/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>485607
First of all in my opinion Reddit is the worst website on the internet. My account there is 14 years old at this point and idk if that site was ever good but I certainly had fun there when I first joined. But as the feds and their shill bots and content administrators took over it became clear that the website has one basic strategy: to make you believe that everyone thinks a certain way or believes a certain thing (usually some sort of state department line, like siding with Ukraine and Russia/China bad). The job is to firmly set the goalposts for what is acceptable to think. Anything within that can be endlessly debated. Anything outside is completely ignored, deleted or down-voted to the bottom.

Reddit accomplishes this by creating the illusion that there is a consensus of opinions where there isn't by using shill accounts to spread their message in the comments, using bots to upvote their message and anyone supporting it, and also tactfully creating relevant-looking content that is really propaganda and putting into every popular subreddit, even irrelevant meme ones. The problem is they try to make it look organic and unless you were on the website before this was thought of or technologically possible, you might not actually understand the scale of it: on any contentious issue, you can safely assume that there are no real posters in the comments. It's dead internet.

Anyways I'm saying all of this to you OP because what you saw might be just that: feds gaslighting you into thinking that millenials hate genz, and creating yet another divide in the population.

But the smug liberal type that sides with the current establishment and the neoliberal capitalist system as a whole certainly exists in real life too. There are people who are really snakes that talk about progressive issues but do not want any real change. In fact they actively wreck movements and at the very least stand by and watch the government commit atrocities without lifting a finger against it all while claiming to care about people of color, women and lgbtq people.

There are people that are gaslighting arabs saying "we supported you on the gaza issue and you didn't vote for the democrats, now i hope gaza burns to the ground". These are the same people that say they want to help black people but do not actually think of them as equal human beings.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>485617
>Dude, cringe tribalism you partook in as an adolescent isn't an identity, it's an anecdote.

Not everything is cringey teenage fads though.

>Seriously he can be an adult and a skater wear shoes that have wheels. That's perfectly fine. Don't sour his hobby by making up belittlement-words.

Stop fwisting my words. Adults being skaters hasnothing to do with wgat Im saing.
Im saying that the cringey shit we accuse teens of doing was created and promoted by adults

>>485618
Shilkbots may be a aprt of it, vut this feels genuinely organic even if its brainwashed.

Alot of the hatred for Gen Z on Reddit is the same nasty contempt that I see on other site, especialy imageboard.

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>>485621
Reddit is just very, very hateful. More so than 4chan. Just keep that in mind.

>>485622
Nah. Reddit for all its faults couldnt touch 4chan in toxicity.

But both sites are obnoxiously self-isolative and harbor main character syndrome for the Millennial persuasion.
Both sites were made by Millennials, after all.

Both the SJWs and alt-right are Millennial/Gen X shenanigans that went too far.

Reddit is over-promoting the "brain development" theory as a infantilising put down against teenagers

There's posts claiming teens cannot do any research or have political preference etc

Progressives preach about equality but deny it to the ones who need it most: young people.


Irony is the same paternalistic contempt they show the young is the exact same that reactionaries use to punish young people for being progressive.

And the usual whining about muh TikTok from both sides yet Millennials also use it

>>485575
Stein is well over 700k now, and that's not counting write-ins in new york

Can't believe hundreds of thousands of Kennedycucks voted for that grifter after he ended his campaign and bowed out of the election like a good boy.

>>485587
He was rewarded too with a cabinet position on the fucking FDA

>>485579
>Are you saying he wasn't insane enough for the anarcho-capitards in the party?
He supported lockdowns, mask mandates, vax mandates, carbon tax, open borders, transitioning children and everybody who disagrees with him is a racist bigot transphobe nazi. He's basically a mainstream liberal who read an economics book.

>>485593
>He was rewarded too with a cabinet position on the fucking FDA
Isn't that a good thing? Somebody will start holding these amoral profit maximizing corporations accountable instead of just rubber stamping their sketchy drugs.

>>485602
That's interesting, I didn't get a sense of any of that stuff during debates.

>>484340
Still not getting it.

>>484343
Wooshed over my head as well

>>484340
pls explain context

>>484343
>>484345
read bordiga

>>485600
Done. Still don't get it.

>>471154
still don't really believe that everyone was on it, but i guess that's really hard to even prove. i would have mostly seen true believers at the time but i also grew up in a sheltered environment. although, i've even seen true believers of the ukraine narrative.

>It is a necessity of the fake left to believe nothing ever changes until their thought leaders have declared it so, and it only changes as needed. That is why the left is arrested in time, always religating the past. Anyone operating in the 21st century is purged and silenced. So eugenics marches on…
agree with this though.

>>471159
The propaganda works well on those who were children or young teens at the time of the Iraq War. Those old enough to fight in it knew it was bullshit. Literally no one bought the "we were in danger" story, and you were allowed to say Bush's story was full of shit. It was encouraged.
Why was that? Because mass support didn't matter, and the sense that democracy didn't matter was more valuable than any popular support for the present war. Fear and terror created an impression worth more for them than love.

