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 No.5179[Reply]

how do I convince zoomers that watching YouTubers and streamers is not a substitute for reading original texts?
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 No.5267

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>>5179
This is essentially the question of how to get zoomers to understand their brains and their minds have been shattered by a universe of superfluous approaches to anything even slightly intellectual and constant flashing lights designed to distract them, and also how to help them break that cycle of distraction and start toughening their minds up to be able to handle anything more complex. Whether the topic is socialism or any other, watching youtube videos or streams is and always be an inadequate substitute for the real intellectual and mental nourishment found in books. I mean, really, the only meaningful course of action would be to find a way to help them improve their lives in general unironically. This can't be done over the internet. So, maybe approach zoomers in real life and try to impact their lives?!?
The fundamental fact about this kind of zoomer is that they HAVE to believe watching Vaush or Shaun or even listening to Chapo (as clear and straightforwardly as they present their content as purely entertainment), because reading for them is genuinely harder than for anyone who already has built that habit or just isn't stuck in the whirlwind of ADHD internet content! And, also important to remember is that reading probably it's gonna seem even harder than it really is before they actually do it, cause the human brain naturally recoils at being challenged to do something harder than it is accustomed to. Plus, many of them will have been presented with an exaggerated estimation of how hard reading actually is their whole lives, or at least have created that estimation for themselves in order to have an excuse to not do it.
Finally, it's good to regard that reading doesn't mean you have to read every volume of Capital (although the first is pretty mandatory IMO), all of Althusser's work, along with all of Cockshott, Hegel, Lenin, and all of Zizek and Chomsky to boot. Only some people will have that much interest and motivation, but really reading Capital Vol1 shouldn't be built up like some fuckin Everest only to be climbed by big-brains, it's really not that hard really.
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 No.5269

>>5267
>The fundamental fact about this kind of zoomer is that they HAVE to believe watching Vaush or Shaun or even listening to Chapo (as clear and straightforwardly as they present their content as purely entertainment)

Meant: HAVE to believe watching Vaush or Shaun or even listening to Chapo (as clear and straightforwardly as they present their content as purely entertainment) is an appropriate substitute for reading actual theory because reading for them is genuinely harder than for anyone who already has built that habit or just isn't stuck in the whirlwind of ADHD internet content!

>And, also important to remember is that reading probably it's gonna seem even harder than it really is before they actually do it


Meant: reading is gonna seem even harder than it really is, TO THEM before they actually do it
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 No.5276

I'm building on the premise of interpolation.

We've all been raising under Capitalism and have, as a result, had the profit motive deeply ingrained into us. Here I slightly part from rigid marxist line, and say that the profit motive here isn't only economic; it's also libidinal, psychological. The question one asks once they look at a book is, is it worth it? Even if they know, and admit in conversation that they should read it, they won't. To appropriate a Marx qoute "they don't know it, but they're doing it" one could argue today, in a different context, that they do know, yet they're still not doing it. How do we get people to read, I think good videos do inspire the viewer to want to learn. It's somehow getting them to take the "plunge" which seems to be the insurmountable task.
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 No.5304

>>5179

Tell them that many of the key ideas of the books are already discussed in the internet, thus, making it easier for them to catch up. For example, telling them to take their time to learn some important economic concepts instead of diving right into Das Kapital; showing them what they'll encounter in a certain book; just preparation in general, makes it easier for them.
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 No.5305

>>5267
This is why starting them on a beginner text is good
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm


 No.5223[Reply]

so what does this board have to offer
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 No.5240

>>5223
This board mainly offers books
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 No.5245

>>5240
any recommendations
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 No.5246

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 No.5253

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 No.5301

>>5228
>theoryhead
>Vaush
Faggot, please!!!!


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 No.5201[Reply]

I've seen in a lot of leftist YouTube videos Communists typically respond to the "tragedy of the commons" argument by referring to the history of Europe and how lands that were actually held in common ownership had private property introduced by force to alienate people from their means of production. are there any books that elaborate on the history of private property in detail, with reference to specific political leaders, parties, and events?
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 No.5202

I have a vague sense Maupin wrote a book on that but I could be wrong
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 No.5205

>>5202
I don’t see it. almost all of his books seem to be about modern politics based on their summaries, except City Builders which happens to reference (literally) ancient history. are you getting it mixed up with something else or is that it?
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 No.5212

>>5205
Ah isn't a book coming back to the thought I think it was a rant about the horrors of the seizure of the commons in one of his talks


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 No.5064[Reply]

