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Post Copy pastas, videos and books which debunk common Fascist, Liberal talking points which are repeated often.
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I looked at a few of the socialist subs on lemmy, they seemed to have lots of strange people who combine aspects of liberal social values and aspects of medieval religious fervor. Might check out the GenZedong community you mentioned tho.

I don't know if popularity is a desirable quality anymore, reddit is very popular but it also glows hard and many subs have ruling ideology enforcement.

Reddit use to be fun when it had more of the "hacktivist ethos" of people like Aaron Swartz, back when the internet was mostly free and corporate astro-turfing as well as state glowies were less able to wreck good communities.

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A list of reading groups and their schedules that have chosen to advertise themselves here. Take a minute to check them out. If you would like to promote your reading group, feel free to leave a comment telling people where they can go.

>>5912 /read/

>>6162 Continental Floppa
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I really like the picture in OP. More like it plz.

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petite-bourgeois who must pay their way in thanks to public debt at the proletariat's expense. Proletarians, who have high autism score, get in for mostly for free in America. College is the only hope, otherwise the proletarian must work and die at backbreaking and subsistence wage construction, Mcdonald, or walmart.

The problem is all of these petite-bourgeois failsons speculate both in regards to their ability and the value of the degree, not that it is hard to access. These failures cannot get scholarships. Even under socialism, the petite-bourgeois will be price gouged by state monopoly to make way for the proletariat.


This has been studied a great deal, people who have extra ordinary high intelligence, rarely turn up in positions of academic prestige or high posts in organizations. The people with genius level brains mostly end up in relatively mundane professions. Maybe our present societies lacs the appropriate interface for highly intelligent brains or something.

You're out of your mind if you think we'd paywall knowledge or learning in socialism. Quite the opposite we'd pay people to learn shit or get skills.

Scholarships are not an excuse to exclude the masses from knowledge or learning. It doesn't count as empowering the proletariat unless it's available to the entire proletariat.


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Most of mankind's problems are solved only after leaving the confines of schooling


>Most of mankind's problems are solved only after
the proletariat takes over the reigns ?

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Since /leftypol/ is downright autistic at times I decided to make a Debunk thread where anticommunist arguments are presented with their debunks by users.
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there is no debunking, soviet economic statistics were shit, with firms and, as you pointed out, even whole fucking republics reporting false figures to get gibs by meeting and overshooting plan targets

and that is not even touching on the specifics of GDP statistics in centrally planned economies where prices do not reflect SNLT but are pulled out of the planner's ass after countless lobbyists had their way with him

which is especially funny when Cockshott brings up those GDP figures as an argument, even tho retard perfectly knows there was no in-built mechanism to bring prices in accordance with SNLT like in capitalism, so Soviet GDP means jack shit


this is in general a problem of reliability of economic information which I consider the main problem for any planned economy

while capitalism doesn't need reliable information to arrive at SNLT due to competition, planning economy REQUIRES it

which in turn brings a whole bunch of questions about what type of society could potentially provide such reliable information

but I can tell you one thing for ceratain lol - vanguardoid informationally repressed soyciety is not one of them


<"The Soviet Institute of the Economy estimates that as much as 3 percent of industrial production and from 5 to 25 percent of raw material output is falsified."
I don't know about those figures, but they probably did have inaccurate accounting.
Capitalist companies cook their books too, so capitalism isn't looking any better.

GDP figures are a distortion of reality if you use it to gauge production, but probably less so in the Soviet Case.

In capitalism GDP increases
- if somebody buys and sells stock certificates
- if a factory burns down and the capitalist collects fire-insurance money.
- GDP increases with rising rents.
In all those cases no production is taking place. The Soviets didn't have stock markets, and not much rent or insurance. So Soviet GDP figures probably deviate much less from production than capitalist GDP figures.

To be fair GDP was never intended to compare different economies, you were only supposed to use it for tracking the development of a specific economy over time. Also it wasn't always as shit. If you invent a metric, eventually people will figure out how to game the system, and then you have to deprecate the metric. GDP (Gross Domestic Product) has largely been abandoned in favor of PPP (Purchasing Power Parity), which is a much better metric. At least for the time being, eventually PPP numbers will be gamed as well.
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>but probably less so in the Soviet Case.
Capitalism has a mechanism of competition to drive prices to SNLT.

