/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

fixed the got meme that's making the rounds

can someone male a left wing version of this meme

>>402344
I'm not a Holodomor=intentional genocide type, but a 3% mortality rate in gulags is 10x current US prison rate, so i wouldn't call it "roughly equal".

>>454486
It's already leftwing

>>442158
They killed Naji so they can rot in hell for all I care

>>442158
I do not support the Taliban because they are not governing based upon scientific principles. A proper socialist government must always defer to scientific truths and the people governed should eagerly adhere to those laws. I see neither such reality in Afghanistan under the Taliban rule.

>>455165
I don't really agree with this because there are important concepts to humans such as freedom that can't really be measured by any scientific theory. Of course we should always relegate and listen to the sciences to guide us as people as this is a tried and true tested methodology, but,some things are not so simple and this is why the open forum exists.

>>442158
>Do you support the taliban?
The US funded and armed the Taliban in the 80s to overthrow the Government the Soviets put into place in Afghanistan. You have to ask the American rulers why they thought getting the Taliban into power was better. Maybe the Soviets would have been able to set up a modern and secular governance in Afghanistan. With enough industrial development, that may have worked, i guess we'll never find out.

The US occupation didn't try to do enough industrial development, for it to have a chance at modernizing and secularizing afghan society, they went a more colonial rout of using bribes to set up vassals and comprador aristocrats. And that wasn't going to work in the modern age. It was always going to end up like it did. Afghanistan was producing 80% of the worlds opium, right before the US invasion opium production dropped to almost nothing because the Taliban banned drugs. After the US invasion opium production got restored. One wonders if that had something to do with it.

>>455166
>I don't really agree with this because there are important concepts to humans such as freedom that can't really be measured by any scientific theory.
Why not ?
I doubt that people will really agree on a definition for freedom, but it doesn't mean you can't have a scientific understanding about how societies struggle to define concepts. The capitalists define freedom as what ever lets them steal surplus from the workers. You can imagine why the workers would feel more free when they can keep more of the surplus they produce. This is not the only dimension how societies struggle about freedom, but it's an example of how a scientific approach would work. Another example would be how currently the ruling class is trying to control the narrative, they are trying to re-define freedom of speech as a narrow range of discourse they find acceptable. And obviously most other people object to having their expression dampened, by such machinations.

No to Macron and Le Pen! For an active boycott of the 2022 French elections!
>The PES proposes to workers and youth not to vote in the elections and to advocate a conscious political rejection of the poisoned choice between Macron and Le Pen.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/04/12/zwtv-a12.html

Very informative analysis of French politics and class struggle!

In reading this article, French elections gave me a flashback to US electoral farce. The dual between Macron and Le Pen reminded of Trump versus Hilary Clinton. Mélenchon plays the role of Bernie Sanders. It is more or less the identical scenario with different actors resulting in the same outcome: the French working class interests sacrificed.

Macron, a former banker, and Marie Le Pen are establishment candidates and both serve the French ruling class. Macron is nicknamed 'Le Petit Napoleon', the diminutive Napoleon, as he rules with an iron fist. Marie LePen is a fascist. Like Trump, she appeals to anti-immigrants and anti-Muslims.bigots. Neither candidate represents the working class.

Melenchon is the French version of the American Bernie Sanders. He also asked his supporters to switch their votes to Hilary Clinton, the anti-Russian warmonger, after he was conspired against by the Democratic party. Many of his followers refused to endorse her.

Macro has had a tumultuous experience as president of France. He angered Algeria, a former colony, by criticizing its government resulting in Algeria closing its airspace to French airplanes. He was also outplayed in Mali by Putin, ending with the French exiting Mali. Then Macron was humiliated by the submarine deal where France lost a 10 Billions contract to USUKAUS plot against France. To make matters worse, he was slapped by a French citizen during a campaign.

French politics mirrors that of the US in so many ways. Le Pen is not anti-Russian so was Trump. Macron pursued almost the same policies Hilary would have enacted had she been elected, She was a staunch opponent of Putin. There are differences between France and US politics of course.
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>>455078
Thank you WSWSanon

Le Pen seems like someone amerimutts would call a commie because of her economic positions. Her any day over Macron definetly.

>>455115
I mean yes, but also, I wont invest a lot of energy arguing about the minute differences of two liberal political candidates.

By god, La Pucelle please win.

Please win.

Sauve la France!

>>455107
Do you guys remember the girl who interrupted TV news on Pervy kanal with anti-war poster? She was praised even by Zelensky himself.
Well, she's now "russian propagandist" according to ukrainian media. Why? Because she said that the Putin's regime is guilty in the war but not the russian people (or something like that). And ukrainian activists are trying to get her fired from her job in Die Zeit (where they gave her a job after she was fired from Pervy kanal.)

