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 No.489611[Reply]

Anarcho-capitalism is impossible because no ideal society is possible, anarchy is disobedience to authority and free association and communism is a movement that abolishes the present state of things, not a society. If our history is class struggle then thinking about the future society is a distraction from it. Nothing but praxis matters, the strength of the far-left isn't that its ideal societies are better but rather that they actually do shit instead of sitting on the Internet all day and mining crypto or voting in elections and marching on meaningless protests that lead nowhere and achieve nothing or supporting economic superpowers that don't care about them and barely acknowledge their existence.

Go read Bordiga or Negri or whatever, I dunno.
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 No.490513

>>490511
>Meanwhile people literally starved to death in Ukraine.
Notably, for the last time in history in a region with regular famines records for centuries.
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 No.490574

>>490456
>>490457
capitalism is the contradiction between bourgeois social relations and the forces of production
a capitalist economy is the general market of commodities produced for profit through privately ownership of the means of production
the capitalist mode of production is the specifically capitalist surplus extraction mechanism constituted by a wage contract formed between legally free and equal parties
(different modes of production can coexist within the same society within the constraints of the dominant mode of production)
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 No.490575

>>490574
You didn't address my critique of this mealy-mouthed imprecision at all. Did slavery and feudalism become not-slavery and not-feudalism when the state did the same thing private individuals did? Will you seriously call what the German Empire did in the 19th century not-capitalism because the state came in and arranged wage labor and production?
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 No.490579

>>490575
>You didn't address my critique of this mealy-mouthed imprecision at all
thats because i didnt intend to
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 No.490587

>>490446
Anarcho-capitalism is mostly a post-pubescent ideology

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 No.490583[Reply]

I think reason why we are so unpopular is due to us being cuntish.
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 No.490584

I think trusting entities who's only purpose is profit is insane.
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 No.490586

See >>489628

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 No.490362[Reply]

The Second `French Revolution`

Is increasingly clear there is an intense fight to eliminate nationalism.
Who and why have almost become irrelevant at the face of severity and urgency of the situation.
But my best guest is that the wealthy class coupled with ideological groups like academic communists clique and religious groups (there are intersecting circles as well as opposing circles on other issues. because life is not that simple). They all formed an alliance to suffocate and wipe out nationalism.

Humanity needs to make a choice. Either let it play out and accept the ideals of a unity and try to eradicate the racial differences. Or embrace the differences and take step towards the next level of the nation-sate: ethno-state.


Shall we aspire for popular uprisings to protect the national identities as second 'French Revolution' {actually a Polish Revolution or a Balkan Revolution or a European Spring?} (Since the French is digested anyway by the wealthy global ruling elite) against the global clique of nameless families and individuals who have been pulling the strings behind the scenes for far too long?

(I Dont wanna seem like I like Europeans, I want African states to set colonialism tribunals to punish to EUropeans and demans $trillions in reparations)

{I focus on europe because it is the region getting the most rape from the global ruling class and become their lab for the ethnic experiment. but I guess CHina and India is far from their reach at the moment anyway.}

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 No.490408

>>490385
>>490385
workers? wake up Neo, its no 1800s-1920s anymore. things change a lot. workers arent so important anymore also businesses evolved way beyond from those times. a person sitting on a desk can create incredible wealth, the workers cannot run business anymore.
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 No.490411

>>490408
Nah dude you are being myopic.
Something cannot come from nothing. You will always need labor. Most labor today is done over seas by children though and Chinese. That's what allows you to sit at your cush desk job. I worked a desk job for three years and I couldn't take it. There's more to life than that.
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 No.490430

>>490408
>workers arent so important anymore
>a person sitting on a desk can create incredible wealth
Who creates wealth? Workers.
If they know how to create the wealth then they're already operating the business. They're just not receiving the value they create.
This is marxism 101 dumbass. Why are you here peddling infantile pro-capitalist takes?
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 No.490581

>>490430
who created the wealth of apple an nvidia(((????))) can workers own and run these companies?
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 No.490582

>be me
>go into every thread on leftychan.net with a list of corporations
>"but SURELY u all will agree that the self-made capitalist owner of [name of random company from my list] had more to do with the value of the company than the thousands of workers whose knowledge and labor is actually required to design, manufacture, and transport the products!!!"

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 No.488824[Reply]

Shitlibs seem to think that conservative politicians genuinely believe in their bs if they're not outright Nazis who want to establish the Fourth Reich. But what do you think? Do conservatives genuinely believe what they're saying or are they just vicarious parasites who say it just so the proles leave them alone with their complaints and are actually absolute deviants behind the scenes?
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 No.490519

>>488824
First and foremost they are pedophiles
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 No.490552

>>488824
most politicians don't believe in their own view. political views exist purely to attach people to certain politicians, to get votes, and eventually get bribed either way. politics is a shitshow and the current democratic system sucks.
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 No.490553

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>>490552
>democratic
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 No.490561

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>>488824
>Trump
Is a 90s Democrat the only reason he is considered "conservative" is because the overton window has moved so far to the Left.