>>471162
Idk about that

>>470041
It's entirely about crazy "transbians" who were taught to hate men, so the only way out is to larp as a woman. Once they realize That is why it is worded in such a stupid way. These people are not real trans women, they just see it as a way to get out of their supposed male privilege. Real trans people don't even want others to know they are trans, they want to look like the opposite sex they were born as close as possible. All transbians and these lunatics who believe we should have dozens if not hundreds of genders have only damaged the image of actual trans people. Trans people don't want a spotlight, they just want to take their hormones and get their surgeries in peace so they can pass as the opposite sex they were born as and not be treated any differently than cis people. Generally speaking if you've never seriously thought about getting bottom surgery as a trans person, I don't think you are trans.
>>470044
You are right. They are the enemy and its not just about trans issues. It's them having enormous privileges over men. They win the vast majority of custody battles (even though the crime rate for children under single moms vs single dads is astronomically higher), men still have to pay for child support even if they have 50% custody of the child, women can get an abortion without the consent of the father but the father can't have a financial abortion if she wants to keep the child, married women who divorce always gain from it because they always marry up in the socioeconomic ladder and never down (so 50/50 wealth split just fucks over the man), and to top it off women are going after men with cohabitation laws so even if they aren't married, she can steal his shit if they break up. I mean, I could keep going but that's the jist of it. Cis women are entitled sacks of shit who want the world but do not want to do the work. They offer nothing to the man and expect so much from them. Which is exactly why I want to marry a trans woman who either has bottom surgery or wants it (I'd actually help pay for it if I loved her enough).

>>470041
Gender Dysphoria is an incredibly rare disorder, we're talking like, probably 1 in 100,000 level disorder. What has happened is that after the win of Gay Marraige, the Gay NGO sector needed to whip up a new cause to justify their existence (and billions in funding) and started massively pushing Transgenderism. This paired with around the same time Millennial Tumblrites finally graduating University and entering middle management jobs, created massive Trans Zeitgeist that now exists.
The vast majority of Trans people, I would say well over 99%, do not have Gender Dysphoria, but have several other disorders, namely, Borderline Personality Disorder, Autism and Disordered Autogynophelia.
BPD is Unstable Narcissistic Sociopathy where the Narcissist has an incredibly unstable and dysphoric personality and sense of self. This leads to constant identity shifting and various dysphorias. The strong Narcissistic and Sociopathic elements of BPD, also mean that BPD's will generally always engage in massive amounts of gaslighting, emotional and social manipulation, and virtuous Victimhood. An inability to form a true self identity or see ones self means BPDs are also vulnerable to "pop" disorders and dysphoria. (in fact, the view of DID by a large portion of psychologists and psychs is just aspect of BPD made up by Borderlines themselves)
Autism is Autism, everyone knows this, a lesser known aspect of Autism is often body dysphoria. Autists often feel uncomfortable in their own bodies and disconnected from reality. This makes them vulnerable to "pop" dysphoric conditions.
Autogynophelia are coomers who view Women as lesser beings, and have a humiliation fetish, so the ultimate pleasure is being seen as a woman. This is why a huge portion of Troonies are Lolitas or engage in Bimbofication. (Troonies try to pretend this is just them making up for "lost time", but it's a lie, it's AGP based degredation).
Why is this an issue for the left? Having a bunch of Narcissistic, control freak delusional sociopaths in power, who literally demand you accept their delusions and contradictory, incoherent metaphysical anti-materialist woo or you are a fascist is already as huge issue as we've seen Troonies literally colonize almost every leftist space in the West, both online and IRL, and then engage in massive gaslighting campaigns, virtue signalling, purges Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Is this gonna be one of those real rallies or one of those fed rallies organized to favor wreckers?

>>485546
I can't find anything about this. Is this something you came up with?

>>485478
Is there data from 2020 onwards?

>>485501
There is but I've had a hard time finding it in graph form like this.

>>485476
>I mean, any popular vote victory by definition requires a larger portion of the working class to vote for you than for your opposition.

Saddam Hussein would win "elections" with 99% of the vote. Election results have more to do with the choices available than support per se, especially when Trump consistently polls at incredibly low levels of popularity.

>>485508
>Trump consistently polls at incredibly low levels of popularity.
Oh really, the media that has been hysterically anti-Trump for the past 8 years told you that the guy they hate more than Hitler is polling badly? Well they have no reason to lie.

Actually existing pure ideology

>>480674
I watched all four Matrix movies.

People do treat the Matrix metaphor as a more literal thing than anything.

>>477627
Why did musk buy twitter? Because the smart people he has employed advised him to do so.

>>477627
>Basically what I'm asking is do they have ideology of their own that they are unconsciously committed to, or are they blatantly just lying when they talk about things like creating jobs?


As a class they have class consciousness and powerful organizational structures in place to maintain their power. As individuals they are often retarded and out of touch even with the scope of their own power. Some of them really do believe they're job creators and not job gatekeepers. Some of them really do believe they should earn a billion dollars per second for "taking the risk" of owning the legal titles to stuff that other people manage and labor upon for them.

