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 No.5927[Reply]

The other day in the China thread, I read an argument about supporting China over Vietnam despite the latter's arguably more "socialist" economy. The reason for support of China over Vietnam would be the fact that the former is most poised in breaking with the established American world order, while the latter is more inclined to appease American interests due to strained relations with the PRC.

All that's well and good, but these (nonetheless relevant) geopolitical considerations made me wonder how to study historical and current AES countries' political economies, their evolution, and how they stack up to, for example, western social democracies such as the Nordic countries in their heyday. Again, usually I'd be foaming at the mouth too seeing a comparison of Scandinavia with the late USSR, but from a purely economic standpoint it'd be nice to clear up some of the confusion.

This becomes especially interesting, once again, when bringing up modern-day China. Is it socialist? Is it just social democracy at the barrel of a gun? I feel like it's difficult nowadays to get a purely economic view of that question without involving, again, the matter of nigh obligation to critically support China due to their geopolitical position. Let's change that and drop some PDFs.
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 No.6005

Ladies, ladies, ladies, not in the edu thread. We share pdfs and epubs around these parts.

>>5997
>>5999
That being said, if you're gonna bitch about the commodity form – you might even be right – stop talking out of your ass like that and start making sense.
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 No.6006

>>6004
>But in large part commodity markets were secondary
But in the Soviet Uniom they weren't? Commodity markets were limited only to consumer goods, but they were still dominant in the Soviet Union? Got it
>But hey you haven't said anything of value, just the same nonsensical bullshit which is hilarious
Neither have you buddy. A mode of Production is being determined by surplus extraction as Marx recalled later during Volume 3. Being critical of past socialist experiments is easy, but actually overcoming the hurdles is a different thing
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 No.6007

>>6005
>We share pdfs and epubs around these parts
Guy is a newfag who wants to convince every board of his supposed superior intelligence
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 No.6008

>>6007
Samefag
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 No.6009

>>6005
Commodity fetishism.


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 No.2320[Reply]

Is mathematics invented, discovered or both?
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 No.5939

>If you are a materialist, then math is absolutely discovered. It is insane to think that aliens would have a math system where 2+2 is not 4.

Some uyghas ain't aware if non-well ordered sets…
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 No.5954

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>362 pages to prove 1+1=2
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 No.5955

>>5954
>principia matematica
Is that the book that gives your virginity back
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 No.5979

Mathematical Platonism was refuted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benacerraf%27s_identification_problem
Post rem structuralism is probably correct.
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 No.5980

>>5979
Can you explain to us uneducated what this means?


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 No.5956[Reply]

How do you decide what to read?

I am so hyper panicked with the idea that there are so many books to read just about leftism and history and with so many perspectives

It overstimulates me and I get stunlocked

What is your procedure and methods to reading in a uniformed structure?
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 No.5959

>>5958
Alright I have downloaded the pdf and will read it
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 No.5968

If I want a Book I buy it and read it over a stretch of time. Since I'm not rich I can only do this a handfull of times a year, so yeah that's how it works with me. I buy them in paperform because I want to build a small library
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 No.5974

>>5968
I hope you build a nice library anon.
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 No.5975

>>5974
Thanks Anon, appreciate it


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 No.5724[Reply]

Let's have a thread about chemistry. I can't be the only amateur chemist on here. To please the mods, everything in here is purely academic. Check local laws before you embark on your projects. And before you do anything, make sure you have appropriate safety equipment. Think about the worst thing that could happen to your reaction, because chances are it will. Don't be stupid.

Resources
https://www.sciencemadness.org/ The go-to site for amateur chemists
Wiki: http://www.sciencemadness.org/smwiki/index.php/Main_Page
Forums, require email registration: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/

Archive.org has plenty of old chemistry textbooks. The most useful ones for me are those meant to teach youngsters from the early 1900's.

