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Yugoslavia and post Yugoslav states Q&A Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:20:49 No.1091 [Reply]

Yugoslavia was the only "eastern bloc" country that was almost entirely liberated by the domestic communsit led anti-fascist coalition.
They wanted to follow the Soviet model, but due to some ComInform (ex Comintern) tensions, Stalin excluded them and after 1948 they strated to look for their own path in building socialism and they came up with self-management - the workers voted in the managers, voted on employing new people, what the created value will be used on etc.
However, they never really found a good way to trade goods between companies so they re-implemented the market where goods between companies and between companies and consumers were traded.
They also had strong relationship with various 2nd and 3rd world countries and helped them out a lot (they worked on importan construction projects in Iraq, Syria, Egypt etc. etc.), and many foreign students came to study in Yugoslavia (people from Congo, Sudan, Algeria, Iraq etc. etc.)
In the 70s they borrowed money from the World bank which fucked them at the end of the 70s and start of the 80s (debt crisis) which gave rise to ugly nationalism which eventually destroyed the country and re-introduced a wild capitalism.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:20:53 No.1136

>>1123
Because citizens of Yugoslavia never had a "Yugoslav" national identity. The regime in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia pushed very hard for a unified Yugoslav state and nation, but failed miserably. Post war socialist Yugoslavia was from the start a federal state in which Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Macedonia were federal states. And Kosovo, while not a federal state, had the status of an autonomous region.

A Slovenian writer once said in 1913: by blood we are brothers, by language we are cousins, but by culture, which develops over centuries, we are further apart than a Slovenian peasant is from a (German) peasant in Tirol (Austrian region).

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:20:54 No.1148

>>1136
>A Slovenian writer once said in 1913: by blood we are brothers, by language we are cousins, but by culture, which develops over centuries, we are further apart than a Slovenian peasant is from a (German) peasant in Tirol (Austrian region).
Typical Slovenian. I love how dead on Yugo stereotypes are. That's why the jokes are funny, cause they're all true.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:20:55 No.1155

>>1148
This.

Also it's funny how "typical Slovenian" comes from presumably a Croat or Serbian - your guys really are crazy nationalist fanatics

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:34 No.1500

>>1136
>muh mitteleuropa

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:35 No.1501

>>1123
uneven development caused diverging consciousness; "yugoslavization" is a thing, and you can see it today even moreso with the euroregion policy.
my impression was that the serbs were the most vested in the yugoslav identity and considered themselves yugoslavs until the ouster of milosevic and even some time after that.

Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:34 No.1492 [Reply]

Anybody know some good readings on the idea that we cannot change ideas without changing their material origins

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:33 No.1483 [Reply]

What can I learn fron Grundrisse that I can't learn from Capital?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:34 No.1495

it has a funny name, you'll look smarter if you cite it

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:34 No.1497

>>1495
based

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English DPRK Lit. Archive Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:31 No.1464 [Reply]

Here's a google drive I found full of documents, biographies, reports, counterprop and theory for Juche, Songon and just about everything else DPRK:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B48PXBn7S_-MMVlaZjlrOEdKWFk

There is notably some very recent documents from as late as last year, including the theoretical work of Kim Jong Un.
Everything (I have seen) in here is in English.

(If you are (rightly) wary of Google here, know that you can view and download these files through a Tor browser.)

Anyone got anything else DPRK-related they don't see here that they'd like to archive?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:32 No.1476

Here's a reading guide I've had saved for a while
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1we5OEdteZFfAh11v0s_RVh3LWAkVICGrFnvksVynGxw/edit

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:34 No.1498

Official DPRK website full of documents in several languages:
http://www.korean-books.com.kp/en/

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Sun Yat-sen Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:28 No.1440 [Reply]

Can someone redpill me about this dude?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:30 No.1458

He was a bourgeois revolutionary and anti-imperialist who founded the KMT. He corresponded with Lenin who considered him a peer even though he wasn't an communist. Sun Yat Sen's socialism was built off of Henry George, not Karl Marx. He's one of the only political figures beloved on both sides of the Taiwan straight.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Principles_of_the_People

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Marx didn't think mining was labour? Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:28 No.1438 [Reply]

-value is generated by labour

Alright.

