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Right wing blood sport

A vote has passed in the congress to establish a right wing debate general to argue against right wing talking points and keep them from leaking out onto the rest of the board. From this point on all right wing discussion points should be confined to this thread and this thread will be used for debunking them and generally punching rightoids in the dick. All right wing nonsense posted outside of this thread will be subject to a deletion hence forth if deemed necessary.
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Site updates: New constitution and /CHAD/ Board

After much discussion and being voted for by a democratic majority, in the matrix. the new leftychan constitution has come into effect, replacing the outdated pre-split document. This should hopefully provide more clarity over the general goal of leftychan, the rights of users, the powers and constraints of mods as well as the specifics of how our user democracy functions. Please feel free to ask any questions regarding the constitution in this thread or in the Matrix Congress room, which we encourage you all to join using the link above.
Additionally, another vote has passed to trial a self-improvement board on /777/ under the name of /chad/, which will be the roulette board for the next two months, replacing /roy/. Finally, for those not in the matrix chats, here is a recent votes and their outcomes:

10/21/22 - All mod account and janny accounts that have been inactive for 15 weeks or longer be deleted on the staff democratically decided upon. PASSED - 5 Yes - 0 Nay
10/15/22 - Make the maga communism thread cyclical in order to keep the board from getting shit up with tons of maga communism threads NOT PASS - 1 Yea, 4 Nay
10/11/22 - Tupamaro becomes an official jannoid PASS - 5 Yea, 1 Nay
10/11/22- /a/ will return to the board roster PASSED - 6 yeah 0 Nay
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Reading General:

Hello leftypol, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks

Check out the /edu/ thread at

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
Add topics into the tag list to further narrow down your search!

Introduction to Marxism Reading List - Thanks to the /read/ matrix room (https://app.element.io/#/group/+leftyread:matrix.org)

Absolute Beginners Tier:

'Principles of Communism' by Friedrich Engels

'Three Source and Theree Component Parts of Marxism' by V.I. Lenin

Not a book but Halim Alrah's youtube channel is good for the absolutely basics of Marxism but obviously not a replacement for reading

Marx and Engles Reading List

Tier 1:

'Manifesto of the Communist Party'

'Critique of the Gotha Programme'

'Socialism: Utopian and Scientific'

Tier 2:

'Wage Labour and Capital'

'Value, Price and Profit'

'Theses on Feuerback'

By this point you should have a good understanding of the basics of Marxism and are ready to branch out to other theorists and also read Capital.

Tier 3:

'Capital vol.1'

Lenin Reading List - By Moo (aka Zizekposter)

Lenin Essentials:

'State and Revolution'

'“Left-Wing” Communism: an Infantile Disorder'

'Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism'

Petit Bourgeois Philistine Tier:

'What is to be done'

'The Proletarian Revolution and Renegade Kautsky'

'Two Tactics of Social Democracy in the Democratic Revolution'

ADHD Tier:

'Socialism and Religion'

'Zizek's Introduction to Revolution at the Gates'

'Revolutionary Adventurism'

MLM Reading List


Why MLM?

Marxism-Leninism-Maoism Basic Course

'Continuity and Rupture: Philosophy in the Maoist Terrain'


'On Practice & Contradiction'

'On Guerrilla Warfare'

'On Protracted War'


'Fanshen: A Documentary of Revolution in a Chinese Village'

'Red Star Over China' - Edgar Snow

'The Unknown Cultural Revolution' - Dongpin Han


Interview With Chairman Gonzalo

General line of the PCP

'Shining Path: Terror and Revolution in Peru' - Simon Strong


Operation “Green Hunt” in India

Eight Historic Documents (AZAD)

'Urban Perspective'


Araling Aktibista - Activist Study ARAK

'Stand for Socialism Against Modern Revisionism'

'Philippine Society and Revolution'
https://bannedthought.net/Philippines/CPP/1970s PhilippineSocietyAndRevolution-4ed.pdf

Political Economy:

'Rethinking Socialism' – Deng-yuan Hsu & Pao-yu Ching

'China: A Modern Social-Imperialist Power' - CPI(Maoist)

'Maoist Economics & the Revolutionary Road to Communism' - The Shanghai Textbook

Leftcom Reading Lists

r/marxism101's reading list:

r/bruhinternational's reading list:


'The Democratic Principle'

'Proletarian Dictatorship and Class Party'

'The Spirit of Horsepower'

'Report on Fascism'


'The Lyons Theses'

'Theory and Action in Marxist Doctrine'

'Dialogue with Stalin'


'World Revolution and Communist Tactics'

'Party and Class'

Herman Gorter:

'Open Letter to Comrade Lenin'

'The World Revolution'

Bookchin Reading Lists - based off of posts by Gorm1918 (pbuh)

'The Next Revolution'

'Urbanization Without Cities'

'The 3rd Revolution'

'The Ecology of Freedom'

Links to Resources and Libraries:

More Marx and Engels:


Other Selected Marxists:

Classical Works Recommended To High-Ranking Cadres:

Many important books can be found on libgen:

Libcom has some good books/documents:

Other links:

Various assortment of historical and biographical works:

The Leftist Bookshelf (4.16 GB, 600+ files)
This was originally a torrent but I can't find the link anymore. Its description was: "640 eBooks, mostly in PDF format (a bunch are CHM, DJVU or ePUB), from a revolutionary Leftist viewpoint. The main subjects are politics and philosophy, history, economics, and much much more."

Political Theory (MLM) (2.64 GB, 550+ files)
I found this on reddit years ago (circa 2016) Don't really remember who made it or where it came from, but this is a reading course (politics, philosophy, economics, etc) focused on Maoism. Has many books and articles on the USSR, PRC, Stalin, Mao, etc.

The Anarchist Library (669 MB, 4000+ files)
This is a complete mirror of the anarchist library with pdfs and epubs

Little Bunker of Marxism-Leninism (680 MB, 100+ files)
Unfinished project focused on M-L with more than 100 books on several topics like history, economics, politics, etc. Lots of stuff on the USSR.

Historical Materialism series (330 MB, 100+ files)
A pdf archive of over 100 books from the Historical Materialism book series. I got this from thecharnelhouse.org years ago and the website had released many marxist books from other publishers but unfortunately it's been taken down.

/leftypol/ with a slash of liberty (239 MB, 100+ files)
I didn't make this, just reuploading it. This is a classic /leftypol/ link, marxist stuff mixed with anarchism.

Marx & Engels Collected Works (900+ MB, 50 files)
The official, complete works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels organized in 50 volumes and 3 categories.
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Ukraine 3.0

Last one is full and the worst thread on leftychan must be contained.

In recent news: Ukies done a successful counteroffensive in Izium, Z gang now in shambles. Biden promises even more money for Ukraine. Putin meets Xi, Erdogan, Modi and others at the SCO summit.

Pro-Russia sources:

Pro-Ukraine sources:
Everywhere else
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Chinese Century Thread /CCT/

This is a general thread for all China-related news.

Gusano fuckers can die. Westoid """maoists""" can sudoku.

We are going to analyize ITT every move by China in their road to a socialist economy.
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Race is a Charade

Racial identity categories have no biological merit, so the thread-subject line is objectively correct.
The hard materialist line isabolishing race identities as false consciousness in favor of class unity.
Is this politically doable ? Could this gain traction among the masses ?

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Is conservative leftism the way?

>…In response, AMLO in office has combined efforts to shore up the countervailing power of Mexican workers with a blunt economic nationalism. On the labor front, he has boosted the minimum wage (without significantly raising unemployment) and promoted independent trade unionism. He has invested generously in the state oil company after years of neglect and messy marketization, resisted further privatization of the electricity industry, and stunted renewables competition—all to predictable howls of rage from Global North environmentalists, the Biden administration, the Brookings Institution, and The New York Times.

>AMLO’s resistance to Global North green-ism is a telling indicator of his leftist heterodoxy. In this as in many other arenas, he subverts the expectations Anglo-American conservatives and progressives alike have of what it means to be on the left. The differences are even more pronounced when it comes to social issues. While he has personally identified as a devout Catholic, his ruling coalition includes an evangelical junior party, and his government has extended federal funding to biblical-studies programs—a gentle tweak to the laicism that is one of the pillars of the modern Mexican state.
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On hate

What do you anons think about the concept of "hate"? How do you conceptualize it? Is it in the form of racism, or what? Is it in the form of canards?

I would like to see your responses to a very hot subject over the past few years.
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Russian Thread

Please come back Rusanon Comrades! Save us from the polyp and lolbert raids.

Я вас категорически приветствую.

- A westoid who misses you.
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Is Foucault correct when he says that mass surveillance caused Cancel Culture ?
Has people being under constant observation and evaluation brought back puritanism in a new form ?

Do we need to create spaces that can't be observed, in order to generate good quality culture ?
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cybermonachy ?

Here's a video from The Grayzone about:
<the USAID's DC rollout of the dystopian Diia "state in a smartphone".
It seems as if Ukraine might be something like a test laboratory for this kind of stuff.

Another name for this is the "4th industrial revolution" How this is related to industrialism or why they counted to N°4 already that escapes me. In my mind the industrial revolution started with the steam-engine, the lathe, the printing press, the telegram, chemical fertilizers, … It keeps going and improving until the 70s when neoliberalism begins the ongoing process of de-industrialization.

Cockshot might have called it the Monarchist Revanche
hence the thread title.

I think that what's going on is the digitization of bureaucracy. I think that the neo-liberals are indeed intending to this to become a total control mechanism, that keeps everyone on a leash, a bit like what absolute monarchies were striving towards.

I do not think that this will kill off cash for example. Governments might abandon cash in the form that you can pay taxes with it, or that you can convert your bank-account money into it without extra steps, but that won't stop people from minting coins or paper-notes. Meat-space is still available and that won't ever change. I also think that this will not stop money laundering or tax evasion, because in the last 200 years the state apparatus always had the ability to crush the mafia, it just doesn't want to. (Relatively weak socialist states with nothing but paper-forms and couriers were able to get rid of the mafia.)

Some people might be tempted to draw a false parallel to Cybernetic-Socialism that also would eventually abandon money. Cybersoc will be able to do that because the digital-labor-time-tokens will be better than money, you'll get more for your labour-time-tokens and those don't carry a risk of having inflation because it's an objective measurement of time. What the Neo-liberals seem to be creating is the opposite of that, they want to use this to hold people down and keep them poor, in that case it will be easy to restore cash money because if people get more for that the masses will shift their behavior towards the better rewards.

I'm wondering to what extend this is related to the Chinese system with those social credits. Given the amount off seething from the Neo-liberals in the corporate press, one is led to believe that those social credits must be something good that benefits common people. I always wondered if that's some kind of alternative to money, something you can collect and then it opens doors that previously could only be unlocked via money. Something that bypasses the wealth-privilege-enforcement structures of the super wealthy, at least that would explain why that stuff was attacked so much in the corporate media. I also don't buy the official propaganda narrative about China, i think that their digital stuff had to bring people tangible material gains or else Chinese people wouldn't have adopted it.

I think that in the west the acceptance for this kind of stuff is low, trust in institutions is low, trust in technology in general is low too ,and the neo-liberals probably don't have the political capital anymore to ram this through. It's also questionable if their Ukraine laboratory test will go through, this might not survive the Ukraine war, since the Russians appear to have begun thinking about regime change.

Anybody in the know about this stuff ?
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The Wolff is in

New Global Capitalism update
Sempai talks about how the world is moving on from the US dollar.


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socialism as a process

When the capitalist mode of production was beginning to emerge out off late stage feudalism it did so very incrementally but unrelentingly so. The feudal ruling class noticed what was happening and they fought the rise of the bourgeoisie tooth and nail from the very beginning. The power struggle was furious and without restraint of any kind, the barbarity and cruelty was boundless. But to no avail, even in the nascent stages the capitalist system could drain energy and resources from the feudal system, and it could feed off attacks from the feudal ruling class. The more the feudal aristocracy attacked the bourgeoisie the stronger capitalism became. Also the bourgeoisie won the battle of economics before they engaged in political struggles to re-arrange the state for their needs.

I think that socialists have to conceptualized socialism as a similar process that consumes the precursor system.

- It has to be able to be bootstrapped in extremely hostile conditions, and then grow incrementally from small beginnings.
- It has to drain energy from the system it is supposed to replace.
- It has to be able to feed off the attacks from the precursor system and gain strength from it.
- It has to be able to take over economic structures even before it engages in political struggles to re-arrange the state. (obviously this is for conditions where it's not possible to take over the state, opportunities for socialists to take over the state do sometimes arise during capitalist crisis but it's not something we should hinge our strategy on)

IMHO what socialists of all stripes tend to get wrong is how to deal with the attacks that the bourgeoisie throws against the emergence of socialism. When the bourgeoisie attacks the socialists usually resist and play defense. And the best case scenario is that the attack is deflected and no damage is done. The cause for socialism can only advance in between attacks. If the bourgeoisie attacks without pause the emergence of socialism stalls. The possibility of harvesting the attack as source of energy usually isn't even considered.

- What is the smallest "socialist economic circuit" that we can start with and then have it grow incrementally ?
- How do we make it the relentless machine that consumes everything that dares to oppose it ?
- What can the capitalists do to attack and how can all those attack vectors be harvested as fuel to power the rise of socialism?
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Origins of debt

Hudson gives a history of debt and he points out that it used to be standard procedure to periodically cancel the debts. He says that the current western economic practice is an aberration for not doing this.

I wonder if a debt-jubilee is a potential political issue that could galvanize the masses. How vulnerable would that be to woke-blocking ?

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From Corbyn to Sanders and all their supporters. Why are "Parliamentary leftists" the biggest utter fucking cucks in human existence who seem to just take knife after knife stabbed into their back, but thank the Neolibs for doing it?
I honestly do not understand it, why don't these people defend themselves? It's honestly fucking insane the stubbornness the Parliamentary left will go to in NOT defending the left and themselves and against the most insulting smears and attacks.
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Doug Lain: /ourguy/

how can doug lain be so based? Pisses off grifters and anarkiddies by just speaking straight up facts. It's hilarious how he got cancelled for defending Dave chapelle against the troons.

Considering that Batko is compromised (for ~2.5 years now) we have a vacuum in the "face of leftypol" department. This guy is our best candidate.
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/webm/ thread

This thread is for posting any form of /lefty/ videos files ranging from .webm or .mp4, or other
The last thread hit the bump limit, so post new or old videos here.
Link to the last thread here: >>201250
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News 5/24/23

Cambodian land activists arrested for allegedly inciting farmers to hate the rich
IN A chilling “message of intimidation,” Cambodian authorities on Tuesday arrested three land rights activists on charges of plotting against the government and planning to provoke a peasant revolution. The activists have been accused of teaching farmers about class divisions between rich and poor, an official said on Tuesday. Theng Savoeun, president of the Coalition of Cambodian Farmer Community, and his colleagues Nhel Pheap and Than Hach were charged on Monday by a court in the country’s north-east with plotting against the state and incitement to commit a felony, said Am Sam Ath of the local rights group Licadho.

Scrutiny of Indian Tycoons Deals a Blow to Modi’s Privatization Drive
Apart from the sale of IDBI Bank, which is already underway, progress has slowed for other companies, a person familiar with the privatization push said, asking not to be identified because the discussions are private. India’s national elections next year could further stall sales, the person said, especially for companies facing legal or labor issues. Market watchers are now skeptical that the government will prioritize privatization during the campaign season.

German police conduct raids on climate activists as impatience mounts
Authorities raided 15 properties across Germany on Wednesday and seized assets in an investigation into the financing of protests by the Last Generation climate activist group, prosecutors said — a move that comes as impatience with the organization’s tactics mounts. Munich prosecutors said they were investigating seven people, ranging in age from 22 to 38, on suspicion of forming or supporting a criminal organization. They launched the inquiry following numerous criminal complaints from the public that they received since mid-2022.

Unite members vote overwhelmingly to keep political fund
The fund, accumulated through subscription in the membership, is used for political campaigning and lobbying beyond the union’s industrial work, such as Unite for a Workers’ Economy, as well as backing political candidates aligned with the its aims and objectives. Unite general secretary Sharon Graham told members: “I am very pleased to advise that following a powerful and effective campaign, Unite members have voted by 91 per cent to keep Unite’s political fund.

Deutsche, Citi admit anti-competitive bond market activity in UK probe
Deutsche Bank and Citigroup admitted anti-competitive activity by exchanging sensitive information on UK government bonds between 2009 and 2013, Britain's anti-trust watchdog said, as it provisionally found five banks in breach of competition rules.

Health reform bill in Colombia advances with approval in House Commission
On Tuesday, May 23, the Seventh Commission of the House of Representatives of the Colombian Congress approved the health reform bill proposed by the government of President Gustavo Petro and Vice-President Francia Márquez. The reform bill received 14 votes in favor and six against in the debate which is the first stage in the parliamentary process. During over 8 hours of debate, the members of the commission incorporated 14 new articles and eliminated nine proposed articles. The representatives approved a series of new articles with proposals related to topics such as capitation payments, identification of human talent in health, among others.

PFLP Leaders Ahmed Sa’adat, Ahed Abu Gholami, and Walid Hanatsheh Released From Solitary Confinement
In a statement, the Center announced that as a result of yielding to the pressure exerted by imprisoned members of the Marxist-Leninist Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) in Israeli occupation prisons over the past few days and their threat to wage a wide battle inside the prisons, the IPA proceeded to end the isolation of PFLP Secretary-General Ahmed Sa’adat and return him to “Ramon” prison.

YBŞ: Turkish attack in Shengal is a continuation of Yazidi genocide
The Shengal Resistance Units (YBŞ) released a statement on the Turkish drone attack that targeted a guesthouse of the YBŞ on Tuesday. According to the statement, Said Êşur from Khanasor was killed in the attack, which also left a guest injured. “This attack reveals the goal of the invading Turkish state. It is not the first attack directed against the Yazidi people. It is a continuation of the Yazidi genocide.”

Turkey elections: Cracks emerge in opposition over Kilicdaroglu's anti-refugee policy
Several members within Kilicdaroglu's opposition alliance have resigned after the 74-year-old, a nominally centre left politician, renewed his pledge to expel all refugees if elected president as he attempts to win support from nationalist voters. The presidential hopeful has repeatedly accused the government of incumbent President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of allowing "10 million" refugees into the country, sharply inflating official estimates of Turkey's refugee population.

CEO of biggest carbon credit certifier to resign after claims offsets worthless
It comes amid concerns that Verra, a Washington-based nonprofit, approved tens of millions of worthless offsets that are used by major companies for climate and biodiversity commitments, according to a joint Guardian investigation earlier this year. In a statement on LinkedIn on Monday, Verra’s CEO, David Antonioli, said he would leave his role after 15 years leading the organisation that dominates the $2bn voluntary carbon market, which has certified more than 1bn credits through its verified carbon standard (VCS).
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great power tug

I'm trying to find a scale to measure the "power tug". I'm analyzing the recent conflict in Ukraine in order to do that:

<The imperial bourgeoisie in the US won Round 1 in the ukro-war, because they managed to manufacture a war right on Russia's door-step that Russia didn't want and failed to prevent.

<The Russian Federation however won Round 2, they proved that Russia still is a super power that can destroy a sizable country without major consequences to it self, and that the US can neither cripple their economy via econ-war, nor exhaust their military resources via proxy-war.

Ukraine is now more or less a destroyed country, that's what loosing a war means, Russia basically is undamaged (bar a few scuffs in some border towns) just in case anybody is confused.

<The US has, on balance, lost this geopolitical battle because it did not achieve it's primary goal of imposing another 1990s neo-liberal shock doctrine on Russia or outright balkanizing the Russian federation into subservient ethno-nationalist vassal-states.

<However the US still has to be considered more powerful because Russia wasn't able to frustrate US attempts at manufacturing this war.

If you're a glowy or a nato-media-brain and want to complain about my framing of the Ukraine war please do so in the Ukraine thread

If we apply this scale for the next power tug in Asia.

The question becomes whether China is powerful enough to frustrate US attempts at creating a Taiwan-war with a similar pattern. China is certainly more powerful than Russia, but is it powerful enough ?

I would say that there are 2 levels of preventing a Taiwan war.

The golden path is an expression of pure diplomatic power like how China changed Saudi-Arabia's geopolitical status from US Oil-Vassal to mostly neutral. If this comes to pass and Taiwan gets "diplomatized" the age of imperialism ends bloodlessly and unceremoniously with nothing but a cacophony of corporate media seething.

The silver path is where China undoes US political influence with a sea-blockade of Taiwan. All Taiwanese trade would be diverted through China where they can screen out US military logistics which would render a Taiwan-war impossible without hindering commercial trade too much. If this comes to pass it won't be as smooth. Taiwan would likely have internal political instability like in Hong Kong a few years ago. The US would likely try to poke holes into the sea blockade, so there could be a few naval skirmishes as well. The US would also try to fuck with Chinese trade routes. So a bumpy ride all around but the age of imperialism still ends without a big slaughter fest, which is nothing to sneeze at.

There are unknowns, China could have found geopolitical pressure points elsewhere in the world that might give them enough leverage to force the US to back off, but that's entirely speculative.
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AI predictions thread

This is less about the technical aspects and more about the civilization consequences.

You can comment on what i wrote , but feel free to ignore my takes and make your own predictions

I think AI development will have three phases:

1 <The first phase
is already completed, it started in the 80s until recently and it basically was a niche application of brute force statistical analysis of large-ish data-sets in very technical industries. Only very few people were using that.

2 <The second phase
began recently with more broadly accessible text and image generators that put out original new text and images based on statistical patterns it derived from analyzing very large data-sets. This type of AI is characterized by being "a brain in a vat" that only interprets signals that humans give it. This is the reason it has a tendency to hallucinate facts or generated distorted images.

3 <The third phase
begins when the AIs gets their own sense perception that allows it to learn from the material world directly without human brain intermediaries. This is also a hard requirement to make them reliable machines. This is more than just plugging sensors like cameras and microphones into a computer, there will be a huge technical challenge in computer hardware and software. If you are clamoring for society to move on from the stale postmodern philosophical malaise, this might be your jam.

Predictions :

1 <Phase one
tech enabled a lot of industrial optimization and it generated online search results. It also powered High-Frequency-stock-trading. However it also made advertisement really creepy, and made social media a super combative place because that brought more user engagement.

2 <Phase two
tech will have a greater impact on society. Artist will get proletarianized, in the most literal sense, they'll stop making art by hand and start operating machines, replicating what happened to manual labor a 100 years ago. It will likely also impact information workers, corporate middle management roles will probably shrink a lot. AI will also begin taking on some of the tasks of teachers. The upside is that every student could get their own tutor, but letting machines raise Children will have downsides as well.
AI will be ruthlessly attacked in the legal arena, because legacy capital still holds much sway over governments and they want to use the legislator and judiciary to defend their privileged status, that's why AI-lawyers will become such a big business, and human lawyers will probably be downgraded to the position of a legal-aid that interfaces the tech with the courtrooms. This will also be used for higher order decision making in automated High-Frequency-stock-trading. What's left of the archetypal 90s and 2000s cocaine snorting stock-exchange-bros will disappear.
There are upsides too, it will be easy to make content for open source video games and it will have other opportunities for community oriented tech, like you could make an AI-helper-documentation that helps you to configure your gnu plus linux. The corporate-tech however will likely have very negative impact on human psychology. If you stick with open-source Ai that can be fully controlled by the user, you'll probably be fine tho. This is a tiny dark age but it'll have an opt out if you are able and willing to put in the effort to set up your own tech.

3 <Phase three
will be driven by making it super cheap to train and super-reliable, because it learns from data generated by measurement instruments which will be less labor intensive and more objective. This will enable the creation of true AI scientists and become THE "killer-app". It will change society in a very fundamental way, the same way the scientific revolution changed society in the 18, 19 and 20th century. The influence of realism oriented machine minds will sweep away a lot of superstitions and deceptions we currently believe. If this happens in the context of a class society, A new ruling class will use it to sweep away the incumbent ruling class. It will be technology disrupting the myths that justify surplus extraction like the industrial bourgeoisie used machine capital to sweep away the feudal aristocracy and their religious surplus extraction justification myths. So turbulent times ahead, but this might be the ticket for biological modification of human minds and bodies without risking it degenerating into a type of eugenics that seeks to erase certain people. At least there is the possibility for that because the machine minds tasked to shape biology could at least in theory be made transparent enough to rule out ill intentions.

Geopolitical trends:

The US won the phase 1 contest in all disciplines in a veritable tour de force, with the EU and China sharing a distant 3rd place.

China will win the the AI phase 2 contest for the big "multitool AI" that aims to do a little bit of everything. Simply because they are the largest systemically coherent technologically advanced "civilizational unit". They can support more data centers and they'll have more people inputting data, all in a consistent civilizational framework.

Phase 2 will also have a contest for smaller purpose-specific AI's and that will be an open competition without any forgone conclusions. That will definitely favor an open source model because that enables more dynamism in development than any proprietary stuff. So what ever geopolitical block manages to fund the most open source projects will win this.

Phase 3 tech will have the most difficult birth in the context of capitalism, especially if Michal Hudson is correct about the techno-phobic tendencies in "neoliberal finance feudalism". You can already hear the rumblings similarly to the horse carriage producers trying to ban the motor car, or music-distributors trying to ban the internet. Some countries with entrenched interest groups could manage to suffocate this stage of the tech to hold on to power, which could lead to regional tech-stagnation and dramatic geographic technological differentials. The last time that was the case in the 18 and 19 century and the subsequent technology-equalization was "extremely unpleasant" to put it mildly.

How to be safe:
As the social consequences of these developments will become more apparent, the discourse about ethical technology will grow louder. But don't be fooled by that, the technology you can control will benefit you, while the technology that you can't control will make you suffer. There is no substitution for Maximized User Control. By the time well intention institutions can protect you, the damage will already be done. And many predators will try to fool you into thinking they want to protect you, they're the ones that will try to take away user control or harm free software efforts to create AI. Keep in mind that the free-software sphere is so far the only place where actually existing ethical software has been reliably produced.

Class dynamics
Phase 1 in the capitalist context led to precarious gig-work.

The capitalist class wants to use this to raise un-employment and force wages down, but they're out of luck, Phase 2 Ai is not reliable enough, it needs humans to shepherd it. Tho, many labor aristocracy positions will become proletarianized.

Phase 3 tech will be easier to implement for Socialists, because there is less ideological friction with scientific realism or political friction from ruling class infighting. Within a capitalist context Phase 3 will likely benefit medium sized capitalist more than large ones, because data from sensory input has diminishing returns with scale, because beyond a certain scale it's just going to be duplicated data.

Sorry for wall of text, i was in a verbose mood
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BDS movement

Here is an article that attacks the BDS movement in Israel, apparently from a socialist position.

The Boycott and Divest movement is on the surface a organization that is doing political lobbying via consumer-boycotts. But on closer inspections it probably is intended more for raising awareness and creating political capital on behalf of the Palestinian cause, and the consumer boycott part is a means not an end.

The article basically argues that you can't have both a struggle for socialism and support the BDS movement. Which to me sounds like somebody trying to divide forces who share many common goals.

The article even says BDS would actually help the Zionists which i can't believe because the Zionist are relentlessly attacking BDS. They wouldn't be doing that if it benefited them.

