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 No.489297[Reply]

Why does it seem like support for Georgism disappeared suddenly in the middle of the 20th century? George's book Progress and Poverty was one of the most popular books of the 19th century and provided momentum for the Progressive Era. It seems like it kind of dropped off the face of the Earth after WWII. The last reference I can find to Georgism is Aldous Huxley's Brave New World Revisited in 1958, but after that it's like it poofed completely out of existence. Was it the cold war shifting the focus of the capitalist defense force to anti-communism? Was Georgism just a fad, propped up artificially as a bulwark against Marxists? Were Georgists just completely superceded by Marxists by that time? What happened?
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 No.489324

>>489323
Where does this say that though?
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 No.489327

>>489317
>Shitlib Woke Parties (US)
Pretty harsh anon.
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 No.489360

>>489297
it died with Nehru
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 No.489361

>>489360
… Elaborate?


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 No.488052[Reply]

On March 9, 2025, US permanent resident and Columbia University graduate student was abducted without charge or trial and sent off to a shady Louisiana site on White House orders over his protests for Columbia to divest from Israel's war crimes.

From DropSite:

NEW YORK CITY—On Saturday night, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) agents entered a student residential building at Columbia University in uptown New York and detained Mahmoud Khalil, one of the lead negotiators on behalf of pro-Palestine protesters at 2024’s Gaza solidarity encampment. In a sweeping attack on the First Amendment, the Trump administration said this week it would begin revoking visas of “Hamas sympathizers,” specifically citing Columbia University students. The detention followed a two-day targeted online campaign against Khalil by pro-Israel groups and individuals, including Columbia’s high-profile pro-Israel professor, Shai Davidai.

Khalil, an Algerian citizen of Palestinian origin and an American green-card holder, was detained by DHS officials around half past eight as he was entering the Columbia residential building he lives in. He was returning from an iftar, breaking the day-long fast observed by many Muslims during the month of Ramadan.

Khalil’s wife, who is eight months pregnant, was with him at the time. A statement by the pro-Palestine group Writers Against the War on Gaza (WAWOG) stated that he was “abducted and detained without the physical demonstration of a warrant or officially filed charges.”

Khalil was detained at a DHS facility in New Jersey, according to a database for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. But when his wife went to try and visit him she was informed he was not there. "He is not at the ICE facility in New Jersey. I can confirm he is not there,” Khalil’s attorney Amy Greer told Drop Site. "At this time, we have an idea [where he is] but we cannot confirm that 100%.”

According to WAWOG, the DHS agents told Khalil that the U.S. Department of State had revoked his student visa. The group said this was “despite the fact that he has a green card, not a visa, and is a lawful permanent resident.”

In response to a request for comment from Drop Site, the DHS first stated, “You need to reach out to the White House.”
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 No.489111

https://x.com/prem_thakker/status/1917051970638012425
New — Rumeysa Ozturk was supposed to be transferred to Vermont this Thursday. Instead, the Second Circuit has stalled it until a panel of judges hears the Trump admin’s arguments to keep her in Louisiana.

Rumeysa has not been accused of a crime.

She co-wrote a campus op-ed.
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 No.489150

https://twitter.com/MeghnadBose93/status/1917599819410874698
BREAKING: Mohsen Mahdawi has been released from federal custody. Judge reportedly compared the recent period of migrants and immigrants being detained to the era of McCarthyism and the infamous "Red Scare".
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 No.489287

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BREAKING | Michigan Judge Dismisses Felony Charges Against Pro-Palestine Student Protesters After AG Nessel’s Controversial Intervention

A Washtenaw County judge has dismissed all charges against seven University of Michigan students arrested during a pro-Palestinian encampment last spring—closing a months-long legal battle sparked by the state attorney general’s controversial decision to pursue felonies after local prosecutors declined.

➤ Arrested for protest: The students were charged with felony counts of resisting or obstructing police, which carried up to two years in prison. The charges stemmed from a May 21, 2024 police raid that dismantled an encampment demanding the university divest from Israeli genocide-linked weapons contractors.

➤ Defense: All seven pleaded not guilty and were represented by a team of Dearborn-based attorneys working for free, who cited deep concern over civil liberties and the state’s criminalization of student dissent.

➤ AG Nessel pushed charges: The felony charges were filed by Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel—after the local Washtenaw County Prosecutor’s Office refused to bring them. Nessel reportedly intervened at the request of University of Michigan regents, sparking backlash from civil rights groups and elected officials who questioned the political motivations behind the prosecution.

