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 No.483702[Reply]

theory background, skip if you wish
In the cold war the Soviets had a closed media ecosystem with state censors etc. The materialist reason for that is, that their media production could neither match the quantity of output nor the level of technical sophistication of western media production.

The functional aspect of Soviet censorship was doing protectionism. The repression of expression-freedom of soviet citizens was not functional, it likely hampered the development of the means of media production. It likely worked only because the boost from protectionism more than off-set the drag from repression of expression.

This is what most ideological analysis got wrong. What matters is the structures that transport the information and the type of social relations that create the interaction with people. The specifics of the information never mattered.

In feudalism the information structure was the church. The specifics of religious faith, didn't really matter for the functioning of feudalism. The change from feudalism to capitalism changed information from a indoctrinated believe, into a object that is consumed.

We lack any concept of what the socialist information structure could be like. We haven't really thought beyond changing the information content. When the printing presses automated writing, capitalists printed information on paper squares arranged as either news-papers or as books. Socialists only ever did the exact same paper-squares with different words on it. Same thing for every subsequent media technology. That's why socialists have always been on the back-foot. It's like if the bourgeoisie had tried to edit the ten commandments in the bible. Instead of replacing the church with modern media.

Now for the juicy bit
The west is ramping up attempts at censorship. Ranging from deleting content up to attacking the people that make it, as well as attacking capitalists that own means of dissemination. The West has/had a relatively open media ecosystem as well as very high production media quality, and that is the combined reason why it's media structures have absolutely dominated the world.

For unclear reasons they're now trying to throw out the winning strategy and close off the western media eco-system. If it succeeds the global audience would get alienated out of it, and then western media power will shrink from influencing ~4 billion to maybe a few hundrPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.483704

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They used to do this thing where they just get a bunch of bots and shills to create the illusion that everyone thinks a certain way.

It's sort of the thing that Noam talks about: the ruling class defines firmly what the boundaries of allowed discussion are, but everything within those boundaries is very open and allowed.

You can actually go on reddit and see the current state department meta of the day, based on how many out-of-place posts there are about something topical and political on an our of place subreddit like /r/pics.

We've seen this with the "Uyghur genocide" they invented, Covid19 "antivaxxers", Russian orcs and Ukraine, and most recently they are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking that the fascists don't currently hold office with "Trump personally bad".

But they're over-doing it. People are starting to realize this. Picrel is a thread on the front-page calling this out.

So two things:

>The materialist reason for that is, that their media production could neither match the quantity of output nor the level of technical sophistication of western media production.


Agreed 100% but also since bourgeoisie dictatorships have a ruling class they can tap into the long history of various ruling class tactics that were developped to control their population (ie Machiavellian type of shit shit). And since they are very aware of their class position they know that using blatant censorship and authoritarianism is not as good of a strategy as psyops type of shit like indoctrination by full control of media, spreading ideological over materialist thought and all the other ways of gaslighting and manufacturing consent that we're used to seeing.
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 No.484307

Semi related.

We are hosting the TikTok appeals court hearing and arguments on leftychan.

https://tv.leftychan.net/r/HappeningsviaKlash
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 No.484588

>The west is ramping up attempts at censorship. Ranging from deleting content up to attacking the people that make it, as well as attacking capitalists that own means of dissemination. The West has/had a relatively open media ecosystem as well as very high production media quality, and that is the combined reason why it's media structures have absolutely dominated the world.
Talking of which another bunch of yootube channels just got nuked.

https://youtu.be/9rFBbRmeiJ4
Interesting talk on that.
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 No.484652

>>484588
>Talking of which another bunch of yootube channels just got nuked.
the censorship sucks, it's likely also going to hurt youtube. This shit will over time erode their dominant position in online videos

I also don't think they'll get away with it because they're loosing these geo-political conflicts.


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 No.484619[Reply]

Is there a posad guy here? What is posadism?
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 No.484620

It's the result of a Communist (Posadas) getting tortured by anti-Communist fascists. The Posadist meme is therefore ableist.
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 No.484645

There's a whole board >>>/posad/
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 No.484647

Posadism is disproven by the fact that nuclear weapons have been tested and used for nearly 80 years and we've had no communist ET contact
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 No.484649

>>484647
A blink of the eye in astronomical distances. Aliens 80 lights years away would just now be receiving evidence that nukes have gone off on Earth. If they decide to contact us in less than another 80 years they'll need faster-than-light space travel.


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 No.484609[Reply]

I think Antarctica should be annexed to Russia, China or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
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 No.484610

Why tho?
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 No.484614

I think the whole world should be annexed to Deez nuts
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 No.484617

>>484610
Russia because they already know how to live in cold obviously.

China and best Korea because you want workplace democracy and the liberty of privacy that's only guaranteed in a workers' state because you're living and working in Antarctica.
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 No.484618

How hard would it be to organize workers in Antarctica? Could it be the first truly communist landmass?
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 No.484659

>>484610
There are likely valuable resources in and around Antarctica. However, controlling these territories requires complete naval dominance, a capability that only the U.S. possesses.