IMHO from a socialist perspective BDS won't do much to generate socialism but it certainly doesn't seem to hinder it either. And since socialists share many of the same goals with regards to the Palestinian cause, it seems pointless to attack the BDS movement.

Are they ultras doing a purity spiral ?
Am i wrong for being suspicious about this ?
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McCarthy demands work requirements on ‘all the programs’ including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and SNAP
What are the political implications of the end of the Republican party?
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Jobs Thread

ITT: We help each other in our dystopian quest to sell our worthiness as a good candidate to be exploited in this hellscape society

Tips, Career Advice what not
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Are the neocons incompent ?

I'm asking my self whether or not the neocons are nothing but blood-dripping salesmen for the arms-industry, and all their ideological stuff is foolishness.

I'm not looking for cheap shots, like proving they never achieve their stated goals like "winning the war on terror". Just assume it's part of their strategy to lie about their true goals.

I used to think that they were both effective at generating profits for the arms industry and also furthering US imperial power. But I don't think that anymore.

For example the wars in the middle east caused something like a war-chaos-belt that separated Europe from Asia and prevented the formation of "Ꭼurꭺsian" (loaded term) economic integration that could potentially become an economic block that would be many times more powerful than the US. So in that sense you could look at the failed wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and so on as somewhat effective at maintaining US hegemonic power.

But it turns out that it wasn't the case. The conclusion that most analysts are drawing now is that the US wasted a bunch of time and effort fucking up the Arabs. And was nothing but a distraction that allowed China to grow into an economic powerhouse that is now more or less untouchable for the foreseeable future.

The Ukraine crisis again follows a similar structure, it seemed like a viable way to separate Russian-German economic cooperation by creating a trade-disrupting war-zone and political-capital for economic separation, so that economic integration may not lead to a Russo-European economic block that would have been more powerful than the US.

But it turns out that this wasn't the case either. The result of the Ukraine crisis is:

Sino-Russian economic integration. Which might lead to the formation of a much more powerful economic block than the Russo-European one. But the consequences don't stop at undoing the Sino-Soviet split. It also has killed the economic power of Europe which means that a potential Trꭺnsatlꭿntiꮸ (loaded term) economic block is much weaker now.

But wait their is more, It has caused a substantial loss in diplomatic power that is undoing the western sway over Africa and India. The US has also lost it's power to direct Saudi-oil-production, and the US-dollar as reserve currency is loosing more ground in international trade, which will have direct implications of limiting US military spending in the not so distant future.

In case the NAFO-gang wants to dispute that the Ukraine-crisis was manufactured by the neocons, then it changes nothing about my argument that what ever the neocons did do, was ineffective at furthering the goals of US hegemony. So please don't turn this thread into a who-done-it Ukraine-debate.

Further consequences are that the divisions in Nato are growing and a Nato dissolution might be the outcome of that. The Trꭺnsatlꭿntiꮸ alliance now comes with an extremely steep economic penalty for Europe, which makes it's future rather questionable as well. I've never seen civilizations not organize them selves around the most economical source of energy. That is an extremely steep hill to climb.
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law of id

Lets discuss logic and the law of identity.

Here are the contenders

Which one is it ?
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News 05/08/23

Bolivian general Prado Salmon who captured Che Guevara dies
Bolivian general Gary Prado Salmon, who captured communist revolutionary icon Ernesto “Che” Guevara in 1967, died on Saturday aged 84, his son revealed on social media. “He was accompanied by his wife and children,” wrote Gary Prado Arauz on Facebook. … Prado Salmon was left paralysed after being accidentally shot in the spine in 1981. He retired from the military in 1988.

Conservatives prevail in key vote for new Chile constitution
A far-right party led in the vote count Sunday night after Chileans cast ballots for a 50-member commission that is to draft a new coonstitution after voters overwhelmingly rejected a proposed charter last year that was considered one of the world’s most progressive. It was a major defeat for Chile’s center-left president, Gabriel Boric, with the vote also widely viewed as a referendum on his government, which currently has an approval rating of around 30%.

Paramilitaries threaten to kill judges of Colombia’s war crimes tribunal
Alleged members of Colombia’s largest paramilitary organization AGC threatened to kill judges of the war crimes tribunal. According to the Special Jurisdiction of Peace (JEP), magistrate Alejandro Ramelli and his assistant Hugo Escobar were threatened with death. In a WhatsApp message sent to Ramelli, the AGC allegedly declared the two magistrates a “military objective” for “digging up a past that is already buried.”

Fire deep in gold mine in southern Peru kills 27 workers
A fire broke out deep in a gold mine in southern Peru and killed at least 27 workers during an overnight shift, Peruvian authorities reported. The Yanaquihua mining company said in a statement that 175 workers had been safely evacuated after the accident, which happened late Friday or early Saturday. It said the 27 dead worked for a contractor that specializes in mining.

Israel demolishes Palestinian West Bank school
The European Union Delegation to the Palestinians, on its official Twitter account, said it was "appalled" by the school's demolition, which it said would affect 60 Palestinian children. The demolition was "illegal under international law" and would "only increase the suffering of the Palestinian population and further escalate an already tense environment," the EU delegation said. … "We got ready to come to school and when we arrived we didn't find the school," student Mohammed Ibrahim told Reuters. "We want a school today! We want to study, if they (Israeli forces) will keep demolishing, we will keep building." Witnesses also said the contents of the building had been confiscated.

Turkey elections: Protesters throw stones at Istanbul mayor's campaign bus
Video footage showed stones being thrown at the bus’s windows, forcing Imamoglu, who was speaking from the roof, to go inside for cover. The bus was later forced to drive off. Images shared by Imamoglu's press team showed the bus windows shattered by the stones. The mayor tweeted that he had spoken to at least nine people who were wounded during the incident. Images on social media appeared to show a child with a bloodied face as a result of the attack.

Ambulance workers in South East set to strike over pay
AMBULANCE workers in south-east England will go on strike tomorrow as Unite escalates its industrial action in a long-running dispute over pay. Unite’s members employed at South Central Ambulance Service NHS Trust and South East Coast Ambulance Service NHS Trust will strike from 12pm until 10pm.

Paris police under fire over neo-Nazi rally
The rally Saturday by far-right extremists dressed in black came as authorities clamp down on protesters banging saucepans against the government, with new restrictions put in place Monday to shield President Emmanuel Macron from the noise. The march on Saturday through an upmarket Left Bank district of Paris saw several hundred men from far-right groups march with flags and chant slogans to commemorate the death of a far-right activist, Sebastien Deyzieu, in 1994.

Australian government pledges $10 billion in budget to ease cost of living
Australia’s center-left Labor government said on Monday it would include 14.6 billion Australian dollars ($9.84 billion) over four years in the federal budget for cost of living relief for families and businesses, which it promised would not stoke inflation.

'Worrying': Vietnam and Laos Hit Record-High Temps Amid Ongoing Heatwave
All-time highs were recorded Saturday in Vietnam and Laos. The mercury hit 44.2°C (111.6°F) in Vietnam's northern district of Tuong Duong, marking the country's hottest temperature on record, according to climatologist and weather historian Maximiliano Herrera. "This is a worrying record in the context of climate change and global warming," environmental scientist Nguyen Ngoc Huy said from the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. "I believe this record will be repeated many times. It confirms that extreme climate models are being proven to be true."
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Supersocialist alternative

>Equality is fake and ghey – Cohesion and freedom is based

All of reality and life is defined by distinction and competition. There’s nothing, ever, which is perfectly equal. Thus, as a teleological goal, equality will always fall sort of its promise and usual function as a golden calf of some slave morality – at best.

Support more equality and repudiate the steep politically reinforced inequalities of today.

However, the end is creating nice, high trust societies, where people are free to pursue higher efforts.

>Excellence Teleological goal

Human individual and collective excellence and capability is the goal. We want to create the red superman and transform humanity into a united galactic master race

>Historical Materialism and neo-fuedalism

People talking about neo feudalism and tributary economics have a more accurate and useful framework for conceiving modern political economy than many others on the so called left, including so called Marxists.

>Broad, popular coalition building + Elite ethic

Populist socialism with national characteristics is based. Similarly, there needs to built a new social hierarchy based around meticulously maintained standards of meritocratic and moral character.

>Antifragile Supersocialism

Socialism does not seek to end competition and conflict in everyday life. Instead, it seeks to promote and facilitate such into useful directions. It embraces short term pain, struggle, and challenges, in principle, as a means of inculcating greatness and avoiding he prolific atrophy and rot of the modern world.
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The burger government is trying to ban the internet again.


This is probably an order of magnitude more invasive than anything that China has done.
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How does China's economy actually work?

I see memes and arguments about "China is communist!" "China is capitalist!" blah blah but what's going underneath the memes? How is the economy run day-to-day?

There seems to be a lot of free-market activity. There is a stock exchange. There is obviously wage labour.

Are major sectors nationalised? Is it illegal to set up private enterprises in some sectors (e.g. trains, telecommunications)?

Comradely thanks
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/SEA/ - Southeast Asia General

5th Edition: Real succdem hour edition

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Elections, open orgs, Myanmar breaking apart or just random shit. There’r still dozens of us… hopefully!

Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/!YeYeuZuLSYkegWssey:matrix.org?via=matrix.org

Last threads:
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/mlm/ - Maoism General

While there are surely some people interested in Maoism on /leftypol/, the tendency has no noticeable presence here. From my observation Maoism has been gaining traction in socialist communities online recently. Though the ideology's influence is still relatively small, I'm optimistic that we're witnessing the earlier stages of Maoists winning leadership in the movements of the working class which will result in the reconstitution of Communist Parties guided by MLM. I started this thread to spur investigation and discussion amongst potential comrades.

Why Maoism? https://tjen-folket.no/index.php/en/2019/08/14/why-maoism-what-is-maoism/
"Maoism is developed in the first place by six great communist leaders: Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Gonzalo."
"The rightist line led China back to capitalism, and dismantled the dictatorship of the proletariat into a fascist state. (…) But the cultural revolution and Mao Zedong Thought inspired millions of people all over the world, and led to the creation of a number of new communist parties on a revolutionary basis. They started people’s wars in Peru, India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Nepal."
"Gonzalo and the PCP maintain that Mao’s mass line, the line for the protracted people’s war and the line for the cultural revolution are the foremost examples of Maoism’s universal applicability, along with Maoism’s advancement of Marxism’s philosophy and economy."
"Gonzalo Thought is Maoism applied to the concrete conditions for revolution in Peru, but it is the universal conclusions in these thoughts that apply to the rest of the world."

Maoist Resources:

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howto counter bias from censorship?

In the west censorship is becoming worse, and the question is how do you negate the bias that can be introduced by censorship ?

Lets assume we want to rule out that we get our perception of reality manipulated by the removal of information. Negating the manipulation efforts of the censor becomes a high priority, because we have to assume that this is done to obfuscate predators from our view that seek to harm us.

The major problem is that the normal method of evaluating claims on the basis of evidence will fail once there is an actor that is capable of controlling what evidence is available. It is very easy to create an extremely distorted perception of reality if evidence can be selectively withheld. It's lying by omission.

The question becomes how can this be counteracted ?

One could analyze the bias on the basis of what gets censored and what isn't and apply a proportional counter-bias. Treating it like a geometry problem. So if the censor applies a +3 bias in one direction, you apply a -3 bias into the opposite direction to cancel it out. Of course biases usually aren't very consistent, they vary in direction and the distance, and that will increase your error rate, because you'll never be able to cancel it out exactly.

From a logical perspective if evidence can be censored there can't be a burden of evidence. You can't demand evidence while blocking the ability to provide evidence. Forgoing the confirmation by evidence does work to an extend, because all the true claims that had their evidence censored, will pass "the test". But there is of course a problem because you might have many false positives where false claims pass "the test" as well. The calculation here is that the censored information is usually the most importing thing to know, and that can be worth the false positives. It's not as bad as it seems at first because not all evidence gets censored and you can still refute most false claims, but some false information will slip through.

We have to accept that if we want an accurate understanding of reality then the only choice is to overcome censorship. Until that is achieved, the accuracy of our reality perception will suffer regardless what we do, because there is no substitute for accurate and complete information.

I'm asking if anybody has other tactics to help with this problem.
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recession as classwar

Radhika Desai and Michael Hudson are arguing that inflation is mainly caused by rent-seeking capital doing asset inflation. They are doing an economic policy that will cause a recession, and are doing this on purpose, a bad economy will increase unemployment, and that will harm the economic interests of workers.

So are recessions a type of class-war by capitalists against workers ?

If they do this, aren't they screwing them selves too?
In the present by letting China overtake the US economically even faster
And in the future through labor-supply shortages because recessions drive down labor birthrates.

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sanctions vs markets

I think that sanctions might end market economics.

There is a weak argument and a strong argument for this.

The weak version is that by putting sanctions on countries you prevent the people in these countries from participating in the free-market(TM). This argument only works if you uphold markets as an ideological end in it self.

The strong version of this argument is that the way sanctions are used now could be transformed into something else later. Currently sanctions are a kind of economic weapon, nominally used for political ends , but there are of course people getting rich off the sanctions battles. So it's reasonable to assume that this could sneak into regular business praxis. If there is a way to get rich, there's always ruthless people willing to walk it.

It's a very handy tool to knock out competition either abroad or at home, it can be used to disrupt supply chains of competitors or locking out competitors out entirely. The cost for it is paying the media to manufacture consent and bribing the power-brokers in decision-making positions.

I think that it might also be possible to scale it down and use it against smaller entities than nation states, perhaps big corporate players might also be viable targets. I'm not sure how much this can be scaled down.

I'm imagining that once this gains momentum the power-brokers with the sanctions levers and the media manufacturing consent machine will be able to run some kind of protection racket and become able to accumulate large amounts of wealth without actually engaging in market exchange. And eventually entrench them self's as formal gate keepers for all economic activity. I don't know how to call this perhaps "degenerated post capitalism".
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Central Bank Digital Currency

Cockshott made a video about central Bank digital currencies.

He has an unusual take on it, he says that they would lessen the neo-liberal character of the economy and too-big-to-fail for privatized banks would come undone, and there wouldn't be a problem with letting privatized banks go bankrupt if they become insolvent.

He says that it will change the balance of forces within the upper classes:
a strengthening of state versus private finance
a slowdown of financialisation like it was from 1945-1970, lowering money creation.
Industrial capital will become more important relative to the banks
there will be less rent-seeking.

He also says that it would reduce tax-evasion and hinder organized crime, i didn't understand the reasoning for that tho.

I'm kinda wonder about the privacy aspect.
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neofeudalizing tendences

Here is a interesting video with Jodi Dean
there are a few rambling bits in the first 10 mins but after that it gets concise and worth while

<One of the reasons why Marx's analysis is so powerful, is that the proletariat are strong, they aren't a bunch of victims, they are the producing class, they have the power to overturn the system. But now, in the northern economies, the majority of workers are a bunch of servants, while they still have the strength to bring the system to a halt, it doesn't seem like we are creating a power full future.

<What happens is a declining rate of profit, the capitalists laws of motion turn into their opposite, and the Capitalists as a class turn to politically motivated upward redistribution of wealth, taking not making.

She brings up an interesting point about changes in the economic system. That many see as having certain similarities to feudalism.

<Capitalists are becoming a kind of mediator, all these gig-work platforms are not the employers they are middle men that break the relations of production between workers and employers, that's different, that's not like industrialists owning a factory and hiring labor. This logic of separation has a Neo-feudal quality.

Is she right about this ? are these mediator separation layers, and the breaking of processes into little pieces the harbinger of a feudalization tendency.
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Happy may day

Poem by an Unknown Proletarian
<We have fed you all, for a thousand years
<And you hail us still unfed,
<Though there’s never a dime of all your wealth
<But marks the worker’s dead.
<We have yielded our best to give you rest
<And you lie on crimson wool.
<Then if blood be the price of all your wealth,
<Good God! We have paid it in full.

happy may day fuckers
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News 4/29/23

Belfast trade union rally: Plea for politicians to return to government
Members of trade unions in Northern Ireland marched from Writer's Square to City Hall in a call for better workers rights, pay and conditions. Mick Lynch, the general secretary of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT), spoke at the event. He said Northern Ireland's politicians need to get back into government.

Ministers set to impose NHS pay deal on staff despite opposition of unions
Both the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) and the Unite unions continue to oppose the deal offered to NHS workers, after protracted negotiations that have led to strikes and hampered attempts to shorten waiting lists. All 12 unions involved in the talks will gather on Tuesday to vote on whether to accept an improved deal covering the last two years.

Greenpeace Activists Scale Belgian LNG Terminal to Demand End to US Imports
Expressing solidarity with people in frontline communities where the fossil fuel industry has for decades polluted the air and water and exposed millions of people to public safety risks, nearly two dozen campaigners with Greenpeace Belgium on Saturday entered the liquefied natural gas terminal of energy infrastructure company Fluxys in Zeebrugge, to demand an end to European imports of LNG from the United States.

German police union boss calls for crackdown on growing climate protests
Police representatives, members of the judiciary and politicians in Germany are calling for harsher penalties for climate activists, including preventive detention and longer prison terms, in an effort to halt their disruptive protests. This week has seen the most intense protests yet by the campaign group Letzte Generation (Last Generation), with hundreds of its members blocking scores of roads during rush hour in Berlin.

Italian Oil Giant Earned $550 Million Reneging on Pakistan LNG, Nonprofit Says
Eni SpA earned about $550 million by canceling and then reselling contracted liquefied natural gas promised to Pakistan over the last two years, which exacerbated the Asian nation’s energy shortage, according to an analysis by two nonprofit groups. The Italian energy major failed to deliver a number of scheduled shipments between late 2021 and early 2023 under a contract to supply one LNG cargo a month, according to Sourcematerial, an investigative nonprofit, and Recommon, an Italian environmental group. During that time, Eni’s LNG ships stopped going to Pakistan and headed to Turkey instead, they said in the joint report.

Two unions de-recognised for supporting farmers’ protest, buying books from CPI(M)
The assistant general secretary of the National Federation of Postal Employees, which is the largest federation with eight postal employees unions, told The Hindu that the order will be challenged organisationally. “This organisation has a history of agitating against the British rule,” PK Muraleedharan said. “Now, this attempt to cancel recognition is to end all trade union activities in the sector.” In response to the Union government’s order, the National Federation of Postal Employees said that a donation was made to the Confederation of Central Government Employees and Workers to support the farmers’ protest. The trade union added that it contributes to the fund every year.

150,000 Brazilian Educators Strike & Demand More From Their Unions
On Wednesday, in Rio de Janeiro, thousands of educators, members of the National Education Workers Alliance (CNTE), went on strike as part of a nationwide strike that mobilized over 150,000 educators and school employees from various unions throughout the country. In Rio de Janeiro, hundreds of teachers and school support employees gathered on the steps of Rio City Hall with signs and banners reading “Stop Paying Us the Lowest Salary in Brazil.” Others carried signs that read, “Claudio Castro Pay Us the Minimum Wage!” denouncing Claudio Castro, the Bolsonaro-aligned governor of the state of Rio de Janeiro.

President Lula Demarcates Six Indigenous Territories
"Today we demarcated six indigenous territories, an important step. Do not stop organizing and demanding. The government exists to serve the interests of the people," Lula said on social networks. The President made the announcement on the occasion of the closing of the 19th edition of the "Terra Livre" (free land) camp, an annual meeting that gathered thousands of indigenous people from all over the country this week.

Peru sends military to Chile border to block undocumented migrants
Some 700 Peruvian soldiers and police officers will reinforce its southern border with Chile to prevent the entry of undocumented migrants, Peruvian authorities said on Friday, amid diplomatic tensions between the two countries over the issue. Hundreds of migrants are stranded at the border, including mostly undocumented Venezuelans, according to the Peruvian police. The migrants say they are seeking to enter Peru to continue their journey back home

EFF takes Andries Tatane clean-up campaign to Soweto
Scores of EFF members rolled up their sleeves, armed with grass cutters, large black bags and shovels. They received some help with equipment from the Joburg Municipality’s, PIKITUP waste management company. EFF leader, Julius Malema says people must be educated about the benefits of a clean environment. “If people just come and clean without doing consciousness around the area it is a futile exercise but it is work the EFF must never get tired of doing and we want to make this fashionable and we are now taking it into councils to be a resolution of councils where councillors physically at least once a week engage in a service delivery programme that gives them direct interaction with the masses of our people.”

After killings, calls to protect S. Africa’s whistleblowers
An accountant working on a high-profile corruption case was killed along with his son by unknown gunmen while traveling on one of South Africa’s main highways. A government health department employee who warned of illegal dealings worth nearly $50 million was shot 12 times in the driveway of her home.
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American slavery

This one's wild, and I'm a bit embarrassed I hadn't heard of it at all 'til now - I guess I don't follow the news much anymore. This happened in 2021, but without checking I'm guessing the case is ongoing:

24 charged with forcing migrants into 'modern-day slavery'

"For years, migrant workers who paid for help entering the U.S. ended up forced to perform farm labor for little to no pay, federal authorities say, cowing to threats of deportation and violence by armed overseers while they lived in dirty, cramped trailers with little food or clean water.

Some who had been promised up to $12 an hour to work on farms in rural South Georgia were instead ordered to dig up onions with their bare hands and got paid only 20 cents per filled bucket as men with guns kept them in check, according to court records. At least two of them died, and another was raped repeatedly.

In a case federal prosecutors bluntly likened to modern slavery, a grand jury indicted 24 people in U.S. District Court on dozens of criminal counts including forced labor, mail fraud, witness tampering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Arraignments in the case have been scheduled for Dec. 21 and Jan. 6 at the federal courthouse in Waycross, near the Georgia-Florida state line.

Authorities said an investigation that began three years ago broke up a criminal enterprise that earned $200 million by exploiting the H-2A work visa program to bring workers from Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras into the U.S.

The laborers were forced to pay illegal fees for transportation, food and housing, according to the indictment, while their travel and identification documents were withheld, preventing them from leaving and seeking help.

U.S. Attorney David Estes of the Southern District of Georgia said in a statement the case had freed "more than 100 individuals from the shackles of modern-day slavery and will hold accountable those who put them in chains."

A federal grand jury in Waycross indicted the two dozen defendants in October. It was made public only after a judge unsealed the document in late November.

Since at least 2015, the indictment says, the defendants used H-2A visa applications to bring dozens of migrant workers into the U.S. as agricultural workers. The federal program requires that workers be paid a fair wage — often $10 to $12 an hour — and reimbursed for expenses involving travel to and from the U.S., food and lodging.

Instead, prosecutors said, the defendants kept most of the money the workers were owed. They laundered their profits by using cash to buy land, homes and more than a dozen vehicles, as well as purchasing a restaurant and night club. Millions got laundered through casinos, according to the indictment."


Fucking nuts, isn't it?
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QTDDTOT - Questions that don't need their own thread. The last one died, so here post your questions here.

I couldn't find it so i'll make a new one.
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Vivek Chibber


Vivek has a good critique of intellectual left-liberal pseudo radicals, i recommend watching his stuff for that.

He also has a theory of self-stabilizing class-rule, i disagree with that.

The reason why capitalism remained stable is because of imperialism, when the workers in the imperial core went on strike, the imperial bourgeoisie could weather the strike by using imperial surplus to keep their power apparatus afloat. And when the workers in the periphery struggled for independence the imperial bourgeoisie used the imperial force apparatus to crush their independence struggle. Workers divided by things like geo-graphic distance and language barriers, never managed to sync up their struggles to knock out both pillars of imperial rule at the same time.

At the moment we are seeing a revival of the periphery succeeding more often in loosening the imperial grip and sometimes even freeing it self from it. These periphery struggles are mixed some of them are socialist in direction but many also are bourgeois independence struggles. If this continues the imperial bourgeoisie will loose enough power that workers in the imperial core will once again become able to strike for concessions. Once the imperial power-structure is weakened enough it will become possible for some countries to go full socialism.

I still recommend Vivek even-though i disagree with him on that one point where he thinks class-rule has self-stabilizing properties, because everything else he says is spot on.
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Anti-nuclear shills vs climate

Climate change is creating a need for energy generation that emits very small quantities of carbon dioxide gas.

A few types of renewable energy exist but they are limited in various ways:
-Water-power is very powerful but is limited to the terrain that has flowing water.
-Wind and Solar are not limited by terrain, but they are intermittent and require a vast mass of machines that collect low density energy in the environment.

The obvious technology to substitute renewable energy is of course nuclear power, because the extra ordinary high energy density of nuclear energy complements the low energy density of renewables. It is very safe and mature tech, extremely cost efficient, highly scalable and can produce absolutely stunning quantities of energy. All the serious scientists are in favor of expanding the use of this technology, to cover about 40-60% of energy needs.

However the fossil fuel industry is trying to politically kill nuclear-power and for that they deploy scientifically illiterate useful idiots in the environmentalist movement to attack nuclear power with religious fervor in order to socially discredit nuclear power. The fossil fuel industry is aware of the limitations of renewables and they would like THEIR product to be the substitute for renewables instead of nuclear. They instruct their pseudo-green shills to trick people into pursuing a renewable-only strategy that is destined to fail, in the hopes of creating future societies with inadequate energy-supply desperate enough to re-embrace fossil fuels.

They do all the usual manipulative tricks like using misleading statistics, and planting lies into popular media but their favorite narrative trick is:
Making it seem as if nuclear-power and renewable-power were in competition rather than complementary. They seek to distract people from asking the question: "Would it not be easier to just replace fossil fuel with nuclear and add renewables on top, so we can have a nice environment without getting poor ?"

You can try to enlighten people with factual data about objective reality, which to some degree works and convinces a number of people , but it's not as effective as the "dark-arts of psychological magic" that the other side uses. They even managed to put a wrinkle into the brains of some environmentalists that makes them support restarting coal-fired power-plants under the banner of a green-energy-transition. How does that trick work and can we use it too?
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News 4/22/23

Sudan ‘resistance’ activists mobilise as crisis escalates
The efforts came from Sudan’s “resistance committees”, neighbourhood groups that have spearheaded Sudan’s pro-democracy movement since 2019. “Every coordination committee did a scan of working hospitals. Even the hospitals that were not working before the war, we made them operate by bringing doctors, fuel and [getting them] electricity,” said Ahmed Ismat, the spokesperson for one of the groups from south Khartoum, the capital.

Foreign states start evacuations from Sudan as battle rages
The army said early on Saturday it would provide safe pathways to evacuate nationals from the United States, Britain, France and China, while Saudi Arabia and Jordan were already evacuating via Port Sudan on the Red Sea. It said airports in Khartoum and Darfur's biggest city Nyala were problematic.

Iranian women taunt hardline police chief over latest attempt at hijab enforcement
Those who are caught for the first time are sent a "warning text message as to the consequences" of their actions. On the second offence, their vehicles would be confiscated and they would face a lawsuit. However, with an economic crisis still gripping the country, and with more women refusing to wear headscarves in public since 2022's anti-government protests, many in Iran find the government's concern with women's clothing infuriating. Morteza, a taxi driver in his mid-30s, told Middle East Eye that he stood squarely opposed to the dress code enforcement in Iran. "I have received a warning message from the police too. But I won't listen to such bullshit," he said.

