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▶ No.490487[Reply]>>490488>>490494

Will Isreal nuke all the major cities in the middle east to expand and force God to armegeddon and bring back jesus christ?

or the religion is not real? or would nuking all middle east prove israels, evengelicals, or the arabs god or lack there of?
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▶ No.490488

>>490487
I think they might use nukes if they are invaded and about to lose.
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▶ No.490494

>>490487
>Will Isreal nuke all the major cities in the middle east to expand and force God to armegeddon and bring back jesus christ?
This is a bafflingly idiotic false dichotomy. The idea that the Christian concept of the Second Coming has anything to do with the Zionist nationstate called "Israel" is a lie made up to sell Zionism. Pre-Zionist Christian eschatology didn't hinge anything on a modern colonization project. Even the idea that a "Jewish return" would necessitate genocide was contradicted in scripture - it was a product of Zionists like Herzl (an atheist) and others whose plan was to colonize Palestine and forcibly remove the Christians and Muslims in order to do so. Zionism was gradually inserted into Christianity with increasing frequency during the 20th century, often very cynically, as in the case of the influential "Scofield Reference Bible," which was likely commissioned by a Zionist named Samuel Untermyer.

There are, today, Evangelicals in the US who would insist that this interpretation is the only one, but American Evangelicalism is basically a state religion with a bunch of political functions at this point, and stuff like Christian Zionism and "prosperity gospel" would, at other times, have been viewed as heresy.

On top of that, your question is built on a premise that only God as interpreted by Christian Evangelical Zionists is relevant to this question. I won't ask how old you are, but it's a really astonishingly naive premise. Even religious Jewish Zionists, who apparently exist, don't predicate their belief in God on the Evangelical Zionist narrative that killing all the non-Jews in Palestine will bring Jesus back and then all the non-Christians will burn forever. Jews don't believe Jesus was the messiah, of course religious Jewish Zionists don't predicate their religious or political beliefs on bringing back someone they consider to be a false prophet! They reject the New Testament! It's part of being Jewish. There are some Jewish people who believe Menachem Scheerson was the messiah, there were some Jewish people who believed Sabbatai Zevi was the messiah, but religious Jews in general do not believe Jesus of Nazareth was the messiah, so any conception of a "second coming" is dismissed.

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▶ No.490448[Reply]>>490464>>490475

The Empire is about to murder millions of people, both through the new concentration camp, the already existing ones, and now through taking away what little medical coverage the American poor had. How many millions of people must die before liberals realise this is bigger than Trump, bigger than the two party system, bigger than the endless game "my guy vs their guy" ad infinitum?
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>How many millions of people must die before liberals realise
Does it ever work like that? Liberals don't care until it affects them personally.
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>>490449
sadly true. I can only hope that this effects them enough that it wakes some of them up. I know that sounds fucked up, but at least then something good would come of it.
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▶ No.490464>>490477

>>490448
>How many millions of people must die before liberals realise
Infinity. Libtards are every bit as much the enemy as the most extreme vicious rightoids.
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▶ No.490475

>>490448
It appears that this has also increased the rate of de-dollarisation, as well as lower the dollar's international exchange rate.
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▶ No.490477

>>490464
The key here is that none of this is totally innate.
Literally anyone can come to their senses wrt certain things - Palestine has been a great indicator of that. There are MAGA people (not counting celebrities & politicians, I mean normal MAGA-infected people specifically here) whose beliefs in general are fucking insane who still have been horrified by the foreign wars & genocide, and whose worldview on those specific things falls closer to reality than the MSM narrative does. "Liberals" start to break out of the mind prison when they realize, too, like the "lesser evil" narrative completely fucking collapsed last year to the extent that even libs realized they didn't have a moral highground to try to guilt trip people into "vote blue no matter who" - I'm aware that fucking DNC freaks on twitter still did it, but nobody I knew IRL would, there was a genuine sense of shame. A lot of them are still frustratingly… complacent… but more are becoming aware of the contradictions now, even though they're still trying to keep up with the puppet show. Something I'm realizing is that the truth just fucking hurts a lot of people, actually facing the implications as opposed to merely saying it is difficult even for people whose class interests really aren't served by this sheer brutality.

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▶ No.487075[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Big massive thread for American politics.
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Like clockwork.
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>>490027
Lucy has deep concerns over the gravity of this moment ?
Well earth's gravitational pull remained stable at 9.80665m/s², so not to worry.