There's been alot of talk lately of Metaphysics and Idealism as bad andf wrong
Contrary to Materialism and Dialectics which is the right method worldview etc
But I got the feeling alot of people use Idealism and Metaphysics interchangable without really understanding both
So I want to start a constructive discussion about these things
I'll start with a quote
The two basic (or two possible? or two historically observable?) conceptions of development (evolution) are: development as decrease and increase, as repetition, and development as a unity of opposites (the division of a unity into mutually exclusive opposites and their reciprocal relation)The two basic (or two possible? or two historically observable?) conceptions of development (evolution) are: development as decrease and increase, as repetition, and development as a unity of opposites (the division of a unity into mutually exclusive opposites and their reciprocal relation)
-Lenin
The metaphysical or vulgar evolutionist world outlook sees things as isolated, static and one-sided. It regards all things in the universe, their forms and their species, as eternally isolated from one another and immutable. Such change as there is can only be an increase or decrease in quantity or a change of place. Moreover, the cause of such an increase or decrease or change of place is not inside things but outside them, that is, the motive force is external. Metaphysicians hold that all the different kinds of things in the universe and all their characteristics have been the same ever since they first came into being. All subsequent changes have simply been increases or decreases in quantity. They contend that a thing can only keep on repeating itself as the same kind of thing and cannot change into anything different.
-Mao
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 No.5140

>>5139
Wasnt trying to be rude or anything just wanted to make a point about what vulgar evolutionism means
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 No.5207

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Are they right?
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 No.5209

>>5207
Ye. Most of dialectical materialism is about ironing out the inconsistencies of Hegel in his Philosophy of Right
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 No.5210

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>>5209
What about this?
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 No.5211

>>5210
There is definitly a difference between materialism and idealism
trying to find a middle point between both doesnt work with Hegel or Marx
Lenin called this out as dumb


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 No.5112[Reply]

This thread is for us NEETS to help each other and give tips to aspiring NEETS
For example how to get NEET buxs
How to cope with the mental consequences of beeing a NEET
how to overcome the creeping loneliness and slow mental declince
How to occupy yourself during these long boring lonely nights
I'll start I really love nightwalking the night time is my only possibility to get out of my room without having to cope with the anxiety that comes with going outside
So that really gives me the possibility to get some fresh air and exercise without stressing myself out
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 No.5192

>>5188
Even when translated they aren't the same. NEET is just a fancy term for someone who's unemployed and doesn't go to school either, while hikkis/shut-ins are a serious psychological issue.

If you're a NEET and you don't spend all your day in front of a computer then I applaud (and envy) you.
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 No.5195

>>5192
Not every hikki suffers from serious psychological issues though; some start out as freeters. Similar to this anon >>5177 I've been a NEET for nearly three years. Early on my neighbors once called me a vampire because they only ever saw me leave the house at night. Since the pandemic-driven lockdowns began that's become much less frequent, though (my 24/hr Wal-Mart started closing at 11pm everyday). Other than that, I've spent most days sitting in front of my computer; I'm basically a shut-in. My family has a history of attention deficit disorders but the last time I tried applying to the health insurance marketplace I was offered super unreasonable rates.
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 No.5198

Are there any major differences of characteristics between urban and suburban, over the patterns of hikikomori or NEETs? The latter seems like it'd be far more alienating, suburbia being already very atomized. How many NEETs are residing in cities anyways compared to suburban or rural areas?
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 No.5200

>>5188
pretty sure both words come from Japan
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 No.5203

>>5200
Nah it's from UK and then spread to Asia for some reason.


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 No.5185[Reply]

spoonfeed me books on learning mandarin
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 No.5162[Reply]

Has anyone read this book or knows something about it?
I heard about it some time ago and read a small part of it about bipolar disorder. It sounded fascinating but for some reason the book costs like 80 bucks so I cant afford. Is anyone able to provide a pdf or knows a place where one could get the book cheaper?
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 No.5164

Have you tried libgen?
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 No.5170

>>5162
Not that anon, but I just checked and it is on libgen. Looks very interesting.
> An essential issue here is the continuing contested nature of “mental illness,” for there remains no proof that any “mental disorder” is a real, observable disease. Consequently, the “experts” still cannot distinguish the mentally ill from the mentally healthy. In fact, a recent attempt by the APA—the most powerful psychiatric body in the world—to defi ne mental illness was bluntly described by one of their most senior fi gures as “bullshit” (see discussion below). Accordingly, it also follows that no “treatment” has been shown to work on any specifi c “mental illness” and that there is no known causation for any disor-der.
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 No.5173

>>5170
kek, abandoning Freud wasn't enough to gain status of empirical science I see
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 No.5178

>>5164
Found it thx
I'm gonna read it and make an effortpost here


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 No.5168[Reply]

I have a mate who's an Eastern European. He perceives himself as "self-made" because he escaped from childhood poverty in the 90s and he thinks other people could do the same if they "really" wanted. He also hates BLM because "African Americans have it better than any ex-USSR Slav just because they live in the US."

