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So not to long ago i was looking into aluminum as an anode material for batteries, because i thought that since Aluminum was such a common element it couldn't possibly become a conflict mineral. And here we go, just a month later there is a coup in Guinea for bauxite (a rock that is mined for it's relatively high aluminum content)

This is really annoying, i thought that it might be possible to design technology in a way that it could circumvent imperialism. I thought that Lithium was only the subject of imperial games because it's relatively rare. As it turns out this is wrong.

What's the error in my theory ? Not every raw material is stalked by the empire, so what are the characteristics that play the key role ?
Is it even possible to bypass the imperial machine or are they just going to jump on every material as soon as it's harnessed for a technological application. Is the type of technological application the key factor ?


Aluminum is one of the most abundant elements on earth, just go melt down soda cans.


You are victim of a crappy childish concept of imperialism.
The war for resources aren't the capture of such materials in order to take a better position on the market, so that there can be different players fighting against each other. Of course this happens too, but the main point is that imperialism (especially now that imperialism is just one big global cartel) trascends the market, war for resources is a war ON resources. The purpose is to make them scarce and tightly controlled by monopolies. Enclosure. Look at oil.


>The purpose is to make them scarce and tightly controlled by monopolies. Enclosure.
Isn't the idea for using abundant elements that it's too hard to enclose ?


yeah it can be a prolonged war, but even comically abundant shit needs to be transformed, transported, technology etc. any kind of obstacle can be laid in its way.


> any kind of obstacle can be laid in its way.
I take this means that going around enclosures isn't an option ?
They put resources and effort into enclosing, how can that be repurposed ?
If we can find something that is beneficial for society and feeds on enclosures and drain it away, this problem could be solved elegantly.

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To be clear, I'm not looking for stuff from picrel. I already understand many of the material achievements of the USSR, what I'm looking for is some discussion (ideally with some sources) on what changed "day-to-day" for the Russian worker. Say I'm a worker at a textile factory in 1917, I'm not entirely sure what the entire Bolshevik program is, but I understand that they're advocating for me and I vaguely support them. I don't join any parties, but maybe I have a brother who joins the Red Army.

Without getting into the minutia of the affects of the civil war, what changes at my workplace for me after the conclusion of the revolution. The kind of questions I want to ask are:

>Must I keep working at the textile factory, or can I apply for other sources of employment?

>Am I still paid wages? if so are they money or some kind of "labor voucher", if I continue to work at the mill, what kind of decisions am I able to make regarding its production (things like shift length, quotas, decorum or rules of conduct)?

>What does the "management" structure look like, do I vote for my manager (like how they did later in the GDR), can I fire him?

>If I'm late what happens? and what changes if I'm late all the time? If there's guaranteed employment and I get fired, what happens? Do I have to apply at another place of employment, or is that new employment assigned to me?

>Is the new Soviet labor process maintained, or is it stopped and replaced with another at some point, if so then when?

I would appreciate any responses, or even corrections if I made any assumptions when posing these questions.


Turnover during the most “authoritarian” era which is Stalin, was very high. Workers often would leave a job and the state was obligated to keep them employed since it was illegal to be unemployed without good reason. So workers were not “forced” to stay in a job they didn’t want and in fact incentives both despotic and financial would brung in to lower turnover. The despotic part is that managers would write up employees that were late or whatever and would show up in their record but turnover was so high that managers couldn’t really manage this so instead financial incentives were offered to keep workers working in one place.

The truth is that workers in the Soviet Union were just as not fulfilled with their duties as any worker in the west would feel if he has to work pressing the same button every day for 8 hours or cleaning toilets. That kind of work sucks and is boring but that’s inevitable consequences of the division of labor and no amount of bucks will give you satisfaction of having to clean shit from the streets. Marx even criticized utopian socialists who magically wanted to make people “enjoy” back breaking monotonous work, but Marx and Engels pointed out that we could only lessen the pain of such work with a shorter working day and higher wages or cooperative ownership but that doesn’t get rid of the monotony. In order to abolish undesirable work, the division of labor has to be abolished as Engels and Marx pointed out multiple times in The German Ideology.

So how did the Soviets improve the conditions of workers? By guaranteed employment, housing, education etc. which are all great things, period.



Speaking from experience, strangely enough I find cleaning things and relatively monotonous work much more enjoyable than super high paced, stressful, mindfucking "interesting" service work.

There is something to be said for being bored at work as opposed to stressed.