Ukronazis really aren't different from american radlibs lmfao

>>455107
Ofc anyone who believes in democracy under liberalism is fooling themselves. Powerful elites manufacturer consent of the population through financial power and the education system, media, etc etc.

Ukraine is just getting a bit desperate it appears. Interesting that painting your opposition as Nazis is going to be a propoganda tactic going forward though. Leftists need to do a better job codifying and understand Nazis and fascism in the first place because this is kind of our fault over all for letting Nazism get turned into "anyone who does violence"

>>455112
>Leftists need to do a better job codifying and understand Nazis and fascism in the first place because this is kind of our fault over all for letting Nazism get turned into "anyone who does violence"
What's wrong with the Marxist codification which goes: Fascism is mask-off, turbo-reactionary imperial finance capitalism ?
<the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/08_02.htm#s2

The liberal media was releasing articles about Ukraine having a problem with fascism, showing pictures of them wearing swastikas and other Nazi symbols, until recently. The liberals don't have a coherent definition of fascism, but they were still able to recognize these ones, especially since they basically copied the Nazi aesthetic. What got in the way was their opportunism.

>>455120
There's nothing wrong with that analysis the issue is that leftists don't understand that.

It hasn't been averted, Not even close. Millions and millions of people ar estill going to be effected by this in the coming 60 years, but, signs are good and we are managing to, hopefully, avoid the worst of it. Make no mistake though people on the coast are still fucked beyond belief.

Nice. At least the air will be more fresh and breathable and cities will go more green so I can toke cannabis and enjoy nature as my cope for being a lifelong perma-virgin

>>455103
Did you even read >>455102
That's hardly the case.

No mention of the ecological collapse that is certain to happen. Their agumet relies on some deus-ex "improved technology" and saying it's certain that everyone will switch to electric or renewable and that will stop climate change. It's not guaranteed that every country will do this, and It will take decades for the switch to electric/renewable and that's if nothing bad happens in these countries which is not guaranteed. Africa is projected to have the largest population increase of the continents, these hundreds of millions of people are not going to be driving electric.

>>455011
>If I call it liberation then it is.
USSR was using the Warsaw Pact as client states. They got some benefits from it but they mostly paid fealty to Stalinland. Which is why almost all the Soviet satellites faired better after it collapsed than the USSR did, save Cuba and NK which were practically graphed to onto the USSR.

>>454992
>All of the republics of the USSR saw significant economic development and increases in quality of life.
Except it would have been pretty hard to make economy and quality of life worse after two consecutive world wars. The real metric should be how slowly did economy rise in soviet countries compared to capitalist ones? The answer is, they are still trying to catch up 30 years later…

>The comparison is nonsensical for that reason.
The comparison was one of mentality: European imperialists argue that their colonies were better off by being conquered; Tankies argue that Soviet states were better off by being conquered. You didn't address that at all. Just saying "we are the good guys therefor it's different" is an admission of defeat.

>The Bolsheviks took these territories with the intention of building socialism in these lands.
But if socialism is so great all you need to do is build up your own country and everyone else will follow voluntarily

>>455014
Most soviet states did a lot worse after the USSR dissolved. Why do you make shit up ?

>>455013
No one said improving you liberal faggot. Conditions did improve but freeing people from the tyranny of fucking capital is freedom you retard. Stop defending the us

>>455047
Can you not read, I said they did better than Russia itself after the break up.

>>452901
Earth really is a backward shithole. Why can't it be a nicer place like the Solar system. Everybody knows the Universe of Time and Space is the forward looking part of the frame of reference.

Nationalism deludes you. Embrace the world in total and refuse the framing error fallacy.

>>454750
He's not wrong.

>>454750
He's not wrong.

>>454860
>Framing error fallacy

The what?

Research the conditions in which a revolution can happen. If the majority is eating bread and has a job they are not going to pick up arms.

>>454770
The Greyzone does excellent reporting on this. There is a Nazi occupied government in Ukraine.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/

>>454928
>>454928
I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong, but, greystone isn't the most objective outlet, lol.

>>454930
Why do you say this?

>>454932
>>454932
Because they have a pretty clear bias imo.

>>454747
time for re-unification

Okay I hope Lee Jay wins

Being anti-sjw only matters if you are also a communist. Otherwise you are just a reactionary dipshit who, also, is into idpol but doesn't realize it cause he's a smooth brain.

Men are tried of feminism. Feminism is literally "The Protocol of Zion" but with Jews replaced with penis havers. Strap yourself in because this is the century of the beta uprising.

>>454903
lololol

>>454759
There is no difference between Russians and Ukrainians other than their language, and even the languages are so similar the relation between the two people obvious.

>>454771
People on the east half of Ukraine are basically considered Russians from what I understand.

>>454765
One of the most. Resisting nazi vandalism for 8 years and then purging them all while wrecking NATO. I say based.

>>454772
Yes, but my point is the division between eastern Slavs is borderline fake.

>>454861
Says who?