Many detained in police attack on vigil by Saturday Mothers
Turkish police have once again prevented the weekly vigil by Saturday Mothers in Istanbul and detained seventeen members of the initiative, including the co-chair of the Human Rights Association (IHD), Eren Keskin, and the spokesperson of the IHD Prison Commission, Nuray Çevirmen, and Hanım Tosun, wife of Fehmi Tosun, a Kurd who "disappeared" in Istanbul in 1995.

Firefighters donate fire engine to Palestine
FIREFIGHTERS have donated a fire engine to their colleagues in Palestine for the third time in a year. It is the latest act of solidarity by the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) in a relationship that has also seen hundreds of Palestinian firefighters trained in Scotland and firefighting kits sent to Nablus, Jericho, Ramallah, East Jerusalem and Hebron.

Berlin airport cancels all departures on Monday due to strike
Germany's Verdi union called for a one-day strike of air security staff at Berlin airport on Monday as part of an ongoing wage dispute, prompting the airport to cancel all passenger departures that day. The walkout is due to start at 3:30 a.m. local time (0130 GMT) on Monday and will end at midnight (2200 GMT), the union said.

French cops confiscate cookware
Video posted to social media shows police officers opening backpacks and ordering protesters to ditch their cookware. When one complains such restrictions are illegal, the officer retrieves a piece of paper from his car, presumably bearing the brand-new edict forbidding “entertainment devices.” Demonstrators were also reportedly forbidden from bringing small flutes anywhere near the school where Macron was to speak.

US cannot stockpile arms to defend Taiwan on our military bases, asserts Philippines
The Philippines has announced that it will not allow US and its military forces to stockpile weapons that could be used to defend Taiwan on bases it has access to under the Enhanced Defence Cooperation Agreement (EDCA) signed in 2014. Foreign Affairs Secretary Enrique Manalo told the Senate members during a hearing that Washington will not be permitted to conduct activities that were not agreed upon in the 2014 deal, according to South China Morning Post.

Guatemala orders arrest of lawyers for imprisoned journalist
A Guatemalan judge on Thursday ordered the arrest of three lawyers defending jailed journalist José Rubén Zamora. The announcement by prosecutors was the latest in a case that has drawn concerns about press freedom in Guatemala. Zamora is the director of El Periódico, a newspaper that has published critical articles about alleged corruption under President Alejandro Giammattei.

Costa Rica Police Strike Over Days Off Reduction
Groups of off-duty officers blocked streets in several cities, including San Jose. Other dozens of agents held a demonstration outside the house of Chaves, who seeks to have 9,500 officers on the streets at all times for six months while the special operation lasts. To develop such an operation, the Chaves administration plans to create 700 new police positions and change the schedules of current officers, who used to enjoy six days of rest for every six days at work but now must work six and rest four.
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>be half mongol slavs
>tyrannical violent chauvinistic regime
>rules by terror
>free tortures and all kind of atrocities
>insanely corrupt
>controlled by jews
>oppress' minorities
>persecutes the church
>kills all dissenters
>eliminates ukrainians
>cannot live without war
>relies on gibs from western allies
>unlimited manpower
>shoots whoever try to surrender or retreat
>human wave tactics

>be the soviet union they say it was

>be ukraine
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Cockshott is probably the best Socialist theorist of our age, he's completely BTFO'ed all arguments against Marx's Law of Value, he's empirically proven that Economic Planning is 100% possible with current data sets and modern computation, he's shown that current economic theory is based on complete woo that doesn't hold up to basic mathematical scrutiny or even basic logic.
The thing is, because all his online content is extremely complex, technical post-grad level university lectures, it's hard to get his idea's out there. Which I think why as Socialists, we should try present his arguments, theories and evidence in a far more presentable, digestable, ELI5 fashion for Normies.
What made classic Leftypol good is that we were able to present Socialist content for normies that would be shared by Zoomers and such. So I think a good project for us on this board, would be to work How the World Works (https://libgen.rocks/ads.php?md5=0f775aef8cbe24a8978e115669bfcdfb) into a decent Youtube series that explains how we can build a new economic order in the not too distant future.
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There Has Been No Greater Hindrance To Socialism Than Marxist-Leninists.

This is just a undeniable fact. The amount of dogma and fanaticism in MLism is unparalleled compare to any other ideology. It truly is like a religion.

They have religious leaders which have done absolutely nothing wrong and every time you point out anything bad about them or the actions of ML states, even when it is many times self admittently true, they will find any excuse they can get to protect their deities.

Here are some examples of real conversations I have had with Leninists:

"Why did Mao do these stupid economic decisions which lead to tens of millions dying?"

ML: "Well that was because he was tricked by a evil pseudoscientist. Also the CIA faked the numbers!"

"Why do you worship Stalin so much when the prophet Lenin himself before his death wrote about how bad he was and how he should be removed as general secretary?"

ML: "Lenin didn't really know how good Stalin actually was at everything. Also the letter is probably fake and written by the CIA (founded in 1947) in collaboration with the traitor Trotsky to destabilize Stalin's regime."

"Okay, what about Nikita Khrushchev denouncing Stalin in the secret speech, as being dictatorial and not aligning with ML principals? After that spending his entire life undoing his work."

ML: "You see the cracks of the USSR were already beginning to show. Khrushchev is considered by many a revisionist and his hate for Stalin was purely driven out of personal spite."

"You say that ML countries can't be imperialist, but what about wars like the one waged by COMMUNIST China against COMMUNIST Vietnam?"

ML: "China was just mistakenly tricked into supporting the CIA backed Pol Pot and so needed to support his genocidal regime."

These are just some of the conversations I remember that made the dogma and fanaticism really stick out to me. Even as a libertarian aligned leftist I always believed in some degree of leftist unity, but now I realize that cooperation between the two sides is impossible and even if it was, it would be counterproductive because MLism is the reason socialism hasn't already been achieved.

I guess we will have to wait another 100 years, assuming capitalism hasn't killed our planet with climate change already, until socialism's reputation isn't irreversibly linked to this genocidal ideology.
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An Analysis of Classes in Burger Society

>I thought it might be useful to sketch out some of the actual divisions in class in burgerland and the west. Tried to be as detailed yet concise as possible. Generally, I find a lot of the terminology that gets tossed around as vague. Hence this

1. Ruling class

A) Traditional ruling bourgeoisie in military manufacturing, banking, transport, and energy, along with industrial manufacturing and large retail.

B) Communicative bourgeoisie - controlling media and communications platforms, often intermeshed with finance.

C) Finance capitalists, large landlords, people involved with stock and credit markets

D) State bureacrats and technocrats. People who make a living in employment for the state.

2. Middle classes

A) Petty bourgeoisie - small landlords, traditionally self employed, small business owners.

B) Technical elite - skilled workers in information technology

C) Professional managerial class - overlaps a bit with the tech elite and state bureacrats, people who are employed to maintain the conditions under which production occurs, both at a workplace level (managers, hr) and social level (marketers, advertising, media workers, and social cause grifters).

3. Working class

Itself divided between service workers, trade and skilled workers, and other typically mindless jobs assembling or delivering some final product. Includes many gig and part time workers.

1. Lumpen

Bludgeon of the ruling class against the working and middle classes. Serves a cautionary function (if you don't work hard you'll become homeless) and is used as a terroristic social force that provides additional stress on everyday people. A bit of a pandora let out by late stage capitalist decadence.

>Remaining questions -

Out of these class forces, what sort of coalition could be built to overcome the dominance of the ruling class, to build a better system?

How might rapid changes in technology shift class relations in the west?
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<Capitalism has already been superceded

Some sort of bureaucratic managerial mixed economy exists in all major developed economies today. It is the inevitable political development at this stage of history owing the the current level of the productive forces. The central economic impulse isn't the further development of the means of production in order to *produce commodities.* As it stands, only a fraction in the labor force is set to work in producing commodities. A larger percentage is involved either in the realization of value or the social maintenance of power - that it's to say, and increasing proportion of the population is as divorced as ever from production and increasingly devoted to employment in the tumorous and parasitic outgrowths of the economy. Likewise, an ever increasing proportion of the economic surplus is devoted toward the expansion of the infrastructure of services and, more importantly, control. An increasing social investment occurs in fields like marketing and sales, security (ranging from web3 doorbell cameras to rent-a-cops to state militaries), media in it's wide variety of forms, psychological and sociological research, and 'governance' on both a local and international scale. In Gramscian terms, this is an explosion in the size and importance of the state vis-a-vis and over the forces of the productive economy. That is to say, the *capitalists* (which developed and began to supercede the lorded administers of feudalism during the 16-18th centuries) have themselves begun to be superceded by a growing, new, highly technological, secular, and 'scientific' administrator and managerial class.

The primary aim is always power. For a brief period in history, the private ownership of the means of production - to be a capitalist - was the best means to amass power. However, in the sort of post capitalist future that is emerging, those who control (but perhaps not directly 'own') large levers of the economy and structures of control form a sort of oligarchy that simple seeks - directly - to expand its control.

This impulse is increasingly turned inward and against all forms of life, up to and including increasingly levels of power against it's own citizenry, with more and more elements of daily life intertwined with technology, control, and economy.

As a phase in the mode of production, this is a sort of toothpaste that's not going back into the tube. But it doesn't have to be terrible.

<Vitalistic socialism

The solution - a sort of 'sucks least' option - is vitalistic socialism. Politically, this would be a sort of meritocratic uniparty-led government which pursued a classical progressive agenda - that of fostering a better population of better individuals.

Some sort of 'mixed economy' with a corporatist state is inevitable. The question becomes, what social aims should it serve. Rather than promoting servility or the sacred cow of equality (whole maintaining a de facto ruling elite - as has always been the case, even in Marxist Leninist states), vitalistic socialism would strive toward national and individual improvement through self-actualizing struggle.

<Futurism vs Conservativism

There's no point in trying to recreate or even hold onto the past. Certain lessons of practical wisdom ought to buy taken from the past, but we must keep our eyes forward. And successful society in the future is one which uses social technology which to facilitate individual development and freedom.

<Vitalism vs Equality

The primary impulse of all old leftism, the stale mixture that has produced nothing good over the last 100 or so years, is a vague impulse toward "equality."

The alt left sweeps this away. We support vitalism. We want a system that promotes a vigorous and creative life of speed, challenge, and even pleasure - one which truly fulfils the Marxist goal of the free development of the individual. While the current order promotes a degree of security (and hence stagnation leading to decay), alt left socialism promote revolutionary struggle as an ongoing end, not just a means. Vitalistic socialism utilizes the power of the state to craft higher forms of mankind - both on an individual and collective level.

There is no egalitarian endpoint of utopian communism marked by a harmonic 'end of history' via the termination of struggle. It's naive to believe classes, castes, and hierarchy will ever disappear. Rather, the alt left desires a socialism of continuous struggle, one in which competition and class is consciously promoted to the end of excellence and greatness.

"Dare to Struggle, Dare to Win, Dare to Struggle More" is our motto. The alt left represent the true path of revolutionary struggle, now and in the future.

Space communism of a master galactic race

Endless conquest of the universe while honing the human spirit is the teleological goal of the alt left. But we must first destroy the metaphorical bugman within before we are ready to face literal bugmen beyond our galaxy.

<Tldr anti egalitarian socialism is the way
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Was Marx wrong about gun control.

Realistically how do you reconcile lack of gun control in the school shooter era?
These kind of incidents can't go one forever without some kind of push back. Can gun rights preserved without having to live with school shootings?
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World Crisis

Cockshott released a video about the coming world crisis.

Highly recommended.
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Is the DPRK monarchic ?

It has recently come to light that fellow comrades have swallowed lies about the DPRK from the imperialist propaganda
Let this be a correction

<Founded on 9 September 1948, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) is a nation governing the northern half of the Korean peninsula. It has a population of around 25M and has an estimated total GDP of $40 billion. You will have likely heard about something else it has that being their “wild & crazy” leader named Kim Jong-Un. But just who is Kim Jong-Un and why has the Kim family stayed in power since the DPRK’s founding?

<To begin we must first look at the definition of a monarchy: “A monarchy is a form of government in which a person, the monarch, is head of state for life or until abdication. The political legitimacy and authority of the monarch may vary from restricted and largely symbolic (constitutional monarchy), to fully autocratic (absolute monarchy), and can expand across the domains of the executive, legislative, and judicial.”

The Korean Peninsula

<Breaking this down we will start with the term of a monarch. A life of power is not something that has ever been afforded to any leaders of the DPRK. The supreme leader of the DPRK, according to their constitution, is the Chairman of the State Affairs Commission, which is held currently by Kim Jong-Un. The Chairman is elected to a term the same as that of the Supreme People’s Assembly (SPA) which, according to their constitution, is five years. Therefore, straight away this debunks the claim of a monarchical regime within the DPRK, because a monarchy cannot exist with the institution of the SPA having control over the electoral process of choosing a Chairman. However, let us dig a little deeper just to be sure.

<The SPA is the primary state organ, which is directly elected by the DPRK’s populace. There are currently three different Parties represented within the SPA, and one organisation. During an election to the SPA: “A candidate is decided in a mass meeting led by the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland, which also organises the political parties in the DPRK. Citizens run under these parties, or they can run as independents. They are chosen by the people, not by the ‘Party’.” This means that after these mass meetings, the candidate to be put on the ballot for each constituency is chosen, and that is why only one name per constituency appears because they have already been chosen within their constituency. The elections afterwards act to double-check the people’s choice to see if the mass meetings are corrupted or incorrect, which could explain why the elections have such high approval ratings by their citizens. This also shows that manipulation by the state about the people voting yes to a candidate out of fear is incorrect, and the high yes/no ratio is an expression of the truly democratic mass meetings.

<Supreme People’s Assembly

<However, the SPA is only the legislative body of the state, and with this title, Kim Jong-Un simply cannot be defined as a monarch. So now we must move to the work of the Cabinet, which is the administrative and executive body of the DPRK, and on which Kim Jong-Un does not hold a position. For the record, if he did hold a position on this, it is an office that has a term length the same as that of the SPA. The Cabinet is also fully accountable to the democratically and directly elected SPA.

<The judiciary, on the other hand, is in the hands of the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the Court, which again Kim Jong-Un has no role in, and is chosen by, and accountable to, the democratically elected representatives on the SPA. It is untrue to claim these elections are immune to corruption, but as we can see the people have dominant control over all aspects of governance, which means that the ability to corrupt the system is greatly lessened.

<Looking at the other titles held by Kim Jong-Un, we see that he is Chairman of the Workers Party of Korea (WPK) and Supreme Commander of the DPRK Armed Forces (Marshal rank). The WPK is the largest of the ruling parties in the DPRK and enjoys mass support and a majority in the SPA. This affords Kim Jong-Un mass sway over the policy of the WPK, and therefore the nation as a whole. However, this sway works both ways and the final decision comes down to the people on who to elect to the WPK, and Kim Jong-Un himself. This is not much different to some of the more liberal democracies in Western Europe, where the leader of a party holds the most sway, and therefore the leader of the majority party is the most influential.

<Moving on to the military, of which Kim Jong-Un is the Supreme Commander of the DPRK Armed Forces. This role came with his position as Chairman of the WPK. This gives him responsibilities that are no different from any other head of state, indeed it could be argued that he is less powerful than some, as he is not the face of the government (that is the role of the Premier, at the time of writing this role belongs to Kim Tok-hun).

The definition of a monarchy continues; “The succession of monarchs is in most cases hereditary, often building dynastic periods.” so to explain this in the context of the DPRK we must look at its past leaders.
Kim Il-Sung

<Kim Il-Sung was the first Head of State of the DPRK and its founding father. He occupied the positions of President of the Republic, Premier of the Republic, Secretary-General of the WPK and Supreme Commander of the People’s Army of Korea (generalissimo rank). As we can see, Kim Il-Sung had much more power than Kim Jong-Un, and therefore direct of the same role in government (monarch) does not exist in the DPRK. We have already established the of power from the heavily detailed Constitution.

<Kim Il-Sung had the position of President of the Republic, which was more of a ceremonial role, that was abolished after his death and given to him ‘eternally’ and symbolically. However, he was the face of the government in being Premier, which was neither passed down to Kim Jong-Il nor Kim Jong-Un after him. The other positions have been covered in the context of Kim Jong-Un.

<The next Head of State was Kim Jong-Il, and he held the positions of Chairman of the DPRK National Defence Committee, General Secretary of the WPK and Supreme Commander of the Korean People’s Army (rank of Generalissimo). This shows that he had noticeably less power than his predecessor, and therefore that power is not automatically to a clear cut successor and is instead dispersed among multiple people after the death of each leader so far.

<But there is one clear pattern – the leaders are from the same direct bloodline. Now explaining this is where nuance and context are vital and, uncoincidentally, where Western media often abandons all such nuance and context. The Juche Idea created by Kim Il-Sung as the ideology of the WPK, and later DPRK, says that “man is master of the revolution”, however, only with proper leadership can the creative potential of the masses be directed properly towards the revolutionary goal.

<For more context on the history of the Kim family, Kim Sung-Joo, later named Kim Il-Sung, was a revolutionary and a national hero, who led the Korean people against the Japanese and American imperialists and won himself masses of support from the entirety of the Korean people. He guided the ship of state, at the will of the people, until he died in 1994.

<He had a son named Kim Jong-Il who had, for many years prior, been embarking on a political career in his own right and had won positions across government for his dedication and impressive competence for leadership. He only came to power four years after the death of his father, who he never publicly referred to as such and always called him “leader”. On top of all this Kim Jong-Il came to power in a time of great crisis in the DPRK as the socialist camp had collapsed and those few who remained were scrambling to survive. Furthermore, the North Koreans found themselves under a new economic offensive by the American imperialists in terms of new sanctions. This would have led people to observe the young Kim in the context of both his impressive credentials and in light of him being the son of the great leader as being the natural candidate to fend off this new assault. This is natural as in all democracies to people look to who they think of as the best leader and is irrespective of the parental connection between the two. It would be a lie however to deny any correlation.

<Finally comes Kim Jong-Un who built himself an impressive portfolio of roles and like Kim Jong-Il (his father) he did not come to power immediately after his death. This was because their constitution does not allow for a monarchy, and instead, it places power in the hands of the Korean people to decide. After all of this, I would argue that it is clear that the DPRK is not a monarchy and only a dictatorship in one sense – it is a Dictatorship of the Proletariat. While criticism can, and should, still be made to developing Socialist countries, it is the nature and character of criticism that is more often the problem. If it is a regurgitation of a supposed “fact”, allegation, or rumour, with no independent investigation made, it is more often than not blind belief in what capitalist media sources are proclaiming. The dehumanisation of those in the East – to view them as something of an “other” and not equal to us in the West is a common trope in the media. But no more is it applied as blatantly as with its view of the DPRK as a “rogue state” with its “tyrannical” and “warmongering” leader.

<We, as Communists, must do all we can to combat this misinformation campaign by the West to show the truth of socialist democracy, not only in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, but in all governments around the world wherever the red flag flies high.

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crossover scheme proposal.

How based would it potentially be if leftyfags somehow got the Tariq Nasheed to read Dugin and On Contradiction, and Frantz Fanon?
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Does anyone live in Chicago? It was a complete shithole in the 2000s. Filled with drunks and crackheads and such. I can only imagine it's gotten much worse. Here's how the cycle goes
>Bureacratic opportunists come into power
>City goes to shit
>Smart people move out
>Only literal 90eyeq retards are left in city
>They vote for grifting faggot leftoids
>City continues to go to shit
>Becomes Detroit
>Property value crashes
>Gentrifying whiteoids and real estate speculators move in
>Slight increase in police presence so that faggot homo furdaddies can buy Starbucks without stepping into literal human feces

At one point, Chicago and cities like it had tons of industrial jobs, which kept working people there. But, due to shifts in the economy, I imagine the only people who live there are either lumpenized and maldeveloped or part of the professional managerial/financial grift class. The latter can live in gated communities and vote Democrat to make themselves feel like 'decent human beings'(tm). The former are just braindead.

Basically a blueprint for how communities/societies die.
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Kill landlords. Behead landlords. Roundhouse kick a landlord into the concrete. Slam dunk a landlord's baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy landlords. Defecate in a landlord food. Launch landlords into the sun. Stir fry Landlords in a wok. Toss landlords into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Landlord's gas tank. Judo throw Landlords into a wood chipper. Twist Landlords heads off. Report landlords to the PLA. Karate chop landlords in half. Curb stomp pregnant Landlords. Trap Landlords in quicksand. Crush landlords in the trash compactor. Liquefy landlords in a vat of acid. Eat landlords. Dissect landlords. Exterminate landlords in the gas chamber. Stomp landlord skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate landlords in the oven. Lobotomize landlords. Mandatory abortions for landlords. Grind landlord fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown landlords in fried chicken grease. Vaporize landlords with a ray gun. Kick old landlords down the stairs. Feed landlords to alligators. Slice landlords with a katana.
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<Why is China so incredibly based?

Virtually everything they do in practice makes the faggot western left seethe. How can we bring this energy to America and Europe? We need socialism that castrates faggot pedos, bullies trawnies to suicide, executes drug dealers, and sends fatties to the labor camps.

Are you a NEET? Minus 50 social credit points.
Masturbate too much? Sorry, no high speed internet for you.
Didn't visit you grandma? Shame on you, not report to the reeducation program.
Don't want to have kids? Why are you supporting invasive bourgeois ideology.

<Chinese socialism is the final solution to the western left(tm).
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>multipolarity is not a political position - something you are for or against. It is an emerging state of reality in geopolitics and economics, characterized in part by the collapse of US hegemony.

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Leading 'conservative' thinker, Michael Anton, warms up to socialism

>It has become increasingly common to hear those on what we may call the conventional right claim that the main threat facing the historic American nation and the American way of life is “socialism.” These warnings have grown with the rise of the so-called Great Reset, ostensibly a broad effort to reduce inequality, cool the planet (i.e., “address climate change”), and cure various social ills, all by decreasing alleged overconsumption. In other words, its mission is to persuade people, at least in the developed West, to accept lower standards of living in order to create a more just and equitable world. Since the conservative mind, not unreasonably, associates lower standards of living with socialism, many conservatives naturally intuit that the Great Reset must somehow be socialist.

>I believe this fear is at least partly misplaced and that the warnings it gives rise to, however well-meaning, are counterproductive because they deflect attention from the truer, greater threat: specifically, the cabal of bankers, techies, corporate executives, politicians, senior bureaucrats, academics, and pundits who coalesce around the World Economic Forum and seek to change, reduce, restrict, and homogenize the Western way of life—but only for ordinary people. Their own way of life, along with the wealth and power that define it, they seek to entrench, augment, deepen, and extend.

>This is why a strict or literal definition of socialism—public or government ownership and control of the means of production in order to equalize incomes and wealth across the population—is inapt to our situation. The Great Reset quietly but unmistakably redefines socialism to allow and even promote wealth and power concentration in certain hands. In the decisive sense, then, the West’s present economic system—really, its overarching regime—is the opposite of socialistic.

What follows is a fairly long and detailed summary of Marxism along with a comparison and contrast (mostly contrast) to today's system.

Interesting read
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has anyone here lived in a socialist state i.e. Cuba, China, DPRK, Laos, Vietnam, Venezuela? What was your experience?
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IDPOL: A Meta Discussion

aka /leftypol/: An Exploration into the Causes and Effects of Identity Politics.
Let's get to the bottom of identity politics, bane of the radical left and blockade to normie socialism.

ITT post about idpol and anti-idpol.
Post literature, effortposts, infographics, etc.
Post about what idpol is, the history of idpol, idpol today, the problems with it, and how to deal with it.

The point of this thread is to develop our discourse on the topic. Currently the meaning of idpol and many people's understanding of it is extremely nebulous. This is a problem for us in addressing it in general. It is a problem for the mods appropriately moderating it. It's a problem for users knowing what posts are good. Most importantly it's an obstacle to people knowing what kind of theory is sensible and based versus what is idpozzed and cringe. Most of us will agree that idpol is a problem the left deals with to some degree more or less online or in real life. It is both an inferior understanding of politics and a way of baiting people. What we sometimes don't agree on is what idpol is and how it works. That's what this thread is for: fleshing out our discourse so that we can better combat liberalism (and other right wing politics) and promote communism.
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frog retirment struggle

The strikes are massive and the political opposition to macron's pension-rape has doubled from 26% to 46% in just a few months.

Macron has undemocratically bypassed the french parliament by using article 49.3 of the french constitution, to box this through. However it's now possible to oust him with a no-confidence motion.

There's a very strong possibility that this is Macrons political suicide, and it's very unlikely that this pension-rape will stand. The French imperial bourgeoisie has recently lost a lot of power in their African pseudo-colonies. The president of the Congo Felix Tshisedkedi recently flat out told Macron to shut-up his "imperial paternalism" during a political conference. And that means they can't fight against the french proles at home and fight to maintain imperial dominance in Africa at the same time.

I don't know enough about the political realities in France to make predictions about the ramifications, but seems that the imperial bourgeoisie in France is going to get a serious haircut.

Video source for the op-pic
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Building Networks

This might not be worthy of its own thread, but once you've built a solid support base within one workplace/neighborhood/whatever, how do you build connections with other activists while simultaneously avoiding feds as best as possible(I am pessimistic on how possible that is, but that is a gut feeling rather than something that I have strong logic on, and will accept criticism)? If anyone has insight, it'd do a great service.
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FIRE General Thread

Let's get a general thread about FIRE (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate). Include topics about crypto as well.
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ICC being dismanteled ?

The international criminal court has long had a questionable reputation for having a colonial bias because it almost exclusively has convicted war-criminals from Africa, and virtually non from western countries.

However i think there might be a conspiracy to erode it's legitimacy entirely before destroying it.

I think it started around 2018 when there were attempts to convict war-criminals from the US. It is important to know that the US is not a signatory to the various international treaties that could give the ICC jurisdiction over the US and it citizens.

Attempting to expand the reach of the jurisdiction of a criminal court is very risky because if it fails, it will damage the courts legitimacy within it's existing jurisdictions. And what happened in this case was that the US approved a law that would enable the US to invade the Netherlands in case they arrested US citizens to put them on trial in The Hague.

And recently they have done a similar thing again, but this time picked a fight with a different superpower, that is equally unlikely to yield because it too is not a signatory to international treaties that grant the ICC jurisdiction. They issued a arrest warrant against the Russian head of state, that got denied by the deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. Basically they threatened to destroy the ICC with hyper-sonic missiles if they tried to affect any arrests.

But this time the consequences went beyond military saber-rattling and legitimacy damage for the ICC, this time a number of countries have exited the international treaties, effectively rescinding the ICC jurisdiction, because they don't want the obligation to arrest the Russian head of state. Motivated by business interests and fear from retaliation of the Russian federation if they tried to go through with it.

I think that this goes beyond abusing a legal court for political goals, i think this is also about destroying an institution that over time could grow out of it's colonial legacy and become a truly international institution with the power to impose the legal discipline of international law on anybody, including the most powerful people.
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So the entire UFO happening was the US military spending big bux to shoot down hobby-balloons.
I feel bad for the people who have that hobby, they probably thought that balloons were so harmless that nobody would ever bother to disturb their happy fun time.