>Putin
You know literally nothing about him that hasn't been filtered through western propaganda.
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 No.490565

>>490561
Truno flip flopped between Democrat and Republican for years.
He's a fiercely independent libertarian.

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 No.490487[Reply]

Will Isreal nuke all the major cities in the middle east to expand and force God to armegeddon and bring back jesus christ?

or the religion is not real? or would nuking all middle east prove israels, evengelicals, or the arabs god or lack there of?
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 No.490488

>>490487
I think they might use nukes if they are invaded and about to lose.
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 No.490494

>>490487
>Will Isreal nuke all the major cities in the middle east to expand and force God to armegeddon and bring back jesus christ?
This is a bafflingly idiotic false dichotomy. The idea that the Christian concept of the Second Coming has anything to do with the Zionist nationstate called "Israel" is a lie made up to sell Zionism. Pre-Zionist Christian eschatology didn't hinge anything on a modern colonization project. Even the idea that a "Jewish return" would necessitate genocide was contradicted in scripture - it was a product of Zionists like Herzl (an atheist) and others whose plan was to colonize Palestine and forcibly remove the Christians and Muslims in order to do so. Zionism was gradually inserted into Christianity with increasing frequency during the 20th century, often very cynically, as in the case of the influential "Scofield Reference Bible," which was likely commissioned by a Zionist named Samuel Untermyer.

There are, today, Evangelicals in the US who would insist that this interpretation is the only one, but American Evangelicalism is basically a state religion with a bunch of political functions at this point, and stuff like Christian Zionism and "prosperity gospel" would, at other times, have been viewed as heresy.

On top of that, your question is built on a premise that only God as interpreted by Christian Evangelical Zionists is relevant to this question. I won't ask how old you are, but it's a really astonishingly naive premise. Even religious Jewish Zionists, who apparently exist, don't predicate their belief in God on the Evangelical Zionist narrative that killing all the non-Jews in Palestine will bring Jesus back and then all the non-Christians will burn forever. Jews don't believe Jesus was the messiah, of course religious Jewish Zionists don't predicate their religious or political beliefs on bringing back someone they consider to be a false prophet! They reject the New Testament! It's part of being Jewish. There are some Jewish people who believe Menachem Scheerson was the messiah, there were some Jewish people who believed Sabbatai Zevi was the messiah, but religious Jews in general do not believe Jesus of Nazareth was the messiah, so any conception of a "second coming" is dismissed.

Muslims believe in the Abrahamic God, and also believe tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.490448[Reply]

The Empire is about to murder millions of people, both through the new concentration camp, the already existing ones, and now through taking away what little medical coverage the American poor had. How many millions of people must die before liberals realise this is bigger than Trump, bigger than the two party system, bigger than the endless game "my guy vs their guy" ad infinitum?
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 No.490449

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>How many millions of people must die before liberals realise
Does it ever work like that? Liberals don't care until it affects them personally.
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 No.490452

>>490449
sadly true. I can only hope that this effects them enough that it wakes some of them up. I know that sounds fucked up, but at least then something good would come of it.
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 No.490464

>>490448
>How many millions of people must die before liberals realise
Infinity. Libtards are every bit as much the enemy as the most extreme vicious rightoids.
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 No.490475

>>490448
It appears that this has also increased the rate of de-dollarisation, as well as lower the dollar's international exchange rate.
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 No.490477

>>490464
The key here is that none of this is totally innate.
Literally anyone can come to their senses wrt certain things - Palestine has been a great indicator of that. There are MAGA people (not counting celebrities & politicians, I mean normal MAGA-infected people specifically here) whose beliefs in general are fucking insane who still have been horrified by the foreign wars & genocide, and whose worldview on those specific things falls closer to reality than the MSM narrative does. "Liberals" start to break out of the mind prison when they realize, too, like the "lesser evil" narrative completely fucking collapsed last year to the extent that even libs realized they didn't have a moral highground to try to guilt trip people into "vote blue no matter who" - I'm aware that fucking DNC freaks on twitter still did it, but nobody I knew IRL would, there was a genuine sense of shame. A lot of them are still frustratingly… complacent… but more are becoming aware of the contradictions now, even though they're still trying to keep up with the puppet show. Something I'm realizing is that the truth just fucking hurts a lot of people, actually facing the implications as opposed to merely saying it is difficult even for people whose class interests really aren't served by this sheer brutality.

