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Any readings on what characterises a socialist state. I know dictatorship of proletariat but how do we know if there is actually a dictatorship of proles or not. I consider Maoist china to be the most clear cut example of a socialist state right now.


I asked characters of a socialist state not a revisionist one.


'Critique of the Gotha Programme' by Marx and 'State and Revolution' by Lenin discuss similar topics. In Gotha there is the discussion regarding the actual functioning of a lower-stage communist mode of production. State and Revolution discusses the nature of the State after the revolution and rise to power of the proletariat. The simple answer would be: if the interests of the revolutionary proletariat are being upheld and the state is withering away, then you're in the right path. Your example of China had instances of that for sure, as did the USSR in its early days. A proper critique and understanding of these has to go beyond simple 'definitions' of a 'socialist state'.


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I want to get into easter/soviet marxism

What authors should I read?
Why is eastern marxism so obscure for us?
What are some ideas developed by eastern marxist thinkers I should know of?
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>Legal Theory
>Obscure Subject

Is it now? That's news to me


>Giving a marxist theory of LAW is an obscure subject.

Edvard Kardelj, Reminiscences: The struggle for recognition and independence of the new Yugoslavia, 1944

Edvard Kardelj: Democracy and socialism

Edvard Kardelj: Problems of socialist policy in the countryside


Edvard Kardelj: Self-management and the Political System

Tito: https://www.marxists.org/archive/tito/1939/x01/x01.htm




I mean just read Lenin and Stalin's main works as well as Mao and his contemporaries.

As for why some of it is obscure? Because there are pragmatic policies that ignore moralistic outcries that Western Liberals don't like and do their best to suppress or attack if they cannot suppress it.

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So I got drawn in this Stanford course, a lecture without homework, a conferrable thing. But it made me thing about a lot of stuff.
The teacher is great and even though he doesn't understand the first thing about marxism he's a very scientific dude constantly referring his marxist colleges who tried hard, he gets the materialist thinker part at least.
You can watch the course there, it's fascinating really.


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Go to 1:40 for the chin theory

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A thread for the finest STEM has to offer. I'm sure there are lots of us here. In the end it is the engineers who end up ruling most socialist states somehow.

Post anything engineering related: questions, educational material, documentaries, Machines(old and new), your own projects and anything else you find interesting.
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>pi = e
i don't get it, it that a clever joke ?


This >>6393 pretty much. Not only do you lose years of salary potential even if you are funded, you will be heavily exploited and worked down into a nub. Also, the payoff won't be good, especially for a physics PhD. I have an anecdotal example: at the law firm I work at, there is an older Asian man with a physics PhD and an impressive CV filled with cutting-edge research at one of the top universities in my state. He has the same job title as me, a lowly fresh graduate with a Bachelor's.


there is this dumb trope that engineers are overly simplistic with their mathematics and approximate to much.

pi = 3.1415… approximates to pi = 3
e = 2.7182… approximates to e = 3
thus pi = e


So you're telling me I could get the same amount of money immediately working as a fresh Bachelors graduate than a fresh PhD after studying 8 years? That's depressing.


Anyone have any good engineering/technology podcasts which arent Musk-fanatics?

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Hello and welcome comrades! This is the new /read/ thread.

>What is /read/?

</read/ is a collective of marxist reading groups, hailing from /edu/ and /GET/. We are split into various different reading groups, each with different interests, goals and schedules.

We're making a new thread to let everyone know that /read/ is still very much alive. In fact, we're inviting everyone to join in for our new batch of readings! Our groups are done with previous readings, so this is the perfect time for new members to join up!

As of today, May 30th 2021, the /sniff/ group is done reading volume 1 of Capital. We have a new batch of readings planned (more on that in the post below), and all are invited to join. Meanwhile, the /tilmeeth/ group is gearing up to read Capital, so if anyone missed out on the first round, this is your chance.

As always, our website, containing our library and reading lists is: https://leftyread.neocities.org
And our Matrix Community, where all discussion happens, can be found at: https://matrix.to/#/+leftyread:matrix.org
Old thread: >>3624

Come /read/ with us!
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Here's the first proposal for a Lenin reading list. We'll discuss this in chat and decide whether to follow it or not.

>The State and Revolution

>Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism
>What is to be Done?
>"Left Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder
>The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky
>Two Tactics of Social Democracy in the Democratic Revolution
>April Theses
>The Right of Nations to Self-Determination


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oh yeah here's a related reading chart for Lenin. I like the secondary lit recommendations.


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moderation? i just want to /read/!

Troublesome times for this site, but we're carrying on the reading group alright. Tonight we had our discussion of Lenin's State and Revolution. Great book, great discussion. Seriously impressed by this one and it was very rewarding to read this book after having done Engels' "Origin of the Family…" and Marx's "18th Brumaire…" and "Civil War in France". State and Revolution is like the culmination of all of those.

Next up we will be reading "Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism". As usual, meetings are on our Matrix chat on Sundays at 10 PM UTC. It's getting late now so the website update with the ebooks will come tomorrow.


site updated, ebooks are up

the pdf sucks so get the epub


Brief update on scheduling: We've decided to postpone our discussion of Lenin's Imperialism to Aug 22. That means two weeks for reading.

