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▶ No.486436[Reply]

Discuss.
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>>487101
>No idea how anyone can take "THE PLAGUES ARE JUST MADE UP!" as the lesson of COVID.
>They lied about a lot of stuff, but the deaths and medical bills were real
If somebody tells half-truths the simplest strategy is to just assume everything they say is a lie. It's not the best strategy when you "game this out" but it usually ends up in the "strategy-success-pile". I'm astonished you'd find this reaction surprising. The cost of believing a lie usually is much higher than missing out on a truth.
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▶ No.487129>>487137

>>487110
>If somebody tells half-truths the simplest strategy is to just assume everything they say is a lie. It's not the best strategy when you "game this out" but it usually ends up in the "strategy-success-pile". I'm astonished you'd find this reaction surprising. The cost of believing a lie usually is much higher than missing out on a truth.
Except a lot of what they lied about was stuff like saying "masks aren't effective!" early on, over-stating the efficacy of vaccines in preventing the illness, downplaying the contagiousness at the start of the pandemic, and then downplaying the death rate as they ended shutdowns in the US, and continuing to downplay it after Biden was elected.
If someone lies to me about what kind of plane is in the sky, and I see the plane there and it's different from the kind of plane they say it is, at no point is it rational for me to then conclude that planes don't exist and aviation is fake. I had COVID, most people I know had COVID, some people I knew were hospitalized for complications of COVID, at least one friend's grandparent was killed by COVID, and tons of people died of it. Unless you were living under a rock at the time and didn't know anybody or catch it, it would be completely insane to come to the conclusion that it didn't exist. It's not critical thinking, it's some sort of weird mindless pure reaction where someone somehow got accidentally reverse psychology'd into disregarding their own eyes, medicine, and all evidence just because the US gov't lied about some stuff, even though some of the gov'ts deception was downplaying how bad the very same disease was.
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▶ No.487131>>487133

>>487101
This """bird flu""" is just a cover story for herd culling to raise prices. Farmers always destroy their crops/livestock if they can't sell them at a price that's profitable enough. Now they "test" the birds for "bird flu" and find that SHOCKINGLY, some of the chickens they keep cooped up in disgusting, toxic factory farms are unhealthy. Their test is rigged to come up positive for a % of birds tested, then they just start culling. Bonus if the big farms can force their competitors to do the culling instead.

Of course if you truly believed this bird flu virus narrative, the culling is still nonsensical. Why not just quarantine the birds and let the virus run its course? It'd be much cheaper than culling millions of them. That's one clue for the believers that this is BS. Here's another: if this bird flu virus is so virulent and harmful and spreads to humans, then why did it take so long for this bullshit announcement to come out? Clearly it's not containable and should have been spreading to humans immediately.

>They lied about a lot of stuff, but the deaths and medical bills were real
The deaths were real and they were iatrogenic as well as simply relabeled flu cases.
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▶ No.487133

>>487131
>The deaths were real and they were iatrogenic as well as simply relabeled flu cases.
Or maybe the flu deaths that year were relabeled COVID cases. Did u think of that?
Maybe they made up influenza to sell vaccines. Oooh!
Adding in "relabeled" flu cases there is especially funny because you'd have to multiply the worst flu epidemic of the 2010s 9x to even almost get the amount of COVID deaths in 2021 alone. Of the worst flu outbreaks in US history, only the Spanish Flu outbreak of 1918 got numbers like this. Unless this was one of the worst, if not the worst flu outbreak in US history paired with a total systemic pattern of medical homicide, the explanation that it was "iatrogenic" deaths paired with relabeled flu deaths makes no sense. Flu deaths even in years with high flu mortality would barely be a drop in the bucket. It doesn't meet the requirements for scale.
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>>487129
>Except a lot of what they lied about was stuff like saying "masks aren't effective!" early on, over-stating the efficacy of vaccines in preventing the illness, downplaying the contagiousness at the start of the pandemic, and then downplaying the death rate as they ended shutdowns
Governments can lie about things like a secret weapons program because that is stuff that doesn't directly touch the lives of their citizens, and it usually won't have any consequences. But they can't lie about things that touch the lives of their citizens without burning the institutional trust that enables them to have authority.

