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 No.467807[Reply]

I'm asking my self whether or not the neocons are nothing but blood-dripping salesmen for the arms-industry, and all their ideological stuff is foolishness.

I'm not looking for cheap shots, like proving they never achieve their stated goals like "winning the war on terror". Just assume it's part of their strategy to lie about their true goals.

I used to think that they were both effective at generating profits for the arms industry and also furthering US imperial power. But I don't think that anymore.

For example the wars in the middle east caused something like a war-chaos-belt that separated Europe from Asia and prevented the formation of "Ꭼurꭺsian" (loaded term) economic integration that could potentially become an economic block that would be many times more powerful than the US. So in that sense you could look at the failed wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and so on as somewhat effective at maintaining US hegemonic power.

But it turns out that it wasn't the case. The conclusion that most analysts are drawing now is that the US wasted a bunch of time and effort fucking up the Arabs. And was nothing but a distraction that allowed China to grow into an economic powerhouse that is now more or less untouchable for the foreseeable future.

The Ukraine crisis again follows a similar structure, it seemed like a viable way to separate Russian-German economic cooperation by creating a trade-disrupting war-zone and political-capital for economic separation, so that economic integration may not lead to a Russo-European economic block that would have been more powerful than the US.

But it turns out that this wasn't the case either. The result of the Ukraine crisis is:

Sino-Russian economic integration. Which might lead to the formation of a much more powerful economic block than the Russo-European one. But the consequences don't stop at undoing the Sino-Soviet split. It also has killed the economic power of Europe which means that a potential Trꭺnsatlꭿntiꮸ (loaded term) economic block is much weaker now.
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 No.477440

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The neocons are planning to seize the frozen Russian assets in order to continue funding the Ukraine proxy war.

Western finance went REEEEEE DON'T, this will trash our reputation and spook the investors

The Unintended Consequences of Seizing Russian Assets
https://internationalbanker.com/news/why-attempts-to-divert-frozen-russian-assets-could-seriously-damage-the-wests-credibility/
<the West is persisting in its endeavours, with a proposal to use frozen public Russian assets to finance Ukraine
<For many other countries, however, freezing Russian assets is widely perceived as a method the US-led West employs to weaponise its primary currencies. The European Central Bank warned in June that using interest-rate proceeds from the frozen assets could prompt other central banks to “turn their backs” on the euro,
<“The implications could be substantial: it may lead to a diversification of reserves away from euro-denominated assets, increase financing costs for European sovereigns and lead to trade diversification,” the note added. And Bank of America analysts led by Michael Hartnett recently noted in a report that “US dollar debasement is the ultimate outcome as the dollar is weaponized in a new era of sanctions.”
<Such fears are thus expediting not only the ongoing global trend of de-dollarisation but also the construction of viable alternative financial systems by China or even Russia.
<nations and regions have accelerated efforts in recent months towards arrangements aimed at reducing their dependence on the dollar. At the heart of these de-dollarisation initiatives is the fear in many capitals that the US could someday use the power of its currency to target them the way it has sanctioned Russia
<Indeed, central banks are already calling back their offshore gold assets to domestic storage facilities in increasing quantities over such fears.
<According to the results, a substantial percentage of central banks are concerned about the precedent set by the US freezing Russian rPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.481614

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=AaLX8ozOJRA
Starting at 1:09:00 Alexander Mercouris sums up how the Neocons managed to unite all of the US's adversaries and make them forge alliances, creating a geopolitical opponent that is so large and powerful that it will be indomitable. And the irony is that the early neocons from the 70s like Brzezinski, warned about this.
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 No.481616

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>>481614
I feel like the neocons ultimately got exactly what they wanted though: an enemy so large that they can justify another massive spending spree on their friends in the military industry.
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 No.481620

>>481616
Yeah you might be right the neocons may simply be motivated by Number go up for defense contractors. And there is no grand strategy or anything.

But an arms race against all that ?