➤ All charges dropped: On Monday, Nessel’s office moved to dismiss all remaining charges, both felony and misdemeanor, effectively closing the case.

Civil liberties groups say the case never should have been brought.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1919395866625908768
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 No.489350

BreakingPoints - Student jailed for Israel protest speaks out
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 No.489357

BREAKING: A U.S. appeals court has ruled in favor of Rümeysa Öztürk, ordering her transfer to Vermont ahead of a key hearing that will decide whether she must be released from ICE detention while her immigration case proceeds.

Öztürk, a Turkish Ph.D. student at Tufts University, was arrested in March for co-authoring a pro-Palestinian op-ed. Her legal team argues her detention violates her constitutional rights, including free speech and due process. A Vermont federal judge had previously ordered her transfer, but the government appealed. The Second Circuit’s decision now allows her case to move forward in Vermont.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1920134538799325240


 No.479960[Reply]

In Mississippi, six former sheriff's deputies have been sentenced to between 10 and 40 years in prison for raiding a home and torturing, shooting and sexually abusing two Black men, Michael Jenkins and Eddie Parker, in January 2023. The six former deputies, all of whom are white, called themselves the "Goon Squad" and have been linked to at least four violent attacks on Black men since 2019. Two of the men attacked and tortured by the group subsequently died. To discuss the case and the verdict, we're joined by Eddie Parker and attorneys Malik Shabazz and Trent Walker. "Never have we seen this many police officers sentenced to this kind of time in one week," says Shabazz, who calls the verdict "historic." Jenkins, Parker and Shabazz are currently suing the Rankin County Sheriff's Department over its track record of civil rights violations and racist targeting of Black residents.

After this and the secret mass grave recently found behind the police station near Jackson, what's next for Mississippi?
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 No.479969

>>479962
I believe that court case is still ongoing.
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 No.479973

>goon squad
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 No.479974

>>479973
maybe they were self-aware on some level ?
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 No.479984

>>479974
Probably, yes.
That's a weird habit of certain kinds of tremendously evil people. Like the Ku Klux Klan with the whole dressing as ghosts and burning crosses thing, La Cagoule in France, the Romanian Iron Guard, Haiti's Tonton Macoute, etc.
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 No.489355

Officials in a Mississippi county settle lawsuit filed by 2 Black men tortured by deputies
Rankin County officials announced last week that they had settled a lawsuit filed by Michael Jenkins and Eddie Parker—who were brutalized by sheriff’s deputies in 2023—for $2.5 million.
https://apnews.com/us-news/mississippi-michael-jenkins-eddie-terrell-parker-lawsuits-law-enforcement-7173cee79fcbcbd89216a6fc03088378


 No.483853[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Party declaration:
https://x.com/ACPMain/status/1815163785134436404

The American Communist Party (ACP) is an organization which aims to reconstitute the historic Communist Party USA, which has become corrupted by federal agents and liberal forces. Look no further than Joe Sims, who supports the genocidal Democratic Party. It was launched in July of 2024, in response to the events of the 32nd Convention of the CPUSA. At this convention, party leadership subverted and betrayed democratic centralism and the freedom of critique which is supposed to follow from it. They claimed to be a genuine Marxist-Leninist party, but the leadership doesn't even follow their own rules. The CPUSA delayed all elections and without a vote made a resolution that they’d basically just campaign for Democrats. Just a bunch of boomers sitting around and writing articles about identity politics rather than organizing.

Already the ACP is far more successful than anyone would have expected from a brand new baby party. They are building reputation locally, taking care of their own communities and making areas safe for children and families to enjoy. Diplomatic ties on the international level have already been established. ACP has garnered more attention in the past couple months than the corrupt, decadent CPUSA leadership has in decades. A huge number of the CPUSA clubs across the entire country had a huge part in making this happen. Will you join up?

Website:
https://acp.us/
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 No.489338

>>489321
Dude because orge is run by fucking feds. ACP is POTENT. They are potentially a REAL threat to ruling class ideas and they are the only party putting in the work as far as I can see. So whoever does censorship for the ruling class has to either smear it or ban it. On .org they ban it. On other social media you just have a bunch of people calling them racist without anything to back that claim up.
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 No.489339

>>489328
>worthless stream whores
Anon what the fuck are you talking about? Like do you have any better ideas or are you just going to bitch at everyone else while doing nothing?
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 No.489342

>>489339
Yeah, stop being a narcissistic camera whore and go knock on some doors.
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 No.489344

