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Books/Sources on America's Coal Wars? Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:14 No.4197 [Reply]

I'm a history major in Burgerstan, I'm hoping to really focus in on labor history and eventually get some kind of law degree so I can help Unions or work for OSHA or some shit. I thought it might be a good idea to start reading up on one of the more violent episodes of American Capitalism. Can anybody recommend some good accounts or Historians that cover the Coalfield Wars?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:14 No.4209

I know a few books but I gotta wait until I can go back to the library to find the titles.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:20 No.4288

Robert Ovetz's When Workers Shot Back: Class Conflict from 1877 to 1921 would probably be a good starting point. 606 pages; it has a section on the West Virginia coal wars.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:20 No.4290

Nigga if you are a history major you should be recommending books to us

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socialism and institutional pluralism Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:18 No.4254 [Reply]

It seems like most socialists are either Marxists who support comprehensive state planning, or anarchists who support either cooperative firms or informal local economies.

Isn't this a false dichotomy, though? Different institutions have different strengths and weaknesses. Non-centralized institutions are necessary to deal with major collective action problems, like for instance climate change, but can come with a small number of failure points. One could imagine a world where SOEs produce public goods and homogenous commodities at scale, while smaller cooperatives form to produce more differentiated or experimental products.

I suppose a difficulty this introduces is that unlike everyone both owning and working for the state, or everyone both owning and working for their cooperative, this produces a seeming worker-owner split, with everyone owning the state but only some working for it. But there might presumably be a way to fix this with the way the state funds new cooperatives and collects back surplus from successful ones, which would seem to be necessary to avoid independent capital accumulation in an economy of just cooperatives anyway; and there may be aspects of the labor/ownership split that are physically inevitable per Critique of the Gotha Program (it cannot ever be the case that the only people who benefit from labor are the laborers, etc.)

Probably people have already done the math on this, or shown ways you could do it or why you couldn't, but I'm an ignoramus, so I'm posting this here.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:19 No.4270

I agree with your overall point, that we're not dealing with two absolutes, you either centrally plan everything or you decentralise everything. The world we are inheriting, or will inherit, will come with issues and conditions that can only be solved by something that acts as a state apparatus.
>Non-centralized institutions are necessary to deal with major collective action problems, like for instance climate change
Funny, because I'd actually say that climate change is something that needs a central/unified/planned solution, rather than a bunch of decentralised solutions that would probably be counter-productive more often than not.

Things we need central planning/state apparatus to deal with:
>climate change
>nuclear arsenal
>nuclear energy and accompanying infrastructure
>medical science and healthcare
>defense on a "national"/regional scale
>maintenance of ecosystems, land, fisheries, oceans, etc.
>standardisation of things like electrical appliances, and anything else that needs to interwork with other part
>standardisation of education (to some degree, to make sure everyone is sort of on the same level)
Other than that, everything can be decided on a local scale, by community councils or assemblies, or whatever, similar to how the Zapatistas make decisions and run their region.

The idea is that every autonomous region (to call it that) would be largely self-sufficient when it comes to things like food, water, shelter, education, and the basic necessities, while the rest would be made in cooperation with the other regions. Or that's how the whole libertarian marxism, libertarian communism thing sounds like to me.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:19 No.4276

>>4270
>Funny, because I'd actually say that climate change is something that needs a central/unified/planned solution
That's actually just me being a dumbass - I meant to list climate change as something that required a centralized solution!

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:16 No.4227 [Reply]

I've heard the May '68 failure characterized as being due to a conflict between the PCF and the students themselves. I haven't finished reading PDF related (below) but so far it seems to support this, being from the perspective of the students and, as you would expect, laying the blame on the PCF as well as heaping them with epithets (comparing them to liberals, for example). So my questions here are:

&lt1. Is this book known to anyone? If not, does it look like a decent primary source from the students' point of view?
&lt2. Does anyone have anything more sympathetic to the PCF that could balance it out? Or even something more neutral to both sides?

Thx anons

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:16 No.4236

The PCF and CGT told the wildcat strikers to go back to work because they thought they would win the election, they sabotaged the whole thing for their own bourgeois political gain only to be BTFOd by Gualle in the actual elections. You can't balance out betrayal.

