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Lets make this a pro and contra

Against censorship:
There has been some research done in capitalist countries that suggests that censorship has a tendency to silence poor people.
The Soviets had some censorship (although not to the degree that anti-communist propaganda says) and it did not prevent the revisionism from spreading.
A part of the Soviet information landscape was, that it was very scientifically accurate and virtually devoid of scams, there were no scammers trying to sell you free-energy devices or miracle-cure juice. Pyramid scams did not exist and nobody was pretending to be a medium that could contact your dead relatives. And the effect was that Soviet society had no mental defenses against bullshitters. People got accustomed to sanitized information and after the Soviet dissolution when the sanatisation disappeared they got duped by ALL the bullshit.

For censorship:
I think that censoring might actually have a singular useful application. Censoring News about terror attacks might be reasonable. Terrorism as a political strategy would be completely ineffective if there was no medium to spread the fear.

Some considerations:
My conclusion is that censorship is largely not worth it.

If you want to extinguish scams, you need to hire "white-hat" scam artists that do scam routines but instead of screwing people over they just cause embarrassment. That should be enough to cultivate mental defenses and dry out the pool of gullibility.
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>no argument
No anon, what you just posted was not an argument. Shall I restate mine? The overwhelming evidence is that people will construct authority-driven belief systems and behavioral patterns out of anything. The recent response to a global pandemic is another good example. In fact, to move closer to home, observe how dogmatic and myopic people become in their tiny Marxist sects or how state capitalist bureaucrats have imposed a fake Marxist orthodoxy on their populations that cannot be questioned. To pretend this is a behavior exclusive to religion will only result in half-baked solutions.


Not sure what to make of this.
You might be trying to blur the lines between state and religion and undermine separation of state and church. Which would also apply to a new type of religion that has no supernatural believes.

>observe how dogmatic and myopic people become in their tiny Marxist sects

>how state capitalist bureaucrats have imposed a fake Marxist orthodoxy on their populations that cannot be questioned.
Right now the threat against freedom of thought comes from neoliberal aligned stuff, like the coalescing "woke" secular religion. Small groups of Marxists or potential but non-existing Marxist state-capitalism, are no threat to anybody. It makes you seem very disingenuous if you try to shift the focus from an actual threat to an hypothetical one.

>To pretend this is a behavior exclusive to religion will only result in half-baked solutions.

Fair enough, we could broaden the scope of what counts as religion.


>Small groups of Marxists or potential but non-existing Marxist state-capitalism, are no threat to anybody.
And that's a bad thing.


>And that's a bad thing.
Sure. I think that the problem is how to overcome imperialism. If you look at Latin America for example there are plenty of successful socialist revolutions as well as also successful social democrat reformers overcoming capitalism locally. So the old question of re-form vs revolution is moot, both work. But when ever somebody does one of these, outside imperial capitalism begins attacking those projects and even if they can survive, they'll get stuck in lower stage socialism because they have to deal with siege conditions.

The other question about attacks on intellectual freedom remain as well. Why did neo-liberalism bring about those secular theocratic tendencies ?


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I am against censorship because I want to know what my enemies are thinking and whether or not my subjects will oppose my rule.

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Nigeriens being Based at the moment. From what I gather they have a military junta going on atm, and told the French and Americans to go fuck themselves. sounds like leftychan that one time amirite

I hope they get to keep their uranium
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>Russia came in to stabilize the government
which R*shia has invested too fucking much into to let it loose. Gotta love that bitch boy ASSad who's privatizing & selling everything he can just like mr. pooteen does for all of his presidency.
Fuck R*shian Empire 2.0: Nuclear Boogaloo.
All my homies hate R*shian Empire 2.0: Nuclear Boogaloo.


>Gotta love that bitch boy ASSad who's privatizing & selling everything he can just like mr. pooteen does for all of his presidency.


I'm not that anon, but there is indeed a story about the Syrian government shrinking because they have trouble paying decent salaries to public-sector employees. Tho it's not a verified story.

If this story checks out, I think it would be very dishonest to construe this as Assad doing privatization for ideological reasons. People allegedly quit the public sector because it doesn't pay enough to live. Syria is having economic trouble because it's under economic-war sanctions.

I think the original plan was the Belt and Road project was supposed to get connected to Syria and that would help get them back on their feet. Not sure what the hold up is. The US still has a military presence in Syria maybe that's the cause.