Why did this thing turn into such a big deal ?
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personal liberties relative to devellopment

Noam Chomsky has a principle that he will only criticize his government (the US government in his case). His reason is guarding against co-optation, he doesn't want the chorus of reactionary intellectuals that manufacture consent for the powers that be, to be able to use anything that he writes or says for their sinister purposes. I think the Chomsky principle is largely correct but it's too strict, i think that you can criticize other governments as long as they aren't on the official LE-BIG-BAD list. So based on that you can criticize countries like Saudi Arabia or Israel, but for example Russia, China, and the DPRK can't be criticized, because they are the ""axis of evil"" in the mainstream narrative. I'm following this weaker Chomsky principle because i don't want to say anything that might be appropriated for an argument that supports a new cold-war or worse. Keep that in mind when you read this.

Main topic
I'm trying to get a materialist view of liberties. Usually people consider liberties to be timeless conditionaless absolutes. In some places of the world owning a gun is considered a liberty. In order to have that liberty you do need a government that doesn't try to disarm it's population, but far more importantly you need to have invented sophisticated metallurgy and gunpowder. So in conclusion liberties are conditional to development, in this case technical development. Tho not all conditions for liberties must be of a technical nature.

Many people are criticizing China for lacking certain personal liberties, and a big chunk of that is made up horror stories that never happened, but not all of it is wrong. For example China lacks technology privacy.

A considerable section of the Chinese population is not plugged into the techno-social information infrastructure. Since China has only beaten absolute poverty but not yet uneven development. That means if china were to move ahead and improve the tech-rights for Chinese citizens at this point in time they would benefit only the wealthier sections of society that can afford all the information services. That section of society could potentially seek to pull up the ladder behind them selves and prevent the rest of society from gaining access to beneficial information services.

So I will speculate that once China has leveled the uneven development, it will become politically viable for China to advance tech-rights. Politically viable in this context means that it doesn't produce stratification in society. I'm not saying by the way that it will be an effortless automatic process, it will be difficult like everything of this nature always is.

It might be fun to speculate about how the Chinese equivalent to a Free Libre technology movement will look like. Based on my limited insights it seems that at the moment there is no real understanding of FOSS in China and they consider only the difference between open and closed source technology. Revers-engineering is also considered equivalent to open-sourcing. The Stallman argument about the importance of the 4 freedoms (https://yairudi.com/foss-principles-explained-ch-ii-open-sources-four-freedoms/) doesn't resonate because, in the Chinese context freedom is not a term with a political meaning, it merely means not being locked up in a prison. If I had to guess, they will reach similar conclusions in substance, but use a totally different framing.
For instance:
- preserving the 4 freedoms
might become:
- avoiding the 4 barriers to cooperation
1 run the technology as you wish -> avoiding the breakage of functionality.
2 study and change the technology as you wish -> avoiding obfuscation of technical principles and barriers to new functionality
3/4 redistribute copies and modified versions as you wish - avoiding barriers to cooperative development of technology
i know i counted wrong the freedom is freedom zero, but i linked an article that also starts at 1

So for China the conditions for increasing liberties in relation to technology might not have been reached, i.e. the technology hasn't fully penetrated their society. In the west this is a different story, access to technology has been very universal and if anything the western world is lagging behind on tech-rights relative to it's development level.

I do realize it's perhaps difficult to follow my reasoning for developmental-conditional-rights, so ponder your right to leave earth and explore the universe, at the moment you have no such right, and even if you could build a rocket-ship it would very likely be shot down by a military if you tried to leave earth without seeking the approval of governments. But you don't give a single shit about that because the developmental conditions for a space-faring-right have not been met yet. (Space chariots are nowhere near accessible). If the few individuals with the means to get to space were to start making noise about not having a right to freely explore the universe, you'd role your eyes and dismiss it as "billionaire problems". As such, a movement to advance space-rights isn't politically viable yet.
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Money as the universal commodity ?

During marx's time money based on precious metals like gold or silver were the universal commodity, against which all other commodities were measured.

After money was detached from metal, the only real universal commodity money was the dollar because that was the only one against which all other commodities were measured. And you could say many of the big currencies that were easily converted into dollars had some of that universality rub off on them. By the way i count precious metal derived money as fiat money as well.

After the US began expanding sanctions at some point they crossed the line where the dollar can't be considered as the universal commodity against which all other commodities are measured anymore.

Precious metals are still universal in the sense that every economy will exchange for it, but you can't really use it to buy stuff. Shops don't have scales for measuring the weight of metal anymore, and won't accept pieces of metal as payments. That means that it's not really money.

There are a select few crypto moneys that appear to have the ambition to become a universal commodity, but they are very far away from realizing that.

So where does that leave universal commodity money ?
Does that still exist ?
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Visited leftypol accidentally thinking it was this site, whole place just looks like a Twitteroid hivemind but more "sophisticated". Why is leftypol such a shithole but this place seemingly rational?
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SquareEnix promises to add NFTs to games in near future.

I'm really enjoying all of the videogame journalists pissing and shidding themselves over the gold rush game publishers are in over NFTs.

Practically every major publisher is promising to integrate NFTs into games and some like Sega, are already selling them now.

One legitimate criticism of NFTs are their environmental impact. But every media talking head that brings this up never spoke out against the Iraq War that irradiated entire cities with depleted uranium munitions, or the Pentagon, who is the number single emitter of greenhouse gases.

So I'm with the crypto bros on this one say this is sour grapes on people that missed out on the ground floor of this get-rich-quick scheme.

I also see this as anger from the burger settler class who are now really getting priced out of the middle class lifestyle in earnest to the point where their steady diet of new videogames may soon be out of their reach. As someone who grew up poor and was always priced out of these type of consumerist leisure goods I relish their anguish.

Another example of this is when Settlers (read white people) shidded themselves over Disney's new $2000 a night Stars Wars themed hotel. As they rightfully saw this as a new trend in Disneyland Theme Parks where they will soon only cater to the 1%. I never got to go to Disneyland when I was young and was told by these same Settlers that I shouldn't be upset because I can live without it. Ironically, it's them who will now live without it while I can actually still afford to go.

And game journalists are particularly hypocritical because we've seen none scarce digital goods sold for 20+ years now, first with iTunes, and then with Amazon with books, and later Steam with games. No one every questioned the environmental impact of these systems.

Overall I think NFTs will be a net good for the proletariat, it will provide a second hand market of digital goods that proles have already spent billions on, and put a lot of equity in their pocket.

I know there's been a lot of cringe shenanigans around NFTs, like crumby jpegs going for 100's of thousands of dollars. But that kind of foolishness will subside. If people are going to buy infinitely copy-able digital assets like their scarce physical goods, they might as well have a way to resell them.

What do you guys think?
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Why does the left have such a massive issue with protecting itself against Cluster B (BPD, NPD, ASPD) types worming their way into orgs and up the ladder? Why do in particular, BPD's gravitate to the left?
It's very likely that several Actually Existing Socialist leaders with Cluster B (*CoughCeausescuCough*) and I've watched with my own eyes, BPDs and Narcissists wreck orgs i've been involved in and watched them time and time again wreck movements and orgs across multiple countries.
Every time I've watched this happen, nobody has called out their unhinged behaviour and pulled them into line, instead, half the org usually does the "You go! show them!" when the person starts dolling out the unhinged accusations or wrecking while the other half just plays along for whatever reason.
I mean, just look at all the Nu-Gender theory Idpol shit which is pretty much Borderline Personality Disorder the movement, yet the Baizuo lets these people pretty much set the "purity requirement" for the modern left despite their positions being completely schizo, slippery sloping by the day and incoherent.
It's a clear weakness of the left that organisational discipline doesn't seem to kick in against these types and that people seem terrified of calling them out. How can the left learn to better deal with the personality disordered? Especially the Borderlines that run rife through our movement?
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Socialism with bullshitter characteristics

I've just finished watching the Caleb & Haz discourse here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uUuB6Slqk about "muh third worldists and US socialist patriotism" (which was basically a covert response to the recent Caleb vs. Unruhe drama on Twitter), and came to a revelation.

Caleb emphasizes (generally, but in this exchange as well) how just like China had its "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" so will the USA in the foreseeable future have its "Socialism with Amurrican Characteristics [SWAC]." So it made me wonder… what would SWAC look like? And then I had a revelation. It would be how like their current advocates are, meaning Caleb and Haz: bullshitters making shit work by bullshitting.

If you aren't familiar with this take I'll give you a crash course:
>Caleb Maupin
>well read on communist history
<literal booklet when it comes to Marxist economics and philosophy
>tries to start an IRL movement
<is indistinguishable from a fucking Bob Avakian-type cult


>well read on non-Marxist philosophy
<literal booklet when it comes to Marxist economics and world history
>tries to start an online movement
<is indistinguishable from a fucking Bob Avakian-type cult – but on fbi.gov/Reddit/Twitter/Twitch

And the realization dawned on me. These two people are legit representatives of American culture as such, they are the products of it, since no one can escape his concrete environmental upbringing and such. So when these two speak about the future SWAC they already hint at us what it will be like: pure bullshit, trumped up with ego and drive, or, in other words: 70% bravado, 20% improvisation, 10% saving face.

Think about it. Caleb's whole focus on SWAC emphasizes two characteristics:
>individualism (freeze peach, rights, humanism, etc.)
all of which are antithetical to communism, which is to say a form collectivism, and the points of Marx & Engels
>and market socialism
even if as meant to be as a transitional period, although he says that communism is achievable "a thousand years in the future"

Meanwhile, Haz:
>We Already Live in Socialism (TM)
>incel platform that does socialist content
>bitcoin is communist praxis

So to sum up: these two are bullshitters, without a doubt. (I could go on with the examples, trust me…) But is this any different from the general US culture at hand? I doubt it. US "culture" is exactly this: loudmouth, "pragmatist," under-read, self-confident (etc.) fools saying whatever and believing it 100%.

So whatever SWAC will be, it will have this main defining feature: bullshitting.
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Reminder that doctors are class enemies. They are the reason healthcare is so expensive in the US.

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San Francisco board open to reparations with $5M payouts
Cope and seethe CHUDs anti idpolers kek
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Why are real communists so based?
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Based congressman Matt Gaetz blasts ghoulish DOD bureaucrat over training African coup leaders. At this point, I think it's clear which party is the lesser of two evils, and it's not the party of finger snapping bosswomen and their simps.
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robo managers

<A video game company that appointed an artificial intelligence bot as its chief executive has announced a market-beating stock increase.
<China-based NetDragon Websoft named the AI program Tang Yu as its CEO in August, tasked with supporting decision making for the company’s daily operations.


This specific case might be mostly a PR stunt, but it could be that the managerial strata in the corporate bureaucracy gets replaced by robots before the proles do.

What does that mean for Socialism ?
Will this make it easier to convert the economy to something like cybernetic socialism ?
Since it's all in the computer anyway, it just needs to be reconfigured a bit ?
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Etymological propaganda and its influence on the Left

Democracy: Governance by lot with citizen participation in major decision-making
"Representative democracy": an Orwellian word inversion used basically to describe the Roman oligarchic system of governance with fake appeals to populism peddled by Jefferson, Madison, and especially Andrew Jackson

Were leftists of the late 19th and early 20th century aware that this word inversion had taken place? Did any of them have an inkling that elections were a naturally oligarchic institution? I am curious about the effect this historical revision of the democratic mode of governance had on socialist strategies, tactics, and institutions. I know Marx had an education in the Greek classics, so at least he was aware… Right?
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Ant colonies - worker dictatoships?

Serious question. I've read recently that the dynamics of the ant population, ie how many different types of ants should be produced, is actually determined by worker ants in a colony.
This implies that the queen is actually a mean of reproduction controlled by the worker ants, through feeding patterns, pheromones or whatever other mechanisms. Is there a detailed research on this?
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Download NOW!!! Nuclear war is threating us because these officials refuse to engage in diplomacy with Russia anymore. It is your country, it is your cities, do you want to be blasted to oblivion because of these wicked men and women? NOW is the time to do something about it before it is forever too late!!!

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Are there good arguments for why communists should or should not become entrepeneurs, landlords or investors?
What should the few bourgoisie who find themselves sympathetic to communism be directing their efforts towards?
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I fucking hate communists

The more older I become the more I understand just how strong is my urge to murder other communists.

Almost every one of them is some kind of a sperg, an idealist, a dogmoid automaton, a lib, a nationalist, a culture warrior, a grifter, a socialite, I could go on and on.
I can't fucking stand you. Every time I talk to one I imagine him choking on his blood, and this image gives me a relief.

First thing that triggers me immensely is the obsession with philosophy. Every time some idealist sperg mentions dialectics to me it takes me titanic effort to not pick up a chair and bash their head into the nearest wall with it.
Seriously, it got so bad that I sometimes daydream about choking Engels and Hegel with a stupid smile on my face.
I'm now convinced that there can not be such thing as a proletarian philosophy. Philosophy is a mind poison of the ruling classes, always has been, and it poisoned the minds of the leaders of the workers movement due to them all being intellectuals. All according to Marxism lol.
This obsession is so widespread that I sometimes wonder if I am the only one who came to Marxism through the study of history and not through some philosophic elitist drivel. It tells

The second thing is idealism (being an insufferable sperg is closely related). It seems like you just can't expect communists to be pragmatic in this day and age. It's like they are stuck between the Scylla of maximalism and the Charybdis of defeatism. It's either "If I can't dance, it's not my revolution!" or "capitalism is actually socialism because they say so". It seems like communists don't have the patience or the mental capacity to just keep fucking grinding to their aims, slowly and methodically, using everyone and everything they can, and patiently waiting for their moment. No, they just NEED to sperg out and express their very important opinion (that 10 out of 10 times is some banal idealism or empty populist platitudes) on every little matter!
At moments like this it usually takes me two to three cigarettes to calm down.

And as we touched on it already, lets discuss the third thing - cheap populism. It is so widespread that I got in more fights over populist rhetoric than over any other thing. It seems like every communist takes his audience for fucking 10-year old kids who can be manipulated by simple tricks. Hey, you know that I can SEE what you are doing? You know we're all adults here? Hey, look me in the fucking eye, do you take me for a fucking idiot bitch? I will string your bowels on a fucking pike!

Yes, I know that our government is against proletariat. Yes, I know that our government doesn't care about human rights if those humans are poor. Yes, I know that our government is militarist. Any more banal platitudes? Do you think you're some fucking preacher that is here to open our eyes or something?
Criticizing - offer. No suggestions - no right to speak. Tattoo these expressions on your retarded fucking head or I will do it. And learn some some fucking rhetoric, sperg. Speak efficiently and concisely, get to the point, respect your audience, don't waste our time, we have lives to live.

Seriously, the only marxist that I can consistently listen to these days without rage quitting is Cockshott, and he is a fucking old fart who sounds like he is gonna die any minute now. But at least he gets to the point and doesn't waste my time, even if he has a tendency to ramble on about his niche stemfaggotry. But I can officially say that he is the least insufferable communist.
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He's back

Your lord and master has been reinstated on Twitter.

Bow and scrape, plebs.

I suppose this is also a good place to make a "Eugene general" to discuss your Lord and Master's received wisdom and awe in His magnificance. You are in the light of the new knowledge of the 21st century.

So you can check out my website and comment on my writings:


Since you all like talking about transhumanists all the time, I wrote an article about that on the website, and also a podcast on the incel thing which I linked before. As you can expect, sexual politics has always been a proxy for eugenics, and when push comes to shove it always comes out in these arguments.
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<centrally planned capitalism

Is this the solution to the problems that historical socialism faced. If so, to what end should capitalism be planned? How (or by whom) should this be decided and upon what administrative, legislative, or judicial basis?
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We are well aware that trade unionism is in dire straits right now. The trade unions have all just gotten a terrifying kick to the teeth with the events of last December, and even the supposedly "strong" UFT has people admitting that they feel like its power is gone. How do we assist in the creation of new unions to replace the old corporate ones?
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>Super crazy idea
Instead of sperging out abt history and philosophy (dats dialectical materialist n sheeit, muh eugenics), why not just focus on appealing to actually existing people to unite against the actually existing ruling class? This might be a better foci for any proper left.
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It's that time again comrades. A new Global Capitalism Update has dropped

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>Chimp in state of nature never jerks off, but in captivity he does, wat does this mean? In state of nature he’s too busy, to put plainly. He is concerned with mastering space: solving problem of life in and under trees, mastering what tools he can, mastering social relations in the jockeying for power and status. Deprived of this drive to development and self-increase he devolves to pointless masturbation, in captivity, where he senses he is in owned space and therefore the futility of all his efforts and all his actions. The onanism of modern society is connected with its supposed “hyper-sexualization” and its infertility. It’s not really hyper-sexualization, but the devolution of the spirit to the lassitude of a diffuse and weak sexuality.

>Among your instincts you will find the longing for strong friendships, that the modern evil tries to snuff out. And they have good reason to try this, because every great thing in the past was done through strong friendships between two men, or brotherhoods of men, and this includes all great political things, all acts of political freedom and power. The modern zoo wants you instead to be a weak and isolated "individual".

He's kinda right
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value theory

Lets discuss value theory.

Marx says the source of all economic value is because human labor is universal.

Marx says human ability to imagine and plan ahead is the source of universality, what Marx originally meant by that is somewhat unclear to me. I think this argument was tailored at countering a bourgeois retort that equated human workers with beasts of burden like horses.
Cockshott has IMHO improved Marx's justification by tying it to the universality of human labor-power. Humans can do just about any work task you can come up with.

I want to go one step further and say that human universality also rests on the ability of producing new humans. This gets important later.

The reasons why this argument exists is because the bourgeoisie tries to argue that economy value comes from capital. For example machine capital or land capital.

Today nobody seriously tries to argue that land produces profits, because the landed aristocracy isn't powerful enough anymore to command mental-labor for intellectual class-war in the realm of economic theory. But some still argue that machine capital is not just tools for enhancing worker productivity, but a source of profits in it self.

Some go as far as saying that capitalists can replace human labor with machines.

I think it's possible to build a machine that's as universal as humans are. So the Scifi stories that have anthropomorphized humanoid androids are basically correct in their assumptions.

However i want to emphasize that the humanoid robots that exist are nowhere near scifi level of sophistication.
It took about 4 decades to get the movement from barely able to walk automatic-legs, to the level of mobility we would consider athletic.
During that time perception of and navigation through, an environment, has greatly improved as well.
However all of this still has to be considered low hanging fruit, because all of these robots are still following the concept of animated puppetry. The Boston dynamics robots are on a much longer leash and have some autonomy (at least that's what they claim in their marketing material)

From an economic theory perspective: if a capitalist bought those robots, they would count as embodied labor power ( design-labor, manufacturing-labor and maintenance-labor). So a capitalist deploying these can only make super-profits (taking profits from other capitalists). They can't make profits through direct exploitation of these bots, because they are after-all just embodied labor of human workers. So at this level of technology robots are merely a means for capitalists to compete against other capitalists. Which probably means that economic incentives are tilted towards military applications.

The robots aren't able to generate economic surplus until they can reproduce them selves. Basically the robots do work to produce new replacement bots and do extra work beyond bot manufacturing and that counts as surplus, and that might be a potential source for capitalist profits. Mind you that those robots would also need the artificial mental capacity that allows them to design them selves. Those would have to be fairly intelligent and the practicality of enslavement is doubtful. Capitalist profits arise through money circulation. Making robots interact with money is orders of magnitude harder and slower than just using regular computer networking technology for directing them via instructions. So it's doubtful whether money will ever command robot-labor.

All that said the most prominent reason why capitalists won't be able to replace workers with robots is because capitalism won't be around for long enough to see the beginning of self-reproducing robots that are capable of producing economic surplus, that could be a source of profit. (Since it took decades to figure out full mobility and impressive but still limited navigation)
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on the incel/female question - why right cyberfeminism is the way to go

the other incel thread got derailed into age of consent shit-flinging, and furthermore i have a larger point so i will make a new thread. overall, i am of the belief that blackpill ideology and the materialist analysis of sex can be reconciled with one another. it is of my opinion that the reason so many incels are traditionalists stems from a fundamental false consciousness that has its origins in the truth of sex not having fully actualized

both black pill thinking and radical feminist thought share a fundamental kernel of truth: that sex based asymmetries are fundamentally grounded on the ownership of particular reproduction organs. other sexually dimorphic traits of the human species which are not primary sexual characteristics still play a role in job market, but as evinced from the fact that we still have unequal representation in jobs that do not require manually intensive labor, it should be clear that their role is far more minimal. there have also been posited psychological differences between men and women, but while they might have some explanatory power, there is a care that should be made, on how substantial these differences really are, which hasn't been had. my problem with this direction is that it uses a continuous distribution of neurodiversity in order to justify a bipartite categorical structure. furthermore, such an explanatory approach is practically inept, as it either suggests that nothing should be done in asymmetrical sexual standards, or an impossible regression in the material conditions of sex (id est, traditionalism). such a regression is, on one side impossible under hegemonic capitalism, and on the other hand, unlikely with current technologies (viz, automation, proliferation of contraception/protection from STIs, mate finding technologies like tinder, etc). this isn't to mention that a social-material regression would be predicated on women turning back on their material interests, which, without copious propaganda is unlikely. not only that, but many men either prefer to have women that are genuine intellectual and economic equals, or are simps who would rather prioritize the rights of women over their own sexual gratification

not only is standard traditionalism insufficient, but so is socialist approaches. the material conditions which produce asymmetries in sexual relations are mostly invariant to economic distribution strategies. we've had patriarchy since agriculture. technology and the reality of differences in reproductive labour are the ultimate determining factors

like i said, both incels and feminists recognize this. for the former, they note the expensiveness of wombs in comparison to dicks as an argument for why there is this difference in the ratings of attractiveness of the two sexes. on the other side, radical feminists understand that patriarchy is fundamentally grounded on ownership of women's bodies. both agree that the pussy monopoly somehow plays a fundamental role in the structure of society

my issue with feminists is that they place too much faith in their capacity to convince men to be on their side. at the end of the day however, it really does come down to a war of the sexes. men want pussy as social and economic currency. incels understand this intrinsically, since the main result of their incapacity to get laid is the resulting subhumanity/low rank in status that they feel. vagina=power, and men without vaginas are powerless subhumans (women have vaginas, and hence the on first analysis economically incoherent assessment that women live life on "easy mode"). to this extent, SCUM manifesto's inversion of freud is unironically correct. i should note here that while solanas might have intended her thesis to be largely satirical, we see this inversion both in lacan and jung. for the former, the sovereign is the mother, whilst for the latter, man's soul and source of spontaneity is in their anima (i.e. their feminine aspect). in both cases, the feminine is then intrinsically understood, either as a completing element, or the very ideal of completion itself. the problem was seeing the feminine as a mere negation, as opposed to an element which must be sublated for the truth of the male sex to be manifest

(if one is feeling particularly brave, male gender dysphoria could ultimately be grounded in this incompleteness of the male. im not sure how true this really is, but could be plausible. that the man's striving after creativity is contradicted by the womb's innate, effortless creative energy is certainly a contradiction that would cause much vexation)

so this liberal feminist idea that mere protest is sufficient is one that should be treated with skepticism. not only do men materially benefit from the patriarchy, but they in some sense ontologically aided as well. of course, the benefit in the latter case should be qualified which takes us to why incel attraction to traditionalism is fundamentally a false consciousness. a regression is plainly insufficient, and it failure lies in its fundamental ignorance of their real grievances. making women merely subservient to men obstructs man's reflection back into himself as the woman is still another animal which resists introjection. the problem with love (or recognition) is itself twofold:
i) the dialectic of recognition involves the incorporation of the woman qua consciousness into the man
ii) love and subservience are competing intentionalities. marriage, is in the last instance, a mating contract. "romantic love" and its relation to marriage is a prevalent idealist perversion which has its salience vanish when we move to traditional models

i should note that "transmaxxing" is not a serious solution either. and this is for numerous reasons:
i) reverse gender dysphoria is always a possibility
ii) with our current technology we do not have artificial wombs so it is an insufficient solution
iii) even if it was ultimately possible, it would only result in the male subject to transmisogyny since the womb is still attached to their organism

so we see here then that both feminists and incels have a false consciousness. they are attached to means that do not ultimately fulfill their ends. my claim is that fembots (and mayhaps menbots) can ultimately be the final solution to the incel/female question, but first i must diffuse another element in feminist false consciousness. this is centred around the outrage pertaining to sexbots
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Some clarification is necessary with regards to the Russo-Ukrainian War.
When Lenin quoted Clausewitz in saying "war is politics by other means", he should have appended "in capitalism" to it. Capitalism may generate crises that result in wars, but war is not about economic interest, nor is war merely a different expression of politics.
War is a political failure, appearing as one party (oftentimes the weaker one) using force to "negotiate" and to achieve their goals. War is ultimately a pseudo-politics that relies on morally blackmailing others to pick a side. It is pseudo-politics because politics is not about morality or justice, despite any such motivations, but is about freedom and power.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" applies in capitalist politics, opportunistically taking positions based on political clout. Of course a socialist movement should take advantage of divisions among the ruling class, but it should also point out the rotten and unprincipled positions that members of the ruling class tend to take in this context (bourgeois pacifism, bourgeois defeatism, et cetera).
Socialist politics is the class struggle, the struggle to organize the working class to seize political power without national boundaries; all other activity ought to be subordinate to this goal. Socialists ought not cede to capitalist politics by taking sides on capitalist wars.
We are constantly being manipulated by capitalist politics, making it difficult for us to imagine an alternative. Therefore, our first step should be to ask how we can organize workers independent of capitalist policy.
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socialism will win !

This is the thread for good news.

People have a tendency to focus on what is going wrong and miss out on what is going well.
I'm also suspecting that there is a doomer astroturf going on.

To counteract this a little i want to ask you to post uplifting news.
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Biden is responsible for the Train car derailments in Ohio

This mother fucker is at least partially resposible (ofc along with the CEOs and board of directors) of for the derailment of those trains and cars in Ohio. He needs to get the same treatment Bush Jr got over the invasion of Iraq. What a fucking joke and the Media is totally silent over the whole thing. I hope this bastard gets cancer in his asshole.
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Was ending apartheid a mistake?

Ya, I get it.
>Racial equality, social justice, blah blah blah
But here's the thing, by virtually every single other metric, quality of life has gotten drastically worse in South Africa. I can't help but think that ending apartheid was a massive mistake and that we are currently witnessing the inevitable consequence of putting incompetent people in charge of a country.

If you have one that's mildly coherent, I'm open to alternative explanations for why ending apartheid has ushered in the exact opposite of an abundant, harmonious society.
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Thank you Ana Montes

>“Montes betrayed our nation, but not for money. In fact, she never received payment for any of her actions – astonishingly, she was motivated purely by hatred for America,” Rubio wrote in an op-ed penned for Americano Media.

‘Queen of Cuba’ spy released from US jail
Ana Montes, described as “one of the most damaging spies” in US history, has been released from federal prison in Texas. The double agent for Cuba was freed on Friday after more than 20 years in custody, data on the Federal Bureau of Prisons website shows.

Montes, now 65, made a solid career with the US government, initially working for the US Department of Justice before joining the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) back in 1985. She ultimately became a senior intelligence analyst for Cuba –even scoring a nickname the ‘Queen of Cuba’– and worked in this role until her arrest in 2001, days after the 9/11 attacks.

