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 No.6190[Reply]

Any one has any reads on atheism that are not just "I hecking love science" like the new atheism movement was?
I remember seeing a book about atheism and german idealism; or idealism in general but I can't seem to find it.
Either way let's just talk about atheism in general.
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 No.6191

>anglo
Show some respect, those "anglos" invented modern materialist atheism.
Anyway vid related may interest you
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 No.6196

>>6191
I'll bookmark this but it'll take time before I get to it


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 No.6168[Reply]

What is the correct socialist analysis of the Inca Empire? Was it really a proto-socialist society, as some people claim? Or was it just Andean feudalism?
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 No.6193

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Haven't read him myself, but Jose Carlos Mariategui is seemingly a corner-stone figure for South-American Communism and the had the first influential His-Mat. analysis of the Incan empire, his main work being this one:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/mariateg/works/7-interpretive-essays/index.htm

The works of Abdimael Guzman (Chairman Gonzallo) also speak on this but not as substantially (or so i've heard).
His work can be found here:
https://bannedthought.net/Peru/index.htm
https://the-red-flag.org/?s=Gonzalo

As for what I know, Incan political economy was feudal in it's societal relations (culturally, hierarchically and land-ownership) but communal in it's relations of production.
Don't take my word for it though, that's just what i've heard.


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 No.5748[Reply]

I just accepted a job as a history teacher in china. i dont have a teachers cert and im a little overwhelmed because i want to teach history better than i was taught it.

does anyone have any pdfs/epubs on historiography, philosophy of history and or textbooks on teaching history? i will be teaching to American, New Jersey standards.
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 No.6154

>>6150
actually what sort of history class is this? general history of the world or some specific place? how old or what grade are the students?
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 No.6156

>>6143
> have huge complaints about the increasing nationalism
Can you expand on this ? I would expect nationalism to spread like hellfire when "your" country is expected to be the world's hegemon .not that i'm complaining tho this shit is the greatest crack pandemic that modernity gave us
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 No.6157

>>6152
this is a FANTASTIC idea. i dunno how i could pull it off though. putting textbooks side to side would really put in focus the history skill of discerning validity of sources.
>>6154
grades 9-12. American standard. world and US history. two seperate classes.
>>6156
The chinese ive talked to talk about school like it was abuse and the more i listen to them the more it seems like it. The nationalism props up and justifies a lot of the worst aspects of Chinese society. Chinas current success becomes because of everything it does. problems with the gaokao? lazy shit, our schooling has made us the intellectual powerh ouse of the world. got problems with the work life balance. lazy shit, your grandparents worked ten times harder and fought the japanese at the same time, youve just got no ambition. the nationalism props up chinese family values too which is have kids young to give them to your parents to raise while you work (because thats what they did for their parents so this way they finally get to raise a kid for real).
ill try find some shit to this effect so you know im not just spitting propaganda. but the nationalism seems to boil down to:
china, 5000 years old continuous civilisation, our culture is the highest form of this heritage and we are becoming the hegemon, thus our social arrangements are correct.

the upper middle class people ive talked to hate that
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 No.6181

SHEG https://sheg.stanford.edu/history-lessons has a lot of good stuff that's pretty easy to adapt, although it's definitely geared towards high school classrooms.

> actually what sort of history class is this? general history of the world or some specific place? how old or what grade are the students?


Came here to ask this. I've taught from middle school to college and to state the obvious, different age levels are different.
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 No.6375

>>5748
check out The Ignorant Schoolmaster


 No.6174[Reply]

Post about interesting historical events, with an emphasis on lesser known ones.
They don't have to be related to "leftism" in any way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_close_calls
A list of [i]fifteen[/i] cases where nuclear weapons were almost launched or almost detonated. One case was averted due to Vasili Arkhipov being the only one of three senior officers aboard a submarine to refuse ordering the launch of a 10-kiloton nuclear torpedo at an aircraft carrier, which probably would have started thermonuclear war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
The largest geomagnetic storm on record. Resulted in colorful auroras worldwide and caused serious damage to electrical equipment (mostly telegraphs at the time, some were reportedly able to transmit and receive messages despite being disconnected from their power supply). Another similar-strength coronal mass ejection occurred in 2012, but it was not directed towards Earth.


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 No.5969[Reply]

So I know what capital is but what gives capital it’s characteristics? And if capitalism is capital reproducing itself in ever expanding processes, then what is it? Does this mean that capital only producing commodities which is what the end product of capital is? No this can’t be because that would be engaging in commodity fetishism. If generalized commodity production is then a phenomena of capitalism then in appearance capitalism looks like a world of exchange values and use values in which is the limits of bourgeois economy because on the surface commodities seem to rule life. But if commodities are nothing but a phenomena and nothing but something taking place in the surface then what is actually capital doing?

If the subjective essence of capital is labor then the product or the commodity appears as the central issue and generalized commodity production the fundamental issue of capitalism. But what then is the objective essence of capital and capitalism?