The US and the EU plus a few other countries just lost at war supply logistics against just Russia in Ukraine. I can't fathom trying that against a block that is over an order of magnitude larger.
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 No.482312

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=e2fHem1IjK0

Consider the following:
The neocon Ukraine scheme resulted in Russian relations with ROC (South Korea) withering and they now went for an alliance with the DPRK (North Korea). Including a mutual defense agreement and military exchange.

Neocon sanctions damaged Venezuelan oil production, resulting in Cuba no longuer getting fuel from Venezuela. The neocon sanction against Russia eliminated any incentive the Russians had to not break the blockade against Cuba. The Russians have begun sending fuel and other exports to Cuba.

Add up these developments to other events like the severing of German-Russian economic ties via hijacking of EU foreign policy and the Nordstream gas pipeline sabotage, or the reversal of the Sino-Soviet split by antagonizing both Russia and China at the same time.

I can see a pattern emerging
The neocons are trying to revert the international relations to how it was during the depths of the cold war.

Conclusions
I think the neocons realized that they personally flourished during the cold-war political climate, but when the detente came, all that went away, and society turned towards peace-makers instead. That's why they are trying to recreate those conditions. They simply are optimizing for rising personal careers as cold-warriors, and that's it. Nothing else. All the damage they are causing to the west's geopolitical status , because that strategy no longer works in present material conditions, isn't part of their considerations.

I'm proposing to call this political solipsism


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 No.481725[Reply]

there is not one reason why i should help them or make their life easier. they generalize and exagerate about every government on earth ever. they lie through their teeth as natural as as they breath. they take advantage of the progressive zeitgeist that happen in society. they take advantage of everybody lying about nation/tribe/etc that are againts the libtard view of the world. they take advantage of people not caring but still having the drive to bully the non-"""normie""" part of society. not a single healthy society from the stone age up to now allow them to speak. THEY SHOULD BE ROPED!!!! when we have a new hammer&sickle revolution they should- no- MUST! THEY MUST BE ROPED!!!!
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 No.481951

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>>481725
The world was better before SJW.
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 No.482200

>>481951
So just to be clear: "class reductionism" is a word that feds made up, doesn't exist and politics focused on gender and race are called identity politics and are counter-revolutionary, did I get that right? I just want to know that I'm not crazy for believing this.
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 No.482206

>>481951
>>482200
That's RIGHT!!!!
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 No.482223

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>>482200
Das right, uyghur. The core of identarism (= "racism", "sexism", "ageism", "ableism", "classism" ("people of means") & so on) is social division cringed on inherent characteristics of individuals & specific groups & subsequent ruling over the unleashed societal chaos. The more chaos is there @ the bottom, the more order there is @ the top.
If they like to tug the rope so much, let them do that with their actually fucking privileged necks. They do not want to dismantle the system of killing alienation, they only want to better their own positions in it by means of societal discrimination, & therefore they are the most rabid pro-system anticommunists of our times since they are the middle class of the present world.

>>481725
They are not persons, they are system-serving fascists.
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 No.482302

>>482223
>classifying 'billionaire' as a slur
Good. This is funny and provocative.


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 No.482164[Reply]

So, Saudi Arabia is ditching the prtodollar. Isn't that wild?
What does /leftypol/ make of this one?
Thoughts? Feelings? What's going on?
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 No.482188

Things have been set in motion that can't be turned back now. A big question I'd like answered is whether or not Modern Monetary Theory still applies when you're no longer the world's currency hegemon.


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 No.482189

>>482188
>Things have been set in motion that can't be turned back now.
Technically the US could do a massive political shift away from militarism towards civilian production of goods, and then the rest of the world would try to buy those goods and the Dollar exodus would reverse. The US has a lot of natural resources, a large workforce and a lot of high tech know how that makes this possible. The probability of that happening is somewhat low. The more likely outcome is that no significant political shift occurs and the currently gradual Dollar exodus will go on for a while, but as more and more feedback mechanisms kick in it'll begin to accelerate and follow the curve of an inverted logistical distribution.