 No.484602[Reply]

A biolab exploded in Conyers, Georgia the other day. According to Jordan Chariton, it's now leaving 90,000 Georgia residents sheltering in place. Chlorine gas going into the air, 32 miles from Atlanta. This is after hurricane Helene just came just came through, and damage and flooding from Helene is still terrible in the southeastern states of Tennessee and North Carolina.

Earlier this year, Atlanta's neglected water infrastructure broke, leaving a huge part of the city without water for days. A lot of commentators are contrasting the dangerous deregulation of industry and middling response to Helene with the eagerness of the Biden admin to send billions to support the genocide in Palestine and brutal war in Ukraine.
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 No.484605

Literal chemical warfare on the proletariat. They are fucking GASSING proles to death with CHLORINE GAS RIGHT NOW.


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 No.481775[Reply]

Who are you voting for, anon?

So far, the top candidates are:
Jill Stein (Green)
Cornel West (Independent)
Claudia De la Cruz (Party for Socialism and Liberation)
Joseph Kishore (Socialist Equality Party)
and now "Based Chase" Oliver (Libertarian)

and then there are some unserious candidates nobody likes.
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 No.484509

I can see the rationale for voting for any candidate

Trump, if you are sick of retard feminists
Harris, if you are sick of pure, undiluted psychopathy
Stein if you want society and government to actually work for everyone
Chase if u want to do hard drugs in peace

But I still think Stein is the best choice unless Harris actually comes out with a decent platform
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 No.484513

>>484509
>I still think Stein is the best choice
Yeah if she or somebody like her gets into power, the world might actually improve somewhat.
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 No.484514

>>484507
Yes.

>>484508
Eugene, no offense, I'm very tired today and have shit to do. Maybe I'll read all that later.

>>484509
Being way too generous wrt Harris. And Trump, too, tbh. They're both only appealing on the grounds of culture war brainrot, they represent essentially the same interests - the best argument for Trump is that he might scale
back US support for Ukraine, but there's no evidence in his track record to support the idea that he'll do that, so it comes off like Nixon promising to get out of Vietnam.
Harris seems, to me, a lot worse than liberals make her out to be. The fact that she is still currently Biden's VP is illustrative of that - she's willing to be second banana to, and run cover for, a president who struggles to stay coherent for 10 minutes. Putting political concerns ahead of concerns about this man's mental fitness and the message it sends to people around the world demonstrates a deep, aggressive level of incompetence comparable to Trump's.

Your analysis about Stein and Chase is fine, though. And De la Cruz is still on many ballots and represents a socialist choice. Stein and Chase are both opposed to US support for the genocide, and I'll vote for whichever of those two is doing better come November… although I'd prefer Stein, of the two.
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 No.484591

Five days until the burgers have a meltdown, get ready to sip those tears.
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 No.484600

A lawyer for Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger told justices during arguments Tuesday that it was too late to change ballots, but if the court ruled against the candidates, Raffensperger’s office would place notices at polling places and within absentee ballot envelopes that votes for either candidate will not be counted. With this decision, Georgians will choose between Republican Donald Trump, Democrat Kamala Harris, Libertarian Chase Oliver and Green Party candidate Jill Stein on Nov. 5.

De la Cruz said her campaign is “weighing its future legal options” and called the arguments in favor of the decision “outlandish,” arguing that if independent candidates were to follow the rules as proscribed by the justices, they would have to collect more than 120,000 signatures to qualify for Georgia ballots, an overburdensome number.

“Democratic Party lawyers and the Republican-majority Supreme Court worked together to suppress democracy,” she said in a statement. “This unjust ruling is a reminder of why it is so urgent to build an alternative outside the two-party system. We have a socialist program that speaks to the needs of working people — clearly this is something that scares the Democrats and Republicans, and the Wall Street billionaires who control both parties. Regardless of this ruling, we will not stop organizing in this state and we will continue to spread our socialist message far and wide.”

In an email, a spokesman for West said the campaign continues to encourage supporters to vote for West.

The justices’ decision had to do with the meaning of the word “candidate” in part of state code.

https://www.gpb.org/news/2024/09/27/georgia-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-by-independents-west-de-la-cruz-count-their


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 No.462013[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This is a general thread for all China-related news.

Gusano fuckers can die. Westoid """maoists""" can sudoku.

We are going to analyize ITT every move by China in their road to a socialist economy.
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 No.480879

:| NATO-propaganda
:O China-propaganda
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 No.484592

https://www.youtube.com/live/iDMLq0Zv3Ns
Stream starts at around the ten and a half minute mark.

Fair warning 7 hours long so probably something to fall asleep to or digest in sections.

https://www.youtube.com/live/iDMLq0Zv3Ns
<China at 75: Changes Unseen in a Century


From the International Manifesto Group

>October 1, 2024 will mark the 75th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China, when Mao Zedong declared that "the Chinese people have stood up."