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<Within a few years, Assad did make reforms — the kind that warmed the cockles of international bankers’ hearts. He “liberalized” the economy by selling off some state enterprises. He allowed businessmen to start up corporations such as cell phone companies that would have been state-owned in the past. Assad cleverly raised the hopes of Western powers that their businesspeople might benefit from the privatization. US and European officials deferred their criticisms of Syria. But it soon became clear that the privatization mainly benefitted Assad family cronies.
<Rami Makhlouf, an Assad cousin, is reportedly the richest man in Syria, worth an estimated $5 billion. He owns a variety of businesses, including tourist hotels, duty-free shops, and luxury department stores.[23] He became infamous for his role as owner of cell phone giant Syriatel. The company grew to control 55 percent of the Syrian market. In the early months of the 2011 uprising, regime opponents accused Makhlouf of financing pro-Assad demonstrations. They later learned that Syriatel was cooperating with the regime to tap activists’ phones. Demonstrators burned Syriatel posters and stomped on SIM cards in protest.[24]
<Some Syrians benefited from the crony capitalism as wealth trickled down to ordinary people. They could buy cell phones and later got connected to the Internet, albeit with close government monitoring of social media. But trickle-down wasn't enough. Most Syrians were angry at the poor state of the economy.

<Long before the uprising, on one sultry evening in Damascus, I met Hamad standing with a gaggle of friends in front of a café. Like many Syrians critical of the government, he declined to use his last name. At age twenty-two, he remained in school to avoid military conscription.

<Hamad told me it was “extremely difficult” to find work. “Most of my friends are not working, and those who are working receive a very low salary. The people who have jobs have connections.”[25]
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>I also just found out about *ssad inviting fucking white supremacists, banned greek fascists & other similar socialists for giving speeches

"other similar socialists" ? Are you trying to conflate fascism with socialism ? usually that kind of ideological BS comes from the Neo-liberal extremism corner.

Anyway, assuming you didn't just make shit up, I wouldn't put much weight on the Syrian governments choices of guest-speakers, they probably had no other criteria besides: invite westerners that speak out against regime-change operations in Syria. It's also very unlikely that Syrians understand western political positions.

>I don't even know if \lebtyboll\ must be considered a petit imperialist propaganda project

Most anti-imperialist leftists lend critical support to Countries like Syria and heads of state like Bashar al-Assad because they don't want to be pseudo-leftist useful idiots for imperialism. There's basically no more political room to criticize the countries that are on the imperial regime-change list. Every criticism of Syria you can make, regardless how justified and correct it is, will be co-opted by the consent manufacturing machine.

Unless you can find away to short circuit the imperial consent manufacturing machine, there is not much use for this. To Syrians you'll never be more than an outsider attempting to meddle in their internal politics. As a westerner you're better off criticizing western governments. I get it this is much harder, because the system always tries to redirect critical voices towards criticizing external stuff. It's ass ineffective for you to criticize the Syrian government, as it is for Syrians to criticize the western governments.

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Four SDF fighters killed in Turkish drone attack in Qamishlo
On Thursday, August 3, at 7:15 pm, a UAV belonging to the Turkish occupation attacked a car carrying six of our commanders and fighters on the way to the village of Harmi Sheikho, Qamishlo city, while they were heading home to spend their monthly vacation, resulting in the martyrdom of four fighters, and two others were wounded,” said the SDF statement on Friday.

Hundreds protest as Lebanon marks 3 years since Beirut blast
Three years on, the probe is virtually at a standstill, leaving survivors still yearning for answers. Protesters, many of them wearing black and carrying photographs of the victims, marched towards the port shouting slogans including: "We will not forget". Some protesters waved a Lebanese flag covered in blood-like red paint while others carried an enormous flag covered in a written pledge to keep fighting for justice.

Two Palestinians killed by Israeli army, settlers in West Bank violence
Israeli forces shot and killed a Palestinian teenager during one of their daily pre-dawn raids into the occupied West Bank, before another Palestinian teenager was killed in a separate incident by illegal settlers, according to local media and the Palestinian health ministry. The Palestinian health ministry late on Friday announced the death of Qusai Jamal Maatan, 19, saying he was “shot dead by settlers in the village of Burqa”, east of Ramallah.

Ethiopia’s declaring a state of emergency in its Amhara region as local fighters clash with military
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The US south doing what they usually do


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>Campaigners demand end to persecution of Ukrainian peace activist

>Mr Sheliazhenko issued a statement detailing Thursday’s raid on his home by people describing themselves as members of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU). He said that “unknown people started breaking in the door to my apartment” in the early hours. After failing to show proper identification, other than that they were from the SBU, the intruders searched Mr Sheliazhenko and his home, but “nothing even remotely similar to evidence of justification of Russian aggression or any other criminal actions of mine was found,” he said.

Persecuting peace activists
Absolutely egregious.