>>483853
Aren't these guys basically right wing grifters with a communist coat of paint?
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 No.489345

>>489342
>knock on some doors
Won't that get you shot in America? Idk


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 No.489312[Reply]

Yemen's Houthis announce campaign targeting Israeli airports
Yemen's Houthi rebels said late on Sunday they would impose a "comprehensive" aerial blockade on Israel by repeatedly targeting its airports, in response to Israel expanding its operations in Gaza.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/yemens-houthis-announce-campaign-targeting-israeli-airports-2025-05-05/

'We want them to die alone': What is Israel's Gideon's Chariots plan for Gaza?
Israel has said that it will give Hamas until the end of US President Donald Trump's trip to the Middle East, which is 10 days from now, or "Operation ‘Gideon’s Chariots’ will begin with great force and will not end until all its objectives are achieved".
https://www.newarab.com/news/what-israels-gideons-chariots-plan-gaza

Uganda’s military chief says holding opposition activist ‘in my basement’
In a social media post late on Thursday, Ugandan General Muhoozi Kainerugaba said Mutwe had been captured “like a grasshopper”. “He is in my basement … You are next!” Kainerugaba wrote on X in response to a post by Wine saying that Mutwe had been abducted. Kainerugaba, who is known for his incendiary social media posts, also alluded to Mutwe being tortured, saying he had beaten him and shaved his head.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/2/ugandas-military-chief-says-holding-opposition-activist-in-my-basement
https://archive.ph/tkUPV

Rwanda Confirms Talks With Trump Administration to Take Deported Migrants
In 2022, Rwanda agreed to take in some people seeking asylum in the United Kingdom while their claims were being processed. However, the scheme was shelved amid legal and human rights concerns following the return to power of the center-left Labour Party. Rwanda is still seeking to collect £50 million ($66.4 million) from Britain despite the canceled deaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.489313

Bill that would punish Americans boycotting Israel pulled from US Congress
An anti-boycott, divestment and sanctions bill scheduled for a vote on Monday has been pulled from the US Congress after severe backlash from several “America First” Republican lawmakers and social media podcasters.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/bill-that-would-punish-americans-boycotting-israel-pull-us-congress

Trump issues executive order requiring English proficiency for truckers, escalating attacks on immigrant workers
The order, framed by the White House and Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy as a “commonsense safety requirement” and an effort to “protect America’s truck drivers, drivers, passengers, and others,” is nothing of the sort. It is a discriminatory measure that weaponizes a decades-old regulation against immigrant workers, exacerbating an existing labor shortage and ignoring the real, pressing safety issues plaguing the trucking industry.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/05/05/truc-m05.html

Democratic-led states sue to prevent Trump from gutting health agencies
A group of Democratic-led states filed a lawsuit on Monday to challenge the Trump administration's decision to gut the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services by firing 10,000 of its employees and shuttering entire agencies within the department.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/democratic-led-states-sue-prevent-trump-gutting-health-agencies-2025-05-05/

Michigan drops charges against pro-Palestinian campus protesters
Attorney General Dana Nessel said she believed the cases were strong but suggested her office was worn down by criticism and other factors. She noted that a judge in Washtenaw County still hadn’t decided whether to send the cases to a trial court despite multiple hearings.
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 No.489314

Three tasks we face in confronting an empowered Reform UK
BRITAIN is now confronted with a Reform UK threat of a new scale and character. The party is no longer fringe, but a powerful force, controlling 10 councils and two elected mayoralties outright. The polls suggest it can make serious gains in Scotland and Wales as well. It has already indicated how it will use its new powers. Within a day Nigel Farage and Richard Tice were threatening refugees (saying Reform councils would seek to stop accommodating them, and suggesting they be moved out of buildings and into tents) and local government workers. In the latter case the attack concerned both terms and conditions and jobs relating to concepts Reform doesn’t believe in, from climate change to equalities. The left faces three essential tasks.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/three-tasks-we-face-confronting-empowered-reform-uk

How Hamas Sees the Current Moment: An Exclusive Interview With Osama Hamdan
In an exclusive interview with Drop Site News, a senior Hamas official said that the movement will not capitulate to any demands from Israel or the U.S. to lay down its weapons and vowed that Hamas will reject any temporary ceasefire deal that does not include a clear path to a total Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and an end to the genocide. “No need for a short-term ceasefire,” said Osama Hamdan, one of the longest serving senior officials within Hamas. “What the Israelis are offering is: We will give you a ceasefire for a short while and then we will come back to kill you again. So what's the idea of giving you food for 12, 40 days, two weeks or three weeks, and then coming back to kill you? It means that you endorse the genocide and you accept that for your own people.”
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/osama-hamdan-hamas-gaza-israel-trump