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 No.490412[Reply]

I wonder why people almost never assassinate the wealthy class and the special interest group leaders.
I dont condone any assassination but Im just saying that that when politicians do things people hate its not like the politicians do things alone.

And damn that country you know which one shouldnt kill Mr K. for nukes.

and killing people wont solve the main systemic problems so never think of it.
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 No.490415

>>490412
>I wonder why people almost never assassinate the wealthy class and the special interest group leaders.
That's not true, during feudalism, rulers and their entourage got killed frequently, some of that was intrigue in ruling circles but a significant part was people exercising democracy by lethal means. Many kings and queens got un-elected by "cutting edge technology".

I think that the introduction of bourgeois democracy made systems bend enough to the demands of populations that lethal democracy became uncommon.

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 No.490283[Reply]

Who is the most evil man in history and why is it Leon Trotsky?
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 No.490284

>>490283
There definitely was a trot to neocon pipeline, so there is that.

To be fair the neocons did more damage to the US empire than the Soviets ever did. Maybe they played 3d Backgammon.
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 No.490310

Leon Trotsky was based. Fuck you

By the way, she's literally me fr fr!!!
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjcU4bE6/
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 No.490336

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 No.490251[Reply]

Why is the left so fucking censorship/ban happy? Even on leftist forums, .orge and behind closed doors, you basically just cannot have discussion or acknowledge very real issues, because they sometimes are tangentially aligned to right wing narratives. This is also a problem in itself, the idea that the right is ALWAYS WRONG, when they just clearly isn't true, sometimes we are the ones who are spouting bullshit (usually from a place of idealism) and they turn out to be the ones that were acting in good faith.
A good example is Immigration, the left censored debate on this so hard, that it ceded the entire ground to the right. Now you have mass rape gangs, quality of life imploding in high immigrant areas, ethnic enclaves, increasing crime, lowered civicism and the left is still going "IF YOU DON'T WANT JASMINE SCENTED SEX WITH IMMIGRANTS YOU ARE A NAZI" while the far-right literally overtake the Establishment in polling because they actually address working class concerns.
You can see this as well with the rise of genuine antisemitism, Left censored the debate on Jews so hard, that when it turns out, shock horror, duplicitous religious psychopaths, are in fact, duplicitious religious psychopaths in a way everyone can BRAZENLY SEE, then it's the far-right who are the only ones with a narrative. Despite the fact, Christians and Muslims are also duplicitous religious psychopaths and push their bad faith bullshit as well, but because the far-right control the narrative because they never self-censored, they dominate the debate.
It's just wild to me, that Leftists, on sites like .orge, can't even engage in good faith debate, without crying for banhammer. They do realize that Banhammers don't actually exist in real life right?
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 No.490292

>>490251
I dunno but it's very frustrating for me as a free speech absolutist on the left, I feel like there is no community for me on the internet. Right wingers are retarded on most issues so even if you're not censored you will be mobbed by pure idiocy if you talk about stuff like economics, but left wing communities are like a minefield where any small transgression against one of their sacred cows will end up with you expelled entirely.
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 No.490293

>>490292
There's not such thing as a free speech "absolutist", don't fall into that propaganda trap. You're either for speech without qualifications or you're not a free speech advocate.
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 No.490295

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>>490291
>This topic is controversial in certain marxist spaces because people are very attached to ideas of productivism in marxism.
Marx said that when a mode of production becomes a fetter on the productive forces that's when material forces impose a change in the mode of production. As example he states that feudalism was holding back industrial productive forces that's ultimately the reason why it was changed into capitalism (and in some places into a soviet style industrial system).
You would have a very hard time arguing that productivism isn't central to marxism. Pay attention that productivism in marxism means that a given amount of labor-time gives you more use-value. Capitalists have a looser definition where they make no distinction between more efficient production processes and simply making people work longer for the same pay. Marxists genuinely consider the latter as lowering productivity, which is the polar opposite of how bourgeois economics sees it.

We have to take into account the physics perspective, specifically statistical mechanics and thermodynamics. That teaches us that configurations of matter that are more effective at maximizing entropy are significantly more likely to exist over those configurations of matter that are worse at entropy-maxing. This is the very reason that life exists at all. If the sun keeps shining at a piece of dirt for long enough, eventually a plant will evolve simply because matter arranged as a plant is better at maxing entropy than matter arranged as bare dirt. (If you care about the physics, atoms jiggle that's called Brownian motion. The jiggling allows atoms to re-arrange at random, the configs that maxes more entropy are more stable, as in less likely to be jiggled into a different config, hence why you end up with the matter-configs that entropy-max real good )