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if technological advancement is an unconditional good concerning shortening labour time and increasing social connectivity then is it communist praxis to promote it's proliferation? and is it really the only communist duty in a liberal and post-political age? in other words, is the sham of the market really just the un-realisation of it's own capacities with stifling such as intellectual property and patents slowing down and shutting off competition and self-sufficient enterprises? that's my thought at least, in terms of production, the market simply fails due to it's own profit motive. it's the same principle as manufactured scarcity - you get to make more money by producing less - a communist society would be aimed at the highest modes of sustainable development, and this is it's central model, no? The accelerationist argument is simply that what creates technological advancement more effectively is the market, but we see from it's own self-limiting factors that this cannot be the case, so what is the strategy?
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He digitization and central planning of the economy is slowly taking over not just economically objectively but also politically represented in the rising technocratic greens and parties like it. Of course just because an economy planned by central computer systems is going to happen and is already happening doesn’t mean that it means that capitalists will disappear as well. A planned economy itself will eventually have to force out the capitalist in favor of the high salaried executive which is essentially the model that exists now only that shareholders are no longer useful in their bringing capital together since it can be done by central planning systems done by engineers who build these systems. Socialization is inevitable but obviously the shareholders will do everything in their power to maintain their power of finance which is political influence. Bringing the economic planning and control of the economy to the technocrats allows for the rational allocation and use of resources rather than the adventurist garbage that billionaires do like Musk and Bezos. Their bullshit like the hyper loop crap or Bezos commercializing space travel is not based on rational necessity and only adventurist garbage since building trains is a lot more efficient as regards the hyperloop crap and making cheaper space travel will be born out of necessity of space mining, which will bring in more returns rather uselessly building rockets to “commercialize” a billionaire profit seeking industry.


>the earth is flat trust me bro


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>put you trust in the high salaried executive
I get it, Bezos is full of shit but still
>cgi space bezos
I understand your impulse to deny him astronaut glory, but there are other ways


There is nothing wrong with administrative executives that have the knowledge to run large systems, read On Authority by Engels. The consequences of the division of labor has made it so, and so the organization of an entire industry needs to organize its capital in a specific way to achieve certain results; you can’t have one guy running the factory, the store, the finance etc. all at once.

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Democracy: Governance by lot with citizen participation in major decision-making
"Representative democracy": an Orwellian word inversion used basically to describe the Roman oligarchic system of governance with fake appeals to populism peddled by Jefferson, Madison, and especially Andrew Jackson

Were leftists of the late 19th and early 20th century aware that this word inversion had taken place? Did any of them have an inkling that elections were a naturally oligarchic institution? I am curious about the effect this historical revision of the democratic mode of governance had on socialist strategies, tactics, and institutions. I know Marx had an education in the Greek classics, so at least he was aware… Right?
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Anons. Comrades. I have stumbled upon a very important book that I believe tells the complete story of the distortion and re-appropriation of the word "democracy" starting near the end of the 18th century to mean the opposite of its original meaning. There's only one problem: it's in French with no English translation. What to do? I can't believe this hasn't been translated, this seems like an incredibly important book and it covers significant history of English-speaking societies.


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I don't know French.


Yes it seems that way, representative forms of democracy skew towards plutocracy.
>Were leftists of the late 19th and early 20th century aware that this word inversion had taken place? Did any of them have an inkling that elections were a naturally oligarchic institution?
>I am curious about the effect this historical revision of the democratic mode of governance had on socialist strategies, tactics, and institutions.
Not much because with the logistical means of the 19th and early 20th century it would have been very difficult to have a sortition on the scale of the Soviet Union for example.

We should find ways to try out sortition IRL for experimental reasons to see what kind of politics arise from it, and for experiential reasons because we are so used to the electoral system where you yell at representatives, that we don't know how it would feel. There is one particular aspect that interests me, how would investigative journalism work when political bodies are drawn by lottery. How do ploys for power and intrigue unfold, and what would happen to bribery. I have a vague intuition a lot of that stuff would morph into different forms, how would investigative journalism transform, would it become a more effective institution than in electoral systems ?


Too rich for my blood, guess I'll just have to slowly wade through a machine translation trying to make sense of it.



Its not just etymological its also conceptual: Getting marxists and communists to buy into the idea of human rights for example was very destructive ideologically, since it implicitly replaces a social and historical conception of morals/normativity with a transhistorical and invidualist ones (sometimes even becoming naturalistic).

Rights are nothing but a social institution with legal backing/enforcement after all. I have often proposed that we use the term "social guarantees" as a substitute so as to demystify the discourse and create something we can advocate for that does not universalist, individualist, propertarian, etc.and therefore ultimately bourgeois connotations.