What mechanism did your vanguardoid shit had?

>In capitalism GDP

All that can be accounted for

You can just take FIRE out

While in Soviet case you need to fucking look at energy consumption and shit to even get a rough estimate of output lol

>Calculated prices in socialist centrally planned economies generally are better a tracking rational resource allocation optimums.

Maybe in your imagination lol. In ACTUALLY EXISTING SOYCIALISM nobody even had ANY IDEA in what range SNLT was lol.
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The Soviets lacked the computer resources to fully plan their economy, they still had to rely on partial markets.

Sufficient computer resources exist now, it's possible to make the planning system calculate the prices you would get from a perfect competition, without any market distortions from monopolies.

You only need the consumer feed-back to know whether people want a given product for a given price.

Markets lack a signalling feature for consumers to signal that they want a product that nobody is making yet. I don't know whether that can be added to markets, but for a socialist planning system, it's very easy to add this because there already is a polling system for surplus allocation priority, that makes it trivial.

Many other economic aspects will become easier too, you'll be able to establish new workplace simply by convincing workers to start contributing labor-inputs. That'll be much simpler than the complicated ways of starting a business.

The purpose of the vanguard will only be to bootstrap sortition democracy and socialist cybernetic planning, they won't have to make political and economic decisions. After the system runs it will reproduce it self. You won't need heavy handed political repression to keep it going, civil society will be able to defend this effortlessly.

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Since most anons here seem clueless about what masculinity actually is, and only seem comfortable posturing about what it isn't, I thought I'd help you.

>The Way of Men

>By Jack Donovan

Read this and maybe (no promises) it will help exorcise the faggy zeitgeist from your skinnyfat body.

While most of you probably won't be able to handle this book (due to deeply engrain ego attachment to muhleftism), a small percentage might. This is for that latter minority.
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>I feel like we have more highly tuned predator sensors in our brains
Now you are stereotyping women, and it's weird to reference a universal "we" as if all women were members of the same club. Anyway women can engage in predatory behavior also.

>Tinder sounded like a speedrun to getiing raped or waking up with a few sellable organs missing

Risky ? yes.
A front for a organ-harvesting ring, i doubt it.


My reasoning is the same reason women have an in-built ability to see more shades of orange and red to spot berries and stuff. Dimorpism was more prominent to survival at one point to men being able to defend / hunt while women gather, strategize and sound the alarm was a strat when people were still barely making a living. If you have something to refute that then I'll conceed as I don't feel strongly about this.
>A front for a organ-harvesting ring, i doubt it.
Not like that. It's like if they made craigslist but for dating. I got the desk I'm using rn off craigslist, it's sturdy and the guy I bought it from was pretty chill. You're still gambling your kidney each time you use it tho, and dating being a touchy-kissy thing seems even more so.


Sexual dimophism means that male predators and female predators are statistically likely to use different strategies. For example men are more likely to use intimidation while women are more likely to use deception. But it does not mean that men are predators and women are prey.

Sexed color perception being the result of hunter gatherer division of labor, certainly makes for a compelling story, but have you checked it ? The bare minimum would be looking for research that confirms or refutes that women are in fact better at spotting nuts and berries.

It's plausible that in primitive society men would have the duty to defend the tribe. But i don't think that humans were really besieged by beasts. Most wild animals avoid groups of humans, even many apex predators that are stronger than humans, do. So there is at least the consideration that by the time the modern homo-sapience came along our ancestors were already the dominant species. My guess would be that humans were really effective at hunting most large animals into near extinction and therefore the surviving ones inherited instinct or learned behavior of avoiding humans. I think that women probably also hunted, probably not big game with spears and nets but archery seems plausible. Many women seem to enjoy it as a hobby today.

On what are you basing your assumption that there are organ harvesting gangs lurking behind second-hand trade and hook-up apps? If you have an insight where the organ harvesting gangs are stalking their victims these days. You probably can get rich off that by organizing what would be a modern day bounty-hunter guild. Like being the go-between of private investigators, private security and police.