He's not a hardline right-winger, but a "classical liberal" who thinks it's meritocracy out there and laissez faire is cool and good for "resource distribution", while governments are obstructive and corrupt. He is open to learning, but I struggle to offer anything coherent beyond "read these 20 transcripts of the episodes of Citations Needed".

Please share some medium-sized books on:

1. How poverty kneecaps people on every level and becomes a vicious circle;

2. How the US keeps segregating and repressing its black population even after the Civil Rights movement (he's against slavery but thinks Black Americans could do better "if they wanted" because Slavs also had it bad a century ago);
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 No.5208

For the memes Sakai, but there's Prejudential, and also plenty of books on how blacks were denied houses or driven out of places.


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 No.4908[Reply]

how big is the skill gap between genre fiction and literary fiction? are there genre fiction writers who are equally as good as literary fiction authors?
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 No.5092

Whats the difference? Asking as a brainlet
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 No.5094

>>5092
Literary Fiction is designed to be more inventive in its style and use of language and maybe use a lot more big literary words, Genre fiction is more like lowest common denominator stuff like generic Sci-Fi, Fantasy, and Romance.
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 No.5102

>>5094
What about Tolkien and other sci-fi giants like Herbert, Asimov, Arthur Clarke, or William Gibson? I wouldn't consider them lowest common denominator, and they seem pretty well respected.
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 No.5103

>>4971
Yes but it's still genre fiction in the end
>>5092
Genre implies that something is expected, the most concise example of this is comedy, when you go to something that is supposed to be a comedy you expect it to be funny but what's funny changes according to culture and era but the genre label of comedy persists because that's the label for this specific thing.
Literary fiction is a recent term to hold all fiction that doesn't really fall into a genre but most people that go for it expects it to be fiction written for art's sake.
You can have sci fi that is well written and really deep but in the end it's still sci fi and your attempt to make it more literary will only alienate either audience.
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 No.5160

>>4908
Genre follows a given formula, which tends to make it less intellectual. There is, however, an art to the crafting of even formulaic works, the formula itself being an artistic subject. Genre writers have, on occasion, developed literary devices that later writers have found useful like Ian Fleming's "Fleming Sweep" or Elmore Leonard's rule: "If it looks like writing, I rewrite it." Elmore Leonard in particular was often refered to as the genre writer who serious writers take seriously.


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 No.5130[Reply]

I just finished uploading scans of Andrew Hemingway's Artists on the Left: American Artists and the Communist Movement, 1926-1956 to the internet archive and thought some of you might appreciate it.

https://archive.org/details/andrew-hemingway-artists-on-the-left-american-artists-and-the-communist-movement-1926-1956/
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 No.5132

muy basado
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 No.5136

Cool stuff comrade, but I somehow thought you meant Ernest Hemmingway. Though if I remember correctly, Ernest was a Leftist too?
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 No.5137

>>5136
>Though if I remember correctly, Ernest was a Leftist too?
He was but as far as I know he never explicitly supported the clandestine communist movement at the time. Like most people in orbit of CPUSA's mass organizations, he could best be described as a fellow traveler.
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 No.5142

>>5137
As for Andrew Hemingway, he's written extensively on British and American Art. If anyone is interested in developments in Social Realism or American Modernism in general (concurrent with the rise of Abstract Expressionism; more specifically with regards to CPUSA's approach to 'revolutionary' or proletarian art and lack of coherent cultural program before, during and after the Great Depression) then they'll find that book of great reference. Hemingway has continued writing on the themes discussed therein. In 2013 he published a book with Periscope Publishing titled The Mysticism of Money: Precisionist Painting and Machine Age America (which I may scan at some point as I actually own a copy). Additionally, he's published a few articles: one in Wiley-Blackwell's 2015 A Companion to American Art and the other in a 2016 issue of Kunst und Politik respectively, both of which I've attached to this post.
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 No.5143

>>5142
Lastly (and I don't mean to shill), if you're interested in his commentary on British Art then check out Brill / Haymarket Books' Landscape Between Ideology and the Aesthetic: Marxist Essays on British Art and Art Theory, 1750-1850. I haven't read it yet, but looks good.

https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1097-landscape-between-ideology-and-the-aesthetic
https://brill.com/view/title/25186


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