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 No.2035[Reply]

In Section VI of Wages Price and Profit, Marx explains that prices approximate the true value of a commodity, but only over time as supply and demand average out. Having established this, he goes on to argue against the fallacy that profit is obtained by selling commodities above their value:

>If then, speaking broadly, and embracing somewhat longer periods, all descriptions of commodities sell at their respective values, it is nonsense to suppose that profit, not in individual cases, but that the constant and usual profits of different trades spring from surcharging the prices of commodities, or selling them at a price over and above their value. The absurdity of this notion becomes evident if it is generalized. What a man would constantly win as a seller he would as constantly lose as a purchaser. It would not do to say that there are men who are buyers without being sellers, or consumers without being producers. What these people pay to the producers, they must first get from them for nothing. If a man first takes your money and afterwards returns that money in buying your commodities, you will never enrich yourselves by selling your commodities too dear to that same man. This sort of transaction might diminish a loss, but would never help in realizing a profit.


Marx's argument against a fallacy rampant in the present day seems like it would be incredibly useful to learn, I cannot for the life of me parse what he is talking about. Thus, instead of ignoring this aside I come to /edu/'s help in making sense of it. To break it down:

&ltWhat a man would constantly win as a seller he would as constantly lose as a purchaser.
If every transaction in capitalism can be understood abstractly as buyers and sellers entering a marketplace - representing supply and demand by changes in stalls, shoppers, and salesmen, for instance - then each transaction with an arbitrary percentage of profit x applied would even out. This is what I assumed this sentence to mean at first. But even if this were the case, could each successive capitalist in the line from raw material to finished product not add a surplus onto the successively increasing true value of the increasingly complex commodity? Marx might say that the competition between capitalists (ignoring supply and demand, which self-cancel) would force this arbitrary "profit" to increasingly diminish to almost nothing if it were to ever exisPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.2357

you faggots really don't know the answer to this? this is considered one of the easiest marxist works and you don't get it? back to /leftypol/ then.
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 No.2359

>>2357
The reason no-one answered is precisely because its so easy, idiot.
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 No.2361

>>2357
It's a dead board man;
I don't know what you were expecting


 No.1821[Reply]

>Those workers (proletarians) in the developed countries who benefit from the superprofits extracted from the impoverished workers of developing countries form an "aristocracy of labor". The phrase was popularized by Karl Kautsky in 1901
I'm noticing this really is a recurring theme with Lenin, but I'll leave this for another thread…
>and theorized by Vladimir Lenin in his treatise on Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. [b]According to Lenin, companies in the developed world exploit workers in the developing world where wages are much lower. The increased profits enable these companies to pay higher wages to their employees "at home" (that is, in the developed world), thus creating a working class satisfied with their standard of living and not inclined to proletarian revolution. It is a form of exporting poverty, creating an "exclave" of lower social class. Lenin contended that imperialism had prevented increasing class polarization in the developed world and argued that a workers' revolution could only begin in one of the developing countries, such as Imperial Russia.[/b]

By contrast, the definition within revolutionary syndicalism is that trade union bureaucracy, 'yellow unions', or social democratic unions were labelled 'labor aristocracy', (the IWW for example instead being a revolutionary industrial union, created within the orthodox Marxist theories of De Leonism).
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 No.1823

>>1822
This thread addresses Leninism primarily cunt.
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 No.1838

bump
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 No.2276

What is to be done as class-conscious proletarians of the developed countries if Revolution can only arise from developing nations, and those populations do not desire our adventurist migration there?
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 No.2280

>>2276
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neI-ol2AowM
>How to Think Like a Vietnamese Communist: An Intro to Dialectical Materialism!
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 No.2360

>>1821
>The increased profits enable these companies to pay higher wages to their employees "at home" (that is, in the developed world)

has anybody verified this using data if possible? doesn't this imply that as places like China become more 'developed' and wages rise, wages will balance out between the developed/developing world and perhaps agitate the proletariat in developed countries to revolution?


 No.2324[Reply]

I'm teaching US History I to high schoolers next year; if I can pill the more curious students (in a non-obnoxious way), that's obviously ideal.