YouTube
NurdRage, the OG channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/NurdRage
NileRed, the internet's premier piss chemist: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheRedNile
NileBlue, secondary channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1D3yD4wlPMico0dss264XA
Explosions&Fire, energetic materials: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVovvq34gd0ps5cVYNZrc7A
Extractions&Ire, secondary channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvFApMFo_AafXbHRyEJefjA
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 No.5728

>>5727
high temperature electrochemistry, but that's not very exciting for regular peeps. so, the usual: R-candy, smoke bombs and thermite

I have plans to "upgrade" some NaNO3 to KNO3 via metathesis with KCl. after that I might get into HNO3 synthesis by electrolysing bog water
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 No.5729

>>5728
>mfw caught my chemistry-hobbiest friend collecting rust in a bucket
He insisted it wasn't for thermite, but come on.
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 No.5730

>>5729
>I swear, it's for catalysing a fischer-tropsch reaction
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 No.5960

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I've been experimenting with ways of concentrating acetic acid. pic related is 4 ml ~66% AcOH by weight based on it being liquid at -20°C. freeze distillation worked best for this, but the yield isn't great: 4%

I tried simple distillation too, and despite AcOH and H2O not forming any azeotrope I didn't see much improvement over the 24% white vinegar I started with. it also formed copper acetate in my condenser, which I should have thought about tbh

next step is trying to drive off the water by mixing in IPA and distilling off the IPA+water mix (and resulting isopropyl acetate). molecular sieves would probably work better, but I don' have any
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 No.5961

>>5960
I forgot my freeze distillation method:

1) cool your white vinegar down enough to where it becomes a slurry and filter it until you get maybe 1/3 of the initial volume
2) put the mixture in a jar and stand it upright in a freezer
3) once the mixture has frozen, tip the jar over and let it sit in the freezer like that for a day
4) a small pool of liquid should have formed, separate from the frozen fraction. pour that off into a separate container

the concentration of the final fraction depends on the temperature in the freezer. the temperature must be above -26.7°C for this to work.


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 No.5843[Reply]

Most Marxists, for obvious reasons, are primarily concerned with the analysis of the capitalist mode of production, this causes many marxists (including myself) to have a poor or just a very basic understanding of pre-capitalist modes of production.
An in-depth understanding of these modes of production is, however, essential for reasonable historical materialist analysis.
Post videos, books, articles and so on for education on this topic.
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 No.5845

Apparently the simplified serf and Lord dichotomy didn't stay the same throughout the middle ages, but developed. In the high middle ages the serf was bonded to the lord full stop but as we get to the late middle ages apparently it apparently became something of a social contract between the lord and peasant/serf, that could be negotiated.
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 No.5846

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this is a great book and really explains Marxist themes lucidly.

Haven't been able to find a pdf though
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 No.5857

>>5846
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=CB6553D818BE1F07A534A3A88E8B0DBA

Here is the link. Dude, just uhh, use libgen.is — at least for the anglo literature it is vast and very accomodating. I use other sources for literature in my language, but libgen should suffice for most things.

Also archive.org is great for searching things from last past century, old books et cettera.
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 No.5947

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 No.5948

I find it interesting that ancient societies ran on debt allocation, so much so that debt abolition was an actually platform politicians would campaign on.


 No.1000[Reply]

So I wrote a pdf, on the reconstructed language of old Prussian. This language is actually going through a revival, from what I could gather. Since last year I found a YouTube channel where a family from Lithuania speak this language in a daily basis, and even their daughters speak it. So I got the dictionary of the language, read some posts on their facebook page, and listened to their speech. This pdf is mostly an overview of the language, I am not a linguistic or anything like that, I am just a random guy who likes languages.

So I wanted to post it somewhere, and I decided to post it here first, I think that there are some people here that would be interested in this.

The YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhLH_SLh3apNZjSruEXZMg

The dictionary
https://wirdeins.twanksta.org/

A site with good resources
https://bila.twanksta.org/
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 No.5848

bump, that's impressive
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 No.5916

bump!


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 No.5849[Reply]

anyone here ever read gentile ? whats his writings like, is there any merit to what he has to say as well as any relevant criticism of capitalism or socialist movements ?
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 No.5856

It's pretty underwhelming imo. If you want to understand the Ideology and movement, that was 20th century fascism then you have to read him atleast once, but there are more fascinating writers under that tent tbh


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 No.1855[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Was the Meiji restoration and "restoring power to the emperor" a good or bad thing in 18th century Japan for the peasants? It marked the upper class revolution that caused the samurai feudal system to transition into a capitalist system. (Which ultimately turned into a racist imperialist empire that tried to invade and oppress all of its neighbors in Asia in a sort of fascist system, and as Japan lost the war the people starved and suffered greatly.)

I just found this photograph btw. Samurai didn't look nearly as impressive as I thought they would, and that hairdo is "objectively ugly."

