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 No.5817[Reply]

So, what I hear from from liberals, reactonaries but also some communists, is that a lot of Marx's concepts and categories are not empirically proven and just based on prior assumptions Marx makes(ie Dialectics) or based on his own morality. One of these categories disputed by liberal "intellectuals" is surplus value or profit in their view. They argue, that it only exists as an entity if you accept Marx's epistemology. Is it true?
This shouldn't be only about surplus value but about whatever seems to fullfill the premise of being an unsupported claim in Marx's works. Communists like Althusser insist that there are remnants of Hegelian Idealism in Marx that make some of his claims unscientific. Is there truth to that too?
>posting in /edu/ since I hope to get some good answers in this thread
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 No.5819

How is surplus value a Marxian category? It’s a name Marx made for something that is part of liberal categories. Marx only looked to understand the relation in those categories.
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 No.5823

>>5819
I said that a lot is based on prior assumptions. See:
>and categories are not empirically proven and just based on prior assumptions Marx makes(ie Dialectics)
This includes the political economy of Smith and Ricardo too. Now that bourgeois economics has moved away from the classicals, the question arises by liberals, if Marx's work can only work nowadays if you accept the categories of classical political economy. We can see that it is not true for the ltv since people like cockshott proved it empirically. Surplus value though…seems not to have been proven
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 No.5829

This is true for every theory. Atom is just a theory backed by copious data and evidence. You’re free to come up with an alternative hypothesis.
Just know that Neoclassical economics doesn’t have any more predictive power and the Post Keynesian prove this
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 No.5834

>>5823
Surplus is given value only by competition but surplus in general just means above what is necessary to maintain a group. If 5 people produce every day enough to produce all 5 of them every single day then they do not produce surplus. Now if 5 people produce double what they produced before then now they are producing a surplus. This would double what they needed to subsist. That's all surplus is. Surplus value is a category denoting s phenomena in modern political economy. The surplus value is only given value in comparison to other values in exchange, that is, commodity production. Surplus value has only been possible ever since the realization of generalized commodity production, to be distinct from former commodity production when someone would only barter or trade their surpluses. Generalized commodity production is what gives value it's value, alongside competition of course.


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 No.5798[Reply]

I want to talk about private property, it’s original inspiration to according to modern private property, and it’s development as private property in bourgeois society.
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 No.5800

>>5799
I didn’t say I want reading materia, I want to discuss.
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 No.5801

>>5800
But you didn't ask a question or anything. The clip is related to where private property comes from historically. Somebody could write what Mark Blyth said as a post but it would be the same thing. What's there to discuss exactly? The mercantile classes rose up against the nobility and took the state, then created private property as the means to make the commoners work for them as proles instead of peasants. That's the quick rundown version.
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 No.5802

>>5801
Wasn’t private property a kind of marriage of the old Roman private property law and the landed property laws of the feudal times?
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 No.5804

What do we call the property of the peasants, small landowners who were expropriated with the rise of capital?
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 No.5806

>>5804
We have to look at a feudal legal code to know that tbh.


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 No.5596[Reply]

I've made a backup of the bunkerchan.net /edu/ and /tech/ boards, since a couple of users mentioned that there were still some useful semi-active threads.
This is a direct offline mirror, those two boards should work properly. To enter, open /edu/index.html or /tech/index.html.
https://anonfiles.com/f4zd85u7u9/bunkerchan-edutech-archive_zip (about 400MB)

Let me know if there are any issues.
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 No.5723

Nice, bumping.
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 No.5781

>>5596
Trying to download it but it keeps sending me to pop ups and downloads random shit
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 No.5785

For real? I swear that site was fine last time I checked. Sorry.
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 No.5786

>>5781
When I have JavaScript turned off, it didn't give any ad pop-ups but if I have JS enabled it did until I clicked again. That site used to be the go-to but now it's flooded with ads and google trackers.
Anyone know a better long-term upload site?