Things I'm looking for:

1) Rapidly catching up on my own knowledge of the period. I know a bit, but US history I'm weaker on than in most subjects despite being a burgerlander myself.
2) "Antiracist" teaching resources that don't suck. I'm in a metropolitan area in the northeast so the hold of radlib thinking over the profession is quite strong; but this seems more of an opportunity to me than a problem in this case because there's a lot of overlap in themes (settler colonialism, exploitation in slavery, the construction of race, skepticism towards "patriotic" narratives, &c.) and that gives latitude to introduce things related to that even when it doesn't slot in easily to the official curriculum. Books are good, but non-book resources are better, since I love books but most high schoolers don't.
3) From those who teach HS or lower, anything more generally that they'd recommend re: navigating the profession etc (although maybe that's something that deserves a separate thread)
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 No.2346

There is some stuff on the MEGA libraries on >>/leftypol/668814
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 No.2347

>>2346
>>>/leftypol/668814
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 No.2352

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>>2324
>>2324
1) & 2)
Where to even start American history is so rich with examples of racial and capitalist development in how America was discovered at the very beginning of capitalism as a system. It would not be hard to put America into context the need for capitalists to generate wealth to fuel their home industries and put into place racist, violent systems to divide the working class. Capital Vol 1 (Part VIII) has a section describing the basis for colonization on the early history of America.
>The discovery of gold and silver in America, the extirpation, enslavement and entombment in mines of the aboriginal population, the beginning of the conquest and looting of the East Indies, the turning of Africa into a warren for the commercial hunting of black-skins, signalised the rosy dawn of the era of capitalist production. These idyllic proceedings are the chief momenta of primitive accumulation. On their heels treads the commercial war of the European nations, with the globe for a theatre. It begins with the revolt of the Netherlands from Spain, assumes giant dimensions in England’s Anti-Jacobin War, and is still going on in the opium wars against China, &c. … These methods depend in part on brute force, e.g., the colonial system. But, they all employ the power of the state, the concentrated and organized force of society, to hasten, hot-house fashion, the process of transformation of the feudal mode of production into the capitalist mode, and to shorten the transition. Force is the midwife of every old society pregnant with a new one. It is itself an economic power.

You most likely know about this but I would recommend A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn.
-The American Political Tradition And the Men Who Made it by Richard Hofstadter
-An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz
-The Road Not Taken by Lerone Bennett ( https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/essays/bennettroad.html ) Not a book and is a short one.
>What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road – but Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.2353

Oh and to add on to that there is a fair amount of relevant writing that Marx did on race/ethnicity and the American Civil War. He was a journalist for the NY Tribune https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/newspapers/new-york-tribune.htm

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1870/letters/70_04_09.htm
>And most important of all! Every industrial and commercial centre in England now possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps, English proletarians and Irish proletarians. The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life. In relation to the Irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, thus strengthening their domination over himself. He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the “poor whites” to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A.. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland.
>This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organisation. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this.

https://marxists.catbull.com/history/international/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm
>The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.1158[Reply]

Quote from the Soviet film "The Great Citizen" (1937):
"Oh, twenty years after a GOOD WAR, get out and take a look at the Soviet Union - composed of lets say thirty or forty republics."

On January 1, 1937 as part of the so-called USSR there were only 11 republics, implying that that USSR has planned to annex at least 20 European states during WW2. Communist propaganda also portrayed total war as something "good".

After the war the propaganda has drastically changed, now claiming that USSR is the "Bastion of Peace" (СССР оплот МИРА). But there is a catch, since in Russian language both "peace" and "world" have the same word "mir" (МИР). So when a Russian says "we need mir", he can mean botch "we need peace" and "we need the whole world".
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 No.2285

What the fuck does this has to do with cinema history?
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 No.2286

>>1158
Nikita, please take your meds
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 No.2293

>>1158
I've been meaning to look more into the history of Russian and Japanese cinema. Does anyone have reading recommendations on Sergei Eisenstein or Edogawa Ranpo?
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 No.2317

>>2293
>I've been meaning to look more into the history of Russian and Japanese cinema
>reading recommendations
Study their movies and read what they wrote themself. Eisenstein wrote tons of theory. Eisenstein is just a small fish in a big pound of revolutionary filmakers at the time.
But you need a bit of general cinematic culture tho, to say the least


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 No.327[Reply]

I'm a highschool drop out who never had the tension span to read anything more than 200 pages, why should I now read some 700 pages of confusing dialectics? isn't it enough to read some wikipedia articles or something? aren't there any movies that explain all the theory?
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 No.1516

>>1490
Wait
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 No.1517

>>327
>I'm a highschool drop out who never had the tension span to read anything more than 200 pages
I'm in the same boat friend. undiagnosed learning disorders. My path was to listen to audio lectures by various people. Richard Wolf is a good entry point as he has all this on youtube. Just listen to these while you're on the job or go for a walk or whatever you need to do to keep listening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkO3qsZY_U&list=PLPJpiw1WYdTNMCC0ypXHZ-kW7yCz4T0Zg

Joining a reading group helped, and I was able to read on my own for a while when I was on medication, but those ran out and were too expensive to maintain so I just kind of gave up on reading. Still feel pretty confident in my knowledge on this stuff. Asking questions on leftypol of course also useful for learning.
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 No.2191

I also don't read or like doing it a whole lot either but unfortunately it spells the difference between being cultured or not and the same also for achieving material wealth.