It turned out that Montes had been spying for Cuba throughout her whole government career, as she had been recruited by that country’s intelligence when she was a student at Johns Hopkins University. Officials at the time said it was believed that the Cuban Intelligence Service (CIS) had pushed her to pursue the DIA career in the first place.

As a double agent, Montes is believed to have funneled highly-sensitive information to the CIS for nearly two decades. According to federal charging documents, Montes was very careful, never taking classified information from her work computer but memorizing it instead, as well as using water-soluble, easy to destroy paper to deliver the data to her Cuban handlers.

According to the Bush-era US Counterintelligence head Michelle Van Cleave, Montes has become “one of the most damaging spies the United States has ever found,” who has compromised “virtually everything” Washington knew about Cuba.

In 2002, Montes pleaded guilty to espionage charges which could have carried the death penalty for her, yet was ultimately sentenced to 25 years in prison under a plea deal. According to her lawyers, Montes was primarily motivated for spying by a belief that “the Cubans were treated unfairly by the US government.”

Commenting on the release of Montes, Republican hardliner Senator Marco Rubio urged Americans to remember the double agent “for who she really is,” suggesting that she should not be forgiven, even after serving her sentence.

“Montes betrayed our nation, but not for money. In fact, she never received payment for any of her actions – astonishingly, she was motivated purely by hatred for America,” Rubio wrote in an op-ed penned for Americano Media.

On her release, Montes is set to remain under supervision for five years, according to her sentence. She will be banned from working for government or contacting ‘foreign agents’ without special permission, while internet access will be closely monitored by the authorities.
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Deep State

Ben Norton is doing a Series on the Deep State.

The first episode is about the JFK assassination.
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John Fetterman is cool because he's the cognitive deficiency candidate. Mr. Oz has smarts, but he only knows how to use them for evil. He made his bones terrorizing the brains of innocent old insane dementia people, scamming them with fraudulent weight loss products. Fetterman may be dumb but he knows how to stack bricks and smear mortar on the bricks for 16 hours a day in the hot Pennsylvanian sun. That is a deed Mr. Oz has never known once in his privileged life.
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All U.S. extremist mass killings in 2022 linked to far right, report says
When will the public wake up to this existential threat?
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South Asia and Desi General

A general thread for all South Asian related discussion.
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Falling rate of profit

Before Karl Marx wrote the political economy of capital, he was studying energy conservation laws. The tendency for the falling rate of profit is partially an expression of that.

Capitalist ideologues that are pretending that capitalism can go on for ever are basically peddling the same scam ass free energy perpetual motion devices.

In Marxist theory, the falling rate of profit is caused by the capitalist system changing the material conditions until it can no longer reproduce its existence.

Capitalism is not a perfect machine that will continue working until the profit-rate reaches zero. It will likely stall out some time before that. In this context perfect capitalism has perfect market-competition between capitalists, and all the capitalists are reinvesting 100% of their profits into new/upgraded means of production. No surplus goes into prestige projects, ruling class luxury, wars and means of political domination. All those expenses will make the system stall out earlier than the theoretical ideal of capitalism.

Marx also said that the mode of production changes once the old mode of production can no longer advance the productive forces.
That is also something that arises from statistical mechanics of thermo dynamics. In simple words low entropy increasing systems are statistically less likely to exist than systems that increase more entropy. The productive forces are really good at increasing entropy and the more advanced the better they become at increasing entropy. War is also very good at increasing entropy, so if you value peace, you value investing in developing the productive forces. It is not possible to choose a low entry path, like for example going back to agrarian society, because it will anger the gods of entropy.

Should we say it's a cooling rate of profit ?
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Eugenics, can it be a left-wing policy?

Well, I've been thinking about this issue, which is quite delicate for obvious reasons, and I think that eugenics is not necessarily a policy of the left or the right, but it depends on how it is applied.

To begin with, it must be said that eugenics is nothing more than favoring certain biological characteristics over others for future generations, it could be said that it is a form of self-managed evolution, it has a bad reputation because when it was applied in countries like the United States or the Nazi Germany what was intended was to exterminate populations considered inferior, however, is this the only form of eugenics?

If 20, 30, 40 or even 100 years from now, genetics were mastered well enough to be able to modify the DNA of an embryo with minimal risk, couldn't this be used to improve our species? Couldn't dozens if not hundreds of genetic diseases be exterminated? Couldn't we design children who grow up to be healthier, stronger and more intelligent? And if that were the case, couldn't a public eugenics program be promoted? that is to say, that couples who are interested can access a genetic modification program to promote these beneficial characteristics in their future child. Wouldn't this be a kind of "socialist eugenics"?

I believe that eventually it is inevitable that genetic modification of embryos will become commonplace, and therefore it is important that the idea of ​​public eugenics be promoted, otherwise only people with enough money to pay for these programs could access to them, and that would eventually lead to a much more evident caste system than the current one, where the rich are practically supermen with advantages that allow them to dominate the labor and scientific market while the poorest classes would be relegated to occupying a position increasingly irrelevant in society.

Anyway, I'd like to discuss the matter because I find it interesting.
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WTF is the left

Ok, I've never really heard anyone here explain what the left is (except the one dude with the asinine and convoluted definition about 'how the left doesn't exist because people don't perceive the left or it doesn't do the same thing as 100 years ago).

I've obviously used this place as a bit of a platform to rant against muhleft or the left (tm), and I genuinely appreciate the latitude the mods have given me to do that - since I feel like critique of the left has always been a tradition within the broader termed left. (Bolshevik split with the Mensheviks, the anti-revisionists broke from the USSR, in the west the 60s new left broke from the old, etc).

In some ways, the fake and ghey left is an example of a section of the broader left trying to distinguish themselves from the rest, albeit on a misguided cultural footing within the lap of finance capital.

But, this still an open question: what is the left.

I always find myself returning to the Marx quote - the free development of each is the free development of all.

This presents a sort of paradox, since development (on the individual and collective level) itself is never free. It always has an expense. Moreover, often development occurs faster through episodes of adversity, challenge, and even necessity.

At the same time you have a situation in which something is to lacking of freedom, has very little optionality or autonomy, it becomes stunted or dies, or it develops accordingly as cattle.

So you have these two (four really) qualities you wanted to maximize: collective and individual liberty and development. Of course, you cant completely 'max out' one without sacrificing stats in the others, but you can arrange a society in which all are raised a great bit.

This begins to provide an teleological orientation for the left - toward the maximizing of personal and social liberty and development.

This, of course, raises the question: development, what means.

To this I would argue the natural response - the expansion of personal and collective capability and achievement (against, something that requires both liberty and challenge to attain, with a special focus on liberty/freedom).

This, I'd argue, answers the sort of shared defining goal the left proper ought seek.

>Inb4: anti-capitalism, socialism>communism, some variation thereof

1) ok, to what end..? to what end? and to what end x3? What is the actual goal beyond 'ending exploitation, class oppression yadda yadda.' (Refer back to Marx quote)

2) Regarding communism as such, let's be real - command economy socialism wasn't as glorious as it looked on the propaganda posters or as outline by the chairman of the CP of that particular country.

Sure it solved many many problems, but it came with it own sets of other problems and expenses. As it turns out, centrally planning how much lettuce to grow isn't the very best idea - at least not at the time.

But - and this is important - it's a different time. Technology has developed quite a bit, to the point where literally planning how much lettuce to grow is actually far more feasible and productive than leaving it to private or contracted peasants.

That itself raises a whole other can of worms on political economy. But suffice to say, while the left proper is certainly dead is some sense, we ought to still be able to agree on a definitional kernel of wtf the left means.
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gl0wie d0x

Canadian glowuyghur is also a pedophile. This is important news I must share with the entire internet. Please like and upv0te
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Zionazis be like

Syria got hit by the most severe earth quake in recent history. And most of the world send disaster relieve aid, even the western sanctions got lifted a tiny little bit.

Except for Israel they just fucking bombed Damascus.
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Opinions on the Unabomber and specially his manifesto
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Any questions?

saved: https://archive.md/0wMAN

I mean, seriously, any questions left at this point?
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Is it reasonable to make a distinct between different types of capital at this stage of capitalism:

For example, we're all aware of:

Productive capital
Finance capital

But might we add onto this

Social control capital
Sales and business services (tertiary paper pusher) capital
Communication capital
Innovative capital (related to break out technologies)
Bureacratic or State Capital

Obviously these categories overlap to some degree, and they all operate together within a single system. Meanwhile, each might inculcate its own distinct cultural ideological features and indicate a direction of society.
>Pic unrelated
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>Thought experiment:

Let's assume there are two societies. Within both these societies, the only thing produced is apples, which represents the sum product of labor. Also, for simplicity sake, let's assume each society only has 10 people.

In society A, a total of 10 apples are produced in a given period. They are divided equally, with each person getting 1 apple each. (This, of course, represents a society without class division or exploitation).

In society B, let's assume that 100 apples are produced during the same period of time. However, they are divided unequally. 1 person receives 82 apples, whilst the 9 other people each receive 2 apples. Obviously, this society has steep inequality, yet each member is twice as materially supplied compared to those in the first

Which society is preferable given this info?

Society A, which is egalitarian? Or society b, which is sharply divided but in which the lowest members each receive twice as much in absolute material terms?

We could say that, obviously society B, since it provides for its lowest members twice as much. Or perhaps it's society A, in which all people are poorer in absolute terms, yet doesn't have class divisions and antagonisms, comparison anxiety (so long as they aren't comparing themselves in society B) and social animosity owing to inequality.

What say you?
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What is leftypols true opinon on blockchain?

I think hat block chain has huge benefit to mankind and how we can allocate resources in society but even crypto like bitcoin itself I think needs to be defended. Bitcoin and decentralized networks of finance, whether you believe it or not is Important IMO. Even if it flies in the face of our own ideals. It is a step forward for people. Think about how many people have never even entertained the ideals of decentralization before bitcoin and blockchain? Now its fresh in the ears of millions of people who may not have ever known such a formation was possible.

There's many powerful interests that want to see block chain destroyed or controlled by their influence. (The same people who we want to fight against)

And this is why I think we should be defending crypto at the end of the day.
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Forced vaccinations

What is leftychan opinion on forced vaccinations? I'm on the fence about it. On one hand I don't think workers should be loosing their jobs. On the other hand I think it's kind of selfish and stupid to be a fucking child about getting the poke when your inaction effects the lives of every one around you possibly with death.

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Interactions of the /pol/ kind

Thread for screencapping /pol/'s idiocy. It doesn't strictly have to come from 4/pol. You can be on any boards and smell their bullshit from miles away.
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What the DPRK thinks of Same-sex marraige

(Pic- Kim Il Sung University who released below publication)


Deformation in the spiritual and cultural life, this is the means by which the capitalist state and the capitalist class attempt to turn the working masses into modern-day slaves.

The bourgeoisie is spreading reactionary ideology, culture, and rotten bourgeois lifestyle in order to paralyze the working masses' consciousness of independence, make people obey the capitalist system of exploitation, and further degenerate into slaves to money. Thus, in a capitalist society, a perverted hobby of pursuing animalistic "pleasures" that has no relation to people's healthy demands has arisen, paralyzing people's bodies and minds.

Comrade Kim Jong- il , the great leader , taught:

“Even in the countries where capitalism is said to be the most developed, the number of illiterate and mentally handicapped is increasing day by day, and many people are degenerating into vulgar humans who pursue only momentary comfort and pleasure without any ideas or aspirations . ” 》 Supplemental Edition Vol. 12, p. 422)

In the United States, where normal human thinking is completely paralyzed and intelligence and civilization are deformed, the issue of same-sex marriage, which cannot be imagined in human society, is an important topic of discussion every presidential election.

In the United States, the issue of same-sex marriage has been a major topic of discussion during the presidential election since 2004 and has been raised as a political issue. Following the 2008 presidential election in 2012, the views of the presidential candidates against same-sex marriage became a concern of the electors. In the United States, voters generally refer to candidates who support same-sex marriage as innovative and those who oppose it as conservatives.

During the 2012 presidential election in the United States, then-President Democrat Obama expressed his support for same-sex marriage, while Republican candidate Romney opposed same-sex marriage. Obama also expressed his view that same-sex marriage was recognized during the 2008 presidential election.

In 2014, in the name of the President, Obama approved a proposal to ban discrimination against homosexuals when they were employed as state officials or company employees, and requested the National Assembly to consider the bill. Obama is the first incumbent president to support same-sex marriage in the United States. So, gay marriage and same-sex marriage are now a normal thing in the United States.

Former US President Clinton's Anhae Hillary, who is about to run for president in 2016, is also trying to change her old stance against same-sex marriage. Hillary was opposed to same-sex marriage when she ran for president in 2008, but now stands in support of it. Her husband, Clinton, also said that she regrets opposing same-sex marriage during the presidential race and presidency today.

One of the issues focused on in a poll conducted in 2015 ahead of the 2016 U.S. presidential election was also related to same-sex marriage. However, the most interesting thing is that only 37% of the respondents said that they dislike a gay president, in other words, that they are reluctant to a homosexual president. So, more than 60% of the rest are saying that it is okay for a homosexual to become president, but this is the truth of American society, where mentally disabled people who have lost their human intelligence gather. In a poll conducted in 2006, more than a decade ago, 53% of respondents said they were reluctant to have a homosexual president. In the last 10 years, the number has decreased by more than 15%. It is a vivid fact that shows the reality of capitalist society, including the United States, which is getting more and more rotten with the passage of time.

In general, in a capitalist society, homosexuals who want to marry are called "gays."

Same-sex marriage is a late-century phenomenon that can only exist in a rotten capitalist society that pursues “endless freedom,” and is a product of the mental and moral corruption of capitalism that has reached its extreme. It is not difficult for anyone to guess what will happen to human society if same-sex marriage, like the stinky stench and foul-smelling capitalist filth, is pervasive in society. Since such perverted same-sex marriage has become a hot topic for candidates running for the presidential election, called the head of state, the United States is, as everyone says, an upside-down world, a rotten end-of-life society.

Same-sex marriage in the United States started with the Stonewall Struggle in New York in June 1969. At that time, New York police officers unexpectedly attacked the Stonewall Inn, a gathering place for homosexuals. There was a large-scale protest struggle by homosexuals to protest this, and it quickly spread throughout the United States as it exploded with the homosexuals' "rage" that had accumulated over the decades. However, even after that, homosexuality and same-sex marriage became illegal in the United States.

In 1972, the U.S. Federal Court of Justice recognized the Minnesota State Court's ruling that did not allow same-sex marriage. In 1973, the state of Maryland passed the first law in the United States to include a ban on same-sex marriage. Also, in 1996, the Federal Parliament approved the Federal Marriage Act, which stipulated that "marriage is the union between one man and one woman, that is, the union of the opposite sex".

Homosexuality has been consistently permitted in the United States since 1977, when a homosexual named Harvey Milk was elected as a member of the Sia Franciscan Congress and the first homosexual civil servants were created in the United States.

Massachusetts was the first state in the United States to recognize same-sex marriage. In 2003, the Massachusetts State Court in the eastern United States issued a lenient ruling on same-sex marriage, and in 2004 officially legalized same-sex marriage.

On June 26, 2013, 10 years later, the Supreme Court of the United States of America ruled that the Federal Marriage Protection Act, which stipulated that marriage was only a union between a man and a woman, was in violation of the Constitution. In addition, a California law that strongly advocated a ban on same-sex marriage was also found to be a violation of the Constitution. However, the decision on whether all states should recognize same-sex marriage has been withheld.

In June 2012, six states in the United States recognized same-sex marriage, but in June 2014, there were 17 states, and the number continued to grow. Today, 55% of Americans in the United States are demanding that same-sex marriage be legally approved.

On June 26, 2015, the U.S. Federal Court of Justice approved same-sex marriage in all U.S. states with the vote of five out of nine justices. This effectively legalizes same-sex marriage across the United States. In accordance with this decision, 11 of the 13 states that had previously banned same-sex marriage began to issue marriage licenses necessary for same-sex marriage.

Currently, more and more countries are allowing same-sex marriage in capitalist countries. For example, in 2013 the UK allowed same-sex marriage, making it the 10th country in Europe to allow same-sex marriage. If you look at the countries that allow same-sex marriage in Europe, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and France are the examples. In France, on May 29, 2013, the first same-sex wedding (male) was held in the country's history.

Even with this one fact of same-sex marriage, we can see the true face of a capitalist society where human rationality has been completely wiped out.

Capitalism is the shame of human society, and its destruction is inevitable.

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How do I become a better socialist? Having dealt with the American healthcare system for the past 3 years, I can't even begin to bring myself to defending capitalism anymore. It doesn't create a better product or service; It just makes for a more conniving business strategy and if, by chance, that creates a better product… All the better for THEIR bottom line.

Had enough; What do I have to do to bring about a socialist utopia?
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new class struggle tactic

<PARIS—To fight President Emmanuel Macron’s pension overhaul, France’s most militant labor union is pursuing a radical strategy: cutting electricity to his political supporters and the wealthy while handing out discounted power and gas to the public.

<During a nationwide strike last week, members of the far-left CGT union who work in the energy sector cut power to the office of a lawmaker from Mr. Macron’s party for more than three hours. On Monday, CGT energy workers in Marseille manipulated electricity and gas meters to cut bills for bakers who were protesting in the French port city against high energy prices. CGT’s leadership called such moves a “Robin Hood” operation and said they would continue as the country prepares for another national protest on Tuesday.

<“Strikes are good, but they’re no longer enough,” said Sébastien Menesplier, head of the CGT’s energy division. “We have to take actions that are visible and impact those who are supporting the government.”

Philippe Martinez, the CGT’s national leader, this week proposed cutting power to billionaires and singled out Vincent Bolloré, a French tycoon who owns a host of businesses, including CNews, a right-leaning 24-hour news channel. “They can put themselves into the position of millions of people who face energy poverty,” Mr. Martinez said.


A new class struggle tactic just dropped.
Is this going to work ?
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Soviet Architecture is ugly AF CMV

Seriously look at what Narva was in 1938 vs post WW2.
Baltoid lapdogs are right about that at least.
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Leftist Unpopular Opinion

What is your Leftist unpopular opinion leftypol?

>The West is not responsible for every shitty thing that happens in Developing countries, most developing nations just have completely nonfunctional institutions and many suffer from simply having no sense of national identity or cohesion.
>Also "Muh British lines are bad" isn't an excuse, that's practically just arguing that non-ethnostates/Tribal Kingdoms can't work for Africa, South East Asia etc.
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nuclear race


Is Oliver stone correct about the new race for nuclear energy being led by China, India and Russia.

Is the west going to miss the boat ?
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What if I told you that capitalism being superceded by another mode of production is inevitable, and hence it's only the finer details of culture, politics, and social issues that are actually up for debate.
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porkies turn to organ snatching

The privatized prison complex in the US now appears to be considering going into organ trafficking.

In this scheme the police hunts poor people, then the prison extract organs from them in exchange for their early release.

When future revolutionaries overthrow this system, they will have done nothing wrong.
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On Taiwan

If socialism is anti-imperialism, why do some of you support the dismantling and reunification of a free, democratic republic such as Taiwan?
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cloud capital

Yanis Varoufakis went to Cuba and gave a speech about a new non-alignment movement.

He brought up a newto me concept of cloud-capital as a means of behavioral modification.
He said we should differentiate it to means of production.
(He speaks about this at 18:00 minutes)

Is he right about this ?

Should we add the new category of
<means of behavioral modification
to Marxist theory ?

he also says that
<who controls cloud capital controls surplus value
So has the situation changed since Marx said: "Seize the means of production" ?
Should socialists seek to seize the means of behavioral modification in addition-to/instead-off the means of production ?

To be honest I'm not entirely convinced behavioral modification technology should exist.
In my imagination that's a whip for the mind, but I'm open to counter arguments.
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What do you think of forced labor and lack of variety?

For one, I believe that it is very based for prisoners to be working in chicken factories and making bricks. This is forced labor in my opinion, but instead of free people doing these menial jobs, the prisoners do it as punishment. This stimulates more production.

Secondly, I read the bit from Cockshott where he states that cheap labor doesn't bring about automation as fast, I agree. I have noticed that when I watch factory videos, there are many, many jobs that could be automated but aren't. Anyhow, I would like that problem to be solved because my goals are the same as yours: A healthy, happy, clean world. I also agree with labor unions most of the time. I am genuinely interested in socialism, although it seems flawed in the sense that it reduces personal responsibility to the point where workers just don't care.

Thirdly, I would like to ask something about you guys as I have my own views on economics, I don't subscribe to a political philosophy, but I am economically right, socially left, how do we (according to you) overcome the lack of variety that former socialist countries had?

Fourthly, please don't be mean, I am just interested, and no I won't read Marx, it's too boring.
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definition of fascism

The standard Marxist definition of fascism comes from Georgi Dimitrov writings The class character of fascism, and he defines it as:
<The open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital.


But somehow today there is a lot of effort being put into redefine fascism into something else.
Even some Marxist spaces often can't properly define the class character of fascism.

Why is that ?
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They accomplished so little and somehow all ended up as functionaries of the bourgeois state. Why is this?
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>what new year's resolutions should the left make?
Comrades. The year of the rabbit (or cat) is here. What are some resolutions or changes the left ought to make to usher in a glorious, prosperous, and harmonious socialism?
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Andrew Tates

Now that this criminal faggot finally got arrested his flocks of incel fans are super butthurt, claiming that GAHWD will avenge daddy who dindu nuffin.
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>What are the political implications of the pareto principle both in the left and in the wider world.
Does fact that 80% of impact/results stem from 20% of agents explain the inherent inequality of the world. Is this necessarily a bad thing, or is it just a thing that is devoid of value but should simply be accounted for?
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If leftists want to send a real message to capitalists we need to vote Trump. The liberals are fucking hysterical and a threat to our democracy, I mean they're fucking calling Trump a fascist and a reactionary, fucking hysterical libtards. Trump 2024.
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US is banning methal ciggarettes

I for one think this is based and red pilled.
The whole of the tabacoo industry should be shut down exc ept for flavored tabbaco that people smoke from hookas.
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What is the materialist explanation for why Europeans are such cucked pussies?
>Omg daddy govt plz make fast bikies stop
I have an evolutionary theory. All the non pussy European men somehow found their way to the Americas between 1500 and 1940, leaving just dapper dependant fags on the continent. Political implications?
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French pigs beat old people as govt prepares to steal pensions

What are the political implications of Macron being a faggot sub who married a granny that groomed him?
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There's a CIA agent posting here, 100%

Fair warning to all the comrades. His posting pattern is the following:
>shill NATO narratives in the /ukro/ thread
>shill nazbol shit
>[get banned]
>posts a cp bait thread and post cp in other threads linking to a website that records your IP address
I haven't seen this behavior since the 8ch times, to be honest. And they don't do it on .ogre either (which makes me think the mods there are already compromised). In any case, it's on the record that 8ch had CIA posters. I think the feds are getting clever with their nazbol shilling – it's one of the ways communism can be defanged, idpol being the other, obv.
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MAGA Communism is based

MAGA Communism is the future of American Communist movement because the MAGA movement itself is in many ways proto-communist. It is by far the largest and most powerful anti-establishment movement in the US. Anti-establishment democrats have immediately cucked out when elected (AOC and Bernie Sanders in particular), and while grifters like DeSantis try to appeal to the MAGA movement they cannot inspire the same populist energy that Donald Trump did when he promised to end foreign wars and bring back jobs. "Peace, Land, and Bread" if you will. Regardless of if Trump is a corrupt fuck or not seriously investigating the reasons behind why his movement has basically defined American politics since 2016 should be a priority of Communists.

MAGA Communism is necessary for reaching the masses - even those that don't like communism right now! Rejecting much of the American people for believing in MAGA results in making communism an edgy thought to be consumed by university students and other idiots.

"Out of the movement, into the masses."
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New Battle Simulation from Burger Think Tank Projects Chinese Loss vs. Taiwan

The First Battle of the Next War: Wargaming a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan

>CSIS developed a wargame for a Chinese amphibious invasion of Taiwan and ran it 24 times. In most scenarios, the United States/Taiwan/Japan defeated a conventional amphibious invasion by China and maintained an autonomous Taiwan. However, this defense came at high cost. The United States and its allies lost dozens of ships, hundreds of aircraft, and tens of thousands of servicemembers. Taiwan saw its economy devastated. Further, the high losses damaged the U.S. global position for many years. China also lost heavily, and failure to occupy Taiwan might destabilize Chinese Communist Party rule. Victory is therefore not enough. The United States needs to strengthen deterrence immediately.

Details in pdf rel.

Reminder that Rand Institute had a similar docu ~4 years ago where they predicted that unless the USA starts a war against China by 2025, the war will be almost unwinnable.

Reminder of based Cockshott's analysis:
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National Socialism General

Alright well I think leftism is seriously erased from here so it's time to start to get hip! That's right leftist cucks it's over, we all know that National Socialism is coming back on top. So our primary objective here is to infiltrate the jannies' and also make fun of people calling us fascist or something, fucking alarmists!
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What are the political implications of practice being the criterion of determining truth?
>Marxists hold that man's social practice alone is the criterion of the truth of his knowledge of the external world. What actually happens is that man's knowledge is verified only when he achieves the anticipated results in the process of social practice (material production, class struggle or scientific experiment). If a man wants to succeed in his work, that is, to achieve the anticipated results, he must bring his ideas into correspondence with the laws of the objective external world; if they do not correspond, he will fail in his practice. After he fails, he draws his lessons, corrects his ideas to make them correspond to the laws of the external world, and can thus turn failure into success; this is what is meant by "failure is the mother of success" and "a fall into the pit, a gain in your wit". The dialectical-materialist theory of knowledge places practice in the primary position, holding that human knowledge can in no way be separated from practice and repudiating all the erroneous theories which deny the importance of practice or separate knowledge from practice. Thus Lenin said, "Practice is higher than (theoretical) knowledge, for it has not only the dignity of universality, but also of immediate actuality."
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The Wolff

New Global Economic Update dropped, sempai discusses the economics of the Ukraine proxy war this time.

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Mr. Castro, how come you are boarding a Soviet airplane?
>Simply bekoss sovietic are our friends. And hear, you tok away our plants. Hear united states you the authority rob our plants. And the sovietic plan our the plan. That is…
Mr. Castro, are you saying that the American people are not your friends?
>The American people I think is good people. Yes. They are they have not a charge with the guilty of all the lies of publiçity uuuhm… hell to them.
Mr. Castro, can I ask if…
>The people of United State is good people!
Yes, thanks for clarifying, Mr. Castro.
>Havula people is wonderful people.
How do you like the…
>United state people is very good people.
How do you like the American press?
How do you like the American press?
>Ha ha ha. You will report it. Are wonderful. You're the writers. Are wonderful. But you are not the owners. Any newspaper belongs to the monopoly here.
[Sweating hands cut the film here.]
>Say us tyu know, two our puh quiggly our planes are… catch… our airplane delegation were a cupid too, and right now we don't know if we gan take airplane to Cuba. We don't know at this time. We were not sure. And so Khrushchev offer his airplane.
Is Khrushchev going to Cuba?
>Kush Kruchov is good friend good Cubans friend. Wanderful person. Sympathetic… Sympatetico. What do you want that we do? You leaf us with South petrolium. Kruchov give petrolium. You leaf us with South sugar. Khrushchev buy sugar. Here you are leaders speak about aggression to Cuba. Kruchov has speak about impending Cuba. You toad to take our plan Kruschov plan is our plan. Kruschov is friend.
Are you a communist, Fidel?
>Well… Wait for the history! The history will take what we are! You don't know anything about you know.
Castro climbs a ramp and off to Cuba.
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>even though Musk has lost more money than any human in history, he won't be going hungry any time soon – he’s still the world’s second-richest person
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How are you all so incapable of having a wiki

you've lost your "leftypedia" wiki domain twice in 2 years without any good excuses. Literally just put it on a cheap VPS and pay off a few years of the domain
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Wnhy was the bombing of Yugoslavia needed and justified?