>A big question I'd like answered is whether or not Modern Monetary Theory still applies when you're no longer the world's currency hegemon.

Yes and No. The value theory parts of MMT were never correct, regardless of the currency hegemony status. The political application of MMT can still work. Specifically the public sector economy can print money to hire every last employment-excluded citizen as long as those people are instructed to do productive labor (in the strict Marxist definition) and there would be no resulting increase in inflation. There are some caveats, this assumes the US chooses a geo-political path of a managed de-dollarization with a soft-landing. If they continue down the path of ramping up militarism, currency wars and trade wars it'll cause a hard landing with significant inflation pressure, that would make MMT schemes more difficult.
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 No.482197

>>482189
Controlling inflation is as simple as a government-mandated price freeze. The US itself has done it at least twice in history. Inflation isn't controlled, or rather, is actively sought out, because it's a policy to keep workers desperate and difficult to organize.
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 No.482208

The best way to beat inflation long-term is by controlling inflation in land prices - IE taxing the shit out of land speculation so that it becomes unprofitable and land prices drop.
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 No.482214

>>482197
>>482208
So you want to take on big real estate hedge funds like Blackrock ? What's your "game-plan" for doing that ?


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 No.482116[Reply]

Our society is organized by identity. We have systems that recognize somebodies identity and that grants/denies access to powers and resources. While that mostly works, we might be able to do better. I propose as an alternative that we organize around deeds instead, and have systems recognize actions rather than identities.

History of identities
Early tribal societies used identities and lineages to prevent inbreeding. In slave societies identity was used to keep track of slaves. And in feudal societies identities were used to attach hereditary political power to people. Identity also served persecution alot, for example: which hunting, or in ww2 the Nazis holocausting the Jews. States use identity to attempt to conscript-nap people and force them to wage wars.

Anonymity
This is what enabled many slaves to free them selves. It is what enabled many Jews to evade the extermination camps. It also is necessary for democracy, because votes have to be anonymous in order to prevent coerced votes. Anonymity became a political value during the beginning of the bourgeois revolutions, and are conceptually based on early cities where masses of people had to cooperate without being able to know everybody.

examples for proof of deed, recognize action instead of identity
We already use some systems that recognize action but not identity. For example when you buy a ticket for amusement rides, the ticket grants you access by proving that you payed for the ride, and there is no need to recognize your identity. Voting systems can also work entirely without identity, people vote anonymously, then stick their thumb into a die that stains the skin for a few days and prevents voting more than once.

Political intentions
Proof of deed systems are better at enabling rewards for beneficial actions, while proof of identity systems skew a lot more towards punishment. Proof of deed systems are less easily abused for persecution. Identities also get abused to establish aristocratic domination (privilege for me and burden for thee). So less persecution, more fairness and motivation by the carrot rather than the stick.

A society of the deed would be anonymous safe for interpersonal relations, and perhaps counter-intuitively also more orderly, since it operates on actions directly. One would have to try it out to know for sure.
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 No.482134

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holy hell nig next you're going to tell me that objective truth doesn't exist you Machfag
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 No.482148

>>482134
>objective truth doesn't exist
>Mach
Where do see that in the opening post ?

Why do you think this proposal would philosophically break with materialism and a conception of objective reality ?
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 No.482150

>>482148
Ok I re-read your op. I thought that you were suggesting that systems of identification drove historical development instead of relations of production.
Is your post instead about information technology? I'm confused about the applications of 'deed actions'. If there were to be incentives for a public program it would need financing whether that be in money or labor time. If that's the case then a coupon only system would shut an organizing party out of doing analytics which would be important for evaluating success outside of a raw number of times a program was accessed. What would be the benefit?
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 No.482161