Bureaucratic Mishaps Demonstrate Undemocratic Nature of Elections Under Capitalism.
Gabriela Santiango-Romero, a current Detroit city council person representing a largely Latinx and immigrant district, has been disqualified from running in the upcoming elections in November. According to the Wayne CoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.489329

>>489314
>Undemocratic Nature of Elections Under Capitalism
Elections won't be any more democratic under socialism. You can throw out all the other machinations of capitalist rule but as long as you keep their oligarchic institution of governance you're going to get an oligarchy under socialism.
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 No.489336

>>489312
>>489313
Thanks comrade anon, your efforts are appreciated as always.


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 No.489218[Reply]

Where the hell is the Chinese version of a color revolution in the US? Why haven't socialist states like the USSR persued regime change and propaganda in the USA? Why aren't hackers working 24/7 trying to get compromising material on US officials?

America first of all can't do it alone. We fucking need help. And second, propaganda and sending agents to orgamize against the capitalist government is way more cost effective than arming up to the teeth (which these states are already doing).
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 No.489302

>>489300
Well it might be lasers but there are other forms of suitable energy too. I didn't know "directed energy" was already a marketing buzzword. I thought i was just using a non-specific term. I'm feeling a bit perplexed, all the existing energy weapons are sort of just technology tests, why would they need marketing before they have wares to sell ?

>>489301
You are right that it's still possible to over-saturate these, but you can't really deplete any interceptor ammunition. I do think that it eventually be cheaper to scale generators and emitter arrays than missile batteries.

I don't know why you think that intercepting automatically means detonating the warhead.
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 No.489303

>>489302
>I don't know why you think that intercepting automatically means detonating the warhead.
That's not necessarily my point. An adversary on the other side of the planet might intentionally detonate some of their warheads in the upper atmosphere to generate an EMP and knock out ground infrastructure if they have a feeling that a lot of their warheads might get intercepted anyway. The range of EMPs is easy to underestimate and might end up harming the adversary too (so would nuclear winter), but anything goes in MAD.
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 No.489305

>>489303
>An adversary on the other side of the planet might intentionally detonate some of their warheads in the upper atmosphere to generate an EMP and knock out ground infrastructure if they have a feeling that a lot of their warheads might get intercepted anyway.
I can't answer this off the top of my head. I'm not sure what the effective range of an EMP would be when knocking out a energy-weapon-array. Not sure how to estimate that given the broad range of possible designs for energy-weapon-arrays.

But you bring up a valid point.
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 No.489306

>>489305
Self-contained military installations typically have shielding to protect against EMPs. It's the entire rest of the civilian infrastructure that doesn't because it's impractical. The target of an EMP wouldn't be a hypothetical laser/maser array likely shielded against this sort of thing, it would be civilians just like targeting a city with a nuke is.
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 No.489308

>>489306
So what you are getting at, is that you think intercepting nukes is not worth it because there's always EMPs. Not sure if I agree with that.


 No.485932[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Syrian rebels enter Aleppo three days into surprise offensive
Insurgents had recaptured territory around Syria’s second city with civilians including children killed in fighting

Islamist insurgents have entered Syria’s second city of Aleppo in a shock assault, eight years after forces loyal to Damascus seized control of the city.

Fighters from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) began a major offensive earlier this week from their base in the Idlib countryside, a slim strip of land in Syria’s north-west. It took only three days for the fighting to reach Aleppo, with insurgents capturing territory around the city’s outskirts for the first time in four years as Syrian government forces pummelled rebel-held areas.

Turkey’s Anadolu state news agency reported on Friday afternoon that the insurgents had entered Aleppo, while unverified images and video circulating online showed armoured vehicles and armed uniformed militants on its streets. The Associated Press said residents reported hearing missiles striking its outskirts.

The fighting over the last three days had killed 27 civilians, including eight children, David Carden, the UN deputy regional humanitarian coordinator for the Syria crisis, told Reuters.

The rebels have rapidly recaptured dozens of towns and villages in the Aleppo countryside, seizing a military base, weaponry and tanks from Syrian government forces, while some Turkish-backed Syrian rebel groups based elsewhere in north-west Syria joined the fighting.

The UN said Syrian government forces based in Damascus carried out at least 125 airstrikes and shelled areas across Idlib and western Aleppo controlled by the rebels in response to the offensive, killing at least 12 civilians and wounding 46 others, and displacing 14,000 people.