>But it does not mean that men are predators and women are prey.
Ah I see the confusion, I meant like women might be more on alert for predators as a whole, not just men. Woman sees eyes in bush, shouts, man stabs bush.
>have you checked it?
I've been meaning to make a notebook / git repo where I keep notes on this sorta thing so I can actually substantiate my opinions whenever I spout them but I end up overcomplacating the project. I should just pick a technique and stick with it, not try to reimplament my entire worldview all at once.
>I think that women probably also hunted, probably not big game with spears and nets but archery seems plausible.
Oh certainly, especially the archery part, I've just been under the impression the genders would sway more toward specific tasks, but it couldn've been hard lines.
>On what are you basing your assumption that there are organ harvesting gangs lurking behind second-hand trade and hook-up apps?
Heard stories about it, again neglecting to keep note of the source. No statistics though, just anecdotes.


This is just a big fat cope written by some homosexual neo-nazi.

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In Socialist Albania:

Increased life expectancy 11 months every year

First country in the world to achieve complete electrification

Death rate 37% lower than European average

Quadrupled doctors per capita in 18 years

Population growth 3.5 times higher than European average

(Further reading: https://etheses.lse.ac.uk/2870/1/U615819.pdf)
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fatalism is stupid

The feudal monarchical structures in pre-revolutionairy Russia never stood a chance, they were 100 years behind on industrial development. If there hadn't been a communist revolution, there might have been a bourgeois revolution which probably would have been a lot more destructive. Or possible an imperial occupation by a more powerful capitalist country, which would also have been a brutal affair.

The dissolution of the Soviet system wasn't inevitable, that system could have been reformed. Even a regression to capitalism could have been done without neo-liberal shock doctrine killing millions.

So no, your comparison doesn't track.


>so "most MLs" are not vanguardists anymore?
Vanguardism never was a end in it self, it was a means to keep opportunistic sell-outs from hijacking political power to enrich them selves at the expense of wrecking the socialist project.
Since we now have the ability to achieve the same thing with other much more pleasant means, like sortition and democratic polling, we use those. If you want you still can have a vanguard that bootstraps these other means.

>I really can't wrap my head around how you retards are gonna square the circle that direct democracy is ANTITHETICAL to political party as an ORGANIZATIONAL FORM

The goal is to build a socialist society that operates a socialist mode of production, the political party is just a means to that end. If there's a better way we'll use that.
>Lenin would've shot you if you told him party form is gotta go
Probably, but in the early 20th century the communication technology couldn't have facilitated democratic polling, so there was no alternative to the "party form". State-of-the-art technology of that time were telegraph machines.


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>who thought USSR required a political revolution to fully complete its transition to socialism
which, if you really think about it, is beyond ironic: Real Existing Socialism was far more threatened by the real proletarian uprising than capitalism ever was lol (solidarity fucking killed PRL even with the martial law, enormous crowds of proles made SCSE officials shit their pants live on tv, Chechoslovakia descended into fucking chaos lol)

tho I'm not so sure soyciety in vid related is capable of any historically progressive revolution at all (not that capitalist soyciety is capable of any either lol)


>fatalism is stupid
histmat is deterministic (in the sense of irreversible processes)

>If there hadn't been a communist revolution, there might have been a bourgeois revolution which probably would have been a lot more destructive.

there WAS a bourgeois revolution (February revolution) lol

it fucking failed because of ww1

this is fucking BASICS

>that system could have been reformed

could it really, tho? lol

this actually re-poses the old question on a new level: reform or revolution in the Real Existing Soycialism?
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>It's good but it collapsed
this is equivalent to saying
<It's bad because it collapsed
But that's retarded anon. It didn't collapse because conditions were bad for the average worker. It collapsed because of internal and external political reasons. We should acknowledge their successes and failures and try again but avoiding the failures.

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Which constructed international language is best?

Esperanto is the most well-known but has many flaws and has no interest in correcting any of them.

Ido is an improved Esperanto but that's like calling it the thinnest kid at fat camp.

Novial is pretty good but it splintered too much towards the end and never recovered.

Occidental isn't bad but it reads like "Novial v0.7".

Interlingua tries hard but it reads like it wants to be all things for all people and winds up being nothing good for anyone.