>These unified events are monumental because of the enormous role China plays in the world today. The People’s Republic of China 75 years ago was a colonial holding looted by the world powers. China is now the economic powerhouse of the world providing hope for other developing countries of Africa and the Global South fighting for sovereignty against the forces of imperialism


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 No.484594

>>484592
My apologies apparently I found an Easter egg.
The actual discussion starts that the twenty and a half minute mark.
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 No.484597

https://youtu.be/nHYSkm9Jl-g
Interesting citations in the video description.


 No.484519[Reply]

what is to be done about the masses of sheeple who always do whatever the empire tells them to do? how are we supposed to organize in solidarity with vaxies who support vax mandates? how am I supposed to deal with people who vote in support of genocidal zionist politicians like Harris, Trump, and Kennedy even though it's clear they are screwing their own voters regardless? what are we supposed to do about the brainwashed, bloodthirsty psychos who support the global 4th reich?
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 No.484572

>>484519
material conditions will force the "sheeple" to accept reality. nothing more, nothing less.
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 No.484573

Hypnotherapy is not a trivial thing. It is impossible to undo the damage by any re-education. There is only managing the livestock once it takes root. No "awakening" changes this once they internalize this many lies, in the way they were made to do so.
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 No.484574

That said, compliance is no longer an option, and all of the compliance with COVID was premised on fear and marking down the enemies of the "Jehad". It was inevitable after what you allowed to happen in the 1990s. The eugenists brag that you were operating the death camps and couldn't stop them. A Satanic race cannot change.
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 No.484586

Propaganda is a helluva drug, but good teaching and persuasion principles apply here. Use the Socratic Method, lean into evidence whenever possible, develop a habit of tactfully reminding people when their assertions haven't been supported enough to be arguments. When someone realizes that they can't support their own beliefs in a friendly, non-confrontational setting, that's when the conditioning starts to break down.
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 No.484590

Have you consodered tgat most sheeple are "truthseekers" like you and hence why theyre the easiest to dupe?

The game of mass deception is avhievable because of "alternative" media.
Most "alternative" media spreads the same biases as their respective mainstream counterparts.

In fact, alot of alternative news media are indirectly corporately owned.

Even if not, most "truthseekers" are unable to read further than pop culture cliches.


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 No.484467[Reply]

One retarded thing the left does more than the right is watermark memes with ownership. By placing who made it in either a corner or watermark. If a meme is good don't try to own it just let it free. It's supposedly about the idea, not about you.
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 No.484473

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 No.484476

>>484467
You can always edit the meme if you don't like it, you know the clone-tool has been standard in most image-editing softwares for like 20 years.
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 No.484479

truthnuke
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 No.484520

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 No.483794[Reply]

Remember when people thought this guy was some kind of lefty?
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 No.484326

>>484323
debt relieve sounds good.
We like hearing that.
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 No.484431

"Pai dos pobres, Mãe dos ricos."
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 No.484487

>>484431
É verdade camarada anão.
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 No.484494

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>>483796
Looks like the diamond billionaire caved and complied with Brazilian demands to ban accounts the government doesn't like.
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 No.484518

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Y'all should get into Brazilian Maoismo

Procurem estudar o Maoismo


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 No.483782[Reply]

These kinds of people are literally just black chuds, they worship "black owned businesses", they have their own black version of schizo-tier race science (Yakub), are religious extremists (just Muslim instead of Christian), are often antisemitic, homophobic, etc., and essentially just want a Fourth Reich but in Africa ("Pan-Africanism"). Basically take any /pol/ talking point but replace "Jews" with "whites" and "Europe" with "Africa". There's a reason the American Nazi Party regularly attended Nation of Islam conferences.
How do you get them to realize they have a lot more in common with the white proletariat than the black bourgeosie?
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 No.484016

>>483784
> He was successful, he got the Arian-brotherhood to talk to the Black-panthers.
Fred Hampton did not ally with the "Aryan Brotherhood" criminal lumpen white supremacist gang. He allied with the Young Patriots, which were a much more working class non-criminal group of people from Chicago who happened to use a confederate flag as a rebel symbol, mostly due to lack of education.
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 No.484029

>>484016
Thanks for the correction.
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 No.484039

You can't. Either members of a marginalized group voluntarily realizes idpol has failed them or they don't and keep insisting upon it. It comes down to the individual members of that group making personal choices. They are not a monolith. Each one of them will either choose class consciousness or false consciousness. Study the Jewish Labor Bund's split from the RSDLP before the Bolshevik-Menshevik split.
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 No.484497

BLEACH their women
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 No.484522

>>483782
>How do you get them to realize they have a lot more in common with the white proletariat than the black bourgeosie?
You are doing like every single black person is like this. Also comparing blacks who hate on whites to nazis is not a very good look. The structural racism (or at lest remnants of it - like the US police violence) still exists, so they kinda have a good reason to not like white people. I agree, the NOI, the radlibs etc. are idiots but they are by no means comparable to nazis.

Plus you don't have to get onboard every single one of them. We should talk with people who are willing to listen first.


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