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OP 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:19 No.4277

OP here, sorry that I never posted the file. I forgot TOR users can't post files. The book is Worker-Student Action Committees by Gregoire and Perlman, probably can be found on Google.

>>4236
I didn't clarify that I wasn't implying the PCF couldn't be in the wrong. Do you have a good book on it? Do you think the book I mentioned is good? It's short af so I'll probably just read it anyway.

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Essay writing / academic skills Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:10 No.4166 [Reply]

Hey /e/Im a brainlet prole that recently got a scholarships to university, and Im wondering if there are any resources that you could recommend to improve general academic skills with an emphasis on essay writing. I've done a general scan for books and courses on libgen and TPB. But I wanted to get some advise with a left perspective. When I say brainlet I mean dyslexic and when I say prole I mean any unskilled job I can land (bar work, kitchen work, construction, etc.) My degree is in healthcare and administration.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:13 No.4193

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:13 No.4194

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>>4193

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:13 No.4195

>>4194
done, hope it helps comrade

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:15 No.4223

>>4194
>>4193
>>4192
>>4191
>>5569
Niceu dess ne.
Thank you anonysan

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:17 No.4250

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I like this one.

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The scientific value of materialism Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:03 No.1230 [Reply]

Hello comrades. I have doubts about materialism since the philosophical part of Marxism isn't my strength, but I want to be able to understand it better since materialism is the foundation of marxist theory and the communist movement.
I've had arguments in the past with people who claim that modern science doesn't prove materialism or that materialism cannot explain things like the origin of the universe or quantum mechanics. Well, where do I begin with this? Is materialism the truth? The most basic part of marxist philosophy is the assertion that matter is objectively real, right? How do I prove this then? Maybe one of you STEMlords around here can help me out with this. Any resources on this is appreciated.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:22:03 No.1809

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>>1807
No wonder modern physics has come to this state of decay. No evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If from the beginning, you assume it doesn't exist, then you won't pay any effort to find it.

It's not a thought experiment, but a matter of practical engineering.
First, the environment exists homogeneous everywhere, that's because matter is not solid but full of hole, that's why we cannot isolate the environment inside the box from outside the box. So what we need is a very solid material, that could isolate inside and outside. And also the risk of explosion/implosion, because the difference between outside and inside environment. Therefore it must be a very very strong material.

> For a start you have neglected diffraction of the electron as it passed through the slit - the film will show a diffraction pattern spread over the level of uncertainty in the electron's position, not a point-like marker of the exact position.
Are you sure? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ-0PBRuthc If what you said is right then the early controversial debate surrounding Copenhagen school made no sense.
You should stop a little bit and read carefully what I've written. I never said my box is to receive the electron. My box is to see the flying trajectory of electron (and if possible, seeing the vibration state of the environment surrounding electron)

> Your argument presupposes its own conclusion: in order to produce an experimental setup to measure an electron's position to an arbitrarily high precision, you must already have the ability to make such a measurement of the position of your instruments.
You're right, but my intention is not to measure an electron's absolute position to an arbitrarily high precision. I just want to see the relative position of electron to the apparatus at a small enough particular moment.

>Your argument presupposes its own conclusion: in order to produce an experimental setup to measure an electron's position to an arbitrarily high precision, you must already have the ability to make such a measurement of the position of your instruments.
Again, what I need isn't arbitrarily high precision measurement of the apparatus,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:24:21 No.3097

That was a good thread. Anybody still feel like discussing this?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:24:21 No.3098

>>3097
>That was a good thread.
yes lota effortposts
>Anybody still feel like discussing this?
yes, go ahead

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:24:21 No.3103

>>3097
Yes

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moo 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:17 No.4247

>>3097
Bumping for this guy again

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Is it possible that magic and myth are true? Anonymous 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:22:42 No.2178 [Reply]

Inspired by my reading of the book, Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn
How do we know myths, stories, magic, etc. are not real? Assuming what we know scientifically is true, how does this negate myth, legend, etc? Why are dinosaurs not simultaneously animals and also monsters when they fit what we would have called monsters? Why are overriding social systems not tantamount to a spirit or God when they control our actions and shape our life histories even if they don't act consciously? Are they not what we'd call an egregor, i.e., a presence brought into existence by the actions and beliefs of a large number of people? Is our Sun not a God when it is responsible for all life on Earth? Is the biosphere not some sort of Earth spirit when it encompasses all living things yet influences each individually and can be destroyed through harming the Natural (non-human) World. Are spirits not the electrical currents moving through your brain? Do we not tell history as a story?