By the way the biggest lie related to covid was the omission that it had been predicted many years in advance, in exceptional detail, down to problems like hospitals lacking ventilator equipment. Given that foreknowledge we could have implemented decent public healthcare policies, and covid would have been a "nothing burger" that hardly killed anybody and only severely harmed very few. A decision was made to ignore the warning and let millions die.

If it had swung the other way and governments had implemented good public health care policy based on the scientific projection. Good governance of this type would have increased public trust by a lot.

>If someone lies to me about what kind of plane is in the sky, and I see the plane there and it's different from the kind of plane they say it is, at no point is it rational for me to then conclude that planes don't exist and aviation is fake.
You need a electron microscope to see a virus. I too looked at the scientific publications with the covid e-scope pics and yeah if you understand how to look at those it does make the virus as real as seeing a plane in the sky. But many people aren't plugged into the scientific sphere. To them it's not a objective measurement, to them it's a story where somebody claims to have seen a strange flying machine.

>I had COVID, most people I know had COVID, some people I knew were hospitalized for complications of COVID, at least one friend's grandparent was killed by COVID, and tons of people died of it. Unless you were living under a rock at the time and didn't know anybody or catch it, it would be completely insane to come to the conclusion thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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▶ No.486875[Reply]

TikTok refugees are migrating to RedNote

There are a lot of cute interactions happening on RedNote aka Xiaohongshu between americans and native chinese users as tiktok faces am imminent ban in the US.

The devs there are working hard to get the app translated for english speakers.

Go on RedNote and repost some positive interactions.

keep the comments positive
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>>487005
was meant for >>487001
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>>487002
Ew, stop posting that faggot
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▶ No.487008>>487036

>>487002
>Unironically is Elon some kind of closet Bolshevik whose actions are calculated to instill class consciousness
he does like rockets, the Bolsheviks also liked those.

But it's unlikely.
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▶ No.487010

>>487002
>to instill class consciousness
To be fair you have to have a pretty high I _Q to understand Elon Musk but the real question is, can he prevent it at this point even if they tried doing so at all costs?
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>>487008
He really likes to dab he just has trouble doing them.

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▶ No.486558[Reply]

We need Communism, but fuck being outside the ruling class in a Communist society.
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>>486949
>Are you sure that these "Greek tyrants" actually were tyrannical ?
That was exactly the point of the sentence you're responding to. Like democracy, autocratic rulers were sometimes capable of doing nice things for their demos. Michael Hudson points out in his recent book The Collapse of Antiquity that many of the Greek tyrants of the 7th century where dissident aristocrats who exploited anger against the nobility to seize power, and then instated populist reforms which would later pave the way for the development of democracies. Alternatively, you could have despotic tyrants like Dionysius of Syracuse who overthrew the Syracusan democracy and established a terror regime of cruelty and vindictiveness. The point is that you should define forms of government based on how the governing is done, not their outcomes. Especially when invoking the ancient, original definitions.
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>>486950
>IP theft
Spookiest spook that ever spooked.
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▶ No.486965

>>486950
>That's not true at all. The average soviet citizen waited decades for housing and automobiles while party members got the best houses and cars right away.
You are overstating your case a little, the delays weren't that bad. However you are not entirely wrong the soviet system didn't do particularly well for consumer items. You definitely can't organize the production of consumer goods like heavy industry. You are entirely wrong about Soviet housing tho, that was a massive success. Capitalist countries that had a wealth and development level comparable to the Soviet system had over 50% of their population living in slums. The Soviet apparent blocks were small and the massive cement housing units were dull and dreary, but they had reliable electricity, heating, fresh water, plumbing and some degree of personal space. Slums didn't have that and mostly don't to this day.

>lol that's the lefty equivalent of believing Hitler was
What the ? Oh i get it, Hitler must be compared to Stalin. It's ideologically mandatory, no matter how nonsensical.

>It's the only way to do it if you think about it. Giving the MoP directly to the people just means nobody will work and the project will not even get off the ground. Having an ultra-authoritarian state turn the citizens into slave laborers is the only way to get any productivity at all after private property has been abolished.
<Public sector economy is slavery
Now you're just trolling.
It is somewhat true that the Soviets never reached the communist goal of organizing the economy without wage-labor, but that isn't slavery. Your grasp on economic relations is dogshit.