>mass genocide taking place by insane serbians
>Multiple attempts at peace from NATO
>only around 1000 civilians died
>stopped a fucking literally genocide

Why was the bombing of Yugoslavia necessary?
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If a dictatorship of the proletariat ever emerges in the anglosphere, it might not be portrayed as a far-left phenomenon. To the contrary, its likely be perceived as the seizure of power by white cis male supremacists. Of course this will happen not because its the truth, but because such is simply how one interprets the world under the influence of the ruling ideology.
>Democrat ideologues: the working class is racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, et cetera…they must be contained
>Republican ideologues: the working class is racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, et cetera…which is BASED and REDPILLED
Indeed, it might even be possible that the far-right ends up supporting an anglosphere DotP based on this illusion. Of course we should reject any notion of a red-brown alliance, but the accusation may be hurled at us regardless.
The working class ought to have nothing to fear due to this, as we know that the vast majority of proles of all races reject identity politics. But we also know that every working class movement has involved a petty-bourgeois intelligentsia. These intellectuals are vulnerable to such ideological trickery, and it might be the case that many self-identifying socialists, communists and anarchists - from moderate social democrats to the most hardline Marxist-Leninists - will immediately reject an anglosphere DotP. We must therefore be critical of our own camp just as much as we are of the bourgeois ideologues.
However, the most important point is for those who take these warnings seriously. The worst decision one can make is, through being overly critical of the ruling ideology, to then misperceive any movement decried as "white cis male supremacist" or whatever to be a working-class movement. This is unironically how some socialists might foolishly end up supporting neo-Nazis. We must not fall into the trap of outright rejecting anything we perceive as bourgeois or passively accepting anything that is "anti-capitalist", "anti-elitist", "anti-establishment" and so on.
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European countries attacked by the Soviet Union. This is why NATO is expanding tsnkies. You think your former wards forgot?
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Why are white people so embarrassingly dopey and low t?

Pic is only marginally related, but is illustrative of the way in which whites look like literal clowns/mental invalids (rest in piss, fag). Where does the meme about white people being heartless Aryan conquerors come from? If anything, whites are a race of overweight fags and cucks with nasally voices and effeminate mannerisms. Seriously, was every other race just that weak 300 years ago, or did white degenerate into their present condition?
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American Collapse General

Post everything related to the ongoing collapse. Also, if you have predictions about how long the Empire will survive, feel free to tell us about it.
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Potential Gas Outage During Winter Storm in Wisconsin.

LlI live here and we just had days with -12°F (-24°C) and Wind Chills as low as -40°F (-40°C) or lower. Shitty outdated fossil fuel infrastructure failure and now they asking the largest population of the state on the Christmas Weekend to lower temperatures after doing hikes on energy bills. It's a fucking mess. Feel free to ask me anything.

Read below. I'll answer questions because I am now living through a potential natural gas outage event in the US.


We Energies asks customers to lower thermostats to 60°F.

<Company officials blamed the unprecedented request on an equipment failure at one of its suppliers out of state.


>In an unprecedented move late Friday, We Energies asked customers to reduce natural gas use by lowering thermostats to 60-62 degrees.

>"This request comes after one of the interstate pipeline suppliers who provides natural gas to We Energies experienced a significant equipment failure — reducing the amount of fuel they normally send by 30%," a statement posted to the company's website and social media accounts said.

>We Energies spokesman Brendan Conway identified the supplier as Guardian Pipeline, a subsidiary of Oklahoma based ONEOK.

>"Earlier [Friday], Guardian experienced two valve malfunctions at its Sycamore compressor station in DeKalb County, Illinois, which resulted in reduced capacity on our system," ONEOK spokesman Brad Borror said in an emailed statement late Friday evening.

>"Our crews are focused on resolving the issue and restoring capacity in a timely manner. One valve has been restored to service, and we continue working on the second," Borror added.

>Conway said We Energies officials would reassess the situation on Saturday.

>The company's unusual request for lowered thermostats across the state comes as Wisconsinites are braving one of the coldest nights of the year. Two days before Christmas, homes likely have more people than usual as families gather for the holidays.

>"We understand no one wants to turn down a thermostat when it's really cold," Conway said in a virtual interview, "But if we get people to turn down to 60-62 degrees, throw on an extra sweatshirt, an extra blanket, it's going to be cool but not dangerously cold and we'll hopefully be able to get the pipeline at full speed and get everything up and running as quickly as possible. "

>Online, customers blasted the company for its request.

>"During these temperatures? That’s nuts," one Twitter user replied.

>"Not with what I just paid on my last bill," another user quipped.

>Many flat out rebuffed the ask.

>"Cranking it to 75, thanks for jacking my rates!!!," one person wrote, referring to the Public Service Commission's approval this month of a 10.9% rate hike for We Energies' residential customers. The increase is expected to take effect in January.

>If customers complied with the request, the We Energies website said it would "avoid a significant natural gas outage."

>"The real issue becomes turning it back on again. It's not like flipping on a switch; it's not like that. You literally have to go to every home; turn their meter on, go inside their home; relight their pilot light, check that all of their natural gas appliances are working properly and safely and it takes some time," Conway added.

>The disclosure of the issue Friday came one day after Governor Tony Evers signed an executive order declaring an energy emergency across the state.

>"@GovEvers has been briefed by the Public Service Commission and Wisconsin Emergency Management regarding the situation with We Energies," a spokesperson tweeted, "Our office will remain in close contact with local, state, and federal partners as we continue to closely monitor this situation."
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How do you spot wreckers? And when you spot them, how do you stop them from destroying your org?
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We should appropriate these phrases from the fringes of the altright. They all critically identify features of the current system.


globalized homogenity
the tendency for the lowest classes to run amok and flout laws while working/middle class people are subject to ever more restrictions/policing over their daily lives.
people whose lives increasingly resemble that of the social insect, who belong to a hive and thus live in largely undifferentiated prefab mediocrity, often separated from literal production of commodities and instead employed within various layers of tertiary activity necessary for the perpetuation of not necessarily commodity production but the hive itself in its particular form.
<PMC - Pantsuit bosswoman class
Professional managerial class. That class engaged in activities of social conditioning rather than direct commodity production. Naturally the greatest defenders of the extant social relations. often both an indirect economic and direct ideological parasite upon the actual working class.
Not a phrase persay, but rather a sort of objective of socialism and communism rather than muhequality. It's the notion that the economy ought not serve either bare individuated self-interest in the form of private properity nor teleological principle of muhequality, which is always fake and ghey. Rather, it should be geared to expanding the capability of individuals and society at large. A fine but important distinction which runs counter to the lame sjw nonsense which usually passes for left.

Leaning harder into the direction of 'wah amerikkka' rhetoric is tired and spent. Why not adopt some of the above phrases, which are infused with power.
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Wiki says that Stalin killed 150-350k Polish citizens and that he wanted to destroy Polish culture as a whole. How do they arrive at these figures and conclusions? The latter claim (muh culture) is obviously false – just take into account the fact that Poland became communist after the war and (what a shock!) they didn't erase their culture. But what about the 150-350k figure? Did the soviets do some kind of "mini cheka" while they occupied Eastern Poland? The figures would seem excessive for such a short period of time. Or are Western historians counting the Poles sent by the Nazis to attack Ukraine as casualties of soviet occupation?
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Rich people don't be fucking freaks challenge (impossible)

"Billionaires like Elon Musk want to save civilization by having tons of genetically superior kids. Inside the movement to take 'control of human evolution.'"
Does this "pronatalism" thing fucking terrify anyone else? These eugenicists are openly constructing Gattaca and we can only watch. Our planet's natural resources are dwindling to zero and these people want to use science to create unnaturally many genetically engineered offspring who will all themselves be living lavish, wasteful rich person lifestyles, and we will have to bear the ecological cost of their excess.
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Chocolate's fucked, about to become a luxury

Lemme give you a TL;DW: almost all chocolate sold currently have dangerously high levels of lead and cadmium. Decreasing these levels will be very fucking expensive ("maybe we will have GMO tech in the future," constantly cutting out older plants instead of using them further, completely changing harvesting and manufacturing techniques).
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>Karen's Diner is an Australian chain of theme restaurants. The restaurant advertises a deliberately unpleasant dining experience, and staff are instructed to insult customers throughout their meal. The restaurant's name comes from the internet slang term Karen, used to describe a self-righteous woman who is very rude.

>The chain has opened locations in the United Kingdom, the United States, and New Zealand.[14][15][16][17]

>In August 2022, the restaurant drew controversy after a video allegedly showing a staffmember at a Brisbane location behaving inappropriately went viral on TikTok. In the video, the server makes inappropriate remarks about an underage patron and accuses her father, who was dining with her, of being a pedophile.[18][19] A spokesperson for the chain said that they were "disappointed" by the behavior and that the incident went against their guidelines.[3]

What kind of psychological effect does it have to be employed to act as a horrible person?

Also: anglos are insane.
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<what are the political implications of the sissification of males

A lot of the transvestite identity stuff seems like a psyop. Instead of serving to build a common identity in service to struggle against capitalism, it encourages people to individualisticly and immanently struggle against their own sex (and the uncanny valley). People wrapped in creating an identity out of a parody of the opposite gender aren't focused on building a better world. Even more conveniently, men who adopt the behavior and character of young girls aren't going to be the type who can actually have the mental fortitude of carrying out revolution.
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Serious question

Is pic related the reason capitalism is still around

Women's mate selection is highly contingent upon status. There have been studies where the same set men are depicted in different clothes, each representig different levels of social/economic status. Women were then asked to rate how likely they would be to engage in variously activities with them, ranging from getting coffee to having sex. The clothes had a steep impact on women's perception of men, much more than it had when the test was ran the other way (with men evaluating women in different attire representing different status).

From this, we can, with a bit of conjecture, assume that most men would be pretty chill, cooperative, and egalitarian if it weren't for women. In fact, competitive sexual selection by women may be the primary encouraging factor for striving and complex hierarchy between men, the most basic factor for class division and oppression.

How do we account for this while building communism. What do we do fit the square peg of women's innate drives with regard to mate selection into the round whole of the abolition of class society?
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Landlord stories

If you ever had a landlord you need to post your story here.

I so far had 4 landlords

First landlord
>dude in his 50s
>his failson lives next door
>3 of us rent his flat
>one of our rent mates is related to him
>2 years later we want out (different reasons)
>he comes to our flat, pretends to "measure up" the """damage""" we've done
>points at random shit like the convector
>(bitch, it was rusty even before we moved in)
>points at random floor spot
>(bitch, for real? we spent like 5 hours cleaning up your flat)
>all of the above is a ruse to scam us out of our caution money
>fucker doesn't pay us back our deposit, even though he is related to one of our mates
10/10 landlord

Second landlord
>young lawyer at the start of his career
>chill as fuck
>lives next door
>we even shared a weed420blazeit joint once
>doesn't care that I don't clean
>literal fungi growing on my unwashed plates, etc.
>(I was a young edgy adult at that point, tbh)
>doesn't care, just pay dude
>I do
>I split after a year
2/10 landlord

Third landlord
>never meet him after giving him the deposit
>pay by e-transaction
>one day wake up to this fucker opening my bedroom door
>"You need to leave ASAP"
>I'm like "huh, good morning?"
>apparently "my" (his) toilet got bust and started spilling water all over the floor while I was sleeping, and the neighbor downstairs called him
>turns out he was cheating his taxes
>he had a fake "design" company with 100% reported income coming from his renters
>I realized that I didn't have a P.O. box or doorbell exactly for his tax-avoiding reasons, lol
>find new apartment in under 5 days, get the fuck out of there
11/10 landlord

Fourth landlord
>dude is like 80 years old
>was a prole his entire life
>he is absolutely meticulous: we have a list of items his flat has printed on paper which I had to sign
>he obviously has OCD – he keeps official tabs on everything and him and I have two official ledgers he keeps writing on whenever we meet
>otherwise he's completely chill
>I found his flat after dumping Third Landlord
>when we struck the deal I even told him that "you are giving away this flat for 2/3rds of its market value"
>(I knew this because I looked at like 800 flat offerings due to 3rd Landlord shenanigans, and he was indeed keeping the price/value extremely low)
>My new landlord's response? "I don't rent out this flat as a business… I just need some cash on the side to support my grandchildren…"
0/10 landlord

In conclusion: not all landlords are the same. The most cancerous ones will be PMC-types (lawyers, academics, etc.) who use their flat as a business asset or literal "landlord businessmen" who have like 10+ flats out for rent. And no, I'm not "defending" my 4th landlord in the sense of "his structural relation to me," I know very well that he's objectively a "parasite" on society. However, and apparently, there are differences between parasites and parasites. This 80 yrs old dude who spent his entire life working was the "best" landlord I ever had. (Go figure! Work makes ppl better, who would have thunked.)

I think that after a communist takeover the DoP should focus on business-oriented landlords (you know, ppl having more than 10 rented out flats and so on [basically bourgeois landlords]), then PMC-type landlords (who use their rented out flats as means to bump up their already inflated wages), and only after these the "prole-type" landlords, who literally worked their asses off their entire lives and amassed enough wealth to like own 2 flats (one he lives in, one he rents out).

Also note: this is an Eastern-European example. I "get" that in the USA it's different, and so on.
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What are the political implications of an increasingly large proportion of economic surplus being devoted to management, social control, security, surveillance, and other aspects of the economy not directly tied to production or even consumption - and in the realm of consumption the growth of a subscription based model of extracting individual consumer rents from the various strata of people.

What are the political implications of this not only growing out of monopoly capitalism but also existing on a somewhat systemic worldwide or perhaps civilizational or epochal scale.
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<Xi Bros…. I don't feel so good

Over the past week or so, major protests have been escalating in China due to the Zero COVID policy. Apparently, Chinese visitors to the world cup were astonished that no one outside of China cares about the coof anymore, and shared their thoughts on WeChat, which has exacerbated existed discontent. Now, protestors in China are calling for the removal of Xi and the CCP. Maybe nothing immediate will come of it, but it does indicate that cracks in the social cohesion and unity in China are developing, and this may have longer term ramifications.
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Why should i use leftchan instead of leftypol?
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Internet Stool General /ISG/

In this thread we post the most disgusting internet shit from conservative to liberal aberrations and then we come to the conclusion that communism is best.
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Why stop at "sex work"?

Since we are throwing out Marxism anyway just to appease liberal sentiments we could go way further.

>fetish work

A subspecies of sex worker specializing in shitting or peeing on their customers. Very endangered worker.

>mafia work

A mafia worker is a proletarian who is exploited by the mafia boss. He is forced by The System to extract out money and/or gold teeth from his victims for protection, but his evil capitalist mafia boss takes almost all of that and pays back the poor mafia worker only a small part.


The proletariat working in the US congress, UK parliament, etc. They produce new laws without which we couldn't live under capitalism. Sadly the politi-worker is not free and is controlled by the evil bourgeoisie.

>NGO work

The section of the proletariat that produces awareness about social injustices. Sadly, they are exploited by George Soros (their boss) who doesn't compensate them properly for all the awareness they created with their hard labor.


As opposed to the regular proletariat which is exploited in the workplace, the NEET-proletariat is exploited by the system as a whole, forcing him to live with his parents and post sad content on the internet about something called the "black pill." The NEET prole is the most exploited prole of all, since his exploitation comes from all directions, resulting in such total alienation the regular proles never experienced.

>pet work

The work done by domesticated animals like dogs and cats. They work hard on creating emotional stability in their human counterparts, called "owners". Probably the most exploited type of worker, since they are basically slaves with no freedom whatsoever.


The vegetariat produces growth in their bodies, resulting in edible vegetables. It is debated whether they are more exploited than the pet workers or not, since the former doesn't typically get eaten.

>atom work

The "strong force" is a worker which attracts protons to protons, neutrons to neutrons, and protons and neutrons to each other. Without his work matter would literally fall apart, yet he gets no monetary compensation whatsoever.

>god work

A God(dess) worker is somebody who creates a universe out of love for his or her creation. Without god work there would be nothing.

What other types of work exist?
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The Yagoda Third Pill (TYTP)

Currently there are two mainstream interpretations among historians regarding Yagoda. The first one comes from Yagoda himself
>he claimed that he was an active revolutionary from the age of 14 when he worked as a compositor on an underground printing press in Nizhny Novgorod, and that at the age of 15 he was a member of a fighting squad in the Sormovo district of Nizhny Novgorod, during the violent suppression of the 1905 revolution. He said he joined the Bolsheviks in Nizhny Novgorod at the age of 16
and the second one comes from former NKVD officer Aleksandr M. Orlov, who claimed that
>Yagoda invented his early revolutionary career and did not join the Bolsheviks until 1917, and that his deputy Mikhail Trilisser was dismissed from service for trying to expose the lie.

The Yagoda Third Pill (TYTP) synthesizes the first two positions (Yagoda said something + Yagoda lied) while adding a third proposition: Yagoda never existed. This way you have to read these three propositions backwards as such: 1) Yagoda was invented; 2) the inventors said Yagoda lied; 3) the invented Yagoda claimed otherwise.

Photographic evidence
First, the ""photographic"" evidence. Picrel1: the most famous """photograph""" of Yagoda is clearly edited using an original source and mirroring one half of the original man (let's call him "pseudo-yagoda") as pic2 proves.

Second, pic3 & pic4 shows the alleged Yagoda arrest card and the real Stalin arrest card under Tsarist Russia. (Disregard the fake yellowish discoloration for a second, that's sepia effect added later.) The forged "Yagoda arrest card" was stylized after Stalin's. Notice the same attire: black shoes, trousers, jacket, hat, white shirt. Also notice how this supposed "Young Yagoda" looks nothing like "Mature Yagoda" in pic 1.

Third, the supposed "Yagoda marches with young Khruschev" pic5. Look at it very closely! Notice something? Look closer. The picture of "them" is clearly added onto another background picture. Also of note. By this time Hitler was a known figure and whoever created the mirage known as "Yagoda" tried to make him look more and more like Hitler.

Anecdotal evidence
An American journalist who was allowed to join "him" on the trip described Yagoda as
>"a spare, slightly-tanned, trim looking, youngish officer"
adding that it was
>"difficult to associate terror with the affable and modest person".
Compare this to the chemist Vladimir Ipatieff's account who briefly met "him" in Moscow in 1918 and later recorded that he had thought that
>"it was unusual for a young man in his early twenties to be so unpleasant.
Clearly, there is a discrepancy here. First, someone who is pleasant person not possible to associate with terror, then someone who is unpleasant, a terrorist. But there's more. The same chemist Ipatieff met "Yagoda" later, and recalls that "his":
>"appearance had changed considerably"
Clearly, several people played the part of the supposed "Yagoda".

Further historic evidence
When supposed "Yagoda" was arrested in 1937 the newly appointed NKVD chief Yezhov accused him of
>diamond smuggling, corruption and working as a German agent since joining the party in 1917.
As I said above, the fiction of a "traitorous Yagoda" was to be associated with Germany, Hitler specifically. But this is where it gets beyond parody:
>It was discovered that Yagoda's two Moscow apartments and his dacha contained, besides a large collection of female clothing and apparel, 3,904 pornographic photos, 11 pornographic films, 165 pornographically carved pipes and cigarette holders, one rubber dildo, the two bullets that killed Zinoviev and Kamenev and 549 books - some of which were trotskyist works.
Clearly, since the soviets associated Nazis with degeneracy, they wanted to print accusations of ridiculousness such as this.

But most importantly, after the leadership change following Stalin's death
>Yagoda was the only defendant not to be posthumously rehabilitated.
The reason? There was nobody to rehabilitate. You can't rehabilitate a fiction.

Most likely conclusion
"Yagoda" was made up by the NKVD. He served several purposes over his fictional "existence."
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>revolution will never happen in the first wo- YAKC!


>Polls show 70% of American people support unionization
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Ethical consumption?

It has been said often that there is no ethical consumption under Capitalism. This being said, there seem to be quite a lot of boycotts regardless. Are we to interpret each and all of these boycotts as being futile attempts to reconcile a lack of ethical consumption under Capitalism? Is there reason to participate in boycotts if all consumption under Capitalism is unethical anyway?

Is all consumption equally unethical?
Is there any meaningful difference between purchasing items like clothing or computers brand new vs. used?

I guess these are novice questions. I hope these aren't considered gauche.
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The Eternal Socdem

Been reading late 90s interviews with the former soviet top administrative functionaries, and holy shit all of them are retarded beyond belief. No wonder they crashed the ship with no survivors.

Baybakov, who was for 20 years the head of Gosplan until 1985, and before that a minister under Stalin, sacked by Khruschev from Gosplan for being against his sovnarkhoz reform, is basically a dengoid with a Stockholm syndrome because he got bullied by Kaganovich and Beria lol. Kaganovich would swear at him and call him names and Beria one time threatened to shoot him if he couldn't supply Baku's oil (Baybakov was a wartime minister of oil).
The sheer incoherence of his views is astonishing. One the one hand he defends central planning and says there was no crisis and Gorbachev fucked up everything and says how planning methodology and technology was advancing, but the constant erosion of planning discipline and widespread lobbying in CPSU by ministries, republics and other interest groups undermined these advances, makes some redpilled comments that if soviet union had hidden inflation then by the same logic capitalist countries have hidden deficit, and how the western theory of soft budgetary constraints is a product of western imagination because soviet union never just printed money, it got revenue from material economic activity, and the major battlefield for various interest groups was the limited investment budget for every plan period.
But on the other hand he is delusional that central planning and price controls can coexist with the private property, that dengism is the way to go, that mixed economy is a stable construction, and that there will be a place for Gosplan planning in this mixed economy lol even tho western social democracy begun crumbling long before the interview.
He thinks that Kosygin reform was a path to dengism and to the saving of the soviet union, but at the same time he whines about the practical results of enterprise financial self-sufficiency, how some enterprises were hoarding profits while the central government was struggling.
It's very weird, he says that all the economic problems were because of the lack of planning discipline in fulfilling the plans, but at the same time he thinks that Kosygin reform that weakened the planning discipline even more was the way to solve soviet problems lol. It's incoherent.

And he is the least retarded of the all interviewees lol. Next will be Bachurin, Baybakov's deputy at Gosplan. A complete socdem idealist in full denial who saw a full storefront in Yugoslavia once and decided that this is what a civilized society (sic) actually looks like.
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The axis of resistance is the target

This declared war has greater dimensions than Ukraine, and its goal is to qualify Russia to lead the world and to lead the axis of resistance and to rehabilitate Putin, who has a black history of seizing power, liquidating his opponents, violating the rights of the Russians, and trading power with Medvedev for decades, qualifying him to lead the axis of resistance. Which includes Iran, the Islamic resistance, the Palestinian and the Yemeni as well.. This is how the West hopes that Putin will become qualified to lead the peoples with the right judges. And to reproduce the old polarization with the Soviet Union, which was somewhat comfortable and did not threaten Israel in terms of existence as the resistance threatens Israel. If this situation indicates anything, it indicates that the real conflict exists, even if it is not visible, between Russia and the axis of resistance over the leadership of the peoples, and not between the United States and Russia. Putin is a creation of the West, not a representative of the Russian people. And now his view of Dugin has entered the line, and the goal of assassinating his daughter may be to float his Eurasian project, which is the new incubator of Israel.
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Hilo general Latinoamérica--LatAm general thread

The other thread was full.
Anything Latinoamérica related, let's unite in discussion while the CIA-funded military hasn't decide to torture us to death for the time being.
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Effort Post General /EPG/

During these hard times (when vols kill vols) I thought that it would be more than appropriate to start an /EPG/ since for months I've seen users complaining about the lack of effort posts on leftypol.

In any case…

What is an effort post, you might ask? An "effort post" is a response written by a comrade that goes beyond the level of "fuck you" and putting effort into detailing his or her position.

Please be shameless, and plug your OWN effort posts ITT.

I would recommend the userbase to actually address said effort posts in their perspective threads, and the effort-posters to shamelessly screenshoot said posts here for future generations.

I'll start:
>on Caleb Maupin's intellectual enterprise:
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What is the viability of the civil disobedience campaigns such as these garbage protests by the Young Lords in 1960s Harlem? Are there any successful more recent examples of such tactics, or have the police adapted to counter them?
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One of my more embarassing conversations with a liberal recently was when they asked me how one should prevent the degeneration of armed self-defense groups into rackets, the same way the black street gangs went. I didn't have an answer. What is the best idea of the people here?
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whats your stance on united states of europe?

EUSSR is the product of the amalgamation of the acronyms EU (European Union) and USSR (Union of Socialist Soviet Republics). Eurosceptics use the term EUSSR to connect the tyranny of the EU with the tyranny of the USSR.
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Assfuckers and Nazism

Sexual perversion and Nazism always have gone hand in hand.

In 1945 just after the war a jew, Samuel Igra, wrote Germanys National Vice
In it he noted how the homosexuals of the Nazis SA were intrinsically linked to the militaristic "bonding" of men who hated women and saw them as subhuman and only fit to rear children. In this book Samuel notes how one of the powerful reasons the Nazi's so violently turned on the jews was their abhorrence to homosexuality

Today we are witnessing the imperial core become degenerate and corrupt and the most violent nations on earth. Their sexualities to be spread "by the sword" (one can remember the "we need to bomb iraq/syria because ISIS are throwing gays off roofs")

I fully expect the West to bomb a third world country in my lifetime over "trans rights"

Under Nazi Germany this "third sex" was pronounced and became absolutely mainstream. The two leaders of the SA Ernst rohm and Edmund Heine turned the SA headquarters into a homosexual brothel at a time that the SA were considered the "spear tip of the nazi revolution"

<One American journalist even went so far as to write that every single senior SA officer was a practising homosexual.

Night of the long knives
<The vices of Captain Roehm, commander of the storm troops, with three million men under his control, were a matter of world-wide knowledge and comment. Baldur von Schirach, Reich Leader of the Youth from the time of Hitler's accession to power until 1939, was arrested by the police for perverse sexual practices and liberated on the intervention of Hitler, who soon afterwards made him leader of the Hitler Youth. Among the S.S. and S.A. group leaders and gauleiters the more outstanding criminals in this matter were Edmond Heines, S.A. group-leader at Breslau, Julius Streicher, gauleiter of the Nuremberg district, and Kube of the Frankfort-on-Oder district. Heydrich, Deputy Chief of the Gestapo, was dismissed from the Navy for immoral sexual conduct.

