[ overboard / sfw / alt / cytube] [ leftypol / b / WRK / hobby / tech / edu / ga / ent / music / 777 / posad / i / a / R9K / dead ] [ meta ]

/edu/ - Education

Learn, learn, and learn!
Name
Email
Subject
Comment
Captcha
Tor Only

Flag
File
Embed
Password (For file deletion.)

Matrix   IRC Chat   Mumble   Telegram   Discord

| Catalog | Home

 No.1711[Reply]

By marxist standards, I do not provide labor, I own capital. From what I understand, the commie concept of wage labor is "exploitation" in the sense that we take the surplus value you produce. Since this board allows non-leftists to ask questions, mine is, why do you think you have the right to the full product/end result of your labor and not just a small compensation?

If I were to pay my wagecucks the full amount, or give them control over my company instead of paying them a pittance, I won't be able to stay competitive and maximize profits.

In capitalist philosophy on the other hand, exploitation requires the use of force. A worker is not forced to work for me for example, they are 100% free to go find a different job or start their own company. I just wanna know your point of view, and why you think you are entitled to your surplus labor.
11 posts omitted. Click reply to view.
>>

 No.1725

>>1723
(cont.)
I want to say an additional observation, which I think you wouldn't find frequently in Marxist literature. I call this the Golden Law of Socialist Economy:

~ In the condition of good environment, the lower GDP of a socialist country is, the better efficiency it will achieve ~
>>

 No.1726

>>1720
>Why can't someone start a business though and go from rags to riches?
Such examples are rare, but in any event even if they were more common that would not be the relevant point. An enterprising peasant in the Mughal empire could become a zamindar - whether people change the positions they occupy doesn't change whether those positions are exploitative.

>The market values assets because of demand, and if you are able to fulfill this demand, you get rewarded

This might be a plausible account of CEO pay - that investors pay CEOs much because they know they're so good at their jobs. (There are of course other explanations, but we're not worried about that issue right now.) However, when you buy a company's assets, you're not buying the CEO's time - you're buying the assets. This can be seen most clearly in the purchase, valuation, and payoffs of securities which don't have to be actively managed at all. (If you're a Nazi this is proof that bankers don't do "real" work but factory owners do, but if you think through the logic of the market at all you'll see that people who own shares of each sector are collecting rent on it in similar ways.)
>>

 No.1732

>>

 No.2487

File: 1608528188980.jpg ( 60.59 KB , 664x627 , 1587972799704.jpg )

>>1711
>In capitalist philosophy on the other hand, exploitation requires the use of force. A worker is not forced to work for me for example, they are 100% free to go find a different job or start their own company.
Man, you have got to read Marx.
>>

 No.2489

>>1711
>A worker is not forced to work for me for example, they are 100% free to go find a different job or start their own company.
Good job outing yourself as a high schooler. Literally no adult with a mature brain believes in that myth.


File: 1608527940709.png ( 347.86 KB , 680x730 , tmp_14091.png )

 No.190[Reply]

Dark edition.
8 posts and 6 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.
>>

 No.706

anyone know sites with good history boards?
>>

 No.709

>>629
How can anyone rationally believe that when the easier answer is that you only learn European history in school?
>>

 No.717

>>706
Bunkerchan.xyz/edu
It’d be good if we had more people.
>>

 No.838

>>717
>>706
I sexond this one
>>

 No.2488

File: 1608528189129-0.png ( 439.62 KB , 589x752 , 1585360081179.png )

File: 1608528189129-2.jpg ( 263.53 KB , 1078x939 , 1585514052845.jpg )



File: 1608527918833.jpg ( 117.32 KB , 776x749 , 1574834893361.jpg )

 No.1[Reply]

Is this man the only good youtube historian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBUGQkpk3RE
26 posts and 2 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.
>>

 No.2065

>>1
I like how in his latest video he was clearly butthurt about clever political maneuvering by Tito at the expense of the british LMAO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D87vVWjtp_U
>>

 No.2076

>>1611
sometimes right-wing idiots can still make good content. See TiK vidoes before he came out as a libertardian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc-rFzC63hU
>>

 No.2483

>>1
He's fun to listen to but a British nationalist so I don't take him seriously on anything related to the UK.
>>

 No.2484

>>2076
"Denying Hitler was a socialist means denying the holocaust happened"
>>

 No.2491

>>306
If you are into medieval weapons and martial arts scholagladiatoria blows them all out of the water and is not a retarded right winger:
https://www.youtube.com/user/scholagladiatoria


File: 1608528184141.jpg ( 59.06 KB , 457x640 , 313e9201c1d65497c1fe54ac55….jpg )

 No.2446[Reply]

Why some marxist use historical determinism as a pejorative and how can someone be marxist and reject determinism?
>>

 No.2447

>>2446
Marxists acknowledge that contradictions are inherent to all things in themselves across all times. There is no such thing as an absolute harmony which can be disturbed or reach. Hence dialectics are anti-determinist at a fundamental zero-level.
>>

 No.2480

Historical determinism is often used to mean the belief that history is outside the control of humanity and instead happens to them like the weather.