>>482150
>I thought that you were suggesting that systems of identification drove historical development instead of relations of production.
No, i just added the historic bits for context.
>Is your post instead about information technology?
I suppose it would also have an effect on that as well, to be honest i haven't thought that far ahead. I ranted about bio-metrics because i think that it is foolish, and this was just another opportunity to bring that up.
>I'm confused about the applications of 'deed actions'.
You are going too fast, I'm not yet thinking about applications, to me this is in the stage where we think about the philosophy of organizing principles. Most of our current systems of organizing, at the most fundamental level begin with detecting the identity of people interacting with it. I think it's possible that we might do better with systems that center on detecting actions instead of identities. Conceptually the next thought would be to figure out all the ways to recognize an action.
>If there were to be incentives for a public program it would need financing whether that be in money or labor time.
Not yet, i think we would have to begin experimenting in a setting where the stakes are lower. I think this is a very novel idea and it will require trial and error to get a bearing on what works and what doesn't.
>If that's the case then a coupon only system would shut an organizing party out of doing analytics which would be important for evaluating success outside of a raw number of times a program was accessed. What would be the benefit?
This is a reasonable starting point. A coupon for a deed, that would be a system that centers on recognizing actions. Obviously that won't be sufficient. The coupon system would fall short in many ways. Once you collected experience, you can formulate additional structures to compensate for those shortcomings. Figuring this out would be a process. It's not going to be just one mechanism, it'll be multiple ones working in concert.


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 No.481087[Reply]

What are we to do with the ever-increasing agespan of adolescence?
This is a serious problem in the first and second world.
Why is it normalised to waste away your teens and twenties (AND THIRTIES!!!) in quiet despair and zero technical skills?

Generation X and Millennials have normalised mediocrity in youth.
They even say worldly exposure/attributes in youth are elitist.
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 No.481670

>>481668
I understand that the capitalists did universal education because they needed more educated workers, and a place to store the children while parents wage-slaved. But that doesn't make it a bad thing, the Soviets and all the other socialist projects did the same thing, they also send children to school.

However I'm willing to hear you out on what you think Marx wanted and how it differs from what capitalism did.
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 No.481672

>>481670
Marx said children should start working st age nine and be given moderate hours
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 No.481673

>>481672
In the 18 hundreds children often began working in the fields or factories when they were six years old and often had to work long shifts.

I can't be bother to check if your assertion is true.
So if Marx suggested to raise the work-force entry-age to 9 years as well as reducing the hours to "moderate" , that would make him somebody who sought to reduce child-labor, relative to the usual praxis of his time.
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 No.481707

>>481673
regardless I think kids should be involved in theprocess of industriaility.

Adults accuse kids of being lazy leeches but ban kids from the real world.

Also, academic skills dont mean shit in the real world.
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 No.482101

I think this needs to be discussed more.
People complain about ableism amd ageism but then talks about "brain development" as an excuse to disqualify young people from worldly affairs.


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 No.478779[Reply]

https://committeetounleashprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Them-vs-Us_CTUP-Rasmussen-Study-FINAL.pdf



The survey is a first-of-its-kind look at the views of the American Elite – defined as people having at least one post-graduate degree, earning at least $150,000 annually, and living in high-population density areas (more than 10,000 people per square mile in their zip code) – and compares them to what the average American thinks. The Elites represent 1% of the U.S. population but have an outsized voice on public policy in the United States, with their views seeming somehow to dominate the national conversation. This may be because it is the Elites themselves who determine what that conversation will be about on campus, in the legacy media, and corporate board rooms. Not surprisingly, these people talk about politics far more than most Americans. The data show that nearly a third of them (30%) talk about politics daily or almost every day. Just 9% of the voting public do. It is worth noting that members of the Elites who talk about politics daily have views that are even further removed from the opinions of the voting public. This is true even when the Elites self-identify as Republicans. They typically may be more conservative than Elite Democrats but they still have attitudes and opinions that are far removed from those of the typical American voter. The Elite class – regardless of party – is an exclusive club that sees and experiences America through a different lens than ordinary Americans.