>Purdue asks Supreme Court not to block opioid settlement during US appeal
Oxycontin maker Purdue Pharma on Friday asked the U.S. Supreme Court to reject the U.S. Department of Justice's request to delay its multi-billion-dollar bankruptcy settlement resolving thousands of lawsuits against it over the opioid epidemic. The department's bankruptcy watchdog last week asked the Supreme Court to pause the settlement, which would shield the company's Sackler family owners from opioid lawsuits in exchange for a $6 billion contribution to a broader settlement with states, local governments and victims of addiction.

The small drug mafia sells heroin to junkies and tries to bribe cops.

The big drug mafia causes a opioid epidemic and seeks to block an opioid settlement.

Same shit, different words.


Technically they're trying to prevent the settlement from being blocked - the settlement lets them off easy.

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Now that this criminal faggot finally got arrested his flocks of incel fans are super butthurt, claiming that GAHWD will avenge daddy who dindu nuffin.
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Simply hilarious.


>>464782 always funny to see him coping LMFAO


Oversocialized faggot is trying to eat his cake and have it too lel.
Most of these "lesbians" somehow only get with other "lesbians" like them, or with women whom nobody would ever touch, except that many of these would be now missing their reproductive organs, rendering moot the whole point of having a sexual relationship, or even having the means to actually enjoy one in the first place.
Tragic, really.


Dawg has the gaze of a shark and a serial killer.

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Just leaving my thoughts after reading interesting chapter on collaborations in modern supply chains.

Tho it's not like I expect anything from nazoid brainlets and dogmoid philosophycels that populate this board. Keep reading your gayzone, fags.
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this thread is boring, fuck you faggots


Where are the chairs?


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The Era of Ultracheap Labor Is Under Threat
>Factories in China and Vietnam are struggling to attract young workers, which is bad news for Western businesses accustomed to offshoring jobs at subsistence-level wages.


Meaningless gibberish in which 'collaboration' is some gnostic black box


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Same shoyze in CIS cuntrees: youngshitsteroids aint even considering working in factories, like, @ all. Even 2-4* of the usual wage payment doesn't help fucking porkoids in their desperate search for a new mass of profit-slaves.
Dog bless this coomin wageslave crisis will force the local capicucks or their substitute to finally start some kind of automatization of the industries.

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>Purity spiraling

Purity spiraling involves creating a moral hierarchy in one's mind and placing oneself at the top. It becomes a problem when 'one's opinion' is thought to be the defining quality that supercedes all others. It's miserable and ghey and brings out the most toxic manipulators who nonetheless honestly believe their own bullshit. R/communism and leftypol are clear examples of this.

By arguing with eachother over who's the better person because of (checks notes) opinions about (checks notes) 30+ year old history and far away conflicts [or more comically, calling virtually all of the left 'outright fascists'], we'll stay in a purity spiral and never impact history.

>Long live leftychan


This is a major issue with the whole left tbf


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It's because identity politics has usurped the political discourse to the point that material analysis of history and the economy is non existent. Even so called communists not just get caught up in your baser idpol like op is describing, but, even more so Marxists and such even fall into this again as op described by treating conflicts and history as identity politics and holding the "correct" opinion above all else and trying to LARP and relive these historical senarios rather than applying that historical analysis to our current historical epoch and using that as a lesson and a blue print to lead us into the future as communists and as leftists.

It's sad really. It's mostly the doing of CIA coin-tel pro etc etc.


Why are you spamming necrobumping
This has been a problem on the left before the current "idpol" zeitgeist, and in groups who don't focus on identity and outside of the US and west too


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>By arguing with eachother over who's the better person
*who is wrong & must be physically purged

>or more comically, calling virtually all of the left 'outright fascists'

<If I declare my national-capitalist state & its theoideology as socialist then I'm a leftist!
Yes, virtually all of die lebt are total retards in the likes of the so-called christians who fuse their whole personality with the favourite identity & get a killer group narcissism hatred towards any heretics from the same identity spectrum. Just like faschists, who, should I remind, murder other strains of fascists the same way they murder everybody else from the other identity spectrums.
Well, what is to be expected from people born & raised in a bourg anti-society while simultaneously being dependent on it for their further existence?

>we'll never impact history

Until people will start to annihilate their narcissism & become hardcore critical theorychads who don't have any kind of saint phenomenae they will continue to be subjugated into dead-end sects which exist solely for themselves.

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Well, I've been thinking about this issue, which is quite delicate for obvious reasons, and I think that eugenics is not necessarily a policy of the left or the right, but it depends on how it is applied.

To begin with, it must be said that eugenics is nothing more than favoring certain biological characteristics over others for future generations, it could be said that it is a form of self-managed evolution, it has a bad reputation because when it was applied in countries like the United States or the Nazi Germany what was intended was to exterminate populations considered inferior, however, is this the only form of eugenics?