<Edmond Heines, the group-leader of the storm troops at Breslau, was a repulsive brute who turned the Nazi headquarters of the city into a homosexual brothel. Having 300,000 storm troopers under his command, he was in a position to terrorize the neighbourhood. He extracted money right and left, from all and sundry, under physical threats and the moral threat of blackmail. One of his favourite ruses was to have members of the youth organization indulge in unnatural practices with one another and then threaten their parents that he would denounce these youths to the police and thus expose the whole family to shame unless he received a certain consideration in the form of hush money.


>It is that all attempts at re-educating the Germans and rendering them peaceful members in a European comity of nations will be futile until their attitude towards their own womanhood is radically altered. I shall deal with these three points in the order mentioned : (1) The anti-feminist character of German sex-perversion. (2) The sadistic factor in the German method of waging war. (3) The only possible change of heart' "which can be effective in wiping out German militarism. 66

< PROFESSOR HANS Blueher, who has been accepted by the Nazis as the apostle of a new social order, declares that woman is man's deadly enemy. This anti-feminist attitude is widespread in Germany, and has been an unbroken tradition among the German militarist caste ever since those segregated male com munities, the Teutonic Knights, founded the Prussian State. It was the attitude of Frederick William, the creator of the Prussian Army and father of Frederick the Great, "If he (Frederick William) met a lady on the street," says Macauley, in his essay on Frederick the Great, "he gave her a kick and ordered her to go home and mind her brats ". Frederick the Great persistently refused to cohabit with his bride even from the day of their marriage. Hitler has taken Frederick as his model, though he has not gone through the farce of marriage, as Frederick did.

<All association with women, other than merely for the physical purpose of procreation, involves deterioration of many soldier like virtues and therefore must be avoided by at least the master class within the master race. That is the teaching of Blueher and his school.

<The founding of the State begins with the intro duction of a second pole and that pole is the male community." The Jews, he remarks, are not state-builders because they suffer from male-companionship impotency (Maennerbundschwaeche) and at the same time from a morbid enlargement of the family idea, Familienhypertrophie (p. 170, ibid.). 87
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Would the ruling class choose to destroy civilization in the final moment of crisis, facing with the alternative of the ultimate overthrow of their system? If so, what does this mean for revolutionary strategy?
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What's your current thoughts on strategies towards socialism?

From what I have gathered there's at least a guiding principle. That is that the proletariat can only come into its own through practical experience. This means that the transitional movements into socialism should treated with more interest and enthusiasm(rather than only a temporary evil). Local councils and credit unions should have control over their own capital. City capitalism instead of State capitalism. Give all workers experience and responsibility with the production and distribution of the social product.

Then transition into labor vouchers. With an empowered social body all around, there's not a need, and likely a disincentive, for any bureaucratic managers trying to leech off society. An actual withering away of the state and its old politics.

I think the left took a wrong turn somewhere that emphasized the vanguard as too much of an academic mission. Leading to a lot of the bad politics we see today, where the fight over consensus is the main struggle. If someone doesn't agree with a particular interpretation of their own economic experience then they're an enemy. Education really happens through practical hands-on experience and not (only) book reading.
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What do Twitter and Leftychan have in common?

Both of them got taken over by free speech retards. And this extreme free speech backfired and now they're dying website, of course Leftychan is dead as fuck not so much Twitter - yet…
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why do the cryptoguys do what they do ?

This is a bit tangential to socialism which strives towards materially planning an economy with cybernetics and so on, but bear with me.

Why do most crypto currencies pander to financial speculators ?
Why aren't they trying to pander to merchants, producers and service providers instead ?
Maybe even try to avoid having financial speculators ?
One would assume that at least the people who are in it for the blockchain based commerce would be trying to get their system to prioritize hosting actual trade with physical goods and services.

It looks like they are trying to do capitalism in reverse order: beginning with the financialisation-stage and then going back to material trade later.
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Hi! Will I fit in here? I'm done with leftypol's moderation shittery. They literally ban anti-(US)democrat posts by now. They have become the cancer that must be removed from the communist movement and I'm ready to participate in this necessary surgery.
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Trump is running

Does leftychan support Trump 2024? Idk there are a lot of Trump supporters here, like half of the board seems to unironically support Trump.
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Why has advertisement become such an absolute shit show? When I see ads on YouTube at this point they make little to no sense. Is capital just desperate? Is it just reaching exponentially trying to force as kuch shit down out throats? What's the deal?
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The Incel Solution: Communism

Do you ever wonder why low-status white men can go to Southeast Asia and can easily get brides compared to the United States? Because even if he's poor in America, he's relatively richer there, meanwhile women in his native country wouldn't give him the time of day because by American standards he's poor, ugly and fat. In other words, that man has been cockblocked in his own country by the rich who have brainwashed everyone. That poor bastard doesn't have millions of dollars, so he's not attractive in America.

Then /pol/yps wonder why white birthrates are declining. Or why men drop out of the dating game. They don't feel like they can live up to these impossible and disgustingly filthy bourgeois standards.

It's all part of a theme, really. A system that benefited men – and particularly white men – in the past is not benefiting them now. Worse for them, the system that white people in America built (although they weren't the only ones who built it) and based their living on is beginning to betray them, or so they feel. Even worse than that, they fear that might end in righteous revenge from the growing ranks of angry black men, angry brown men, and maybe even some angry Asian men too who have been oppressed by the same rich, white elite this whole time, leading to a white "doomsday."

Because after all, someone came to pick the cotton and do the "dirty jobs" that white plantation and business owners or their kids with their inheritances didn't want to do. Or it was fine as long as the people who came to do the jobs (sometimes against their will) "served" as nice, obedient "Uncle Toms" and "Uncle Pedros" and "Uncle Chens" who were oppressed – and still are oppressed – by the same white elite beauty standards.

But you can't expect that to last forever.

So Americans simply need to reeducate themselves. Unite. Protest against the rich. Protest against the beauty standards that the rich, white elite have used to brainwash everyone and that makes poor, ugly, fat white guys hate themselves in their own country so much that they'd rather move to Thailand or Vietnam or the Philippines so they can get married.

While we're at it, the American monopoly capitalists who have enslaved and brainwashed the oppressed masses should refund the third-world countries for the amount of money and blood they suck from them. Americans – and this goes for people in the West generally – should develop a culture of respecting male and female workers of all races. They should also try cheering on marriages between two poor black people rather than two monarchic clowns in London.

Then maybe the /pol/yps can avoid some of the negative "karma" that they've built up over all these years. Then maybe instead of white "doomsday" at the hands of the non-white people who have also been oppressed by the rich, white elites, we can unite and struggle together to build a society without racism, sexism, or class oppression – and where everyone can get married and have a family, because people won't be brainwashed into thinking the poor fat white guys are ugly anymore. They're not ugly! We refuse to accept this bourgeois lie! No longer will a high-born prince or princess be able to refuse to accept the love from an honest, dirty worker.

Some people don't like my ideas. But they can have it the nice way, or the not-so-nice way. Or they can just grow old and angry, just like the boomers, and crawl into a hole in a place they hate and die. Or they can take a leap into communism, which is the only thing that can end this revenge from angry Asian and black and brown men once and for all. It's not too late to stop the upcoming of the doomsday which Asian and African and other people are suffering now.

We have a world to win.
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Traditionalist Communism

Bros, I'm a bit confused.

On the one hand, I want a socialist society that provides for the needs of the people, makes investments into the nation, and guides the commanding heights of the economy in a planned way. A society where the collective is more important than the individual, where people strive for something higher than self-indulgence and money.

But on the other hand, I absolutely despise contemporary art, architecture, and all of the ugliness of our modern world. Every Western city is full of litter, graffiti, shit, and filth. Every new building is hideous, and nothing beautiful is ever made. Everyone lives materialist, hedonistic, selfish lives and the cult of individualism has consumed everything.

Material conditions and 40 years of neoliberalism aside, I think one of the reasons for the West's apparent decline stems from our loss of tradition. In every aspect of society, whether religion or social relations, tradition has completely broken down. Shared traditions are what binds a people together, and almost every single one has been shattered either deliberately - often by the left, or as a byproduct of capitalism.

So am I even a communist, or am I just a left-wing fascist?

In either case, the working classes seem to prefer patriotism, religion, and national traditions in some form to the Avant-garde intellectualism of the left.
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I found african /pol/ dump info you have on it here

I figured out where africans post about politics and why they're almost never active on any western imageboard find something on there bring something back
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I've made a quick sum-up of the political notes that I've collected over the last couple of months, for critique and building upon by other comrades. Feedback is highly appreciated, as while I feel I did pretty well at addressing most liberal centrist arguments, there were some I just didn't have great answers for.
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Is there any good marxist book on the french revolution that was written after the 1950s?
Seems strange to me the lack of attention to such a fundamental event that so heavily influenced all the leftist thought for the remainder of pre world war timeline. All I can really find is a Kropotkin book that was written ages ago.
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How big of a threat is India really to china in their long term future? They are sitting right on the border and look ready to fight, have nukes but they are kinda poor
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Why do so many minorities look up to this man? He operated on nothing but idpol and his divisive politics continue to divide America today.
Porky even gave him an entire holiday to celebrate idpol.
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predictions of the future

what do you see happening in the near future and how do you think it'll happen ? do you think we'll be falling into reaction or are we headed to a new era one of socialism and liberation ?
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Why the hell do so many leftists live in the past?

Magacommunist haz fags I can understand at least they have a plan. There's debate on the board about who is right in the current moment to vote for (if any) in US politics but I don't understand how people see things through the exact same lense as socialists in the Soviet union. This is the modern world with its own set of historical and economic obstacles. Right now we are facing a left that is basically all but dead. Is voting for Dems or Republicans optimal? Absolutely not but supporting these parties for better or worse is a way to get our m savage to people that might otherwise still believe capitalistic propoganda about communism and socialism.

Being involved in these politics is an important part of building a socialistic base for future generations to grow off of. Stomping your feet on the ground and crying becat the current situation isn't favorable to a developed socialist organization taking the reigns is not only selfish but dare I say ultra lefitst.
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>this is what half the board actually believes in
It's over. Republicans also lost the senate you retarded Trumpists here.
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<Does he have a point?
I've never read any of his books, but from what I understand, one of his central thesis goes like this:
>People with exceptionally disordered lives, who can't even manage to keep their own personal space tidy and clean, have a 0% chance of reorganizing the world for the better.

This strikes me as true. When I was more into activism, some of the most high and mighty r-r-r-revolutionaries had exceptionally disordered lives. Some of them couldn't even operate a vacuum cleaner (literally comical to watch them try). Or, more commonly, they would leave dirty dishes that their housemates had to clean. Yet, at the same time, they honestly believed that if they had control, they would somehow make a better world. It struck me at the time as rather arrogant and somewhat detestable. This has me wondering, regardless of whatever else Peterson is saying, does he have a point about the unfounded narcissism of some people of the left, especially those who can't even manage their own lives in a semi-self sufficient and positive way. Are we really to believe that those whose own personal space is in shambles would somehow do a better job if only they had more tasks and responsibilities, despite the fact that they fail at minor personal responsibilities?

If so, what are the political implications of this? How does this relate to organizing, the vanguard, etc?
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colonialism and Post colonialism

Can you explain me why some "comrades" have an understanding of colonialism that has more to do with Gnosticism than Materialism?
Why colonialism has become the original sin ?
I often here even smart fellows end up in the rabbit hole with some spooky shit on "muh ancestors" "muh white people" "muh post colonial identity".
Why is colonialism worse than say slaves societies which non european countries had?
Every system (feudal, clan, slave ecc.) Has been imposed through conquering, war, competition, capitalism did the same. Colonialism is a consequence of capitalism.
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Oc thread

Post all your oc. I did some, I did a bit.
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What is the state of the left in the America?

After every election in the US the left feels even more dead. I get more blackpilled. Anybody willing to share their experiences organizing or anything?
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>Every few years, I think about joining the Democratic Socialists of America. And every few years, I end up leaving one of their events shaking my head in disappointment. More often than not, I end up in meetings that have nothing to do with wages, working conditions, and other issues that socialists are supposed to care about. One of the last times I gave DSA a chance, I ended up in a discussion about "Hamilton." The socialists debated whether Lin-Manuel Miranda's musical was "reactionary" or "liberatory." It felt like an Introduction to Cultural Studies course rather than an activist meeting. My impression was compounded by the fact that I was surrounded by college students. Personally, I would rather spend my time knocking on doors and talking to voters than discussing whether a theatrical production is progressive or not. I certainly have no interest in trying to cancel one that's not.

>But some members of the DSA have different priorities. Last week, members of the Madison, Wisconsin chapter demanded that a comedy club cancel Louis C.K.'s upcoming performances. Back in 2017, C.K. admitted to sexual misconduct with five women. Four years later, these socialists believe he has no right to step back on stage. As they put it, "In addition to joking about his own abusive behavior, Louis C.K. has long gotten a pass for tasteless jokes about the Holocaust, disabilities, and transgender people. As socialist feminists, we stand strongly opposed to platforming abusers, and we believe Louis C.K. must be held accountable for his abuse and oppressive rhetoric."

>But the uproar over Louis C.K. was just the latest example of DSA members trying to cancel public events. Last year, the New York City chapter invited Adolph Reed Jr. to speak. Reed is an African American socialist who has been an activist for decades, who argues that socialists should focus less on racial disparities because this emphasis undermines multiracial organizing. It was a step too far for the DSA, somehow, and an uproar ensued, leading to the cancelation of the event. Cornel West, another African American socialist and fellow Ivy League professor, lambasted the decision. "If you give up discussion, your movement moves toward narrowness," he blasted the DSA in the New York Times….

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Midterms in the US

Why is there no thread for this? Republicans are looking to take the house and Senate. Crazy times are ahead let's have a general about this.
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>no western imperialism since 1947
How many western "socialists"actually believe this? Pic related is from the Suez crisis of 1956, many many other imperialist wars like fucking Korea and Vietnam.
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CPUSA outreach media looks like a zoom call between people languishing away in an assisted living facility
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Am I the only one who never found the magacommunism meme funny? There are still people trying to push it here or something, and it just bores me.
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The Plutocrats: The New Ruling Class of Obsolescent Capitalism

The logic of accumulation lies in the growing concentration and centralization of control over capital. Formal ownership can be spread out (as in the “owners” of shares in pension plans), whereas the management of this property is controlled by financial capital.

We have reached a level of centralization in capital’s power of domination, such that the bourgeoisie’s forms of existence and organization as known up to now have been completely transformed. The bourgeoisie was initially formed from stable bourgeois families. From one generation to the next, the heirs carried on the specialized activities of their companies. The bourgeoisie was built and built itself over the long run. This stability encouraged confidence in “bourgeois values” and promoted their influence throughout the entire society. To a large extent, the bourgeoisie as dominant class was accepted as such. Its access to the privileges of comfort and wealth seemed deserved in return for the services they rendered. It also seemed mainly national in orientation, sensitive to national interests, whatever the ambiguities and limitations of this manipulated concept might have been. The new ruling class abruptly breaks with this tradition. Some describe the transformation in question as the development of active shareholders (sometimes even characterized as populist shareholders) fully reestablishing property rights. This laudatory and misleading characterization legitimizes the change and fails to recognize that the major aspect of the transformation involves the degree of concentration in control of capital and the accompanying centralization of power. The new ruling class is no longer counted in the tens of thousands or even millions, as was the case with the older bourgeoisie. Moreover, a large proportion of the new bourgeoisie is made up of newcomers who emerged more by the success of their financial operations (particularly in the stock market) than by their contribution to the technological breakthroughs of our era. Their ultrarapid rise is in stark contrast with their predecessors, whose rise took place over numerous decades.

The centralization of power, even more marked than the concentration of capital, reinforces the interpenetration of economic and political power. The “traditional” ideology of capitalism placed the emphasis on the virtues of property in general, particularly small property—in reality medium or medium-large property—considered to purvey technological and social progress through its stability. In opposition to that, the new ideology heaps praise on the “winners” and despises the “losers” without any other consideration. The “winner” here is almost always right, even when the means used are borderline illegal, if they are not patently so, and in any case they ignore commonly accepted moral values.

Contemporary capitalism has become crony capitalism through the force of the logic of accumulation. The English term crony capitalism should not be reserved only for the “underdeveloped and corrupt” forms of Southeast Asia and Latin America that the “economists” (the sincere and convinced believers in the virtues of liberalism) denounced earlier. It now applies to capitalism in the contemporary United States and Europe. This ruling class’ current behavior is quite close to that of the mafia, even if the comparison appears to be insulting and extreme.

The political system of contemporary capitalism is now plutocratic. This plutocracy adapts itself to the practice of representative democracy, which has become “low-intensity democracy.” You are free to vote for whomever you want, which is of no importance since it is the market and not the Congress or Parliament that decides everything. A plutocracy also adapts itself elsewhere to autocratic forms of management or electoral forces.

These changes have altered the status of the middle classes and their mode of integration into the global system. These classes are now mainly formed of wage-earners and no longer of small commodity producers as before. This transformation manifests as a crisis of the middle classes, marked by a growing differentiation: the privileged (high salaries) have become the direct agents of the dominant oligopolistic class, while the others are pauperized.

>Taken from:

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>China’s bespectacled, studious ideology tsar Wang Huning could rise further after the Communist Party’s five-yearly leadership reshuffle, sources say.
With party chief Xi Jinping set to shake up the top team for his unprecedented third term, Wang, the soft-speaking former academic, is tipped to stay and transition to the new leadership.
>This would make him a rare veteran in Xi’s new core team as the president brings in fresh blood for his rule for the next five years and beyond.
>Wang, the fifth-ranking party official and the first secretary of the secretariat responsible for the day-to-day operation of party affairs, is now tipped to head the National People’s Congress (NPC), China’s legislature.

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It's been an open secret that China games it GDP numbers with over valued Real Estate projects so it seems plausible to me.
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I don't feel so well, ziggas

So Prigozhin get out from prison in 1990 and start "selling hot dogs". Now he and his guys are among the most powerful people in Russia.
Remember also that rumor about Putin.
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>Tucker Carlson trip to Hungary to promote its populist leader took an awkward turn when a transcript of his interview was censored by the Hungarian government.

>Carlson spent the week filming his Fox News show from Budapest, where he interviewed Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, toured a border fence built to keep out migrants, and spoke at an event funded by the Orban government.

>The Fox News host also touted Hungary, under Orban’s illiberal rule, as a “freer” place than the United States.

>Carlson’s characterization of Hungary and its ruler was put to the test on Friday when all mention of Chinese leader Xi Jinping was scrubbed from a transcript of the Carlson-Orban interview that was sent to reporters.

>During the interview, Carlson lamented to Orban that U.S. President Joe Biden has never referred to Xi as a “totalitarian thug” despite the fact that he has “murdered many of his political opponents.”

>New York Times reporter Benjamin Novak noticed that Carlson’s criticism of Xi was cut from a transcript sent to reporters by Hungarian officials.

>Politico Europe’s Playbook newsletter reported that after Novak’s tweet, officials sent out a full transcript of the interview.

>Orban has pushed Hungary towards closer ties with China, seeking out loans from Beijing for projects including a railway to Belgrade and a campus of a Shanghai university in Budapest. In recent months, Hungary twice blocked an EU statement condemning China’s crackdown on democracy in Hong Kong.

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I just discovered this guys, isn't it true?

btw This is my greatest theoretical advance,
rate it
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Lula has won Brazil

in a stunning turn of events lula has returned from his stent in jail and won the election. What's your thoughts chads? I think Bolsanaro is going to go the same route trump did except we could potentially see an actual coup because, you know, it's fucking Brazil


At any rate, cheers to the Brazil fags.
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I believe Kanye West should become a drag queen and Candance Owenes should become a drag king, and they should prance about on the White House Lawn like a troupe of 1890s sideshow minstrels. Now I'd vote for that. I don't wanna vote for any more of this white boy shit. I know Byedon's a Catholic. I never met any nyuqqah who was loyal to the Pope. With a whitey Catholic boy, you can never trust. Be a Protestant and a drag queen, and you've got my vote.
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Jerusalem Holiday?

Can a leftist visit Jerusalem on holiday with being occupied and all that? And if not what is an alternative city that is equally as historic and interesting? Some place like Amman, Jordan or Beirut Lebanon?
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Internal decay of imperialism general /idig/

In my estimation, western imperialism in an advanced stage of internal decay. It will soon collapse entirely. However, without an actual liberatory alternative, this won't be a good thing.
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Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone

“What It Felt Like to Live Through The Collapse of Communism and Democracy”

Has anyone from /leftypol/ seen this new documentary series by Adam Curtis? Thoughts?
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>Williams obtained a charter from the National Rifle Association and set up a rifle club to defend Black people in Monroe from Ku Klux Klan or other attackers. The local chapter of the NAACP supported Freedom Riders who traveled to Monroe in the summer of 1961 in a test of integrating interstate buses. In August 1961 he and his wife left the United States for several years to avoid kidnapping charges after a white couple got lost in the black part of town in Monroe. The local police and the FBI allegedly convinced the couple to say Williams had kidnapped them, and the FBI put out a warrant for his arrest, causing him to flee to Cuba, and, later, the People's Republic of China. These charges were dropped by the state when his trial opened in 1975 following his return in 1970.
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magacommunism is the real defeatism

Notice how these magacommunism types call leftists "out of touch" and "losers" for not piggy backing a fucking capitalist political movement. Yet they never rebuke any criticism and they always turn out to be the weakest trolls, it's cause they know magacommunism cannot be defended by leftists. MAGA and Trump is deeply anti-leftist in every way, do these people really think they are in the right or even they represent the future of leftism and anti-capitalism? MAGA is fundamentally capitalist and anti-working class, Trump voters cheer on the billionaires the exploiters and our overlords. These aren't people you can preach like a religious nut to, they don't care, socialism and communism is there boogeyman. That's not even to mention Trump is a racist, aggressively anti-immigrant, and misogynistic asshole, and he doesn't even have the support of the most downtrodden working class person. That is what magacommunism is for, they encourage these people and try and preach to them, they want to be led by capitalists. IF you think leftists need to be suck up to MAGA to try and spread leftist thought in America, you are the real defeatist, the real fed.
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The state with wither aw--ACK!

From wiki:

Djilas was widely regarded as Tito's possible successor and in 1953 he was about to be chosen as President of Yugoslavia. He became President of the Federal People's Assembly of Yugoslavia, but he only held office from 25 December 1953 to 16 January 1954. Between October 1953 and January 1954, he wrote 19 articles (only 18 were published) for Borba, the official newspaper of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia, wherein, encouraged by Tito, he developed the Yugoslav critique of over-bureaucratic Stalinism in the Soviet Union, in favour of a shift away from central planning towards more economic autonomy.

His advocacy of greater democratic input into decision-making led him eventually to argue against the one-party state itself, suggesting a relaxation of party discipline, and the retirement of the state officials he saw as profiteering from their position and blocking the road to further reform.[21] At that point, Tito and other leading Yugoslav communists saw Djilas' arguments as a threat to their leadership.[22] In January 1954. Djilas was expelled from the Central Committee of the party, of which he had been a member since 1937, and dismissed from all political functions for his criticism.

From chapter 3:

>Everything happened differently in the U.S.S.R. and other Communist countries from what the leaders–even such prominent ones as Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and Bukharin–anticipated. They expected that the state would rapidly wither away, that democracy would be strengthened. The reverse happened. They expected a rapid improvement in the standard of living–there has been scarcely any change in this respect and, in the subjugated East European countries, the standard has even declined. In every instances, the standard of living has failed to rise in proportion to the rate of industrialization, which was much more rapid. It was believed that the differences between cities and villages, between intellectual and physical labor, would slowly disappear; instead these differences have increased…

>The once live, compact party, full of initiative, is disappearing to become transformed into the traditional oligarchy of the new class, irresistibly drawing into its ranks those who aspire to join the new class and repressing those who have any ideals.
>Discrepancies between the pay of workers and party functionaries are extreme…
>..in Communism, power or politics as a profession is the ideal of those who have the desire or the prospect of living as parasites at the expense of others.
>Marx died a poor emigrant in London, but was valued by learned men and valued in the movement; Lenin died as the leader of one of the greatest revolutions, but died as a dictator about whom a cult had already begun to form; when Stalin died, he had already transformed himself into a god.
>The Soviet Thermidor of Stalin had not only led to the installation of a government more despotic than the previous one, but also to the installation of a class.
>Lenin's revolutionary Communism was replaced by Stalin's dogmatic communism, which in turn was replaced by non-dogmatic Communism, a so-called collective leadership or a group of oligarchs
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Seizing the keys of production

Given the importance of computer technology in the modern, how can we better reach out to techbros, since gaining control of the technological infrastructure of the modern economy will obviously be important in any modern revolution.
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How to stay irrelevant

>Purity spiraling

Purity spiraling involves creating a moral hierarchy in one's mind and placing oneself at the top. It becomes a problem when 'one's opinion' is thought to be the defining quality that supercedes all others. It's miserable and ghey and brings out the most toxic manipulators who nonetheless honestly believe their own bullshit. R/communism and leftypol are clear examples of this.

By arguing with eachother over who's the better person because of (checks notes) opinions about (checks notes) 30+ year old history and far away conflicts [or more comically, calling virtually all of the left 'outright fascists'], we'll stay in a purity spiral and never impact history.

>Long live leftychan
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Schiller Institute Conference thread

This started a while ago but it’s on YouTube. Jackson Hinkle has already talked and a bunch of other e-celebs including Haz and one of the guys who recently heckled noted hitlerite AOC.

A guy from the DKP (German Communist Party) which is ran by a guy who was friends with the last leader of the GDR will also be speaking.
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Civic planning general

Itt we discuss socialist and capitalist civic planning.

What ways could future socialist civic planning create better lifestyles and communities, help mitigate the effects of climate change, etc, and how is capitalist civic planning soul crushing?
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Basedman disrupts AOC town hall, calls her out for voting to fund proxy war against Russia and stoking the potential of nuclear war.

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What aspects of social life do you think would change after the revolution in your country. I think tackling the reconstruction of social life after the revolution will be vital to success of the working class. Like for example in America will Halloween still exist afterwards? The working class is subjected to a month long advertisement campaign by massive capitalist candy corporations. Mars, Ferrero, Mondelez ect… This would not be the same after capitalism.
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Anti-NATO protests in EU

MSM blackout, ofc


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Increasing number of glowies running as democrats


The same organizations which specialize in running glowops and rigging elections abroad are now trying to enter congress under the Democratic Party umbrella.

More evidence in support of #magacommunism?
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How do people confuse this man's ideas as being anti communist or some how that communists are some slave moralists at all like Christians or some shit? It doesn't make sense. Slave morality is driven by the false belief that one is free from the vengeful nature of the ruling class (in his class Christianity) and that they are above it and the actions of their rulers.

Communism doesn't trick anyone who follows Marxist ideology into believing they should "turn the other cheek" ok the contrary it tells people to pick up the gun in their own self interest and become the masters of their own destiny.

So how did the wires get crossed in the first place? Are lolberts who think commies are slave moralists just brainwashed? Are they the real slave moralists after all? I mean think of their ideology. It's all predicated on the fact that they maybe might one day get the boot.

Mfw lolberts are the concept of slave morality, lol.
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Lenin and fascism

Fascism, in the Leninist sense, isn't an ideological constellation, as liberals of all stripes seem to believe, but is rather qualified by the actual relation to class structure and oligarchy.

