can't use anti-matter as the main energy carrier, because we can't make that stuff in quantity, and because we can't do low enough tolerances to make storage reliable enough.
We probably don't want to set off anti-matter explosions anyway since it will cause really nasty highly energetic particle emissions that make the stuff that comes out of nukes look harmless by comparison.

It is more plausible to use a few anti-matter particles as a means to set off a really small fusion reaction, (maybe with an intermediate fission reaction to further economize on anti-matter, which at the moment is the most expensive stuff by a huge margin). You can trap a few anti-matter particles in a magnetic vacuum bottle, if you have good enough or cold enough superconductor material.

There is a somewhat more low-tech way to make "nuclear bullets" small enough even for a regular rifle. It requires synthesizing a specific radio-active fissionable element, so it's not a cheap proposition by any means. And those bullets also would require a lot of cooling so there would be practicality limits of carrying a big ammo refrigeration unit around. If you set it off it would generate mostly gamma radiation but it would be powerful enough to melt a tank into a puddle of molten metal.

I'm not sure where you are going with this, but if i had to guess i'd say you are trying to make weapons munitions really small ? Maybe you can explain your motivation for that ?
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 No.485996

>>485975
>It worked with the F-35.
It worked in the sense that arms producers got rich off this.
However the US had a huge lead in air-power over anybody else and the F35 has shrunk that lead by a considerable amount.

>They'd have to undo 50 years of government sabotage and corporate/political imbalance in order to go any other direction than "hit the privatization button."

I agree that the problem came from privatization, but i don't know what you mean with:
government sabotage
corporate/political imbalance


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