I sometimes wonder if relentless contrarianism would work, so if Iran had a nuke there would be lasting peace in the region. Maybe doing the exact opposite of what the neocon/ziofascist-axis demands would actually result in peace. The logic being that they always want war, and peace is the opposite of that.
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US Senator Ted Cruz on Tucker Carlson - "we're bombing Iran"
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>>490179
hot damn, pwned !
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"Paraphrasing a locked account I saw this quote tweeted on, but Trump is shilling his most unpopular piece of legislation of all time, and just bombed Iran (also widely hated). Dem leadership spending any amount of time smearing Zohran right now tells you all you need to know"

- Vice Rear Admiral Felix "Best Girl" Biederman

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▶ No.490362[Reply]>>490385

The Second `French Revolution`

Is increasingly clear there is an intense fight to eliminate nationalism.
Who and why have almost become irrelevant at the face of severity and urgency of the situation.
But my best guest is that the wealthy class coupled with ideological groups like academic communists clique and religious groups (there are intersecting circles as well as opposing circles on other issues. because life is not that simple). They all formed an alliance to suffocate and wipe out nationalism.

Humanity needs to make a choice. Either let it play out and accept the ideals of a unity and try to eradicate the racial differences. Or embrace the differences and take step towards the next level of the nation-sate: ethno-state.


Shall we aspire for popular uprisings to protect the national identities as second 'French Revolution' {actually a Polish Revolution or a Balkan Revolution or a European Spring?} (Since the French is digested anyway by the wealthy global ruling elite) against the global clique of nameless families and individuals who have been pulling the strings behind the scenes for far too long?

(I Dont wanna seem like I like Europeans, I want African states to set colonialism tribunals to punish to EUropeans and demans $trillions in reparations)

{I focus on europe because it is the region getting the most rape from the global ruling class and become their lab for the ethnic experiment. but I guess CHina and India is far from their reach at the moment anyway.}

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▶ No.490364

You know there was already a second French revolution.
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▶ No.490385>>490408

>>490362
>the next level of the nation-sate: ethno-state.
how about a worker-state ?
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▶ No.490408>>490411>>490430

>>490385
>>490385
workers? wake up Neo, its no 1800s-1920s anymore. things change a lot. workers arent so important anymore also businesses evolved way beyond from those times. a person sitting on a desk can create incredible wealth, the workers cannot run business anymore.
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▶ No.490411

>>490408
Nah dude you are being myopic.
Something cannot come from nothing. You will always need labor. Most labor today is done over seas by children though and Chinese. That's what allows you to sit at your cush desk job. I worked a desk job for three years and I couldn't take it. There's more to life than that.
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▶ No.490430

>>490408
>workers arent so important anymore
>a person sitting on a desk can create incredible wealth
Who creates wealth? Workers.
If they know how to create the wealth then they're already operating the business. They're just not receiving the value they create.
This is marxism 101 dumbass. Why are you here peddling infantile pro-capitalist takes?

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▶ No.490412[Reply]>>490415

I wonder why people almost never assassinate the wealthy class and the special interest group leaders.
I dont condone any assassination but Im just saying that that when politicians do things people hate its not like the politicians do things alone.

And damn that country you know which one shouldnt kill Mr K. for nukes.

and killing people wont solve the main systemic problems so never think of it.
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▶ No.490415

>>490412
>I wonder why people almost never assassinate the wealthy class and the special interest group leaders.
That's not true, during feudalism, rulers and their entourage got killed frequently, some of that was intrigue in ruling circles but a significant part was people exercising democracy by lethal means. Many kings and queens got un-elected by "cutting edge technology".

I think that the introduction of bourgeois democracy made systems bend enough to the demands of populations that lethal democracy became uncommon.

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▶ No.483326[Reply]

Football fans and Gregg's connoisseurs from around England are currently rioting following the murder of three schoolchildren by an asylum seeker (Axel Rudakubana) and subsequent non-response by the courts. The riots have only escellated following Starmer's absolutely braindead response & the response of local law enforcement.