 No.82[Reply]

Where do you find a comprehensive access to the Soviet archive? I really want to do more research using primary source to debunk reactionaries and Wehraboos. But trawling through the entire thing is just so time consuming.
There’s a recurring problem with modern history books (and other entertainment forms) in the Anglo sphere where they always cite Cold War era history works which in turn cite Nazi, gusanos or just made up garbage (The gulag archipelago being the biggest one).
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 No.88

>>87
Welp. All the more reason to finally learn Russian.
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 No.89

>>82
Somebody edit this image and replace fat nk piggy with stalin or something
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 No.4443

Ask Zemskov
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 No.4445

>>84
what? it's not that hard to get access

you say you are doing research for a paper and that is it
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 No.5782

>>89
That would imply Stalin's still alive.


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 No.626[Reply]

International Islamic Terrorism and it's effects in the WANA region. Tell me about it. What are some good books on them and their ideology.

The rivalry between pro-MB Qatar, Turkey and the Wahhabi Saudi Arabia and UAE. How long has this rivalry been brewing. Now days Qatar is presented as a terror financing bogeyman in Pro-Saudi media. They blame it for financing almost every terrorist group from Al-Qaeda to ISIS to Hezbollah. And even blame it for funding local opposition in the states that boycotted it: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Bahrain. Explain this rivalry to me. And how is it affecting the region. And what truth does the boycott allegations have?
https://youtu.be/qqETCuff4lw
https://youtu.be/vJyrbw7dvR4
Reasons of the boycott by AlArabiya: https://youtu.be/8Nj4TgxoBto
UAE-funded news on Qatar and the MB: https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/editorial/the-west-must-wake-up-to-the-muslim-brotherhood-s-malevolence-1.977207

Also refute this: https://youtu.be/lxp-HDSARXs

pic unrelated
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 No.5747

>pic
Why would those borders exist without the ottoman collapse
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 No.5768

>>5747
Geopolitics have changed and I haven't been able to really understand the question presented here. Anyhow that pic is a meme probably by a lib thinking those borders which were imposed by the british and french imperialists had any value.


 No.5750[Reply]

American WWII training videos are so cool. I don't know what else I should add here. I'm going to post a couple on various topics. Some might be more useful than others.
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 No.5752



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 No.5385[Reply]

"The Juche idea is a man-centered world outlook. It is a revolutionary, scientific, and political theory that accurately illumines the way for realizing the independence of the masses." - Kim Jong Il

Discuss the Juche idea, it's merits, similarities and distinctions from Marxism Leninism, post pdfs, videos, documentaries, and other educational material for coming to a proper understanding of the Juche idea and it's implications. I'll start off the thread with what is often described as the authoritative text for laying out the philosophical and socio-historical principles of the Juche idea, "On The Juche Idea" by Kim Jong Il.

https://korea-dpr.com/lib/Kim%20Jong%20Il%20-%204/ON%20THE%20JUCHE%20IDEA.pdf
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 No.5718

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>>5717
More texts on Juche
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 No.5719

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Texts about Songun
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 No.5737[Reply]

Title says it all mostly
Ive heard studies say that it doesn't affect the ability to recall the information highlighted, but could it be good for if you want to skim through the important points of the previous pages you've already read/highlighted before you continue on?
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 No.5738

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Yes, it is a waste of time (and book). Instead of highlighting/underlying, you should take notes. That way you won't have to skim plus it involves more thinking than just moving your pen across the text. But the best way to get better at recalling things is to practice recalling them. After you have finished a section/chapter/etc., close the book, and try to write down everything that you have found important in it. This is hard, but by far the most effective way to learn.
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 No.5740

>>5738

Yeah, I think it is pretty intuitive tbh. Like, in language learning it has been observed that when you practice some specific skill, you usually only bolster the skill. So vocabulary cards can help with recognizing words, but may not help with actually recalling them for sentence construction. That benefits much more from directly practicing sentence construction. What is highlighting practicing? In reality it seems pretty lazy, the way most people use it. Taking notes or trying to form concept maps involves a creative process of thinking through what you read and trying to manipulate the concepts you drew from it. It’s clearly much more active. I’d say even just pacing and thinking over what you read probably helps retention more than just highlighting, but the more involved act of writing, reading and editing your own thoughts seems like it would be one of the most beneficial methods of retention.