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I was reading a book by Laal Khan on the history of proletarian and communist struggle in pre-Partition India and I was baffled at the fact that I had no idea about this event. This has to be the greatest rebellion/revolution in India before Partition.
>On the eve of February 19 1946, much wider layers of the Naval personnel had joined in this revolt. The union jacks on most of the ships of the Royal Indian Navy in the Bombay harbour were torn down and the rebel sailors hoisted red flags along with the flags of the political parties that were involved in the struggle for independence.

Within 48 hours the British imperialists were faced with the largest revolt ever of their Naval units. The message of this rebellion started to spread by word of mouth and then over the radio (the radio station had been taken over by the rebels) to military garrisons and barracks across India. Some of the leaders of the sailors broadcast the message of the uprising and revolutionary songs and poetry were also broadcast round the clock. The revolt spread to 74 ships, 20 fleets and 22 units of the Navy along the coast. It involved Bombay, Calcutta, Karachi, Madras, Cochin and Vishapatam. On February 20 only 10 ships and 2 naval stations were not in complete revolt.
>One of the effects of this uprising was that the British Prime Minister Clement Atlee was forced to announce that the British would leave India before June 1948.




>On 19 March, a strike wave penetrated the police force throughout the major centres of the country. At Allahabad, the police went on a hunger strike. The Delhi police joined them on 22 March. On 3 April, 10 000 police personnel in Bihar joined the strike movement. Soon the workers also joined this mass wave of strikes. On 2 May 1946, the workers of the North Western Railway went on strike. On 11 July, more than 100 000 postal workers started an all-India strike. Industrial workers across the subcontinent joined the movement with massive strike action. The whole of India was engulfed in these mass uprisings, revolts and strikes. The British were losing control over the armed forces. The first to come to the rescue of the imperialist Raj were the political leaders of all religions.


Yes. Only CPI supported them.

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>In the study of language, description or descriptive linguistics is the work of objectively analyzing and describing how language is actually used (or how it was used in the past) by a speech community.
A language, its rules and words should be determined by the collective people who use it and not by academic institutions and scholars
ignore the semi-cringy comic btw it was the best pic I could find as OP
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I agree, and that's why socialism is when the government does stuff and when the government does everything that is communism :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd


The opressed nations language, who not only purely lingüistic but also social biases due to the domination of the dominators language, need to be normalized and regulated to emancipate. That's why within Spain Galiza, the vasques and Catalonia have language institutions and dictionaries or why the USSR could go beyond the "grandrrusian" nationalism, caring about the federation languages of the others.

Think about the opressed workers of a nation, that see how they own language is being killed to disposses them of a separate identity and prevent a national liberation.


Manolos will say this and then get extremely asshurt when Catalonia asks for independence


Grammar anarchy!


Descriptive > Prescriptive but I think what >>356 said is right as well. To learn a language you need prescriptivsm. But having a purely prescriptive approach in language teaching is cancer.

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What are some books or resources to understand India before 90s economic liberalization? I always see Indians claim that socialism destroyed India and they are prospering under neoliberalism. So I want to understand what went wrong economically and politically in independent India before 90s that doesn't neglect geopolitics and global economy of the time.


I am not aware of any books on this but these two videos cover it.


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I want to get into indian history that isn't just british colonialism. muslims, hindus and sikhs waring over each other sounds way more exciting but you rarely hear anything about the era and the place.
recommend any books to easilly get me into the settings, both books about the cultures and politics.
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This book is sort of related. Tamerlane was the progenitor of the Mughal dynasty. I can't vouch for this book because I haven't read it yet. but I intend to order it with my next paycheck. It's not a history of empires and states though, it's just focused on the biography and myth that surrounded Tamerlane in his own time and the time after he died. Might be of interest to you as it represents the stories of a culture that was very influential over India before the British came.


>It's not a history of empires and states though, it's just focused on the biography and myth that surrounded Tamerlane
that's how I like it.


May as well post pocahontas you son of a bitch, how dare you post that shit on a materialist board. Fuck you liberal.
then you are a retard


You seem really upset. Maybe you should dilate?


Here I attaching 3 books written by Indian marxist historians. Hope it helps, OP.

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I've finally read the big ones (Deleuze, Guattari, Baudrilland, Foucault, Derrida) and I'm just not seeing it. The only argument I usually see when they bother explaining why is that these authors """reject""" class struggle.
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his goal is blowing marxism to pieces


Because according to post modern theory, china would be Communist


Postmodernism doesn't exist. It was constructed in American academia.


>photo: Foucault in 2012, burgerized


Nice post. I have to say being knowledgeable of Marx and Foucault feels like having superpowers ha. Important to note that all of these guys are not impervious to critique (even our beloved Marx, was apt in critiquing even himself) so it's what you do with it in theory and practice moving forward that matters.

We live in the era of libgen and scihub, and so I'm optimistic about the future of theory. No one should do a disservice to themselves by not reading these guys or at least secondary lit on them that is in good faith.

Worst comes to worst watch lectures online.

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