These results confirm what people have long suspected: today, there are two Americas. One is wealthier, more highly educated, and attended the best schools. They put much more trust in big government “to do the right thing” and, by their own admission, benefit from more expansive government policies. They have also been hurt far less by the high inflation of the Biden presidency than those who live from paycheck to paycheck and are in the lower and middle classes.

This Grand Canyon-sized chasm between where every day Americans stand on the state of the country, expanding government power, draconian climate change solutions, and Joe Biden’s job performance may partly explain the Donald Trump phenomenon and his high approval ratings among working-class voters,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.478794

>>478792
stay in your own thread schizo
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 No.479313

ffs upload .pdf
Not hard
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 No.481964

>>478794
It's a pretty accurate take, if you don't or can't read just ignore it.
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 No.481971

>>481964
>necrobumping to defend schizospammer
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 No.482225

>>481971
>seethe so hard you forget about sage


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 No.481884[Reply]

Kevin Reed
06/03/2024

The collapse of the water infrastructure in Atlanta, Georgia, that began on Friday and left a large section of the city without any water expanded on Sunday with two more ruptures being investigated by water department officials.

The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported Sunday that the water department warned residents and businesses near Euclid and North Avenues northeast of downtown and near 1190 Atlantic Drive NW north of downtown. It said that they will likely “experience the kinds of disruptions that have plagued Atlanta since the first water main break was discovered Friday.”

Atlanta Mayor Andre Dickens declared a state of emergency in the city at a press conference on Saturday night after the massive disruption of water service resulted in a boil water advisory from the City of Atlanta Department of Watershed Management. Dickens said the city was “working around the clock to bring us safe drinking water in the city of Atlanta.”

The water main collapse that shut down water service in all of downtown Atlanta began after corroded 48-inch and 36-inch pipes burst sometime on Friday at an intersection of three primary water lines in the city. The City of Atlanta released a map showing a large area across the city that has been impacted by the collapse.

Hours went by before the city made any announcements about what was happening or when the water would be restored. The city’s Water Service Interruptions Map identifies the locations where the breaks occurred and simply says, “Crews are investigating a potential water main break …” with no further information.

The water main failure impacted Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, Fulton County and Atlanta government facilities and the Mercedes-Benz Stadium and the State Farm Arena. High-rise apartment buildings were also left with no water pressure.

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 No.481893

>>481892
True! But spending a bunch on basic infrastructure maintenance and expansion is, like, expensive!
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 No.481894

>>481893
Waterlines and sewers is the type of infrastructure that works nearly flawlessly in non-failed states. The US is supremely rich, it's a faulty priority problem, not one of expense.
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 No.481920

>>481891
its made for phones so the paragraphs are small
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 No.481925

Atlanta water seems to be back on after 5 days. We'll see.


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 No.480458[Reply]

We are Leftypedia, a socialist and left-wing online encyclopedia.

If you’re a leftist of any kind or considering becoming one, you’ve probably found truthful information about socialist ideologies and movements from websites like Wikipedia lacking at best.

These days, genuine leftist ideology can be hard to get into and learn about, between the toxic culture that dominates online leftist spaces and the many issues faced by even offline socialist organizations. Reading theory-dense works from Marx can be hard at first, and the easily-accessible guides targeted at beginners often don’t even understand the work their talking about themselves!

So, what’s the solution?

A dedicated socialist resource, like Leftypedia.

We aspire for new leftists to be given an environment where original discourse is encouraged on top of sourced and informative encyclopedic articles

Since our beginning in 2019, we have hundreds of articles, dozens of editors, and a growing community and base of content.

