/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>486398
>US has already said that Russia using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine would not trigger a nuclear response or war.
That's a fucking stupid thing for any party to say.
"Yeah, you can wipe out an entire city in a single blast, but we draw the line at causing fall out!"

>>486406
If you think the US will start a nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine, I have a bridge to sell you.

>>486408
Not op. But if the ruskies are retarded enough to actually use a nuke in modern warfare. ESPECIALLY against a country they should have been able to trample without it. It'll just make them look even weaker than they already do, and it will unilaterally make every eurofag, and americunt band together to decry Russia's frozen shithole of a country.

It'd also probably be the selling point of European countries building up their own nuclear arsenal. And if you think the trade embargo's etc are rough now. Boy howdy would they ever ramp up.

But hey! Just nuke the embarrassment of a failed blitzkrieg away right?

>>486408
>That's a fucking stupid thing
>"Yeah, you can wipe out an entire city in a single blast, but we draw the line at causing fall out!"
I agree its a stupidyes that's a noun now. But there is a plausible logic behind this line of thinking. Imagine there's people who fancy installing a nuclear protection racket. They would want the ability to nuke a city that didn't pay protection money without affecting others that did pay. They would be really annoyed that nukes have so many side effects that render them useless for this purpose.

>>486408
>If you think the US will start a nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine, I have a bridge to sell you.
True the US doesn't care about Ukraine, they want to bully Russia into submission. There are some nutcases with fantasies about winning at a fictional contest they call a "limited nuclear war". Nobody with any sense believes that once the nuke-train leaves the station anybody can put the breaks on it.

>>486410
The hole thing in Ukraine was a proxy war. The Russians won the attrition contest against Nato. They also neutralized sanctions as a weapon that can be used against their economy.

>It'd also probably be the selling point of European countries building up their own nuclear arsenal. And if you think the trade embargo's etc are rough now. Boy howdy would they ever ramp up.
Europeans look at sanctions as suicidal folly if they have any sense. As far as weapons go, nukes are an OK deterrent, but those new "hyper-kinetics" are the better choice imho. You probably can have hundreds or thousands of impactors on a larger inter continental type. It'll be a cheaper way to achieve strategical deterrence without any of the doomsday bullshit. Considering that these likely will just sit there for decades, there's no contamination risk, and the maintenance is easier, just some upkeep for the rocket-motors.

>>486350
He's not wrong though

>>486350
He's not wrong though

>>486344
Bro, are you like upset about the death of that CEO?

>>486379
How did things get this bad? Seriously?

>>486379
They're not upset at the CEO dying they're just pointing out that isolated violence like this won't lead to real revolutionary action.

>>483323
>N-word

Ah yes, the the throwing around of the word that sorta rhymes with anarchism.

That word doesnt really mean what you think it does.

Irony is, intellectual circles are often plagued with the same crimes they accuse the plebians of having.

>>483411
>That word doesnt really mean what you think it does.
A vacuous assertion without an argument supplied.

>>483412
Bruh youre the one making vacuous assumptions.

>>482869
not homophobic or anything, but there is just something really off putting with liberal/hbtq-utopianism.

>Why is the Western left like this? Don't they realise that this shit makes them look like absolute pozzed student larping retards to the majority of the working class?
Always was.

>>485077
>Yeah but the death-fumes probably un-alived several people and lots more animals, so a cover-up seems unlikely.
I mean, that's totally contradictory to what they're saying publicly, so why would it seem unlikely that they'd cover it up? They've absolutely been downplaying it at the EPA and in the media.
Like, the incident in >>485061 hasn't been mentioned at all afaik.

I haven't watched developments closely since the last post ITT, but apparently the local PSL is getting involved:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DDgQA6nuChS/
On Tuesday, Rockdale county commissioners’ outrageous plan to silence and prevent community members and activists from speaking on the #BioLab chemical explosion during public comment at the Board of Commissioners meeting failed.

In the end, following disruptions of the Board’s Chairman by PSL organizers who demanded that there will be no business as usual and that residents be allowed to speak, the commissioners were forced to hear public comments on BioLab.

These politicians who are in the pockets of corporations like BioLab are protecting the criminal executives who put profits over people’s health and lives. But working class people across are getting organized to fight back.

We are demanding that BioLab be held accountable for its crime of poisoning tens of thousands of people at a minimum. The demand is simple: SHUT DOWN BIOLAB! Join us at the next community rally this Saturday, Dec 14, 3PM in Conyers: 901 N Main St NW.

>>486323
>We are demanding that BioLab be held accountable for its crime of poisoning tens of thousands of people at a minimum.
Basic demand but correct.
>The demand is simple: SHUT DOWN BIOLAB!
IMHO this is a bad play, the better play likely is demanding that the thing be converted into a worker cooperative.

The thing likely spewed toxic shit because it was mismanaged, not because it's a fundamentally bad design on a technical level.

The capitalist who owns this likely can't pay for all the damages, so converting it into a cooperative could be part of a deal for dropping some of the damage claims. The workers do not have an incentive to mismanage the plant because they live in the area that would get contaminated, and therefor it'll run smoothly.