For societies that dynamic holds true. Agrarian societies were displaced by industrial societies because industrial machines were better at maxing entropy. But there is more to this, in nature there are 2 ways of increasing entropy. You can grow trees and deer to increase entropy, but you can also have a big forest-fire. At the level of societies the parrallels are, you can have lots of production or alternatively you can have big wars. In general terms you can increase entropy bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.490296

>>490295
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If you care about preserving the biosphere, by for example reducing the use of fossil fuels to lower CO² emissions, you have to find a way to displace fossil fuels by going to a method of energy production that makes more energy, (to beat the fossils at entropy-maxing). Nuclear for example could significantly out-compete fossil fuels in terms of how much energy you get, there might be a way to have power-generation eat the plutonium from those nukes, which would shut that box of Pandora's.
90% Renewables + Nuclear isn't hard, with most going to Renewables.
It just requires a smart grid, doing a smart grid, would knock out 50% of energy requirements due to efficiency gains. Through Renewables/Nuclear as well, you knock out the majority of cargo shipping emissions which are used to transport fossil fuels.
Issue is we live in a world where the state has given up to Capitalist logic, so the state doesn't give a shit about electrification of everything and a smart grid. If we had a planned economy, we probably would have largely finished electrification by 2010s and moved onto solving some element of Carbon capture (my suspect this will be done through biohacking plants to make them far more efficient carbon stores)
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 No.490297

>>490296
>90% Renewables + Nuclear isn't hard, with most going to Renewables.
I agree with renewables + nuclear is the way to go, but the ratio you suggest is unrealistic. Technically nuclear is renewable too, if you are good enough at nuclear physics. Renewables are excellent for residential and less power intensive sectors of the economy. However for high energy demand industries, it's not suitable. Wind, solar,… capture very dispersed forms of energy, to concentrate all that power to one spot, where a giant industrial machine uses it, you need a giant web of cables. Installing a nuclear power plant is much better for that application.
As for the ratio i think 50/50 green/atomic is probably about right. In the very long run nuclear might become the bigger share because it's got less space constraints, especially if we figure out nuclear fusion.

>It just requires a smart grid, doing a smart grid, would knock out 50% of energy requirements due to efficiency gains.
I don't know what you mean, and i kinda associate the word "smart" with enshitification of electronic gadgets. Something to be avoided. What exactly makes a grid "smart" ? My hunch is that you want to conform energy demand to energy production. Meaning that people have to schedule their energy consumption to happen when the sun shines and the wind blows. People in a society do not behave like members of a orchestra or a dance choreography, they are not going submit to that level of discipline. If you want my advice go for energy storage if possible. It'll also increase grid stability and it will reduce the time pressure on maintenance work.

If you think that efficiency gains reduce power demand, you are wrong, that is demonstrably incorrect. Efficiency gains are obviously nice and very desirable, however they are not a substitute for energy.

>Through Renewables/Nuclear as well, you knock out the majority of cargo shipping emissions which are used to transport fossil fuels.
Most oil and gas gets transported through pipelines. But you could do cargoships with nuclear reactors or sails (or the more efficient rotor-sails, which are spinning tubes instead of big sheets of fabric). I will admit that nuclear reactors would have to be idiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.487320[Reply]

when it will be over for eu

what do you think on european union in general
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 No.487535

>>487531
do you think normal tanks aren't like that ?
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 No.487536

>>487535
actually gas ballons explode rather not violently so if you mount them some where outside in the save place (at the top)
they most likely won't damage a tank (at least the polymer ones)
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 No.487927

So, do I go to Balkan from Portugal then?
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 No.490183

This is so embarrassing…

https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/1935187633145024933
US Can Incapacitate European Fighter Jets With "the Push of a Button" — Belgian MEP.

Belgian Member of the European Parliament, Marc Botenga has expressed his deep concern over European economic, political and military subservience to the United States, even as the Trump administration threatens to take Greenland from EU and NATO member, Denmark.

He criticized the response from some European officials to spend more money on American weaponry, stating:

"We know that these F-35 fighter jets are controlled by the US. I'm exaggerating a little bit, but it is enough for the US to just push a button for them not to take off. So we are not going to defend our own country or our own continent against the United States with their own weapons.

Botenga, from the Worker's Party of Belgium, has been a member of the European Parliament since 2019.
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 No.490187

>>490183
I don't know how to think about this.

At one level this means the F35 has a design defect. Because this, lets call it "remote kill switch" probably can be figured out and used by others, not just the US, so the F35 might at some point not work at all. Considering that Iran might have shot down one or several F35 jets, that might happen depending on how intact the wreckage is.

The other level is that yeah it was not very clever to buy this. To be fair sometime weapons systems are bought to be reverse engineered.

Anyway based Botenga for pointing the finger at Fighter DRM

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