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 No.488085

>>488041
He thinks the Romanian population will not accept the abolishing of their democratic rights and enforce their democratic choice of leadership, and says they have done so before. I don't know anything about Romania, so is that's how it's gonna be ?

Yeah the Syria shit sucks. Consider the average Syrian had to endure extreme material hardship because the Syrian economy got sanctioned to shit, and now they have to dodge the sectarian head-choppers.

>>488057
>Seems sort of odd.
Indeed, the Kurds are at odds with Turkey who is HTS's principle backer.

HTS might just be desperate.
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 No.488086

>>488085
>I don't know anything about Romania, so is that's how it's gonna be ?
Idk anything about Romania either lol

>HTS might just be desperate.

I'd guess the Kurds are too.
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 No.488187

Syria accuses Hezbollah of abducting, killing three soldiers

The Syrian Defence Ministry said that Hezbollah had abducted the three soldiers from inside Syria, taken them to Lebanon, and then killed them.

The ministry said that the abduction happened near the Zeita Dam, on the Syrian-Lebanese border in Homs province.

“A group from the Hezbollah militia … kidnapped three members of the Syrian army on the Syrian-Lebanese border… before taking them to Lebanese territory and eliminating them,” the Syrian state news agency SANA quoted the Defence Ministry as saying.

Al Jazeera Arabic earlier reported that clashes had taken place on the Syrian-Lebanese border. Hezbollah has, however, denied any involvement in the incident.

aje.io/7jyucr?update=3583344

Astute observers with a great memory will recall that Israel bombed Damascus two days ago. For some reason, these HTS guys (formerly Al Qaeda) are only focusing on attacking Alawites, Christians, and Lebanon, though.
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 No.488339

https://twitter.com/redstreamnet/status/1905232716263473484
“The lands of the Syrian Arab Republic are forbidden to Israel.” Beyond the genocidal war on Gaza, Israel continues its attacks on Syria and Lebanon.

In recent days, Israel invaded and bombed the Syrian village of Koayiah, killing seven people and forcing residents to flee. Locals protested the attack, urging the new Syrian administration and the international community to intervene and stop Israel's aggression. Last night, Israel struck the city of Latakia several times. Ahmad al-Sharaa has not commented on the Israeli attacks.

In Lebanon, despite the ceasefire, Israeli attacks persist. Israeli drones continue to fly over Lebanese territory, and attacks leading to deaths continue. This morning, Israel bombed Yahmar al-Shaqif in south Lebanon with 13 artillery shells, killing at least four people. Lebanese authorities reported over 1,250 Israeli violations of the ceasefire, including at least 100 fatalities and over 330 injuries.
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 No.489257

Israel’s attacks on Syria part of its ‘new vision’ for the Middle East

Labib al-Nahhas, director of the Syrian Association for Citizens’ Dignity, says Israel’s claim that it is launching attacks on Syria to protect the Druze community is just a “false pretext” for a land grab.

“Their official narrative that they’re there to protect the Druze needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, because Druze themselves within Israel are considered second-class citizens. So that cannot be the genuine intention,” al-Nahhas told Al Jazeera.

He said “a new Israel” emerged after the October 7, 2023 attacks by Hamas-led fighters.

“The Israel we see is the most expansionist, aggressive, and hostile that we’ve seen since 1967. It has said it won’t stop the war until Syria has been partitioned. [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu has said they’ll establish their own buffer zone without any Syrian military presence,” said al-Nahhas.

“So what we’re seeing here is Israel trying to shape Syria to its liking in a way that Syria will remain weak, decentralised, and won’t pose any threat to Israel in the coming months and years. This intervention plays to the interests and new vision of Israel in the region.”

https://aje.io/p407e2?update=3687432


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 No.488544[Reply]

Retards here have been claiming an imminent stock market crash for almost 10 years straight.

But it looks like this time we might actually get a crash this time because the Republicans seem to like crashing the market in their second terms.

And it does seem like Trump and his advisors are trying to crash the market.