A Status Coup video with recent developments, clips from a hearing where East Palestine residents also spoke. Scott Smith says the results of his chemical testing showed the "highest level of dioxins that he has seen."

>>486324
IMO setting goals high is the best approach… although when you consider that "shut down BioLab" is essentially a euphemism for "revoke BioLab's business license," it sounds like a pretty modest proposal. I kind of wonder how easy it will be to even clean the plant up at this point, too, with this many instances. Working with chlorine isn't very safe in general, is it easy to clean a contaminated plant enough to maintain even a baseline level of safety after repeated fires? Idk.

>>486325
>I kind of wonder how easy it will be to even clean the plant up at this point, too, with this many instances. Working with chlorine isn't very safe in general, is it easy to clean a contaminated plant enough to maintain even a baseline level of safety after repeated fires? Idk.
If the hole thing is a write-off, why are they pushing back against political pressure ?

>>486152
>But I just find nuclear annihilation so perplexing. Do they really think this is all make believe? Do they really think they're gonna survive
During the cold war, on the extreme end of thinking, there were some rich people who thought that the solution to all this "nuclear trouble" was to build bunkers for them as well as their servants and then they would set off nuclear war on purpose. They and their descendants would remain in the bunkers for a few hundred years until the conditions on the surface had regenerated. After that they would come out and the earth would be theirs.

Even in that bonkers scenario where they mass-murder nearly all of humanity, in their minds this wasn't something they were doing, they were just regular people trying to deal with a situation that was imposed on them from the outside.

By the way the Soviets had build huge bunker complexes underneath factories, so the workers could survive a nuclear war and it would have ended in planet Soviet.

>>486154
>By the way the Soviets had build huge bunker complexes underneath factories, so the workers could survive a nuclear war and it would have ended in planet Soviet.
It's difficult to imagine how. Nuclear winter does not discriminate. No crops and no ecology = no humans

>>486155
That was meant tongue in cheek. Obviously extinction is the most likely outcome.

I did look into nuclear-survival strategies from the cold-war, while nobody actually had a viable plan, the Soviets definitely were somewhat more advanced in their attempts. They were looking into electro-chemical means for feeding micro organisms as the basis for a food chain. Eating nuclear generated electricity with extra steps.

>>486157
>The Soviets were looking into electro-chemical means for feeding micro organisms as the basis for a food chain.
Never heard about this. Source?

>>486315
It was long ago, if i remember i'll make a thread about it.

>>486219
lol

>>481566
HOLY MARXER OF BANGER

>>481564
>what does it say ?
<they kept Kazan in fear for four years
<arranged shootouts with the police, bribed local authorities
<had their own people in hospitals and military registration and enlistment offices
<put everyone "on the counter"… …

>>371834
When the worst person you know has a good point

>>486173
Not OP but they've switched to state mandated anti-communist propaganda, which is explicit. At least that's how I interpret it.

Let's hope it works out worse than D.A.R.E and the war on drugs.

While this is surely an escalation, we have to realize that teaching can only ever go so far in informing people. The problem is that schools are a dependent institution funded by the government. And the moment you start giving students ideas that the system might not be the best possible system we can come up with is when you run into vested interests prepared to pull your funding. In Marxist terms they are a "subsumed class process". Leftists honestly need to do a better job communicating the class character of schools.

>>486176
You can't actually use ideology to trick people that way. People who live in a broken system, know it, propaganda can't out-compete lived reality.

The goal of this shit, is to get everybody to pretend the system works.

>>486173
>>486174
>>486177

Schooling has always been anti-worldly. Teachers have always pathologised students who express non-liberal opinions, use new tech, or adopt new slang.
Or homemade academic methods of solving math problems.
Teachers like to talk about how they love teaching and want students to learn critical thinking but they get offended when kids do t conform to the presumed role of wide eyed innocence.

>>486172
>Are we are to witness another red scare in this country?
We're heading rapidly into an era of outright dictatorship in the US. It's the long-term result/goal of the neoliberal project: remove functions of state from any semblance of democratic control through privatization and deregulation, and then use those privatized functions to do things which the government would come under fire for if it did directly, all while increasing control over national wealth and increasing capture over the political state itself.
It doesn't matter that the US really has no major united socialist movement to speak of. America's rentier capitalist elites know that a crisis is coming and are acting preemptively to protect their control over wealth and power. Meanwhile, workers are not acting and organizing quickly enough.

This year, we are going to see the next major recession… it will most likely begin within the next 6 months. This will be before or after the start of WWIII with a major war on Iran. Trump might be a dotard, but he is still intended as the "bad cop" of the American oligarchic state, although it's possible that he dies and they replace him with Thiel's Vance. What we're looking at is so much worse than most people comprehend, and they've been working on this shit since the '80s, and working even harder since the '00s. This insane red scare shit is the tip of the fucking iceberg.

>>484431
É verdade camarada anão.

>>483796
Looks like the diamond billionaire caved and complied with Brazilian demands to ban accounts the government doesn't like.