We’re well on our way of reaching our goals, and welcome any leftist or incoming-leftist to view and editor our articles, carry out original discourse, and so on!
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 No.480474

I said it before and I'll say it again: what have you done to correct Wikipedia's and other wikis' fundamentally flawed self-governance structure? How are you going to avoid eventually become another embarrassing rationalwiki or conservapedia?
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 No.481845

>>480474
they kept everyone from editing recently and now moderate every edit

they also mass import Wikipedia content, use Wikipedia rules to disqualify content, and more or less just want to make an extension of Wikipedia

They also are a result of a prior failed leftypedia and are just borrowing server space as they say they have no interest in being a leftypol wiki

think it's run by a couple prolewiki people
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 No.481864

>>481845
So how do you do a collective knowledge repository thing correctly ?
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 No.481865

>>481845
>>481864
I wanna know too
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 No.481866

>>481845
what a conspiracy theory, mark


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 No.480073[Reply]

What made old /leftypol/ good?

Pull examples from the archives, the booru, wherever and whatever. Hell, even just tell a story.

Was it the PDFs? Was it the artists making memes? Was it people's willingness to repost them? Was it the raids and antics? Was it the people who brought esoteric niche history and theory to light? Was it the crazy Trump election drama and racial uprisings in the US? Was it the proximity to all kinds of communities, with all of 8ch coming in to give their shit opinions and getting dogpilled into submission?
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 No.481067

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>>480073
>What made old /leftypol/ good?
not being an anal echo-chamber where unaccountable leftoid jannoid cliques run amok

being a part of the wider 8chan community, having a higher authority at least with some pretense of neutrality, that could reign jannoids in in case they go nuclear

userbase won by pitting leftoid jannoids against 8chan administartion, by them constantly being at each others throats

the moment jannoid bitches conspired (as they always do) to forcefully move the userbase to their controlled echo-chamber, I saw the writing on the wall

I saw everything in that moment, all the shit jannoid drama, all the cringe, all the splits

I predicted EXACTLY what would happen

I wish 8chan was still alive. 8chan was what made leftypol so great. If 8chan didn't go down, jannoids would've failed, and bunkerchan would've remained a barren wasteland that nobody cares about.
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 No.481068

>>480088
fucking vanguardoid conspiratoid bitch

first as tragedy (Soviet Union), then as farce (leftypol)
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 No.481080

>>481067
You're a fucking retard bro
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 No.481083

>>481080
nah, I'm actually very smart
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 No.481830

>>480073
no chan was ever that great

but old leftypol was better because there were OC memes that weren't cringe


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 No.481507[Reply]

Do you fags realize that one of top reasons that Americans are afraid to even entertain the idea of a revolution, is that they think the people would have to fight against "modern weapons that the military and police would have"?

I mean regardless of whether or not you agree with that argument, the average amerifat thinks that if there's an uprising, the people would have to fight picrel.

What do you have to say to those people?
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 No.481768

>>481765
In theory, sure. My belief is that, in practice, neoliberalism is effectively a sneaky way of reintroducing fascism. It's only "small government" in rhetoric, because it inevitably reaches the same contradiction that ancap does: large-scale corporate capitalism, rentierism, etc. rely entirely on a state to define & protect certain property rights & monopolies against those who are harmed by these things. Neoliberalism is when the state does the work to define and protect the rights of capitalists, but removes checks from corporate power and sells off infrastructure which was publicly funded, and then, in practice, socializes the damage with a kind of periodic mock-Keynesian crisis capitalism. This inevitably was paired with massive union busting, because there isn't any other way to actually achieve this - the state is absolutely necessary in all this, and it plainly used its power to enrich and favor one group while suppressing another.

While this didn't generate fascist conditions (in first world countries) immediately, it's inevitably crept towards that. Privatizing the organs of state, while they still essentially operate as organs of state, essentially just functions to remove them from democratic accountability. It was only about 20-something years after the rise of neoliberalism in America that the same country was passing the PATRIOT Act, and now we're at a point where even many of the modern, socially liberal rights which existed back then have actually been scaled back.