Bongs to follow for updates:
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK
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https://x.com/9mm_smg
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>>488214
Labour has been an increasingly Thatcherite party economically since Blair, yeah. My bet is that poster above you is an oblivious sufferer of duopoly brainrot, though, and doesn't realize this & so resorts to strawmen based on the presumption that anyone on the left likes Sir Kid Starver.
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▶ No.488243>>490406

>>488221
>Labour has been an increasingly Thatcherite party economically since Blair
Yeah Blair getting into Labor, kinda wrecked it. I think the neolibs think in terms of power-brokers, meaning they seek out positions in organizations and society at large in order to sell out. I bet you they think that is what everybody is doing. From the perspective of social democrats this was hostile infiltration.

I sometimes wonder if the left could have done something like this too. Except, you know, the other way around. You know in the 70s when neo-liberalism began to spread the rot. To be fair i don't really have a clue how to invert the power-broaker dynamic.
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▶ No.490406

>>488214
UK left is completely turbo pozzed LGBT and open borders cargo cult.
Left parties will never get off the ground here because there is no "big tent" they are working towards to bring across a standard working class agenda, so you will just get left parties that are extreme in all the wrong ways and follow whatever shitlib pozzed zeitgeist they get fed from largely US dominated Social Media.
This is why even most Green parties don't even focus on Environmental or Industrial/Agricultural policy anymore, because they got hijacked by every quack "left adjacent" group out there to push their personal agendas, and the only "cross faction" difference they need to cover, is how much "girldick" should you be forced to suck because being declared a real leftist.
>>488243
>I sometimes wonder if the left could have done something like this too.
Yes if the Western left was actually competent and had any basis in normal working class people at all. No in reality, because the Western Left is nothing more than a cargo cult of quack losers and freaks.
Honestly Corbyn when he played the game, and focused only on bread and butter working class economic issues with broad appeal, literally hit 45% in UK polling with the Tories sitting on 37%. Do you think the modern British left would accept Corbyn's popular policies like massively strengthening police powers and hiring 40k more police? Of fucking course not.
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▶ No.490407

>>488221
>My bet is that poster above you is an oblivious sufferer of duopoly brainrot
Or it was sarcasm so advanced that a galaxybrain such as yourself couldn't detect it.

>Labour has been an increasingly Thatcherite party economically since Blair
Is that why taxes are higher than ever, public spending is higher than ever, and millionaires are fleeing the country in record numbers?
https://londondaily.com/over-10-000-millionaires-depart-from-the-uk-in-a-year-amid-changing-financial-landscape

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▶ No.457563[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Last one is full and the worst thread on leftychan must be contained.

In recent news: Ukies done a successful counteroffensive in Izium, Z gang now in shambles. Biden promises even more money for Ukraine. Putin meets Xi, Erdogan, Modi and others at the SCO summit.


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https://nitter.net/TheHumanFund5
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https://t.me/vorposte

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>>490337
virtue signaling with guns and bombs
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>>490340
I'm thinking more like it's an attempt to force Australia into a geopolitical position it can't back out of, by getting Australians killed by Russian soldiers. Russia has said repeatedly now that it considers foreign soldiers in Ukraine to be legitimate targets.
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▶ No.490342

>>490337
The butchers are running out of sacrificial Ukrainian meat, and are now trying to expand their meat collection operation into western countries. They can't do a draft because that would change the political landscape in the west in such a way that they get executed for treason. So they try to ease their way into normalizing the slaughter with small batches.
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▶ No.490344

>>490341
You think it's a political trip-wire force ?
I doubt it will work.

>Russia has said repeatedly now that it considers foreign soldiers in Ukraine to be legitimate targets.
You are putting it mildly, the Russians treat soldiers from nato countries as priority targets, to be hunted and destroyed with maximum prejudice. It's a nope you're not sticking the nato flag on this hill type of sentiment.

>it's an attempt to force Australia into a geopolitical position it can't back out of, by getting Australians killed
So you think the neocons are trying to exploit the sunken cost fallacy ? And the sunken cost are 100 Aussies ?
Lets ignore the savageness of this calculation for a moment. Idk, the body bags that get send back post haste, have a political dissuasion effect also.
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▶ No.490363

these rich western people do hate russians intensly, they would even support literal nazis for it. or maybe they themselves are nazis.

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▶ No.490283[Reply]>>490284

Who is the most evil man in history and why is it Leon Trotsky?
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▶ No.490284

>>490283
There definitely was a trot to neocon pipeline, so there is that.