>Inequality between worthless peasants perhaps but not inequality between the worthless peasants and the people running the state. That is the wrong metric to fetishize anyway. You would prefer that everyone has a bicycle rather than have a Mustang and let your neighbor have a Ferrari?
It's true that Soviet cars were boring and less sophisticated, but the Soviets had amazing public transport. I'm not convinced this difference was caused by economic ideology. Russia is geographically enormous and maintaining a nice road system that would have genePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>486950
>Only after they scraped communism and allowed private property again.
They allowed capitalist elements because bribing western capitalism by letting it exploit Chinese workers for a few decades was preferable to fighting off imperial invasions.

>Even then most of china's "success" is down to slave labor
Labor conditions in china were bad but it's improving. Labor conditions in the west have been better but it's deteriorating.

>IP theft
"Intellectual property" is nothing more that monopoly privileges. All the neo-liberal economists that went to China in the 70s to proselytize the free market, guess what, the Chinese took them by their word. >>486952 is correct.

>and the same short sighted fiat currency manipulation that is fucking over the west
I think it's true that China does have the ability to controle the exchange rate of their currency, and they very likely do use it, probably to keep the prices of their exports stable. However that doesn't compare to what the US has done with it's controle over the world reserve currency.
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▶ No.486967

>>486951
>That was exactly the point of the sentence you're responding to. Like democracy, autocratic rulers were sometimes capable of doing nice things for their demos. Michael Hudson points out in his recent book The Collapse of Antiquity that many of the Greek tyrants of the 7th century where dissident aristocrats who exploited anger against the nobility to seize power, and then instated populist reforms which would later pave the way for the development of democracies. Alternatively, you could have despotic tyrants like Dionysius of Syracuse who overthrew the Syracusan democracy and established a terror regime of cruelty and vindictiveness. The point is that you should define forms of government based on how the governing is done, not their outcomes.
Maybe i'm being extra dense, but isn't the dissident aristocrats seizing power to pave the way for democracy, a desirable outcome ?
I guess what i'm saying here is that i don't understand how you distinguish
<how the governing is done
from
<their outcomes.

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▶ No.481775[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Who are you voting for, anon?

So far, the top candidates are:
Jill Stein (Green)
Cornel West (Independent)
Claudia De la Cruz (Party for Socialism and Liberation)
Joseph Kishore (Socialist Equality Party)
and now "Based Chase" Oliver (Libertarian)

and then there are some unserious candidates nobody likes.
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>>485931
This author makes a lot of dogmatic assertions without arguments to justify them and I couldn't take her seriously after she brought up "misogyny".
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Trump announces Massad Boulos as adviser on Arab and Middle Eastern affairs

US President-elect Donald Trump says Lebanese American businessman Massad Boulos will serve as a senior adviser.

During Trump’s election campaign, Boulos repeatedly met with Arab American and Muslim leaders.

Boulos is also the father-in-law of Trump’s daughter Tiffany.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/12/1/live-aid-workers-among-45-killed-by-israel-in-gaza-as-hamas-in-truce-talks
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https://twitter.com/CornelWest/status/1879645785328844932
Statement from Cornel West on the ceasefire
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>>486939
Does anyone still pay attention to this clown?
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>>486941
… It's a good statement. I watched it.

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Thread for news, books, info, etc. about Cuba.
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▶ No.486890>>486897

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First things first, the White House just rescinded the "state sponsor of terrorism" designation for Cuba, admitting that Cuba hasn't actually sponsored any terrorism, and I didn't want to make an entire thread just for this one item.
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▶ No.486895>>486897

How's that re-legitimization of private property working out for Cuba lately?
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▶ No.486897>>486910

>>486890
That's great. I guess the terror-list is now a slightly less ridicules politicized contrivance.

>>486895
>How's that re-legitimization of private property working out
It's not, since the US tightened the blockade-screw.
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▶ No.486910>>486921

>>486897
>It's not, since the US tightened the blockade-screw.
Why can't they trade with China?
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▶ No.486921

>>486910
>Why can't they trade with China?
I'm not sure that they aren't. However Cuba is a tiny Island with a tiny economy, it's probably rarely worth it for the Chinese mega container ships to make the detour. It probably would be cheaper to send stuff from the US by Airplane.

I think Cuba is trading with Russia tho. The Russians are also rumored to have parked a attack submarine in Cuba.