Y'all should get into Brazilian Maoismo

Procurem estudar o Maoismo

https://petras.lahaine.org/the-worker-president-and-the-banker/
https://petras.lahaine.org/brazil-extractive-capitalism-and-the-great-leap-backward/


Just two short articles for fellow Brazilians to remember who Lula really is as our country continues to get raped by Bankers with the unconditional support by our Father of The Poor (trademark)

https://x.com/comentadosuave/status/1865508031988961369

Lula é um comunista lixoso. Deu dinheiro para Maduro, Irã, puxa o saco da Russia. Apoia o ativismo juridico do stf e do cabeça de rola, so sabe cobrar imposto e aumentar burocracia, indicou advogado ao stf. Sem falar que ele É o protagonista dos dois MAIORES escandalos de corrupção da historia do pais e so esta solto porque tem amigos no STF que o soltaram. Petistas, pau no cu de vcs

>>485900
Also the idea the ACP is class collaborationist is delusional, they are radically pro-Proletarian to even a kind of crazy level where they are barred from working with even porkie charties and networks.
https://x.com/ACP_Washington/status/1859714559755550770

>>485900
Agreed, I should listen to that Podcast.

The western left is overwhelmingly concerned with virtue signaling and taking the most radical and unpopular positions possible. They enjoy being unlikable to normal people because to be likable is to be normal, and therefore not sufficiently radical. This is why they hate the ACP doing community service and actually serving the people.

>>484032
Heidegger's black notebooks were published like a decade ago. We know—more than ever before, that the man's thought was inextricably linked with a commitment to Nazi ideology. His explosive popularity in bourgeois academia (especially in western art history circles) is only just now being reassessed.

New statement about current events from Haz:
Here's the truth: Iran is infiltrated by traitors, the same ones who killed Raisi.

Iran's reformists are part of the wealthy oligarchical class that controls Iran's economy, and has all their money tied up by sanctions.

They want that money at all costs. They sold out everyone for it.

These guys have been agents of the CIA in Iran since 1979.

The Islamic Republic ideology is dead. It dismissed Marxist "materialism" and was completely blind to the reality of class forces.

Class dynamics are the sole reason that:

- Traitors sold out the resistance, to protect their wealth

Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Statement from Noah Khrachvik:

At times like these, a lot of people give up. I want to talk about why we shouldn't. Why we can't.

The progressive forces of the world suffered a very bad defeat as terrorists began their domination of Syria over the weekend. They're already kidnapping women, and the oppression of minority groups will begin soon. Mean while, people all over the US cheer. The "dictator" has fallen. Just as they cheered when the "dictator" Gaddafi fell in Libya, and terrorists ran freely over what was at one time the most prosperous country on the entire African continent. Now, Libya is a broken ruin. Literal human slavery returned, and the "brave" American ruling class, which had taken down this "dictator" ignores the suffering of the Libyan people. Mission accomplished, right?

Brothers and sisters, I'm here to tell you that this will only continue happening. Our ruling class is getting weaker with every accumulated debt that can't be paid and every country that leaves the dollar zone. Its empty economy, based on debts, rents, speculation, derivatives, and scams, cannot but lash out at the rest of the world as it reaches a moment of impossibility and impoverishes the people of America. It won't stop at Syria. It won't stop at these terrorists. It will use every terrorist it can, and it will continue spreading murder and terror - because it is under the impression that there is a way to save this dying system.

And many believe this is a bad omen, a sign of more victories for international finance capital to come. It is not. As Lenin teaches us, there is only ONE way to overcome this detritus, this chaos, and this bloodshed. And that is to find, within the existing society we have, that one social force capable of defeating this ruling class - to find, "in the very society which surrounds us, the forces which can—and, owing to their social position, must—constitute the power capable of sweeping away the old and creating the new, and to enlighten and organize those forces for the struggle."

The time for that action is now. Liberals, national nihilists, and ultra-lefts, I am talking to you now: if you are genuinely concerned about the people of other countries as you say you are, I urge you to join us in this fight, here in this country. Because their enemy is our enemy. Their cause is our cause. The people who are impoverishing our families are murdering theirs. You care about the people of SyPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>478556
An interesting observation. I wonder if anyone's thought of that.

fuck the socdem backstabber maduro, suppressing the PCV, making deals with the great satan and dengist china, and ignoring the awful conditions of the venezuelan worker. but he'll waste time and money on a useless war just to distract from his betrayals.

>>478556
>America could use this as a excuse to deploy troops.
>>478559
>I wonder if anyone's thought of that.
Maybe that's the point.

Venezuela can't conquer Essequibo if the US deploys its military. But the US will have forces tied up in a stalemate and the ExonMobile project in Essequibo would likely become indefinitely postponed. With the Exon Mobile project stalled, US reliance on Venezuelan oil production will continue, and Venezuela keeps it's negotiation lever to keep sanctions at bay.

According to Redstream on Twitter, "Is the US preparing for war with Venezuela? Caracas says that US Southern Command is carrying out joint military exercises in neighboring Guayana."

https://x.com/redstreamnet/status/1865013088937726441

>>486078
More on that