To be fair the neocons did more damage to the US empire than the Soviets ever did. Maybe they played 3d Backgammon.
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▶ No.490310

Leon Trotsky was based. Fuck you

By the way, she's literally me fr fr!!!
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjcU4bE6/
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▶ No.490251[Reply]>>490292

Why is the left so fucking censorship/ban happy? Even on leftist forums, .orge and behind closed doors, you basically just cannot have discussion or acknowledge very real issues, because they sometimes are tangentially aligned to right wing narratives. This is also a problem in itself, the idea that the right is ALWAYS WRONG, when they just clearly isn't true, sometimes we are the ones who are spouting bullshit (usually from a place of idealism) and they turn out to be the ones that were acting in good faith.
A good example is Immigration, the left censored debate on this so hard, that it ceded the entire ground to the right. Now you have mass rape gangs, quality of life imploding in high immigrant areas, ethnic enclaves, increasing crime, lowered civicism and the left is still going "IF YOU DON'T WANT JASMINE SCENTED SEX WITH IMMIGRANTS YOU ARE A NAZI" while the far-right literally overtake the Establishment in polling because they actually address working class concerns.
You can see this as well with the rise of genuine antisemitism, Left censored the debate on Jews so hard, that when it turns out, shock horror, duplicitous religious psychopaths, are in fact, duplicitious religious psychopaths in a way everyone can BRAZENLY SEE, then it's the far-right who are the only ones with a narrative. Despite the fact, Christians and Muslims are also duplicitous religious psychopaths and push their bad faith bullshit as well, but because the far-right control the narrative because they never self-censored, they dominate the debate.
It's just wild to me, that Leftists, on sites like .orge, can't even engage in good faith debate, without crying for banhammer. They do realize that Banhammers don't actually exist in real life right?
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▶ No.490292>>490293

>>490251
I dunno but it's very frustrating for me as a free speech absolutist on the left, I feel like there is no community for me on the internet. Right wingers are retarded on most issues so even if you're not censored you will be mobbed by pure idiocy if you talk about stuff like economics, but left wing communities are like a minefield where any small transgression against one of their sacred cows will end up with you expelled entirely.
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▶ No.490293

>>490292
There's not such thing as a free speech "absolutist", don't fall into that propaganda trap. You're either for speech without qualifications or you're not a free speech advocate.
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>>490291
>This topic is controversial in certain marxist spaces because people are very attached to ideas of productivism in marxism.
Marx said that when a mode of production becomes a fetter on the productive forces that's when material forces impose a change in the mode of production. As example he states that feudalism was holding back industrial productive forces that's ultimately the reason why it was changed into capitalism (and in some places into a soviet style industrial system).
You would have a very hard time arguing that productivism isn't central to marxism. Pay attention that productivism in marxism means that a given amount of labor-time gives you more use-value. Capitalists have a looser definition where they make no distinction between more efficient production processes and simply making people work longer for the same pay. Marxists genuinely consider the latter as lowering productivity, which is the polar opposite of how bourgeois economics sees it.

We have to take into account the physics perspective, specifically statistical mechanics and thermodynamics. That teaches us that configurations of matter that are more effective at maximizing entropy are significantly more likely to exist over those configurations of matter that are worse at entropy-maxing. This is the very reason that life exists at all. If the sun keeps shining at a piece of dirt for long enough, eventually a plant will evolve simply because matter arranged as a plant is better at maxing entropy than matter arranged as bare dirt. (If you care about the physics, atoms jiggle that's called Brownian motion. The jiggling allows atoms to re-arrange at random, the configs that maxes more entropy are more stable, as in less likely to be jiggled into a different config, hence why you end up with the matter-configs that entropy-max real good )