Meanwhile Marx claimed that humans are capable of consciously changing their material conditions (by "revolutionary activity").


File: 1608527998653.jpg ( 1.33 MB , 1820x4348 , V3j_b1VqNW0XCtMToOg5Tuc5jd….jpg )

 No.630[Reply]

And which should I skip?
70 posts and 9 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.
>>

 No.2440

Pynchon is very fun to read
>>

 No.2460

>>630
My personal favorite is 77
>>

 No.2461

>>2460
It’s not a book about ideology per se, however it’s an incredible book. It’s a story about childhood’s end, fear, anger, nostalgia, with some midlife crisis stuff thrown in. It’s great
>>

 No.2478

File: 1608528187979.jpeg ( 4.25 KB , 229x220 , descarga (71).jpeg )

>>649
>lolita
>my gf's favorite book
>>

 No.2479

>>2478
lol
She just thinks Nabakov was the century's finest prose stylist.


File: 1608528180821.jpg ( 59.43 KB , 800x450 , maxresdefault.jpg )

 No.2404[Reply]

The late 2010's and early 2020's upheavals were predicted 10 years ago by a relatively simple model that accounts for elite infighting, income inequality, number of 18-29 y.o. people, etc. The same analysis was retroactively applied to many civil wars and revolutions throughout history and the results were pretty consistent: wars, revolutions and upheavals follow pretty deterministic patterns. The thing that's impossible to predict, is the trigger, the casus belli. In-depth paper in [1], 2020 prediction in [2].

On the other hand the rate of profit is falling (empirically proven in [3]), which makes the contradictions accelerate: median living conditions become increasingly unbearable, inequality between the working population and the elite skyrockets, etc. (coronavirus and climate change are just accelerating even further the process). The question is not if, but when, will capitalism collapse. Two options at that point: regression, the elite fights back and wins (fascism, neo-feudalism, apocalyptic-tier world wars, pick your poison) or progression, the working class fights back and wins (socialism, which means the long term construction of post-scarcity society i.e. communism).

[1]: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6qp8x28p
[2]: https://www.nature.com/articles/463608a
>Quantitative historical analysis reveals that complex human societies are affected by recurrent — and predictable — waves of political instability (P. Turchin and S. A. Nefedov Secular Cycles Princeton Univ. Press; 2009). In the United States, we have stagnating or declining real wages, a growing gap between rich and poor, overproduction of young graduates with advanced degrees, and exploding public debt. These seemingly disparate social indicators are actually related to each other dynamically. They all experienced turning points during the 1970s. Historically, such developments have served as leading indicators of looming political instability
>Very long 'secular cycles' interact with shorter-term processes. In the United States, 50-year instability spikes occurred around 1870, 1920 and 1970, so another could be due around 2020. We are also entering a dip in the so-called Kondratiev wave, which traces 40-60-year economic-growth cycles. ThPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
24 posts and 6 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.
>>

 No.2429

>>2427
Well put comrade, have you read Hinterland, by Phil Neel?
>>

 No.2430

>>2428
>I also am unclear why you find urban environments to be hostile. I agree with your opinion but my reasons are more mundane: vehicle traffic, noise pollution, actual pollution, lack of space for gatherings.

None of these are inherent to the city-form. An advanced socialist city of the future could avoid or minimize these issues. I do not share the contempt for cities, but I admit that there is a large untapped potential to them. We could create clean, green, efficient, humane and beautiful cities - capitalism stands in the way.
>>

 No.2431

>>2430
>None of these are inherent to the city-form
Not that anon, but the entire history of cities is that of people being forced into them out of brute desperation in search of opportunities for sustenance, falling to ruin both as individuals and generationally all their time there, and fleeing as far from the city center as they can manage the moment they claw together enough resources to afford it.

It's pretty obvious that people just really, really hate living in cities.
>>

 No.2432

>>2426
Honestly, I'm against trying to predict the future, but I think it's hard not to let some of the "kill me now" nihilistic millennial humor creep into my thought process. Not least because I've been guilty of perpetuating that nonsense myself.
>>

 No.2469

>>2431
>It's pretty obvious that people just really, really hate living in cities
I disagree. People hate living in shitty cities.


File: 1608528179686.jpg ( 40.08 KB , 635x357 , 9abca5b38aa4f516e4ce65ee21….jpg )

 No.2390[Reply]

Were his works a coping mechanism because dialectics failed?
>>

 No.2392

No because it was based on Adorno’s misunderstanding of dialectics in the first place. If you actually pay attention to Hegel you’ll see that Dialectics and Negative Dialectics are pretty much the same.
>>

 No.2433

>>2392
You're saying the only difference is that Adorno evaluates it negatively? There seems to be more to it from what I heard.
>>

 No.2434

>>2433
From what I’ve read, Adorno tries to argue against the idea that, in substation, contradictions are abstracted rather than sustained, but it’s based on his own misinterpretation of how Hegel describes sublation rather than Hegel’s failure to understand it.
>>

 No.2435

>>2434
>substation
*sublation


 No.2397[Reply]