I find a good way to absorb written works is by listening to audiobooks while going along with the text of it without obsessing too much over trying ti process every last word.
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 No.2217

Build your attenion span up by reading genreshit that interests you and work your way up to big boy books.
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 No.2308

You're not sufficiently bored by the modern consumerist life yet. You don't have to like reading, it's just better than any other form of "entertainment" these day.


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 No.106[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

let's play a game
someone draws a historic event in paint and other people try to guess what event that person drew
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 No.1654

>>171
Sinn Fein
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 No.1655

>>585
I like how you made Fidel look like Wario
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 No.1656

>>592
Mussolini's death?
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 No.1657

>>1656
that'd be upside down
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 No.2302

>>562
The future?


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 No.2051[Reply]

So now I really started to want to really understand math and learn more concepts that I didn't learn because I never really liked it very much but now I am more interested in it. What are some resources or basic principles that I can use to understand math better?
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 No.2060

this thing + is used to put stuff together
that thing is used to take stuff away from something else
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 No.2069

There's nothing to understand, maths is arbitrary.
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 No.2070

you can use khan academy. I believe they give out free lectures and practice problems.
if you haven’t learned calculus start with that and go onto calculus 2 after. then learn multivariable calculus and linear algebra, and then differential equations. once you do that you’re at a level where you can start learning undergraduate stuff, for which most people recommend looking at the springer “undergraduate texts in mathematics” book series. I can’t say anything about it though since I’m not at that level, but you can probably find the books themselves for free on libgen.is
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 No.2190

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>>2051
take a a Mathematics proofs class (also called Set theory), you don't need to be actually that good at arithmetic to understand higher math, all you need to be able to do is manipulate equations and add fractions, its mostly applied philosophy

I am a mathematician who got C's all through calculus
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 No.2289

what kind of math are you interested in? Abstract stuff? Topology? Applied stuff? Geometry?

I recently got some students into math through working through "The Nature of Code" book/tutorials in the programming language Processing. It was a cool sort of hands on way to interact with different equations that help us define/understand natural phenomena. Creating particle simulators and cool art and all that shit. The "nature of code" is more on the physics end of things but there is a lot of cool visual stuff you can do with geometry and vectors in Processing.


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 No.1851[Reply]

Any good documentaries for oogling at the wealth amassed by America's industrialists?
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 No.2206

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Like the Gilded Age?
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 No.2287

>>1851
this one is quite good
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 No.1337[Reply]

explain in simple terms pls
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 No.2235

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 No.2238

>>1337
Marxism for people who don’t read books
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 No.2244

>>1342
so when people freak out when other people use the term "postmodern neomarxists", they're wrong?
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 No.2253

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 No.2270

>>2244
Very. Postmodernism rejects historical materialism.
https://youtu.be/U4hS5NSzPxw?t=146
(Watch from 2:26 - 3:56)


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 No.2224[Reply]

I've been working on formatting Black Bolshevik into EPUB and webpages to make it more accessible, as it's a very long book. At the moment chapters 1-3 are finished. Please contribute if you have the time.

https://github.com/scaredporky/scaredporkylib
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 No.2225

For typos and misprints, I am using this PDF as a basis of comparison http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=AAF60EC535C8BCBE403DCF8E83CB5406
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 No.2233

thanks for sharing Anon. what exactly do you need to "finish"? it looks like all the chapters are there on the page
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 No.2234

>>2233
I need to finish formatting the other chapters properly and correcting their spelling mistakes. These have just been converted from the scanned PDF as-is, so the automatic transcriptions are still a problem.
I'll keep working in this as I have time, but I appreciate any extra help as it's taking some time.
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 No.2240

how do I compile EPUBS
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 No.2256

>>2240
I've been working on the epub that generated after converting the PDF so I'm not sure how you would compile it from scratch. Here's what I have so far compiled to epub (again, only the first three chapters are finished).


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