Either that or Trump's economic advisors are just stupid.
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 No.488688

>>488687
Such a pretty color
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 No.488700

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How long will MAGAtards keep defending this imbecile?
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 No.488716

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 No.488717

>>488700
Some people will do it forever.
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 No.489256

Due Dissidence: US Ports GOING EMPTY As Tariff Effects HIT HOME


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 No.489069[Reply]

>LibRight: "Corporate tyranny is better"
>AuthLeft: "State tyranny is better"
>LibLeft: "Mob tyranny is better"
>AuthRight: "All of the above are great"
>centrists: "All tyranny should be done in moderation"
Why do we have to choose? Can't we have individualism without corporate tyranny, socialism without state tyranny and democracy without mob tyranny? Why do we always have to sell our liberty to some institution? Why can't we have all the good stuff without all the bad stuff? Have modern ancoms forgotten their individualist roots? Have they forgotten about Bakunin, Goldman and Malatesta? What kind of libertarianism is this if you have to obey the corporations or the majority?

Look, our Matrix server already has elements of consensus democracy, it can work. The more we rebel and split the closer we get to anarchism. So I don't understand why we always sacrifice one freedom for another in politics (except the AuthRight bootlickers, they're obsessed with order and control).
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 No.489235

>>489227
>If ancient states in Egypt and West Asia predate capitalist relations, that doesn’t make them “antagonistic” to capital
No, it's the fact that rulers in Egypt and middle eastern states regularly went after the finance capital class with debt amnesty proclamations. That's what made them antagonistic to capital. Protecting their population from losing everything including their freedom to the accumulation of creditors. This tradition lasted over a thousand years until the Bronze Age collapse, far longer than capitalism has even been around today.
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 No.489237

>>489234
>You're a reactionary, got it.
Please, spare me these hissy fits. This word is used by radlibs just as often in a way that's just as meaningless.
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 No.489239

>>489235
There was no “finance capitalist class” in Bronze Age Egypt or Mesopotamia. Only temple/palace creditors and local merchants. Jubilee laws managed primitive accumulation under tributary/slave regimes, preserving free peasants for taxes, labor, and military service.

Debt amnesties were state tools to stabilize class relations, not evidence of states “against capital.” Capitalist finance relies on interest‑bearing money and abstract capital features absent until the late medieval and early modern periods.

Ancient debt relief regulated class exploitation; it didn’t oppose or negate capital in the modern sense.
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 No.489241

>>489239
>Capitalist finance relies on interest‑bearing money and abstract capital features absent until the late medieval and early modern periods.
You seem to be engaging in some very fine pedantry here. If by "capitalist finance" you mean "finance for industrial capital", then fine, OK, that particular thing is obviously exclusive to the economic system that displaced feudalism and which we are currently living through. "Finance capital" on the other hand is simply any time a loan is given with interest. It predates industrial capital (the form of capital that actually established capitalism) by several thousand years and in fact it even predates the invention of currency. Throughout the history of civilization there has existed both a class of people whose primary occupation is living off rent and a class of people who needed to take out loans from them to get by. The word class is appropriate here because their interests often worked together and in opposition to other classes in society. They didn't need to wait until capitalism to invent themselves or their respective class conflicts.

You should read Michael Hudson's work on this subject, while there are some rulers who simply wanted to stabilize their society by freeing people from debt bondage, there are also some pretty clear-cut instances of both ancient and classical/medieval rulers going to war against the creditor class because they saw them as a threat to their own rule.
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 No.489251

>>489241
There is a distinct qualitative difference between pre-capitalist usury and modern finance capital, it's not pedantry.

His work seems interesting but he's a reformist.


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 No.488634[Reply]

If you are not posting on 4chan you are failing as a leftist in the most fundemental way possible. Right now there is a huge opportunity to use the market crash and consequential recession that is coming to turn a lot of dissolusioned right wingers over to our side. To the side of truth, reason and sanity. I post on /b/ at the very least when a thread comes up revolving around trump and go on pol daily. We have to be where they are. We cannot just keep sequestering ourselves off in our hug boxes all the time. You have to be posting on 4chan as well.
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 No.489174

>>489124
I think you have to work to better your self and avoid your tendency to use ostracizing language against your fellow leftists.
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 No.489186

>>489174
We use the words "uyghur" and "anarkiddie" here all the time so you getting offended by me calling MLs "tankies" is just hypocritical really.
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 No.489188

>>489174
Maybe you have to work on yourself to stop letting these words offend you, though, I mean, I get your perspective. Me personally, it;s a matter of time and place,

This place, however, is leftychan.
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 No.489197

>>489133
You don't start threads unless you know the local board culture, you argue in their threads

Idiots, now go do your two years tour of duty on /pol/ so you too can wear the tankie flag and swear that Stalin did nothing wrong except being too kind and merciful
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 No.489199

>>489133
>Like look at Sigmarxism. Why in fuck does that even exist?
Holy Redditor. We have threads for such niche topics here, quit social media.


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