In the beginning there was nothing but the One, then the One expanded into the Everything, as the Everything continued to expand soon the beating hearts of the Everything, the Stars began to form from the energy of the Beginning, the stars coalesced into huge interstellar communities, galaxies; in the nuclear core of the stars more building elements were created, and from the stars came the planets; in the deep seas of one planet around one star life formed out of the energy of the planet's iron core, over the course of billions of years life arose in complexity in a way matching the Everything until finally from Life emerged the Someone, a complex arrangement of the Everything capable of consciously perceiving itself.

Why isn't our understanding of the Universe, even being scientifically true, a myth? Myths were once truths, after all.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:22:56 No.2349

Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.”

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:10 No.4164

>>2178
Perhaps, perhaps not

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:12 No.4184

>>2185
>Stories of magic and Myth are usually based
-Sage (2020)

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:16 No.4228

God fragmented itself into numerous pieces so it could be able to die. We are what's left in the process of this decaying God.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:16 No.4229

>>2179
>this graph is totally right lol
ok igno

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Scientific Socialism and Dialectics Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:20:10 No.733 [Reply]

Alright so I've had a few interactions with people on /leftypol/ who seem to think that Dialectics means rejecting the Aristotelian law of non-contradiction. As far as I can tell this has no real basis in the work of Marx or Engels and is a good to not be taken seriously by anyone who understands logic or philosophy or mathematics. I was really confused about where this came from for a while. I have read Mao's "On Contradiction" many times and I suppose that text could be read that way, but I don't think that is what Mao meant by contradiction or "the unity of opposites". Last night though I read Leon Trotsky's "The ABC of Materialist Dialectics" and I think I've found my answer. In it, Trotsky straight up makes a case for why A=/=A, and does make a somewhat compelling argument until you examine it critically.

This piece is well written like most of Trotsky's work, but his argument is full of non-sequitors and general misreadings of Marx and Engels. I want to make this thread to do some comparing and contrasting between four texts in particular, but we can bring in other lit if people want. Those four texts are…

Anti-Duhring by Engels:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/index.htm

The ABC of Materialst Dialectics:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1939/12/abc.htm

Dialectical and Historical Materialism:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

On Contradiction by Mao Zedong:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_17.htm
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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:25:33 No.3763

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socialism utopian and scientific

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:16 No.4232

>>3742
You understand this is schizo nonsense, right? This is why no one comes here.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:16 No.4233

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>>733
gonna leave this here, seems relevant

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:16 No.4234

>>4232
These…
>>3742
>>3763
Not me.

And yes, I know my reading is schizo, but it is still better than Trotsky's!!!!

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:16 No.4235

>>4233
Thank you for the contribution!

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Universities and Education Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:20:20 No.815 [Reply]

I saw this thread on leftypol and thought it would be very suited here. Did you guys go to university or any other forms of higher education? Why or why not? Did it help you achieve what you want to achieve? Would you go back in time and choose a different path?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:13 No.4196

>Did you guys go to university or any other forms of higher education?
Yes.
>Why or why not?
Because it is expected and you cannot get a job in my country without some sort of degree
>Did it help you achieve what you want to achieve?
No. I had no real goal and i hate the field i ended up graduating in.
>Would you go back in time and choose a different path?
Yes. Probably something in art or politics rather than STEM, i didnt learn shit in my course, 99% of what i know is pure self study.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:14 No.4198

>>4196
STEM is more valuable for the Time being than a Degree in Art or Neoliberal Politics.
Mind if I ask which field you graduated in?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:14 No.4199

>>4198
Software engineering

"more valuable" isnt much use for me if it makes me want to kill myself and i would rather try and make my living as an illustrator

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:14 No.4200

>>4199
Can you switch to a different Engineering major?
Or do you hate STEM in general?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:15 No.4216

>>4200
I already graduated. I realised that my depression wasnt caused by anything inherent but by programming too late.
So im just winging it atm and doing teaching.