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🗽/USAPol/ - United States Politics 🦅
Thread for petit discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth.

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Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFE
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Sorry, fag, but just "because I don't like it" doesn't mean I'm wrong.


Can I get done context for this?


>tfw you cant get whipped by a rein
lick the cowboy boot, cuck


so there was this guy in 1776…


Thoughts on India Walton, burger bros?


So into this little Internet brawl of Midwestern Maupinist Marxists of 300 GHz characteristics and anime PFP third worldists steps in none other than the OG Jason Unruhe, here to promote the mass deportation somehow of all the 95 percent of people on the continent of N.A. who hadn't been descended from the people lived there hundreds of years ago.
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The hinkle, caleb and haz talk about this completely BTFO's this retarded fat fuck's video


t. Lassalle


I’m with the roo, America must burn


Impotent cuck rage. america will forever dominate you little bitch

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Thread with documents about the last real communist revolution of this forsaken world.
Gott straife the revisionists.
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Democratic Kampuchea was the best east asian country, not only because of it's lucid adherence to Marxism, but because of the homely sense of liberation from imperialism that once ran through the nation. It was the best country in asia because it stood as the core of all Anti-Imperialist values - that, of course, what is not misconstrued. I think the immense respect Kampucheans once had for their people is a result of having so little division amongst eachother; they were dead set on freeing their people from the tyrannical monarchy and establishing people power - they thought of their homeland and their people in nearly every aspect of life, and through this, they developed a free and united socialist nation, destroying the moloch that was the french-controlled monarchy, benefitting humankind and naturally, the planet. The effect was subconscious and I am proud of this form of indoctrination.


I think the Kampuchean communists success was facilitated by the absence in their country of a communist or socialist tradition. They were just a bunch of guys with the correct line.


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It's not hard to think that considering the Kampuchean people were being slaughtered by the french and their monarchist lackeys. It's natural to be widely supported by the people when you stand against the attempted genocide of your people. The Khmer Rouge acted solely in self-defence.

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I don't think this semen slurping nation's right to self determination delcolonial narrative is for me bros.
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Suck it up burgers this is all your fault


I don't think the rule for countries having a right for self determination is based on some moral principle. It's just too hard to do. Some very few historical examples worked out alright, but that's more the exception than the norm. So the general pattern is to avoid interfering with the internal affairs of other countries for the benefit of both parties.


girls haven't been able to go to saudi arabia this whole time.

where were your tears for them??


oh shut the fuck up you sanctimonious prick
you sound like a fucking pansy ass two faced liberal columnist
how slimey of you to paint having different principles than you as to having no principles

the greater good matters the most
the side of communism is the side of human progress and that's why i have a distaste for wasting the time humanity has in pathetic geopolitics.
nationalism is a disease and the sooner the world becomes united under one banner the better this world will be.

national self-determination is a blockade in that progress towards communism, it is a neutral stance that allows the blooming of anti-socialist states


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Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
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>Queen sends greetings message to Kim Jong-un on North Korea's national day








how much bullshit do you think this is


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KPRF seems to be getting ahead in the russian elections

Moscow. September 20th. INTERFAX.RU - After processing 99% of the protocols for the elections to the State Duma in the Khabarovsk Territory, the Communist Party gained 26.51%, the chairman of the Central Election Commission of the Khabarovsk Territory Denis Kuzmenko told reporters on Monday.

According to him, United Russia got 24.50% of the vote, the Liberal Democratic Party - 16.19%.

The 5% threshold was crossed by the parties: "New People" - 7.72%, "Fair Russia - For Truth" - 6.45%, "Party of Pensioners" - 5.74%.

In the 69th single-mandate constituency out of ten candidates in the top three, Boris Gladkikh from the United Russia party, he gained 25.58%. The representative of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Petr Perevezentsev got 20.79%, the candidate from the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia Alexander Fedchishin - 9.11%. The turnout was 44.27%.

There were nine candidates in the 70th single-mandate constituency. The majority belongs to Pavel Simigin from United Russia - 18.14%. Larisa Zvinyatskaya, a representative of the Communists of Russia party, gained 16.14%. For the candidate from the Liberal Democratic Party Ivan Pilyaev, 15.22% of voters cast their votes. The turnout is 42.46%.

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/792303 (article is in russian and i passed it through google translate)
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yes the Bolsheviks were famously voted into office in 1917


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While it's nice to know that communism is regaining popularity. I cannot imagine even a shadow of the ussr reforming as long as putin and his circle are alive.


What does Putin's existence have to do with the current communist party other than obviously he would rather them not exist?


what the fuck is this question
what else could they have in relation

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