If 20, 30, 40 or even 100 years from now, genetics were mastered well enough to be able to modify the DNA of an embryo with minimal risk, couldn't this be used to improve our species? Couldn't dozens if not hundreds of genetic diseases be exterminated? Couldn't we design children who grow up to be healthier, stronger and more intelligent? And if that were the case, couldn't a public eugenics program be promoted? that is to say, that couples who are interested can access a genetic modification program to promote these beneficial characteristics in their future child. Wouldn't this be a kind of "socialist eugenics"?

I believe that eventually it is inevitable that genetic modification of embryos will become commonplace, and therefore it is important that the idea of ​​public eugenics be promoted, otherwise only people with enough money to pay for these programs could access to them, and that would eventually lead to a much more evident caste system than the current one, where the rich are practically supermen with advantages that allow them to dominate the labor and scientific market while the poorest classes would be relegated to occupying a position increasingly irrelevant in society.

Anyway, I'd like to discuss the matter because I find it interesting.
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>All this combined to have a strong Eugenic selection pressure resulting in the average autism score being 120 in the West during its peak in the 1850s
yes and these are the results


They used to say that only the barbarians would sacrifice their children to Gaea, for better harvests, to ensure the future of a group, etc. They seem to forget that we are still doing exactly that. It's just that now it is clinical and primarily for our convenience.


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Read a bit more and you'll realize that infanticide was extremely and disturbingly common throughout cultures and history. People would leave babies in the woods, in boxes, under buildings and the sewers. Some had the excuse that what we would now call an disabled child was actually the child of a troll, uncontrollable for humans to raise and deed, and it would be better to leave them in the woods with their kind.
Abortion is much more human than killing a living unwanted baby or leaving it die, because that is the inevitability when people have no other option and can't raise it. Maybe if we lived in a society where people can actually afford to raise them, and where the state would actually bother to help parents to feed and educate them, where having a baby won't put you in debt. But that isn't gonna happen in the US anytime soon.


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live documentary of USA daily life coming in


what is this masterpiece called?

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Hi! Will I fit in here? I'm done with leftypol's moderation shittery. They literally ban anti-(US)democrat posts by now. They have become the cancer that must be removed from the communist movement and I'm ready to participate in this necessary surgery.
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Very educational post.

But we shouldn't assume that troonie cultoids are grounded in reality.

It doesn't matter that the actual policies of Stalin or the DPRK are. If a troonie can imagine something, that's good enough for them.


Report this guy. reactionary propaganda NIGHER SAGE ZAGE ZAGE ADHAS ZGAE NIGHER


I'm also visiting from Leftypol.org and I hope to stay here more often.


Why are you necrobumping a worse thread


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>all this soy
Take the jucheist-spartanist pill.

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Leftypol is a shithole and so are 95 % of the users. Perfect example imo, is this, and the Israel vs Palestine shit, even though that is a bit different. I don't give a damn about this conflict or any conflict, or supporting the people of Ukraine, my first and foremost goal is the revolution, the destruction of capitalism. Also from what I've read there and in the Ukraine thread, their proposed anti-imperialism is just whining about US imperialism, while supporting Russia and China (both capitalist states), this is in fact entirely pro-capitalist.
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>but, that still doesn't mean that it's alright to support wars where workers kill workers in the name of captialist governments. That's insane.
Are you fucking retarded or trolling? what part about hating capitalism and being more for communism than ever confused your snail sized brain.


That doesn't necessarily mean you are against war, dumb ass. You are projecting.


I already said I was indifferent to it you shithead. You put words in my mouth saying I was supporting wars where workers got killed. Go ahead and kill yourself and don't reply, you and everything you say are shit.


And the other one was the same thing as me but it wasn’t a problem for the first two weeks and I didn’t want it anymore because it wasn’t a big problem but


why are you necrobumping

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There is a global fascist conspiracy involving Russia, the U.S. Republican party, and many other players, such as Musk that is engaging in a "memetic engineering" project in an attempt to take over the world by monopolizing the most stupid, hateful minds on the internet, uniting all the most gullible dumbfucks under a single fascist flag.

This image provides key evidence and only the evidence.
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This will be the ethos that will lead humanity into the new era.


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Here are the major influences. Whitehead was particularly influential.

Process-relational metaphysics is leftist metaphysics.


>In other words, process metaphysics facilitates the advancement of human freedom through the improvement of the quality of relationships. Mechanistic materialism destroys human freedom by facilitating deterioration in the quality of relationships. The challenge for Process Philosophy is not just to recognize this danger, but to unify against it.


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This is a fed thred but just in case

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