Capital could only be capitalism if it reproduces itself and so the true essence of capitalism is a social relation. And even more fundamental is the conditions for such a social relation to exist. Predicate to the existence of capital is the deprivation of the means of production from the immediate producer whether that be the land, tools, machinery etc. but that’s not the only deprivation, capital itself must be deprived of labor itself: people. And so the fundamental conflict appears to be dead labor vs living labor and those two being deprived of the other. Capital (dead labor) is useless without the labor process (living labor) but in order for capital to be capital it must continue to keep itself separate from living labor and living labor separate from it, with commodity production being the mediator between the two. And so the true essence of capitalism is capital reproducing a social relation continuously in increasing size. So if capitalism’s objective is to reproduce this social relation why do so many people take commodity production as the true essence of capitalism. Or “changing hands” into that of the state? If the point of communism is to abolish this relation of production to a production in common then it follows that capital will seize to exist in contradiction between dead and living labor. We have seen historically that it doesn’t matter which hands capital is put in, it still exists as capital and reproduces capital relations, so what is it with the misunderPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.5970

>But what then is the objective essence of capital and capitalism?
Fossilized labour son
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 No.5971

>>5970
Stalin is my favorite corporate CEO.
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 No.6161

>>5969
That seems to effectively be saying capitalism will cease to exist when commodity production ceases to exist. The split between dead and living labor is in the commodification of labor’s product. You end that commodification, ie you end private appropriation of the product, then you’ve ended commodity production. You end exchange of commodities, dead labor can’t be hanging over us in the way it does now. But it’s only a part of the story, you haven’t necessarily ended surplus value extraction unless you end class. Value didn’t dictate the economy before capitalism, though it existed in limited commodity markets. But surplus extraction still existed, and it wasn’t based on the commodity markets. So class society is separate from commodity production, ending commodity production isn’t ending exploitation. But conversely, ending class exploitation isn’t ending commodity production, as exploitation is ended in the worker co-op form, but commodity production is maintained. So value still regulates human social reproduction.

These two things are in relation to each other. Commodity production is the means by which class exploitation occurs. Commodity production is downstream of exploitation, it is produced out of a historical searching for opportunity to exploit a surplus, and it was produced out of the given historical circumstances of that searching. Ending class exploitation opens the door to ending commodity production, though likely not all at once. Commodity production is a tool to exploit a surplus, so if you end the class doing the exploiting, the tool is only as valuable as it is useful to the continued existence of the classless society. Hence, worker cooperatives are a transitionary social form. Commodity production may still produce private incomes for classless producers, and therefore there will be divisions, but as long as the classless producers have relatively equal political access, then the private incomes of the few are subordinate to the interests of the many, which by nature of markets are always going to outnumber the wealthier few. However, the issue with capitalist social relations in this respect is that the rich few are a social class that has dispersed dictatorships within the economy. Political participation is limited to the state, which is actually an oligarchy of the private dictatorships, empowered by surplus extraction to reaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.6072[Reply]

Hello all.

I want to create a sync channel for educational purpose with different playlist rotations so we can have people getting educated on leftist thought.

This thread I want to construct the best videos on educating people into the basics of socialism. So the basics of the means of production, the basics of property, and etc. I want it simple, easy to understand and yet thorough enough to explain to someone brand new to socialist thought where if they watch this playlist of videos. They can get a handle of what are the core principles of socialism. I also want to make sure these videos are strictly socialist. No social democratic bullshit please.

Please post your suggestions in the thread and I'll check the videos and we work on getting a nice clean playlist of videos. We can discuss videos if I feel it doesn't quite fit what we should build for this thread.

Please don't bring up communism, anarchism, and etc. This is all about the basics of socialism and getting people beyond social democrat thought.

Reason why I want to do this:

People aren't reading theory and books nowadays. It's a harsh reality and it's hard to make people pick up a book and read it. We leftists need to have a fucking reality check on this. We always want to force people to read theory so much and yet when we watch our opponents in other ideology. They are able to explain their theories and bullshit within a few videos and they get their followers locked in. We need to stop making excuses, gatekeeping and general bullshitting. We can do this. I also understand that we are also under attack via social media companies. There is a way to upload video files and such into playlists on cytube. I just haven't done it in a while but I'll be looking into that as well so we can make our own content without being tied to hosting on youtube and etc.

My first suggestion is this video. I like how it focuses on the main points of what socialism is. It touches briefly on the other flavors of socialist but doesn't go too fair into them but the best part is I like how it makes the statement at the end of the video that calling a political system socialism is just inaccurate because socialism is used to define an economic system.
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 No.6080

Video is by far the worst way to learn. You are wasting your time.
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 No.6081

>>6080
I don't give a fuck. Wasting time on this is perfectly fine. If you don't wish to participate? Then don't.

Tell me why it is bad as something to give a light intro into socialism. Please note this playlist is going to be at LEAST 10-15 videos minimum before creating the channel.
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 No.6086

>>6082
Thank you anon. These are great. I will add these into their own playlists onto the channel. Since these are actual economic courses

I will say though the Shaikh lectures are really really long. That doesn't seem beginner friendly for getting people into socialism. However, I'll figure out a way to integrate that playlist into something.people can watch on weeks we don't want to some heavy lecture watching. 90 minute average per video is a lot. Literally 2 days straight of content non stop. Could be more since I just ball parked the numbers. Let me know if you have sources on other platforms and such. I am willing to rip source videos and stuff from places as well.