Cuba joining BRICS might enable them to trade more easily, maybe that fixes administrative hurdles.

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<In a letter to the editor of Scotland's Sunday Herald, Dawkins argues that the time has come to lay this spectre to rest. Dawkins writes that though no one
wants to be seen to be in agreement with Hitler on any particular, "if you can breed cattle for milk yield, horses for running speed, and dogs for herding skill,
why on Earth should it be impossible to breed humans for mathematical, musical or athletic ability?"
<"I wonder whether, some 60 years after Hitler's death, we might at least venture to ask what the moral difference is between breeding for musical ability and
forcing a child to take music lessons. Or why it is acceptable to train fast runners and high jumpers but not to breed them," Dawkins wrote Sunday.
Breeding humans for PEAK PERFORMANCE would be a good thing imo. Too bad it'll happen only in a technologically advanced communal society with
polyamorous kinship, which could materialize in the near future.

I don't know what's the issue, just don't let literal retards or people with disabilities
that can be passed down to have kids

literally who cares? there's no real argument against eugenics, not even moral arguments work that well, it's a win win situation

it would interfere with the bodily autonomy of the parent/s what do we do?
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>>486775
>A lot of people seem to think that knowing how to solve advanced algebra equations without a calculator is more important than learning how to do basic home reapir.
Most of the blame for that goes towards industry that pushed for a throw-away culture. We could go back to repair culture, but you have to bully the industry to make stuff that can be fixed.

>Ive been saying that our popular culture plateaued in the mid-late 1980s.
>The technology, fashion, music, and media graphics.
Yeah that's probably caused by neoliberal economics. Everything had to go through the comercialism funnel, and new ideas rarely make it past that. Also the increasing rate of exploitation meant that people have less time and are more exhausted which isn't helping creativity.
Whether that also explaines stagnation in the "warbiz" I don't really know.

>Wrong. What is happening is the other way around.
I guess that's somewhat true, but if we invested into brain-science maybe we could figure out how to cure what ever brain-damage causes the neocons to drive towards human extinction through war. In that case scientific advances would lead to less militarism.
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>>486783
>I guess that's somewhat true, but if we invested into brain-science maybe we could figure out how to cure what ever brain-damage causes the neocons to drive towards human extinction through war. In that case scientific advances would lead to less militarism

Why do people think moral compasses are neurocognitively created?
Morality isn't something that's genetic. It's a transcendent force.

But,if you want my guess, methinks some of them are influenced by demonic entities.
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>>486784
>Why do people think moral compasses are neurocognitively created?
>Morality isn't something that's genetic. It's a transcendent force.
I'm setting the bar quite a bit lower than a "moral compass" , not trying to make your own species go extinct that's a reasonable ask.

The neocons baiting nuclear war, that's a behavior, like learning the guitar or reading a book are also behaviors. The brain causes behaviors. I have no idea what's causing neocon brains to malfunction. I'm quite puzzled why you jump to the conclusion it would be genetic, it doesn't seem very likely that evolution would select for "deliberate self-extinction genes".

Anyway i didn't intent for this to be entirely serious, i don't really expect anybody to medicate neocons away. Maybe people eventually grow tired of all the bullshit and they get thrown into a lava pit.

>But,if you want my guess, methinks some of them are influenced by demonic entities.
And the demonic entities are what ? Think tanks that come up with these schemes ?
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▶ No.486812>>486815

>>486628
>All he has done is stoke among the public needless hostility against biologists.

Maybe If your folks degree aren't the most useless among the STEM fields people would be less hostile toward your people
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▶ No.486815

>>486812
Curious how you came to that conclusion anon.

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▶ No.486695[Reply]

It's coming out that Matthew Livelsberger, the guy who exploded a Tesla in Las Vegas, was a special forces operations director & intelligence manager. Shamsud Din Jabbar did a car attack on the same day, but in New Orleans, which killed 16 people and injured 35, allegedly in connection with ISIS, and according to The Independent, he was allegedly stationed at the same base as Matthew Livelsberger:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/cybertruck-explosion-suspect-matthew-livelsberger-trump-hotel-b2672672.html

