/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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>>438555
>in case the board split again due to mod autism

i know this post is from years ago. but what makes you guys think that the board is going to split again ?

>>477092
>doing commodity production for profi
That's a stretch

Look into the difference between the production of commodities and the realization of profit

>>477093
Ok i get your point.

But the US and the west in general do have some industrial production. We could say it's a narrow base.

The base of the economy doesn't technically have to be the largest occupation. Tho It's certainly weird if it isn't.

>>477081
Their censorship is against the common folk, in line with the transhumanist globalist agenda to destroy workers and peasants. We must stand up!

>>477094
>It's weird if it ain't

Not really.

On one hand, as the SNLT to produce commodities decreases, it's natural the more labor would be allocated toward tertiary activities.

On the other hand, it was a conscious strategy of porkie in the 80s and 90s to move production to the global south while the west was meant to remain dominant through financial investment and rents on intellectual property.

As such, a modern goal of socialism shouldn't merely be for the working class to seize the means of production (espresso machines and social media apps?) – but rather to abolish those tertiary economic activities which serve the interests of capital/control yet don't really enhance the quality of life for people (for example, the entire medical insurance industry, which rests as a scammy parasite activity atop actually providing medical services).

>>477103
>On one hand, as the SNLT to produce commodities decreases, it's natural the more labor would be allocated toward tertiary activities.
This is what most economies did in the 20th century. Including the Soviet Union. But was that really the correct thing to do ?

Keeping more labor in the heavy industry would massively expand production quantities of materials. While shifting more labor into the tertiary sector increases the complexity of the economy and sophistication of goods that be produced.

I'm not sure which way is better. Maybe expanding industrial capacity to truly mind-blowing dimensions before increasing complexity and sophistication would have been better ?

>On the other hand, it was a conscious strategy of porkie in the 80s and 90s to move production to the global south while the west was meant to remain dominant through financial investment and rents on intellectual property.
Yeah they've come to regret that recently when they tried to increase artillery shell production. And the intellectual monopoly shit, that has fucked over the west like you wouldn't believe. Technological progress basically has a 20 year delay mechanism because of it. Somebody invents cool shit, then a big corporation appropriates the cool idea, puts a patent on it, and then it gets shelved for 20 years until the patent runs out, before anybody does anything with it. The only people that actually found a use for patents are corporate law-firms that wage lawfare, which creates even more friction when producing stuff. Pure madness.

>As such, a modern goal of socialism shouldn't merely be for the working class to seize the means of production (espresso machines
Lol i'm picturing the post-revolution celebration parade proudly displaying the office coffee maker. I guess you are correct, that after the revolution there probably would be a need to re-industrialize to undoo the mistakes the neo-liberals made.

I think you're missing a bit of cause and effect here: weapons manufacturers are itching at any opportunity to get rid of old materiel because it's insanely profitable to replace it.

>>477070
So the reason question is not whether encirclement itself is over. It's whether the incentive to create a military buildup still exists. And trillions of dollars of unaccounted for Pentagon spending says it is.

>>477070
>weapons manufacturers are itching at any opportunity to get rid of old materiel because it's insanely profitable to replace it.
While that's certainly true, it's not the only factor they consider. The pictures of burned out tanks are like bad marketing. The Ukrainians got told they had to pull back the fancy tanks to avoid so many of them getting blownup.

That very lucrative gig for replacing military equipment, that probably wouldn't survive as is, if it turns into making shovel-ware that gets cast into the shredder as quickly as it can be produced. Their margins would get slashed.

>>477042
>>477043
Take your meds.

>>477042
Im familair with Galileo being a Catholic patron. Isaace Newton was a religious prude.
Hiwever The Catholic church at that time held all the advanced astronomical knowledge and woukdnt take kindly to plebiams indulging in it.


However, the Protestants hate scientific endeavors. Theyre actively anti-intellectual.

>>477049
Do you know why the geocentric model was protected? It was to keep astrologers in business. There were Greeks and people outside of Europe who would tell you correctly the Earth revolved around the Sun, but they had so little to go on. So far as there was a theological rationale, heliocentrism was conflated with Sun-worship and Luciferianism (and this is what the "religion of science" fags really sell). But, the Church did not have a thought police telling people that the sun revolved around the Earth. Galileo was forced to recant his writings for the reasons I specified, and claims about natural science were never theological matters for the Church. What was suspect were counter-claims to theology - and there was nothing in Christianity that changed because of a natural science fact, because the religion and doctrine did not pertain to that outside of possessing a theory of knowledge. That theory of knowledge by the way is implicit in today's university. The university is fundamentally operating with a cosmology inherited from a Christian view of the world.

The only "Christians" who are resolutely anti-scientific are, hilariously enough, the Unitarian Universalists - and they were nothing more than a front for Malthus and Galtonism, a diseased and retarded form of Christianity intended to degrade the brain.

Protestants didn't really get into natural science until eugenics and biology became political matters, and Protestants would be split between pro-eugenics forces that would dominate in the world to come, and an anti-eugenics faction that were the sheep herded to the slaughter. This event was latent in the very structure of Christianity and what it was - the ritual of spiritual cannibalism was intended to prepare the populace for depopulation, and that's what Christianity introduced when it became the state religion of Rome.

In case you bring up the Amish - the Amish objection to technology associated technology not with reason or intelligence, but with commerce, which was the common association for most of history and in practice the correct one. Their arguments against technology were entirely premised on the corrupting influence of commerce on society, rather than a belief that knowledge or reason were intrinsically "evil" as a substance. Their practices are not ideological but orthopraxy as they see it.