[b]NICARAGUA[/b]
[b]COSTA RICA[/b]
[b]PANAMA[/b]
[b]HONDURAS[/b]
[b]EL SALVADOR[/b]
Frankly I wanted more info and knowladge about these part of the world.
>>

 No.2398

You want something cringe and fucking.
See this documentary about the chief defender of child molestors visiting Nicaragua
https://invidio.us/watch?v=RAFSwv_5Uc8


File: 1608528166402.png ( 1.95 MB , 1351x1024 , 22e6152e341ea8aa1f946d7400….png )

 No.2223[Reply]

is there a literary historian that gives a structuralist reason as to why the Soviet Union fell without blaming "revisionism" or "totalitarianism"?
>>

 No.2283

I guess Cockshott in "How the World Works". I described this take before quite a few times on /leftypol/ over the last month, so I am a bit tired of re-writing it here. The gist is this:
>Falling rate of growth kicks in once the economy matures and all the labor available is mobilized from rural jobs into industrial ones
>This causes a stagnation in economic growth
>This causes real wage growth to slow down to a crawl
>This pisses of the middle class, which is becoming envious of their western counterparts that have yet to experience the start of the death of the capitalist middle class
>This, over the course of Brezhnev's premiership, ferments a political crisis of sorts
>Different factions arise to solve the problem, mainly neo-Stalinist hardliners, Centrists and Reformists.
>Statistical chance lands the power in the hand of reformers in 1985
>Their policies, while having some good points, accidentally also wreck the command economy, only deepening the crisis, while the decision to make the country more "democratic" lets reactionaries like Yeltsin, as well as nationalists, get more influence
>This sets of the first few secession, causing more instability, which reactionary forces, specifically having influence in the army, use to seize power
>USSR is undemocratically dissolved
>>

 No.2342

>>2283
In this scenario what should have been done to solve the crisis? Was stagnation inevitable and just apart of socialism or was the solution just computerization like Cockshott proposes?
>>

 No.2362

>>2223
repost from my posts at /his/

The problem of socialist economy was not output distribution, but input allocation.
During 1930s, while the victory in economic front was significant, there was a sign of problem. With the appearance of new production sectors (due to completion of industrialisation), came the problem of fighting for input (funding and manpower).
For example, the fight between Stalin and Trotsky was the precursor of that kind. Behind the ideological struggle was actually an economic problem. Trotsky wanted to turn USSR into an full military-industrialised country (similar to Nazi) in order to carry out world revolution (expansionist), while Stalin wanted to focus on building a robust autarkic economy that could survive the onslaught of enemies (isolationist). But why didn't they combine both approaches, wouldn't it be better than adopting only one approach? The answer was because of limited resources. If we thought of Stalin faction and Trotsky faction as two socialist enterprises, then it's actual a fight for funding.
Another example was the fight between Lysenko school and Western genetics school in biology. Actually, nothing prevented both directions of research to cooperate with each other, but why they didn't? Because in a condition of limited of resources and manpower, if the Lysenko school gained a new researcher, it meant the genetics school lost a researcher (researchers as rare resources). The winning of one faction meant the losing of another one, in the condition of limited resources. As Lenin had said, we need to see the real economic struggle behind every ideological struggle, without doing so, history is still a picture shroud in mysteries.

In the late 1950s, the problem was even more grave. With the advent of many new important economic sectors (nuclear, plasma, advanced agriculture, computing, rocket, space, etc.) the fighting for funding and input came to new level. Every sectors were important, but who would receive the most funding? After the disastrous failure of Khrushchev in his agriculture experiment, everyone was aware painfully that much resources thrown into a project didn't automatically mean success. The question of how to allocate resources raged fiercely.
Eventually, the Kosygin's reform returned a mechanism of capitalism, that is, funding would be allocated accordingly to the PROFIT inPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


File: 1608528163324.jpg ( 14.65 KB , 250x396 , Althusser[1].jpg )

 No.2192[Reply]

why do leftists generally dislike Althusser?
26 posts and 2 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.
>>

 No.2354

>>2341
he's unironically a great mathematician and programmer. I just find it annoying when people shill him on anything philosophy related.
>>

 No.2355

>>2328

Can a mod or someone reach out to him and have him do an AMA here on a pinned thread? That would be cool
>>

 No.2358

>>2351
Zizek is a fucking joke and the fact that you cite him favorably in a thread like this speaks volumes.
>>

 No.2365

>>2358
Oh really? Compared to a non-theorist blogger? Zizek has serious work other than cultural takes.
>>

 No.2366

>>2365
You're a silly person and I'm ending this here.


Delete Post [ ]
[ overboard / sfw / alt / cytube] [ leftypol / b / WRK / hobby / tech / edu / ga / ent / music / 777 / posad / i / a / R9K / dead ] [ meta ]
[ 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 / 9 / 10 / 11 / 12 / 13 / 14 / 15 / 16 / 17 / 18 / 19 / 20 / 21 / 22 / 23 / 24 / 25 / 26 / 27 / 28 / 29 / 30 / 31 / 32 / 33 / 34 / 35 / 36 ]
| Catalog | Home