I think, and maybe I'm mistaken, that a lot of the neoliberal "thinkers" probably don't believe the shit they say to make it sound palatable. Even early proponents of capitalism understood that corporate power would act like states' power if unchecked.
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 No.481779

>>481765
QUICK SHUT IT DOWN STEER BACK TO APPROVED HARBARA NARRATIVES!

>>481758
Fascism implied a level of cooperation and lack of division that the coming setup no longer needs nor wants. Basically, everyone who wanted fascism would be told that the only way to the "light" is to embrace what appears to be fascist ideology, and it will be switched out with this new thing - and has been. The Rightoid has already been primed to accept anything, any self-abasement. Trump and the Eurotrash Right are proof of how retarded they are.

The fascist idea was purely about running into the ground any country's institutions and replacing them with screaming faggotry. What they're bringing in is the result of fascism not really being answered in the past 100 years, except by people fighting for their lives and refusing to die any more. The fascist ideas were rehabilitated after they became so unpopular that overt fascism in most of the world would have led to the rulers and their front groups being lynched. The true believers got to work as soon as the war ended, but it wasn't until the 1960s that it started to "work" - almost entirely on people who were too young to remember the war and what it really was. A law against serious discussion about the war events produced enough chilling effect in the academy, all of whom were exempt from the death cull that the world wars brought - just as they planned for the world. They laugh at you for lying to yourself about what fascism was. Laugh at you. Laugh at anyone who believes in this fag pablum sold to them, because they've been too afraid to even name their enemies, too eager to lick boot. Fags, pure fags.

>>481768
Why do you believe there is such a thing as "small government"? The very idea of capitalism will tell you the state and commanding heights will regulate economic life for the first time, in a way that was not known in the past nor workable. The idea that the government would be small is tripe sold to the dumber of the proprietors with a wink that they'll keep getting payola as their rivals are killed first for not being Nazi enough. There's some more fags for you, the "small government" cult thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.481780

If you look at the actually non-retarded neolibearals, they are not under any illusion that their government is small. They stripped down bureaucratic largesse and replaced it with private, imperial largesse, because one liability of the liberal order was its reliance on very large bureaucracies to maintain private property in a world where the conditions of socialism were met and became too obvious. So much wealth and effort was spent destroying anything that worked, because they simply did not want the people to live, and would pay exorbitant energy to uphold elitism - an elite that long ago ceased to have any justification, that has grown more incompetent at actually doing anything. They only need to poison the people faster than they succumb to their own crapulence, and that is the "safe" and "smart" strategy for elites. Aristocracies go far out of their way to not produce anything as a rule, because this puts them in a situation where they will have to keep producing and find a way to destroy any product so it doesn't reach the hands of commoners. Any product or value aristocracy wants is little more than the value of human suffering itself. Its chief commodities are opium, pornography, and all forms of rot that accelerate the death rate. That IS value now. That is what will replace capitalism, what will replace the remnants of the liberal order, and already has to a large extent. There is no "off button" for this. We're locked into it for at least 40 years, probably 50.
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>>481779
>A law against serious discussion about the war events produced enough chilling effect in the academy
Interesting, elaborate?
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>>481765
>neoliberalism is absolutely not to be conflated with fascism.
There are similarities tho, like both fascists and neoliberals steal from the public via privatization. They both serve the most reactionary chauvinistic imperial finance bourgoisie.

>fascism on the other hand is bringing a state in to resuscitate a domestic economy by forcefully suppressing revolutionary fervor and workers' movements.

Marget thatcher ordered death squats to break up miners strikes so…

Fascism distinguishes it self by committing national suicide on behalf of capital. That certainly is what Nazi Germany did in ww2.

>Neoliberalism at its core is about getting the government out of the way of capitalists so that idealized market forces can allow the formation of monopolies

Some neo-liberals are genuine free marketeers, but many neo-libs are not principled, they just side with monopolies, they toot the free market when it benefits monopolies, but they will seek government intervention to uphold monopolies when the market forces don't go their way.


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