What's leftchan's take on international languages?


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I'm a looser burger that only knows one language and part of another language (korean) but I have never actively used it so I lost my ability to speak it really sort of fluently at all.


I'm not sure what you are looking for. You haven't mentioned Lojban, that's also a semi famous constructed language. It tries to be syntactically unambiguous.

>What's leftchan's take on international languages?

here is a list of most commonly spoken organic languages (native and non-native combined)

1. English 1,348 b
2. Mandarin Chinese 1.120 b
3. Hindi 600 m
4. Spanish 543 m
5. Standard Arabic 274 m
6. Bengali 268 m
7. French 267 m
8. Russian 258 m
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About not listing other conlangs, your point is valid. I could have listed off another 20 or so but didn't want to overburden the initial post.


Yeah I like the reform approach. I try to lump words together in english like german does, because I appreciate the feature. Like carengine for instance


Yes compound words are a nice linguistic feature, just don't overdo it by creating comically long words

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Hey Comrades! The ideas of Max Stirner (lived at the time of Marx) somehow appeal to me. As I understood he basically says that morality and religious and social norms are void (called them "spooks"). By freeing oneself of these concepts, one can follow one's own will. By cooperation and mutual interest one can then happily coexist and live with other individuals.
What are your thoughts on that?


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You should probably ask >>>/dead/.


Cool thanks, didn't know this board exists.


/edu/ isn't restricted to marxism only…


It is now. Try and stop us.

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still remember this shit from public school(elementary to middle school) where it usually was cut into desks by kids being fuckwits. dont get why/how this is memed so much to make it across pretty much across most of the continents. At least, it pisses off west pests. anyone got any decent insight about this? wikipedia fuckin sucks
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that swastika shaped building in the third picture is a barracks at Naval Base Coronado near San Diego.


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they're out there somewhere…. out in the wild wastes of the north americas and euro trashlands

The West Has Fallen. Billions Must Die
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And yet here you are, posting from the western capitalist country that won the cold war, from the comfort of your mom's basement, on a phone or computer reliant completely on a capitalist supply chain, and not being gulaged for posturing like an edgy political dissident
<Wow much successful!!!

>I'm so worldly and smart

Do you even have a passport? What was the last book you read that wasn't written by a self professed leftist or communist?

This whole post comes across like a manifest statement of Dunning Kruger syndrome.

Literally every country got materially better off during the 20th century.

The USSR got caught with their pants down when the Nazis invaded and we're reliant on the American lend lease program after that. Had Hitler not been such a schizo retard and didn't invade the Soviet Union in the first place, Stalin would have maintained his literal alliance with Nazi Germany.

>The USSR had tons of freedoms

Ah yes, you could just decide where to live, where you wanted to work, could take a vacation whenever you wanted. /S
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Also Comrade Dunning Kruger,

You really need to work on establishing a better sleep schedule


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>western capitalism won the first cold war
Yes but it's also loosing the second cold war. Might makes right philosophies are retarded and self defeating in the long term because nobody has superior strength all the time. Ultimately the only thing the cold war proves, is that western capitalism could not compete against Soviet socialism on peaceful terms.


Remember that the US imprisons roughly 5 times as many people as the USSR did, the level of hypocrisy is earth-shattering. If you are complaining about the political repression in the soviet union, that did exist, but you have to consider how utterly brutal the repression against communists was before the revolution. They did not retaliate in kind, if they had done that… It would have been something else.

>a phone or computer reliant completely on a capitalist supply chain

This argument isn't coherent because all the stuff gets made by workers, not the capitalists that own the means of production. But it's still funny because most gadgets have Made in China written on it. So their made by a bunch of workers in a communist country.

>a manifest statement of Dunning Kruger syndrome.

insult =/= argument

>Literally every country got materially better off during the 20th century.

That's probably not entirely true, but even if it was, the meteoric rise of socialist countries that managed to double their life expectancy within one generation during the process of industrialization, is something no capitalist country got even close to realizing.
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You're AI has an anti-soviet bias and it's doing the Neo-liberal thing where it pretends to not be ideological. Also it has reading comprehension issues, the post it replied to said that capitalism could not compete on peaceful terms.

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