>>477032
>Yes this was the conclusion of lenin
You think this still holds ?

Is the US poised to go through an internal upheaval which will be set off by suffering a big military defeat in some kind of battle abroad ?

>>477034
You people are fucking hopeless.

>>477034
it's looking more and more probable but only time will tell. We need to get more orgs on the same page to take advantage should it happen. We must distribute Lenin and take leadership roles in our orgs
>>477035
only hopeless one is you, doomer troon

>>477041
Is this satire?

>>477041
>it's looking more and more probable but only time will tell.
It kinda depends on the recklessness of the ruling class. If they don't charge into a dumb military adventure where they take a massive L. The imperial part of the US might just evaporate away. And the local governance adapts to becoming a normal country without an upheaval.

>We need to get more orgs on the same page to take advantage should it happen.
Seems like a decent precaution.

>>476988
Kissinger Seemed like the last remaining clever neocon.

Was it painful, at least?

Can't believed he lived to be 100, what a shame.

Wow it finally happened, just in time to avoid seeing Shitrael croak.

You should smoke less weed

>>476913
What makes you say that ?
I don't smoke weed or consume any other drugs, unless you count coffee.

People have been looking for a way to prolong youth and vitality forever.

I find it weird that this seems alien to you
>>476891
Video by a literal who criticizing someone of noteworthiness. I can't imagine spending this much time focusing on someone I don't like.bYou fags are allergic to any kind of success

>>476893
>People have been looking for a way to prolong youth and vitality forever.
Sure, but why is there such a tendency to do crazy things. Why would you look at a study done on rats and conclude that's the ticket: I'm going to copy the rat-experiment, that'll make me live forever. The scientist who did that study just tried to gather data-points on biological systems, they didn't try to make the rat live longer. They just wanted to see what would happen, if they joined the vascular systems of 2 rats.

Step 1 Experiments generates data.
Step 2 Data generates scientific models.
Step 3 Scientific models generate practical applications.

If you want to benefit off scientific advancements you want what comes out of Step 3 not Step 1.

That guy is just going to generate a bunch of data replicating the rat-experiment on him self. Even if this had some truth to it, (which it probably doesn't), you'd still want to wait until you get a medical treatment option. Which has been properly researched and tested to make sure it's safe and optimized for maximal effectiveness with minimal side effects. Virtually every disease known to medicine has been cured in lab-rats at least 10 times, however most of these cures have terrible side effects that make em non-viable for medical applications.

>I find it weird that this seems alien to you
Recreational blood-transfusions, as in unnecessary medical treatments, yes that seems alien to me. Because it makes no fucking sense.

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>>476901
>Recreational blood-transfusions, as in unnecessary medical treatments, yes that seems alien to me. Because it makes no fucking sense.

No one will remember your name

>>476902
>No one will remember your name
That guy might end up being remembered as a crazy fuck larping as a vampire. And potentially as a cautionary tail, if he kicks the bucket due to medical complications associated with excessive blood-transfusions. TBH that seems worse than being forgotten.

>>476857
post pdf and what chapter's we're reading

>>476833
>Why do countries that reference socialism in their constitution not function as socialist in many ways?
Maybe the spell doesn't work because we haven't figured out the right incantation. Or maybe the working class being insufficiently organized means that its less socialister.

The US is not constitutionally dogmatic in any sense, and no state is actually "ideological". The Nazis were one of the few examples of an ideology-centered state where they squeal like faggots for it, and that was still at heart a continuation of Weimar under permanent and institutionalized total emergency order. Constitutions are not ideological documents, and belong to a stage of history where the concept of law had any spiritual authority in the minds of anyone. The US does flagrant acts that violate the constitution in the most basic ways and never states its "real" ideology in any government propaganda or by a persistent channel by which such a thing would be promulgated. So much of what is taken for granted today flagrantly violates nearly every part of the amendments to the constitution with the intent of doing exactly that, and anything at all in the constitution is a brittle farce that is wholly incompatible with what the US became in the 20th century. Only parts of the facade still exist from the Constitution. They even hint at violating egregiously post-1947 constitutional amendments and rulings. For example, using the 25th amendment as a "medical coup" is not only completely against the intent of that, but would obviate any pretense that there is a law, no matter how much this decision is in the hand of Congress or the executive. The wording of it is intended to only be used if the President is actually incapacitated and wouldn't be able to step down or speak at all. Suggesting its use for that purpose shows the disdain liberals and conservatives have for any pretense of law, because it would set a precedent that expert opinion for a spurious medical reason overrides the institutions that write any law. If it happened, it would effectively be the end of the country and any possibility that there even could be a different constitution. It would make clear that eugenics is the only law left. That's why it's pushed by the vanguard as a talking point. If the charge of incompetence or maladministration is the purpose, impeachment would be the constitutional answer, and that was done to Trump. Incompetence, maladministration, pretty much openly treasonous acts that Trump would brag about doing, should have been enough to remove him, with the official pretexts for impeachment being only the start of a laundry list of offenses against Trump. But, the liberals don't ever want to actually remove Trump. Why would they get rid of something that gave them Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>476833
Because they believe that socialism is when the government does stuff but unironically.

>>476840
Because you believe that socialism is a destination not a process. That's why you cry about "not real socialism" but also can't explain what you would have done differently.