-because money is represetative of value, it allows people to hoard value.

Yes.

>As the production of commodities further develops, every producer of commodities is compelled to make sure of the nexus rerum or the social pledge. [41] His wants are constantly making themselves felt, and necessitate the continual purchase of other people’s commodities, while the production and sale of his own goods require time, and depend upon circumstances. In order then to be able to buy without selling, he must have sold previously without buying. This operation, conducted on a general scale, appears to imply a contradiction. But the precious metals at the sources of their production are directly exchanged for other commodities. And here we have sales (by the owners of commodities) without purchases (by the owners of gold or silver).

What?

If selling is the trade of use-value with exchange-value represented by money, then to say that selling something to a miner isn't selling is wouldn't either mean that

A)mining doesn't generate value, even though it's human labour
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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:28 No.1439

>B)precious metals don't have value, which in turn doesn't add up to either option A nor with out precious metals became money-commodity to begin with?

Nor with how precious metals

Fucking autocorrect

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:29 No.1444

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Marx is talking about using precious metals as money.

Buying: money form -> commodity form
Selling: commodity form -> money form

But if you are mining "money", at the point it enters circulation it is not yet in money form, since you produce it as a commodity to be exchanged for concrete use-values. For you it is commodity form -> commodity form. But for the person you exchange it with, it will be already in money form, therefore for them it is commodity form -> money form, i.e. selling.

If you have only buying and selling, the amount of money in circulation couldn't grow. This is how it grows anyway.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:17 No.1354 [Reply]

Does anybody have the pdf of Israel, A Beachhead in the Middle East: From European Colony to US Power Projection Platform by Stephen Gowans?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:18 No.1361

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>>1354
here's an epub, OP

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:20 No.1375

>>1361
t-thanks
for the record, 3 hours after making the OP, I independently found a MOBI file and converted it to pdf

but this is great for other anons regardless, highly recommend

it's a great book

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:24 No.1406

can anyone rec me good books about israel/palestine other than this one?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:21 No.1381 [Reply]

What are some similar writers to Kaczynski, Ellul and Zerzan?

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:22 No.1384

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Caveman wall drawings.
Semi-serious answer: Jacques Camatte, Fredy Perlman.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:23 No.1392

>>1381
Elliot Rodger

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:16 No.1344 [Reply]

Can anyone explain to me what Georges Sorel was about? I don't have means to get any of his books in where I live and I don't have much information about him other than Wikipedia.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:16 No.1345

>>1344
Can you not, look online? The only things I know about him was that he was a big theorist in the pre WWI Syndicalist movements and believed in like Voluntary Marxism but later a Nationalist of sorts and a supporter of the Bolsheviks. He was an odd fellow who inspired people from Lenin, Gramsci to Hitler and Evola. Again I'm sure you could find his writings online.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:19 No.1365

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Sorel is usually seen as a heterodox thinker because he has been influential in radical movements which are politically very desperate. This seems strange to a lot of people, but once you study his work it starts to seem perfectly natural. He has a whole thing about the importance of myth and the warrior ethos. Similar to what Plato advocated in the Republic in some regards. I think his most influential point though is the one which kinda pops the "oh so mysterious" bubble around him. He wrote a pretty solid and widely read defense of political violence called "Reflections on Violence". Naturally, any movement seeking to justify street violence will point to this, since it has name recognition and is only vaguely tied to any one political alignment.

I have attached a pdf of the aforementioned book. Unless you live somewhere with limited internet such that you can't access Russian servers though you definitely have access to Sorel's work (as well as most other books in general). Library Genesis is your friend.

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:19 No.1366

>>1365
>desperate
woops, meant disparate

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Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:21:18 No.1356 [Reply]

Any good books on the events of May '68? Hopefully from a modern day perspective. Documentaries are also welcomed.

I was looking into The Imaginary Revolution: Parisian Students and Workers in 1968 by Michael Seidman, but couldn't find any pdfs, so if you have one that you could share that'd be great.