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Distinguishing features between real ML and ML right-deviationism(^2)? Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:09 No.4153 [Reply]

If ML anti-revisionism came to encompass a defense of orthodox Marxism, Bolshevism/Leninism and Stalinism, then:
1. what features did the ML revisionism of Khrushchev and his USSR followers entail that broke with this
2. which policies differentiated Dengist revisionism from the USSR revisionism, enough for them to not be able to get along by Brezhnev-Deng times?
3. Does Bukharin'ism' play any particular role in how these right-wing deviations differed?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:11 No.4181

post this on leftypol maybe someone will answer fuck the mods

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Cybersocialism and Marx & Lenin in the 21st Century moo 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:07 No.4135 [Reply]

This thread is to discuss how we plan to adapt, and build upon current Marxist thought into the century. We must cut ties with larp of the 20th century, we need no more trot parties or consumer ideologies. This is about Marxism as a science.

A huge part of this is of course cybersocialism so I'd like to use this thread to discuss ideas relating to that too. If you are new to this, Cockshott's Towards A New Socialism is a must. If you want to bring round your soccdem friends, recommend People's Republic of Walmart as a taste.

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moo 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:08 No.4147

>>4145
>Walmart
In the OP I say this is a good book for socdems as opposed to one for socialists. Either way it is useful to read to disseminate lib ideas easier.
>Imperialism
This thread is about bringing new ideas, bringing communism into the 21st century. This isn't a cybernetics thread solely, that book has been recommend by many comrades, while I haven't read it yet I believe it is useful to study. Idk this VAT thing seems exceedingly nitpicky over one sentence. If you have an overall criticism of the book I'd love to hear it

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moo 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:09 No.4148

>>4144
>ecology
why doe

>Vanguard
Yes I think this is the pivotal question for us. I mean there is no reason to believe a vanguard is the way apart from it has been proven to work (under certain conditions) but as Marxists, this shouldn't be sufficient. This is why we need new analysis rooted in our space and time.

I also thing while it seems good that we aren't religious anymore, the 'job' of religion (as an opioid) is being replaced by other things. We have some people looking up to Elon Musk as a god figure, some looking towards environmentalism for their purpose and blind faith, etc etc.

Regrading Marx, he was a product of his period, and that was one of great unrest in Europe. France deemed it necessary to exile him for his writings, you get where I'm coming from? This shaped his attitudes when it came to organising, and made it a lot easier for him to organise proles, since the revolutionary energy was already there. Lenin recognizes this in Left Wing Communism, it is really fookin' difficult for communists in places where there isn't this energy or general class consciousness.

I feel like I missed something in your last paragraph though so please let me know. What do you mean by 'far more workers party'?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:09 No.4154

>>4147
>this VAT thing seems exceedingly nitpicky
Can you repeat in your own words what you think is said in that paragraph? Taking for granted that what is said there about John Smith's book isn't a misrepresentation, can you follow the argument against what Smith is saying and do you agree with it?

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moo 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:09 No.4155

>>4154
Hahahaha what is your point? Why are you so insufferable?
>Explain the extremely basis concept of VAT to me right now!! I want 1000 words on whether the benefit a buyer gains from VAT is exploitation or not!
You've misread every post so far yet want to give me some high school quiz on your copy pasted out of context quote. If you have read the book you'll be able to critique it, if you just want to repost some arbitrary quote about VAT I can't discuss it IN REFERENCE TO THE TEXT because I haven't read it.

To clarify for you, I never said this was a misrepresentation. It is nothing in the context however. because it isn't a critique of the work. Perhaps I could post some quotes from books you haven't read and we could simultaneously wank over how big brained we are and pop-quiz one another?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:26:10 No.4165

>>4155
>1000 words
It's a short paragraph, about the size of the post you just wrote.
>If you have read the book you'll be able to critique it
I did read Smith's book and I agree with the copy-pasted argument against Smith, which is why I posted it.
>if you just want to repost some arbitrary quote about VAT I can't discuss it IN REFERENCE TO THE TEXT because I haven't read it.
You don't have to read the book, since you were only asked whether you are able to restate the paragraph in your own words and whether you agree with it under the condition that it doesn't misrepresent Smith.