For societies that dynamic holds true. Agrarian societies were displaced by industrial societies because industrial machines were better at maxing entropy. But there is more to this, in nature there are 2 ways of increasing entropy. You can grow trees and deer to increase entropy, but you can also have a big forest-fire. At the level of societies the parrallels are, you can have lots of production or alternatively you can have big wars. In general terms you can increase entropy bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>490295
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If you care about preserving the biosphere, by for example reducing the use of fossil fuels to lower CO² emissions, you have to find a way to displace fossil fuels by going to a method of energy production that makes more energy, (to beat the fossils at entropy-maxing). Nuclear for example could significantly out-compete fossil fuels in terms of how much energy you get, there might be a way to have power-generation eat the plutonium from those nukes, which would shut that box of Pandora's.
90% Renewables + Nuclear isn't hard, with most going to Renewables.
It just requires a smart grid, doing a smart grid, would knock out 50% of energy requirements due to efficiency gains. Through Renewables/Nuclear as well, you knock out the majority of cargo shipping emissions which are used to transport fossil fuels.
Issue is we live in a world where the state has given up to Capitalist logic, so the state doesn't give a shit about electrification of everything and a smart grid. If we had a planned economy, we probably would have largely finished electrification by 2010s and moved onto solving some element of Carbon capture (my suspect this will be done through biohacking plants to make them far more efficient carbon stores)
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▶ No.490297

>>490296
>90% Renewables + Nuclear isn't hard, with most going to Renewables.
I agree with renewables + nuclear is the way to go, but the ratio you suggest is unrealistic. Technically nuclear is renewable too, if you are good enough at nuclear physics. Renewables are excellent for residential and less power intensive sectors of the economy. However for high energy demand industries, it's not suitable. Wind, solar,… capture very dispersed forms of energy, to concentrate all that power to one spot, where a giant industrial machine uses it, you need a giant web of cables. Installing a nuclear power plant is much better for that application.
As for the ratio i think 50/50 green/atomic is probably about right. In the very long run nuclear might become the bigger share because it's got less space constraints, especially if we figure out nuclear fusion.

>It just requires a smart grid, doing a smart grid, would knock out 50% of energy requirements due to efficiency gains.
I don't know what you mean, and i kinda associate the word "smart" with enshitification of electronic gadgets. Something to be avoided. What exactly makes a grid "smart" ? My hunch is that you want to conform energy demand to energy production. Meaning that people have to schedule their energy consumption to happen when the sun shines and the wind blows. People in a society do not behave like members of a orchestra or a dance choreography, they are not going submit to that level of discipline. If you want my advice go for energy storage if possible. It'll also increase grid stability and it will reduce the time pressure on maintenance work.

If you think that efficiency gains reduce power demand, you are wrong, that is demonstrably incorrect. Efficiency gains are obviously nice and very desirable, however they are not a substitute for energy.

>Through Renewables/Nuclear as well, you knock out the majority of cargo shipping emissions which are used to transport fossil fuels.
Most oil and gas gets transported through pipelines. But you could do cargoships with nuclear reactors or sails (or the more efficient rotor-sails, which are spinning tubes instead of big sheets of fabric). I will admit that nuclear reactors would have to be idiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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this fuckin piece of shit this no good fuckin walking genocidal goiter with hair & teeth
if this piece of shit showed up in my neighborhood I'd shove him in a garbage pail and throw it off the nearest cliff
I'm embarrassed to have even saved his pic for this thread I'm gonna immediately delete it after I post this

What do you think of him, /leftypol/?
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>>489702
This is just a song and dance that Israel does with its allies. The Israeli government is well aware that it breaks international law, some ministers even flex blatant violations as being a good thing.
But they're also aware that support at home is important for their allies and they need to provide a smokescreen to shield themselves from scrutiny too. Western media outlets only need a 'both sides' narrative to exist, and they'll naturally use it to distract from the more important narrative, which would be about what Israel is currently doing. Watch the BBC right now and you'll see exactly this.

So every time western allies send them a letter saying "stop pls this is horrible", they reply in kind with inflammatory language. This helps to create the impression that pressure is actually being created here.
In reality, the real support that we give Israel: diplomatic cover, military intelligence, arms supplies- continues unabated, and we do nothing to actually stop, or even speak against the genocide. This is how the relationship has to work when Israel is an apartheid colonial state. But the phrase the government is deploying- "risk of breaking international law" shows the real story here. There is a concerted effort to shield Israel from legal judgement and the natural material action that would have to follow.
Anyone actually convinced by these weasel words is being an absolute idiot. The government knows exactly what it's doing and any objective analysis of how badly mismatched its language is with its actions shows that. We do not use the phrase "risk" when it comes to Russia- there could not possibly be a more blatant double standard, but our media entertains this paradigm uncritically.
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>>489716
This is quite a toon.
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▶ No.490275

>>489716
never seen something so based in my entire life

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