What are your thoughts, /leftypol/?
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>>486743
The highlighted part is the bit I found more interesting.
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>>486744
>Maybe we learn from this and categorize back-doors and all similar types of access-schemes as a conspiracy to engage in espionage.
This presumed that "we" are in control of US gov't policy as opposed to a cabal of power-grubbing creeps who are extra paranoid because they are actively committing atrocities which people will want revenge for.
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>>486717
Israel is an american satellite, they aren't pushing shit nor are they trying to "cannibalize" the USA because the moment the USA stop existing or lose their hegemony it's the moment Israel is completely fucked as nobody wants to cover their dumb asses including most jews.
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>>486761
>Israel is an american satellite, they aren't pushing shit nor are they trying to "cannibalize" the USA because the moment the USA stop existing or lose their hegemony it's the moment Israel is completely fucked as nobody wants to cover their dumb asses including most jews.
Eh, it's not like the US can take back all the money and weapons if the US collapses.
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Per CNN:
Body-worn camera footage released Friday shows correctional officers at the Marcy Correctional Facility in upstate New York punching and kicking a handcuffed inmate in a fatal beating that is now under investigation by the New York attorney general.

Robert Brooks was pronounced dead on December 10 at Wynn Hospital in Utica, according to Attorney General Letitia James. Brooks, 43, had been serving a 12-year prison sentence since 2017 for first-degree assault, prison documents show.

CNN has reviewed the footage, parts of which show surrounding officers kicking and punching Brooks, who has his hands handcuffed behind his back in a medical examination room. Brooks’ face appears bloody in some of the footage.

At one point, an officer appears to shove something in Brooks’ mouth before repeatedly hitting him in the face. Another officer then punches Brooks in the groin before using a shoe to strike him.

The New York Attorney General’s Office of Special Investigations previously announced it had opened an investigation into Brooks’ death.

https://archive.is/LrIqT
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/27/us/marcy-correctional-facility-death-robert-brooks/index.html
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▶ No.486591>>486599

How often does this happen without cameras?
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▶ No.486599

>>486591
Probably a lot.
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▶ No.486733

>>486585
death penalty
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▶ No.486734

>>486585
probably more humane for the law to allow for them to kill violent prisoners then torture them like this

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Thread mostly for disasters, but also some good things. What happened this year?
I can think of a few things:
Genocide and regional war in the middle east
Fall of Damascus
War in Ukraine continues to escalate (and US starts arming Azov again)
BioLab explodes in Georgia (AGAIN)
Coup attempt in South Korea
Arrest warrants for Israeli leaders (and US president sued for complicity!)
That CEO got shot
H5N1
Police states in western "democracies" brutally crack down on anti-genocide protests
Leftist coalition wins in France, Macron refuses to acknowledge it (and some shit happens in Germany, too)
Telegram guy arrested by France
Julian Assange let off (on the condition that he plead guilty to journalism)
TikTok ban
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>>486673
I think this was a government psyop. They just needed a good reason to go hard against the liberals
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▶ No.486676>>486693>>486694

>H5N1
>TikTok ban

>considered good things
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▶ No.486680

>>486675
So the man was shot multiple times and almost died out of some sneaky scheme to give himself more power?
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▶ No.486693

>>486676
That wasn't my thinking when I wrote the OP but I guess it's subjective.
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▶ No.486694

>>486676
>OP text:
>Thread mostly for disasters

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▶ No.486540[Reply]

This past year's "beef" between Kendrick Lamar and Drake was nothing more than a contrived plot in order to distract the masses from the genocide in Gaza. Both rappers are signed to labels which are under the umbrella of UMG which is owned by ultra-Zionist Lucian Grainge. Every stream from Kendrick's music is being used to fund Zionist genocide of Palestinians. But this goes far deeper and I'm entirely convinced Kendrick Lamar is being covertly funded and propped up by the CIA.
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Literally who?
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>>486544
when you take pride in how out-of-touch you are

how's the CPUSA?
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▶ No.486546

>>486544
There was a rap beef, Kendrick Lamar vs Drake (also others vs Drake, but mainly Kendrick). It was a sensation and most people would say Kendrick won, but it turns out UMG is owned by a Zionist and stuff.
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▶ No.486547

>>486545
Sorry I don't pay attention to gangster rap, the genre invented to divide and rule poor black neighborhoods.
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▶ No.486550

>>486545
<insane conspiracy theory about two celebrities being used to distract people
>who?
<ugh you're so out of touch

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