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 No.6063[Reply]

I'm a college dropout in burgerland, and I would like to improve my understanding of math, which was my worst subject in academia. Does anyone here have any suggestions or resources for someone who only speaks English, but would still like to do better than American schooling? Assume that I stopped learning math in 6th grade, or 9th grade for geometry in particular.
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 No.6064

Here's how I proceeded in Mathematics. I was a Biology major with a minor in Chemistry:

Geometry
Algebra
Algebra II
Trigonometry
Pre Calculus
Calculus I
Calculus II
Linear Algebra
Calculus III

All can be learned at the Kahn Academy.
And you can find problems online.
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 No.6065

We already have a math thread.
I study chemical engineering, so I have the luck of going through a somewhat decent education in mathematics. So our focus lays in linear algebra, differential equations, fourier, laplace etc. I don't know how this will help you if you want a more allround education in math

4/sci/ has a good list if you want to learn about math like an autodictat
https://4chan-science.fandom.com/wiki/Mathematics
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 No.6071

>>6065
Didn't know about the math thread, thanks. >>6064 I appreciate your advice about Khan Academy, too.


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 No.6032[Reply]

Where do most communists stand on the being vs becoming vs nothingness metaphysical debate? This debate is as old as philosophy itself; does a left wing mindset require you to take a particular stance, or is it irrelevant?
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 No.6034

Is ontological the study of becoming or being? Or both?
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 No.6045

I would say from the perspective of Marx commies are basically forced to rest on the "becoming" camp.
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 No.6059

Thanks to Marx's Hegelian lineage,you can certainly see a strong influence for the becoming side of things - but this seems like more of an accidental than a necessary relationship. It's very difficult for me to think of an argument about metaphysics that would change my politics, or visa-versa. (Everyone's favorite right-wing syphilitic crank, Nietzsche, was no less of a becoming enjoyer.)

There's a certain sense in which leftists need to believe that things in the social world are capable of change, rather than simply given in their behavior through an unchanging nature. But that's pretty divorced from metaphysics - certainly it's nothing that someone with an eternalist outlook on the metaphysics of time couldn't translate to their own language (that is, that different parts of the eternal 4D universe look different along the time axis just like they look different along some spatial axis.)


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 No.5779[Reply]

Should I read theory in english or my native language? Until now I've only read in german but I never debate or discuss in german so I don't know which is better. Also, which language do you read theory?
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 No.5784

>>5783
The Chinese translation of Capital is easier to read than the English one.
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 No.5797

>>5784
Brb gonna go learn Mandarin real quick to read Capital
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 No.5814

>>5779
It is always preferable to read texts in their original language.
also lies Marx verfickt nochmal auf deutsch.
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 No.6047

Read it in German. English speakers can't think by essence because they don't know the etymologies of their words.
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 No.6058

If you know the original language well, read it in the original language. (And certainly no shortage of good theory in German!) If not, well, the translator probably knows the language better than you. I learned this the hard way, trying to ploddingly get my way through Baudrillard and Badiou in French (which I can read, but slowly and not very well) rather than just going for the translation.


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 No.5705[Reply]

An anti-communist friend recommended me these. Has anyone here read them? Are they at all accurate?
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 No.6013

>>5789
Suny's been making the rounds lately raising awareness for his book contra Montefiore, Kotkin, etc. Here's a timestamped youtube video where he distinguishes his bio from other bios on the market: https://youtu.be/8GRS2kMlZsk?t=1507
>>5794
No problem! I recently ordered copy and am looking forward to reading it.
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 No.6014

>>6013
>"With Steve Kotkin […] he doesn't take the earlier period that seriously. Montefiore who DOES look at the early Stalin (he has a book called Young Stalin) in fact DOESN'T take Marxism, the 'National Question' seriously—One time I met Montefiore and he said, "What are you interested in?" I said, "Well I'm interested in the Revolution, the labor movement; I'm interested in, yknow, social democracy" and he said, "Oh good! I'm interested in his women." So if you're interested in his women, then go to Montefiore and you'll find a Stalin who's not only a bandit, a gangster, a terrorist, but a pedophile. I took Stalin very seriously; I took Marxism very seriously. He was a journalist for much of his career! He wrote dozens and dozens of articles in Georgian and in Russian—and he wrote on the 'National Question' […] So it's a lot of context—maybe too much context."
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 No.6015

>>6014
Here's hoping Suny lives long enough to write a book on Stalin during the early Soviet period.
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 No.6031

>>5921

What does "too biased" means ? If the question is the anti-stalinist position is backed up by solid sources, even marvellous for a time when knowing something about the soviet union was extremely difficult, then no it's not "too biased".
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 No.6035

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>>5741
Anyone read his history of the USSR?


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