There were a lot of peasant revolutions/movements that tried to go against the samurai but they all ultimately failed so no one except historians talk about them. Unfortunately too, the people who study Japanese history appear to be mostly weebs who romanticize the samurai so much that you never get to hear about the peasents' movements.
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 No.5809

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>>1948
can I get a bump on this?
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 No.5810

>>1855
Japan was a hyper feudalist society rivalling that of europe, the country was mostly subdued and revaltively peaceful so the warrior-aristocrat caste fell into irrelevancy and the petite-booj flourished which allowed it to transitition so well into capitalism but since petit-booj class intetest is conservative in the face of imperialism fascism would be its last stand in vain.
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 No.5811

I don't know how accurate the game "Ghost of Tsushima" is in portraying feudal Japan, but one thing they game highlights at the end is how the "cod of honor" of the samurai was a covert way for cementing the class rule of the Shogun. The MC gets sperged on by the Samurai throughout the game for not only being "without honor" but also for teaching the peasants to fight themselves and resist their "leaders". I can imagine this to have happened in a similiar fashion back then tbh
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 No.5828

How bourgeois, or if not then "feudal remnant", was the Meiji Restoration anyways?
Didn't much of the caste of samurai get relegated to more typical "bourgeois" positions, deprived of feudal privileges, with only a superficial exaltation of their status so as to promote the bushido militarist stuff?
Are there any good books on this era about that?
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 No.5835

>>5828
It's not solely on this era, but Pierre François Souyri did a good job at explaining the overall path to modernity of Japan. I'm not sure if his books are translated in english tho.


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 No.5817[Reply]

So, what I hear from from liberals, reactonaries but also some communists, is that a lot of Marx's concepts and categories are not empirically proven and just based on prior assumptions Marx makes(ie Dialectics) or based on his own morality. One of these categories disputed by liberal "intellectuals" is surplus value or profit in their view. They argue, that it only exists as an entity if you accept Marx's epistemology. Is it true?
This shouldn't be only about surplus value but about whatever seems to fullfill the premise of being an unsupported claim in Marx's works. Communists like Althusser insist that there are remnants of Hegelian Idealism in Marx that make some of his claims unscientific. Is there truth to that too?
>posting in /edu/ since I hope to get some good answers in this thread
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 No.5819

How is surplus value a Marxian category? It’s a name Marx made for something that is part of liberal categories. Marx only looked to understand the relation in those categories.
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 No.5823

>>5819
I said that a lot is based on prior assumptions. See:
>and categories are not empirically proven and just based on prior assumptions Marx makes(ie Dialectics)
This includes the political economy of Smith and Ricardo too. Now that bourgeois economics has moved away from the classicals, the question arises by liberals, if Marx's work can only work nowadays if you accept the categories of classical political economy. We can see that it is not true for the ltv since people like cockshott proved it empirically. Surplus value though…seems not to have been proven
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 No.5829

This is true for every theory. Atom is just a theory backed by copious data and evidence. You’re free to come up with an alternative hypothesis.
Just know that Neoclassical economics doesn’t have any more predictive power and the Post Keynesian prove this
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 No.5834

>>5823
Surplus is given value only by competition but surplus in general just means above what is necessary to maintain a group. If 5 people produce every day enough to produce all 5 of them every single day then they do not produce surplus. Now if 5 people produce double what they produced before then now they are producing a surplus. This would double what they needed to subsist. That's all surplus is. Surplus value is a category denoting s phenomena in modern political economy. The surplus value is only given value in comparison to other values in exchange, that is, commodity production. Surplus value has only been possible ever since the realization of generalized commodity production, to be distinct from former commodity production when someone would only barter or trade their surpluses. Generalized commodity production is what gives value it's value, alongside competition of course.


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 No.5798[Reply]

I want to talk about private property, it’s original inspiration to according to modern private property, and it’s development as private property in bourgeois society.
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 No.5800

>>5799
I didn’t say I want reading materia, I want to discuss.
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 No.5801

>>5800
But you didn't ask a question or anything. The clip is related to where private property comes from historically. Somebody could write what Mark Blyth said as a post but it would be the same thing. What's there to discuss exactly? The mercantile classes rose up against the nobility and took the state, then created private property as the means to make the commoners work for them as proles instead of peasants. That's the quick rundown version.
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 No.5802

>>5801
Wasn’t private property a kind of marriage of the old Roman private property law and the landed property laws of the feudal times?
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 No.5804

What do we call the property of the peasants, small landowners who were expropriated with the rise of capital?
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 No.5806

>>5804
We have to look at a feudal legal code to know that tbh.


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