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 No.5858[Reply]

We have some threads on religion and what not, but I think we should have one taking "spirituality" as a developing science. I feel "spiritual science" isn't "anti-materialist" in the same way that quantum physics is not anti-classical physics. I'm also not saying to woo woo quantum physics into some kind of justification of spirituality. All of these things may be true and seemingly separate because of our lack of knowledge between the connections of these various phenomenon at different levels.

As for myself. I used to be a hardcore skeptic. I used to laugh at my Chinese friends telling me about Chi power and herbal medicine and whatnot. I remember my brother was interested in Chi-Qong and I brushed it off as at best a primitive understanding of understood biological processes. I had my first experience with Salvia Divinorum and immediately it was like my skepticism and my attachment to crude understandings of accepted science was blown out the window. I remember at the time I first encountered it, my inclination was to try and get some people smarter and more knowledgeable in physics and quantum physics than myself to try and encounter these kind of experiences and see what there interpretation would be. I've had many more experiences off and on various psychedelics since than, Marijauna, Mescaline, and LSD since than, and frankly, in the right state I feel like even completely sober, I could induce altered perceptions in myself and in others, but I feel like certain people who are attached to their learned perspective of reality are internally/sub-consciously afraid of ever opening themselves up to alternate perspectives. I am very hesitant to get myself involved with other people who are into this kind of stuff, because I feel like many of them, especially religious types, are victims of superstitious beliefs and understandings of these experiences and phenomenon. Yogis have talked about the high-probability of falling into superstition when encountering the spiritual unknown. It's really not hard to believe when we consider the history of accepted science. People not to long ago believed that flies spontaneously spawned from rotten food. A fault explanation of a phenomenon, does not negate the underlying phenomenon described.

There used to be in The West a high interest in spiritual science in the late 1800s early 1900s(Edgar Cayce, Dione Fortune, etc.) but all of that got kind of pushed to the periphery but still existed with somePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.5907

>>5859
Define eastern spirituality.
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 No.5908

>>5904
>Take it as a thought experiment, if you are interested.
ok
>I could tell you more abstract shit like people felt better when I was around in some instance and there would be even more hypothetical explanations.
You can't blame me for thinking this has a boring explanation: people like company.
>If something is purely some kind of biological process, it can't be replicated by anything but biological processes.
I have no problem with that, you are allowed to use biological components in a test-rig. Just as long as we get a thingy we can get objective measurements out of. The goal is to make the phenomenon happen without any source of bias.
>So you're saying this would be the beginning and the end of your own acceptance? What about all the sciences that don't require an instrument like that. Would it be un-scientific to say verbal abuse or something could effect someone psychological and physiologically? Unless I can construct a machine that could be affected by words in the same way a person could that means that phenomenon does not exist?
There is no mystery how abusive verbal communication is transmitted, we know how sound carries words, we know about vocal cords and ears, and we have external devices that replicate it in an objective way: we call it speaker and microphone. Metaphorically, you told us you could spook horses via an invisible telephone, it would be neat if we could figure out how it works, and build a model that isn't attached to your head, to play around with.
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 No.5909

>>5871
you are delusional. im not saying this only because of what you believe you can do but also your written explanation, it reeks of delusional thinking
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 No.5911



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 No.5530[Reply]

"EXPLAIN JUSTICE TO ME OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU! DON'T DUMB IT DOWN INTO SOME VAGUE SHIT! EXPLAIN JUSTICE TO ME RIGHT NOW OR I'LL LITERALLY FUCKING KILL YOu!"
- Plato, "Republic", 375 BC
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 No.5593

justice is the means by which transgressors are reintegrated into society. simple
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 No.5605

Is Haz back?
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 No.5700

Justice is a lofty word and abstraction.
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 No.5701

>>5531
le funny utilitarian moment
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 No.5704

He actually answers it though.


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