>>484984
I'm increasingly believing that this is the case. That they act in their class interests because of their material conditions, but on an individual level they're not smart enough to really see themselves for what they are: instead they genuinely believe that they're the good guys and deserve their position.

>>477627
>how red pilled are the rich
only instrumentalists believe in ruling ideology/systems. The reality is that they live in tiny bubbles being flung around by the iron laws of capitalism. some are smart some are insanely stupid. The vast majority tho, are extremely incompetent given the fact they have no command over capitalism.

>>480679
Bringing sexual shit into discussions about people's material conditions, work and exploitation of the MAJORITY of people in the world should be seen for what it is: someone that is a sex-obsessed pervert bringing their particular fetishes into an economics discussion.

>>485499
The pride flag being the flag of modern liberalism is bizarre honestly, considering it's literally a sex flag.
Why Liberals don't see this, or how having sex clowns twerk in front of children while "reading" stories is honestly bonkers to me. Liberals seemingly are trying to make the entirety of society coomers or some shit.

How exactly did .org/8ch Leftypol go from anti-Idpol, Materialist, extremely critical of shitlib politics to literally Idpol/Troon central where you literally can't even discuss major topics like immigration or culture unless it's felating the most shitlib of shitlib positions? Like you dare even just repeat Chinese or Soviet policy on the topic and ban "/pol/".
On 8ch, I remember the Rojava split, but I always remember being being fanatically anti-Idpol. Hell there was even a Dugin worshipping Nazbol contingent, but now it's just troon shitlibs who spam half the threads with sissyporn.

>>485516
Liberals already have a soxiety full of coomers due to "rape culture".

>>480629
I don't really feel a need to police people's private life. The Left has way more important things to deal with. Whether you "agree" with it or not, it's all kind of pointless to waste political and ideological capital on this issue. Privately I feel like 99% of trans people are just AGP incels trying to reset their life on an easier difficulty mode. But it's also no skin off my back as long as they support the overthrow of capitalism and the worker's revolution.

The solution is always the same. Mass organization.
The Rs and Ds are dumb, nobody needs them. The problem is corporate power. The solution people are looking for is help, and the Rs and Ds have a consensus: help the corporations, offer little of value to everyone else. This is the opening.

The average voter isn't evil. The average non-voter isn't evil either. We get the masses and it won't matter if there are a few political guys among the elites who still identify with the elites' parties, the warmongering parties; they are losing the public every day, and when we accept that their loss is our gain, we will have more than enough power to destroy the few remaining Rs and Ds who will be left over.

>>485320
>The average voter isn't evil.

Bold statement

likely wrong

What the Republicans are doing to themselves now is destroying the party - they're getting rid of the facade and have all but said so. In a few days I believe I will be vindicated yet again.

>>485317
I think the Libertarian Party will implode before the Republicans. Numerous state LP parties voted to dissolve themselves over the last few years.

A lot of the rank and file LP officials were disgusted with people even more wacko then them who glommed onto the party from 2012-2016

think the only reason the LP is still around is the national LP party signaled readiness to sue local LP parties who dissolve without national approval

>>485331
>Numerous state LP parties voted to dissolve themselves over the last few years.
The context you're missing is that there was a "right-wing" anti-woke takeover of the party in 2022. That's what the fighting was about. The woke section of the party didn't give up and managed to install their vaxxed & gay presidential candidate for 2024 but the anti-woke section still holds the party chair position.

>I think the Libertarian Party will implode before the Republicans.
Either one side wins or they keep fighting. The party isn't going anywhere either way. The reason for the fighting is because there are more libertarians then ever as a result of the fascist government covid policies.

Dick Cheney has killed way more people than David Duke, and he endorsed Harris and Harris liked it. Also Liz, too, pictured here.

The real hilarious thing about the David Duke endorsement, which has, amazingly, gone totally over the heads of liberals, is that a former KKK leader just endorsed a Jewish woman's campaign which has a black Muslim as VP. You people hate Jill Stein so much that you have no idea how funny that is. He may as well have just endorsed Jesse Jackson, it's comedy gold, and you're so deranged that you don't get the joke.

>>484991
there's no way you are a real person

>>484992
Real person, lived through the Bush years. A Dick Cheney endorsement is not a compliment. Cheney was at the forefront of advocating torture, pushing for two disastrous foreign wars, suppressing opposition to those wars, and shredding the constitution in the hugest expansion of mass surveillance and forced disappearances in American history. The Bush era ended with all of that + the worst recession since the Great Depression.
A David Duke endorsement isn't a compliment either, which is why Stein rejects it - although it's still funny as fuck. Dick Cheney is easily as hated in America as David Duke, but Harris acts like it's a badge of honor to be endorsed by a guy who even conservatives despise at this point.

All this proves is that Kamala supporters are to the right of David Duke

>>485345
+ Harris literally just got endorsed by Richard Spencer lol