In that vein, it is apologists and cheerleaders of today's oligarchal power, not Trump supporters, who are the true fascists.

This of course, begs they question, what/who are the oligarchs and what institutions do they rule through. If we are honest, this shouldn't be a hard question to answer. They are, naturally the ruling institutions which dominate the current social and political sphere on the national and international level as a front to their economic rule.

It is one's relationship to preserving these institutions which determines if they are a 'fascist.'
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Wtf was this wave of New World populism? I can find many parallels between Huey Long, Perón and Getulio Vargas. They were all anti-communist but progressive and pro-social reform. People either loved or hated them and no one can agree on what they stood for.

Suffice to say they were influenced by the changes going on in Europe at the time (fascism and stalinism) with the difference they didn't have an existential communist threat so I think that played a role.

Were they Fourth Position or some shit?
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Ukraine Invasion Tread 4.0

Discuss the invasion of Ukraine by Russia in this thread. Including tangential topics like the Nordstream 2 explosion.
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Spaghetti elections general - facsist gesturing and actual issues edition

After headlines poured in about the 'far right' victory in Italy, I decided to do some digging.

Given that the media lies so much, I decided I shouldn't trust the 'far right' label thrown around by the walking SSRI addicted biomass globs known as journalists. Instead, I decided to try and figure what the Brothers of Italy's policies are. Here's where they stand on various issues according to:


I've judged each stance as based or cringe based on my own subjective opinion. Feel free to do the same yourself.

(These are all described by the aforementioned website as being the positions of the party's support base. It's very hard to find any media outlet to cite the party's platform on many issue. they're more concerned with repeating buzzwords like 'far right' ad nauseam while patting themselves on the backs for being 'serious journalists.')

Require employers to pay men and women the same for the same job - support (based)

Increasing environmental regulations to cut CO2 emissions - support (based)

State endorsed euthanasia - oppose (based)

Same sex marriage - oppose (don't care)

Adoption for gay couples - oppose (based)

Should Italy quit the EU - oppose (cringe but no real other option)

Death penalty - support (based)

Govt allowed to monitor electronic communication - oppose (based)

Tax incentives to keep businesses afloat - support (based, what do you think a SEZ in China is)

Require businesses to have female board members - oppose (based/who cares)

Raise minimum wage - support (based)

Gender reassignment surgeries for minors - opposed (based)

Quotas to limit the number of foreign migrants in the EU - support (based)

More privatization of healthcare - oppose (based)

Compulsory military service - support (kinda based tbh)

United States of Europe - oppose (based)

Term limits for MPs - support (based)

Ban disposable non biodegradable materials - support (based)

Instigate a war with Russia over Ukraine - oppose (literally don't care/lean based)

Vaccine passports - support (mega cringe)

While hardly ideal, this party seems leagues ahead of cadaver-looking eurofag bureaucrats who represent global oligarchal interests while waving a rainbow flag.

There you have it - the super scary 'neo facsists' that mediafags keep warning you about.

>Inb4: seething from people who equate 'left' with having a hormone imbalance

A strong, united working class is a prerequisite for further drives toward socialism. None of the policies
of Brothers of Italy are to the right of the Chinese Communist Party.
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Russian Communist Party Manifesto Released:

Here is the party programme of the KPRF

>Stop the extinction of the country, restore benefits for large families, reconstruct the network of public kindergartens and provide housing for young families.

>Ban on abortion and contraception for ethnic Russians.
>Recognise ethnic Russians as founders of the state
>Nationalise natural resources in Russia and the strategic sectors of the economy; revenues in these industries are to be used in the interests of all citizens.
>Return to Russia from foreign banks the state financial reserves and use them for economic and social development.
>Break the system of total fraud in the elections.
>Create a truly independent judiciary.
>Carry out an immediate package of measures to combat poverty and introduce price controls on essential goods.
>Not raise the retirement age.
>Restore government responsibility for housing and utilities, establish fees for municipal services in an amount not more than 10% of family income, stop the eviction of people to the streets and expand public housing.
>Increase funding for science and scientists to provide decent wages and all the necessary research.
>Restore the highest standards of universal and free secondary and higher education that existed during the Soviet era.
>Ensure the availability and quality of health care.
>Vigorously develop high-tech manufacturing.
>Ensure the food and environmental security of the country and support the large collective farms for the production and processing of agricultural products.
>Prioritise domestic debt over foreign debt
>Bring former Soviet countries back under a new USSR.
>Support Communist parties abroad which pursue a Stalinist line.

>Introduce progressive taxation; low-income citizens will be exempt from paying taxes.

>Create conditions for development of small and medium enterprises.
>Ensure the accessibility of cultural goods, stop the commercialisation of culture, defend Russian culture as the foundation of the spiritual unity of multinational Russia, the national culture of all citizens of the country.
>Stop the slandering of the Russian and Soviet history.
>Take drastic measures to suppress corruption and crime. Restore the political crimes commission to enact justice on corrupt officials

>Strengthen national defense and expand social guarantees to servicemen and law enforcement officials.

>Ensure the territorial integrity of Russia and the protection of compatriots abroad.
>Institute a foreign policy based on mutual respect of countries and peoples to facilitate the voluntary restoration of the Union of States.
>Illegalise homosexuality and restore it as a mental illness in medical practice.
>Illegalise transgenderism.
>Increase the punishment for pushing LGBT ideology to 20 years in prison.
>Maintain a policy of party atheism while supporting the Russian Orthodox church as a cultural bulwark in Russia.
>Form a new Warsaw Pact with China, North Korea, Syria, Vietnam and other Socialist nations

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What do you guys think of elite over production theory?

If you've never heard of it, it goes a bit like this:

Social unrest occurs during a period of economic stagnation following a period of economic growth. In this juncture, a coming-of-age generation achieved an education and expected to join the ranks of the elite or upper middle class. When reality hits them in the face, they encounter economic hardship, and their hopes fail to materialize, they turn to radical left wing politics. But, in effect, they seek to take out the old elite in order to make room for themselves.

A much more detailed summary can be found here:


To me, it seems plausible. Interestingly, it also comports with the theory of the causal factors of revolution laid out by John Foran in 'Taking Power' (which you should read if you don't want to be a psued all your life).

<Tldr: a bunch of reasonably smart and creative people develop their minds but have no outlet through which to socially/economically succeed with it. As a response, they turn to leftist politics and hope to 'overthrown heaven,' to make use of a Chinese term.

Pic related is Chou En Lai

>Like many others, the economic fortunes of Zhou's large family of scholar-officials were decimated by a great economic recession that China suffered in the late 19th century…

>According to Zhou's own account, he was very close to his adoptive mother and acquired his lasting interest in Chinese literature and opera from her. Madame Chen taught Zhou to read and write at an early age, and Zhou later claimed to have read the famous vernacular novel Journey to the West at the age of six.[8] By the age of eight, he was reading other traditional Chinese novels

Many such cases
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On the resilience of capitalism

Saying that capitalism is unstable is a cope. If anything, it's proven itself to be especially adaptive to social pressure, able to coopt and leverage social movements against socialism. It won the cold war and forced AES to concede in one way or another. Part of this, I presume, has to do with the financialize of the economy. Production, in essence, has taken a back seat of circulation. This has put workers on the backfoot when it comes to organizing. A recent article by Compact Magazine does a good job of laying out the case for the stability of capitalism. However, I also have misgivings about this line of thought, which I'll detail later in the comments:

>for the first half century or so after Marx’s death in 1883, the emphasis on instability seemed to be amply borne out. From the 1890s to the 1930s, not only did the system seem to be teetering on collapse, but the very contours of social conflict appeared to amply vindicate Marx’s expectations—it was the emerging industrial proletariat that was at the helm of the revolutionary outbreaks across the capitalist world…

>Classical Marxists and the postwar left were both wrong in their belief that capitalism was stabilized by something outside the class structure. The real source of social order in capitalism—of its stable reproduction over time—isn’t culture or ideology; it is the class structure itself. The structure ensures that individuals within the working class choose individualized forms of resistance over collective ones. They do so not because they fail to recognize their interests, as theories of false consciousness or cultural hegemony would have it. Both of these approaches insisted that workers in some way failed to understand their immediate material interests. Actually, it is because workers accurately perceive the risks and costs associated with collective action. Hence, they typically opt for individualized forms of advancement over collective ones. But to opt for an individualized strategy is nothing other than to accept the dominant position of the employer—and of capitalists as a class. It leaves unchallenged the employer’s structural power over the worker and seeks simply to maximize the worker’s welfare within the latter’s parameters. It is a tacit acceptance of the rules of the game, rather than an effort to transform or even challenge them…

>Institutions enabling working-class formation aren’t naturally occurring. They are hard to build, and the project of sustaining them as effective fighting organizations is even harder, which means they are highly vulnerable to destruction. Mistakes are therefore very costly—a badly timed strike can destroy a union, a corrupt leadership can demoralize the members, even the death of a leader can send an organization into decline. And the resulting losses can make the entire enterprise appear to be a Sisyphean undertaking. In sum, capitalism places the burden of class formation entirely on the shoulders of the working class. And this is why the process is highly contingent.

>Employers, on the other hand, have less need to generate their own class organizations, because their interests are preserved simply by the reproduction of the employment relation. The contrast with the conditions faced by labor is very stark. Capitalists don’t have to organize themselves in order to advance their interests. Since the class structure places every employer in a position of dominance over his employees, collective action is unnecessary to secure an advantage over the latter. As long as workers show up to work every day, as long as they submit to the terms of the employment contract, they also serve to advance the capitalist’s economic interests. This is the basic asymmetry between the two classes.

>Precisely because of this structural asymmetry, how the classes utilize their political agency is also very different. For laborers, any advance of their interests depends on building up and then sustaining institutions that enable collective action. The working class has to direct its political agency toward creating political organizations and defending them. But relative to labor, capital is relieved of this burden. Employers do benefit from creating class organizations of their own to coordinate their activities against labor. But this is not a precondition to their sustaining their position, much less advancing it. Their greater power is built into the class structure itself.

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Ukraine 2.0

Last Ukraine thread is full. Why don't we have a new one to stay out of other threads?

At the time of posting this, Ukraine's "methodical counteroffensive" in the Kherson Oblast has started. Where do you think this is headed, anon?

Let the debates begin!
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>The "tax" for keeping the Second Amendment just increased by 14 kids and 1 adult.
>But, hey, it wasn't anyone you knew so what difference does it make, amirite?

Are we ready to ban the guns yet? Go ahead… I'm ready for the "thoughts and prayers" guntard playbook.
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Alexander Dugin's daughter killed in car bombing

It's now been confirmed that Darya Dugina, daughter of Russian political philosopher Alexander Dugin, has been assassinated in a car bombing in Moscow Oblast. Her father was supposed to be in the car, indicating that he was the target of the attack.

This has literally just happened and I will try to post updated news when I see it.
Link to the RWA twitter thread:
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The Russia and Ukraine war is just the next Israel/Palestine really. What I mean is for the working class especially in foreign countries this conversation on who to support Russia or Ukraine is bullshit. How could the working class decide to support one or the other? Well in truth it is not for the working class to to support or choose nations, fascism, democracy, or any other political form; how could this opposition organize itself? In fact how the hell could the Ukrainian proletariat oppose Russia? Or the proletariat of the West oppose NATO? The working class is in fact not a political body at all, they cannot make final judgement on these issues.
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The correct side is the side against Nazis in Ukraine

I think the conflict between Russia, Ukraine and the United States is going to turn into another Syria-esk conflict that divides the left pretty heavily. I want to be clear, the correct stance to take a stance against Ukraine and it's NATO alliance with the united states.

I don't necessarily care if you support Russia or don't support Russia. Russia is basically a theocratic totalitarian state at this point but when NATO was created in the late 80's an agreement of not moving "one inch to the east" was part of the compromise between the USA and the USSR. Since then how many other eastern bloc countries have joined NATO? It's plain and simple Ukraine joining NATO is an obvious act of aggression by the United States. Further more the Ukrainian military are basically ethno nationalists at this point. The military is infected with em.

Hands off Ukraine!
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"Eat the Rich" ?

After the meal, what is to be done to prevent new Rich from growing in their place right away?

Is there a strategy that involves eating the systems of the Rich, so as to prevent the cyclical occurrence of eating every few years?
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Gorbachev dead at 91.
The former Soviet leader has died.

>Pizza hut leaves Russian Federation

>Gorbachev does


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>Three Mass Shootings in America during one weekend
>New York State
>Republicans will defend all of this… Somehow.

Out of curiosity, how many mass shootings have there been in all of Western Europe over the weekend? Or this month? Or for the entire year, for that matter? Any guesses?

It's time to ban the guns. I know. Radical concept.
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/Internet Trash General/
Use for discussion on twitter, e-celebs, internet happenings, and other related internet trash
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Lifestylism is a major problem in the American Left. It encourages purity spirals and alienates tentative supporters. Shitting and pissing because a leftist is economically successful feeds into the liberal argument that socialists are all just loser burnouts bitter at the world. Stop it.
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Can I get a redpill on this fella? I don't know how to wade through the propaganda and get a clear picture of him. Was he just a pure fabricator? A useful idiot for Western imperial ambitions?
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>Trump's Home has been raided by the Fed's and the Right is on suicide watch.
Where were you when Civil War II Electric Boogaloo was canceled?
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Ukraine's Thread, for fuck's sake
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Is this shit even worth talking about?
Some retard shot up an FBI feild office in Connecticut. Probably some maga retard who thinks he's fighting a revolution. What is the deal with these people?
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"Just" War and Warfare Against Capitalist States

Was gonna make this thread on that other site but got smacked with an insane bullshit ban for hurting a janny's feelings, so let's see if we can get an interesting discussion here instead. Since the end of the Thirty Years' War and the Peace of Westphalia, Western warfare had been conducted through rules of engagement excluding the targeting of civilians. Sherman's March to the Sea was an early exception, and the Japanese civilian bombings in China in the early 1930s seemed to shock many Western powers at the time. However, it wasn't until World War II when the major powers threw this idea completely out the window and began targeting civilians in mass with the justification that long-range aerial bombardment can theoretically quickly bring a conflict to an end where previous conventional wars had been bogged down. Modern military power is such that most belligerents can reduce the others' cities to rubble or kill each others' populations indirectly through the targeting of infrastructure if they choose to.

Let's say the workers in a country have just won a revolution against their own capitalists and they now find themselves at war with other capitalist powers. Is there any room left for restraint among anti-capitalists when it comes to targeting noncombatants in the 21st century? Can or should anti-capitalists engage in "just" warfare when fighting for their existence?
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We're completely fucked

The FED just popped the biggest bubble in the history of man kind and we are about to experience one of the most dramatic down turns in history.

The question is what are YOU doing in order to take control of history and lead the prolotariate out of this endless market anarchy?

Look at this:

subprime loans are begging to default

This is the same kind of predetory borrowing that we saw in the 2008 financial crisis and these people, forced to choose between debt and good in the face of infaltion, obviously are choosing food.

Fanne Mae expects economic contraction in the housing market.


Not only are subprime loans defaulting, but, the housing market bubble is finally about to crash; At historic highs the housing market bubble is about to crash and, of course, the poorest people are the only ones who are going to loose to this and massive monopolies like blackrock are going to get much richer.

Food Shortages are about to occur

Ukraine and Russia are just the tip of the ice burg. Ukraine and Russia are responsible for a not so insignificant portion of the worlds exports of grains and if you haven't noticed sanctions on Russia and war against Ukraine are making global wheat supplies dry up.


India has started Closing off to the global economy and egypt has as well and many other countries are about to follow as this becomes a cascading effect where each country is looking out for its own.

African nations are literally about to straight up starve. The sitution is extremely dire.

Economics say it could be 3 - 4 years before we bounce back, but, nowing the truth I think we are about to enter a straight up great depression the likes of which we have never seen and will not even remotely bounce back till 2030. As we all know this is because of the greater over arching system of capital and its mad dash for profits, but, the fed raising interest rates after lowering them in covid might have just done the trick.

Prepare for dark days ahead.

More reading:



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Observers seem totally lost regarding the latest developments. They cannot put the pieces together and they jump from one place to another not knowing where to head or where to reach. Some observers are completely lost . One analyst today said that the US is unable to overcome Russia, and therefore it hopes to push Russia into China’s arms and after that it would be easy to deal with China because the US will deal with it the same way it dealt with the USSR, and will cause its collapse . This is close to delirium and is just to give you an idea about how people are looking at things . Certainly , the situation is complicated and what makes it more complicated is that no one is looking at facts or is giving a good reading of what is happening , and they are either linked to a certain agenda or starting from a wrong assumption . No one wants to understand the reality about the war on Ukraine and they want to see in it a righteous cause or a Russian self defense initiative while it is something totally different and is a conspiracy on Ukraine and on Russia and on the world security and stability , and will cause penury and food shortages. What we are witnessing is the next chapter after the Covid 19 conspiracy that has struck all societies and undermined them socially , financially and economically. But the tendency is to see in this a Russian cause at the time the NATO missiles were not even deployed and Ukraine is Not a NATO member and has difficulties joining the EU even . And this will lead to partitioning Ukraine and displacing the people and sanctioning Russia only to find new markets for the israeli gas in Europe . No one wants to investigate Putin’s past to find out who Putin is, for how to invest in someone who has starved his own people by stealing the money reaped from exchanging foods in return of minerals ? The media now is demonizing Putin – they say- but this not true because no one is casting a light on his past and this recent demonization is to remain for consumption and will never reveal who Putin is . As for the alignment USA+Gulf Countries+israel it was outshined by the spectacular Iran+Russia +Turkey alignment after Turkey has been promoting its relations with israel and the gulf countries and when Russia is still coordinating with israel the raids over Syria that have multiplied lately . And they say that this is a strategic alliance between the 3 and many are buying this, keeping in mind that withholding Turkey from annexing more Syrian territories was costly on Iran and sounded like a victory while Turkey is occupying large portions of Syria still and is not carrying on the Sochi agreements . In comparison, the Riyad alignment seemed dim and this is intentional, and bin Salman who has been granted a small victory by his US sponsor seems over secured and will not deliver the full amount of required oil because simply the ceiling of productivity has been reached and cannot be transgressed . These are small insignificant victories reached on both sides . They are only a waste of time and a further blurring of the situation but everyone seems satisfied except those who really are seeking truth and looking for answers .
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Hostage to Putin, cynically exploited by Biden

Free Brittney Griner!
>The basketball star is an innocent victim of the reactionary conflict between US imperialism and the Putin regime in Moscow.

The USSR and the USA used to trade captured spies, which each considered an asset. The haggling was done quietly and behind closed doors. Now, the US and Russia - and others - frame and use just about anyone as a bargaining chip for geopolitics.

In this case, obviously politics is overriding justice. Ms. Griner's medical records and doctor's prescription are evidence of medical necessity. She was not using hard drugs for recreation or entertainment. She should have never been arrested or imprisoned. Putin's regime is opportunistic as are others.

In a capitalist dominated world, everyone is treated as a commodity and disposable (at minimum expandable). Worse, even entire countries are being used as proxies, such as Ukraine and Taiwan, not just ordinary citizens. Millions of human beings suffer as a result of geopolitics.
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Was the internet good or bad for radical leftists and pro-revolutionarys? Before the internet you were say either in or out of the local groups, you disagreed with a few things, and you're kicked out, burn the heretic. This either led to people making their own group, conforming, or just abandoning theory all together, to become one of those people who called it just a "phase" now they happily vote liberal. The internet allowed these disgruntled and say vagabond, despised people to spread their books and pamphlets, now everybody interested could read what they had to say and those not possessed by the local mantra could become a follower. Everything said on here, the internet is nothing, it has no value whatsoever, irl groups had more power of course around town, but they're still as powerless as groups on the internet are.
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Leftypol is a shithole and so are 95 % of the users. Perfect example imo, is this, and the Israel vs Palestine shit, even though that is a bit different. I don't give a damn about this conflict or any conflict, or supporting the people of Ukraine, my first and foremost goal is the revolution, the destruction of capitalism. Also from what I've read there and in the Ukraine thread, their proposed anti-imperialism is just whining about US imperialism, while supporting Russia and China (both capitalist states), this is in fact entirely pro-capitalist.
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This board's users are no different from 09a cultists

You are all mentally deranged, cultists who will not succeed in your attempt to subvert healthy societies to international socialism, there is nothing good here. Your administration support a virtue signalling cult where dissent is not allowed, you do not have free thought. A society which operates under your principles and rule will inevitable collapse. There is no hope in leftist or any other politics which attempts to subvert the raw, tribal society.
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socialism is giving resources to wrong people, and not giving them to good people

i hate socialism –karl marx
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/brg/ Brasil General /brg/

Tanks in Brasilia edition

Last one got full

Bolsonaro calls a review of troops to intimidate congress in the day of the printed ballots amendments is to be voted
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I think I found the only* (matriarhal) comunist society in the animal kingdom

BEES are the only* (dunno for sure) purely matriarhal communist society in the animal kingdom.

A deep analisys of how they interact with eachoter, how to act, what they believe, what they decide and what they like is the same between all types of bees, be them male or female

All the types of bees:
Male worker bees
Female worker bees
Qween (worker) bee

The Male worker bees are the Male counterpart of the Female worker bees, but the differences between the Males and the Females are:
-Males are fully sexually developed (they can reproduce and shiet)
-Males are bigger and stronger = get more resources = consume more
-Males have a different way of flying (they "levitate" above the ground, keeping an altmost perfect height above it, like in those superconductor videos; when they land, it's like a crash landing, or like a monkey when he jumps from tree to tree but he's about to fall because he's very close to not getting a good grip), which still bamboozeles scientists (Area51 already figured it out, that's from eye witnesses seeing different aircraft behaving like superconductors)
That's about the differences between Male and Female worker bees

The differences between Female and Qween bees:
Qween bees are sexually matured (they can procreate)
Qween bees are harder to create (they consume ~3x more than a regular Female worker bee)
Qween bees require ~10 Male worker bees to mate effectevily (I remember this from years ago), who later die cuz their ding ding dongs got ripped ripped off
Qween bees can be made in higher numbers (more than 1-2) in case threaths are seen by any of the hive members while carrying their duties towards helping the Hive

NOTE: Hives' populations aren't greater than some town's (~30k or so | https://schoolofbees.com/how-much-does-a-beehive-weigh/)

Hives might also go against one another if they are of a different race, belief or place, them preffering to stick togheter and help only their own race to survive (homogenous "echo-chamber" society, otherwise communism wouldn't take place because there would be medium-big differences in the bees' brains, creating divisions and separation, creating new homogenous societies that follow this rule)

TL;DR: Nature shows us that Communism can be practiced ONLY when everyone in that society knows each-other arround 80% of the time (everyone would know each-other to a general idea under 50k at about 80%, the smaller it is, the higher the chances that everyone would know eachother), everyone has the same beliefs, race and place of province, making Bees matriarhal (the qween is protected more cuz she's more expensive to make, but can be replaced if the Hive thinks so) communists that are homogenous and xenophobic (more like national communists, if you think about it)
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COVID 19 - I have a doubt

> You won't reach herd immunity with pfizer
My country is over 85% vaccinated and there's still a push to get more people vacced, still restrictions, still mandates.

> Omicron is a ticket out of the pandemic

It's not deadly and getting will give you immunity to the virus. There's no reason to be worried about it.

> Pfizer doesn't reduce your chances of death

> There's no reason for young people to get the shot

Little kids don't go to the hospital for covid, that's not a thing. So why
are they being pushed to get the vaccine? Or even forced to wear masks in
schools for that matter?

> The pcr tests over-report deaths

Apparently there's no such thing as asymptomatic covid carriers.

I didn't know any of this and I have two shots of pfizer. I regret getting
it fully. I think my government (and the news) lied about everything covid related.
Vaccine safety and efficacy, fake measures, etc.

I am convinced at this point that science and medicine is on the same side as
the trucker protest in Ottawa, Canada.

It's so upsetting watching leftists both online and offline fail to realize what's going on. And what's going on is so large in scope and so devious that it makes me quite scarred. I can kind of understand why it's a tough thing to swallow but from what I've read COVID is mostly a conspiracy against workers by the rich, and what's happening is not at all backed by science or medicine but through censorship and propaganda is being allowed to happen.
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The PLA will conduct military drills in these regions around Taiwan in August 4-7

They're calling it a special "military exercising and training operation"
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pure Ideology

That's quite a normie subject, but it only makes it more concerning
So, stranger things season 4 just dropped and something caught my attention:
>Kate Bush - Running up that hill is the season main song
>This very same song was used for several of the esoteric fascist meme of "hyperborean edits"


Considering the very premises the show runs into, such as MK ultra like experiments, parallel words within our own (such as the hyperborean mith itself), all indicates that Hollywood is actively working to constitute this esoteric fascist mythos, and bringing it to the mainstream
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Are they run by FBI agents?

I have often heard it said that the FBI took over Communist Party USA back during the Cold War, and that the organization is now used as a honeypot to trap socialists. Is this true?
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Tech Fascists in the Federal government control election outcomes

They do this through communications obstruction.

They fabricate support where there is none through astroturfing and censor all dissent to give the appearance that anyone they want won.

Internet is the primary mode of communication.

ISPs can censor DNS, DNS can censor clearnet, clearnet tech companies can censor anyone using their platforms, and Tech-Fascist Feds can upload illegal content to any rival platforms to raid and capture it under the guise of enforcing the laws.

But it's the Feds themselves behind it all, since they control the kill switch, 47 USC 202. They can shut down the ISPs, DNS, and tech sites for violating 47 USC 202 and nullify 47 USC 230 at any time.

It's Tech-Fascists in the Federal government's law enforcement pulling the strings to rig elections and it doesn't matter if you're Left, Right, or anything else because the elections in the USA are totally illegitimate and have been since 1996.

The solution to this issue might just be to make state laws protecting communications from obstruction, then arresting everyone that played a role in the conspiracy to undermine the USA's democracy, including the Federal law enforcement themselves.
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is this true?
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Kek, all you honkies that shit on idpol you're about to get rekt.
Can't wait to repeat back your own talking points to you soon.
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Is this place different from leftypol.org?
I am just curious because both the places have /leftypol/ board, however, the domain name is different. Leftypol.org is a shithole so I just wanted to make sure.
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Roe vs Wade and precedent: An autistic perspective

Roe vs Wade and precedent: An autistic perspective


And yes, an autistic genocide is likely enough that we should be very conscious of it. It's especially plausible considering that climate change will reduce global food supply and stability while the world population is rising. Moreover, the propaganda from Autism Speaks, and, more broadly, the autism awareness movement, mean that in the case of genocide or mass eugenics, Autistic people will be targeted far more than anyone else.
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free assange, last change

If Assange is handed over to the US, they are going to murder him.

If he is to survive, there is a pressing need to get him released or help him escape.
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How should we best ban alcohol from society? It is clear that alcohol is harmful to personal health and the abuse of alcohol seems to be greater than the economic benefits of it's normal consumption.
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The Absolute State of Libertarians

We've been dropping truth bombs about Marxism, and there's actually a ton of people conceding about the LTV and how even Adam Smith recognized it's manifest truth and then their lack of chins always derails them into this

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Glowuyghurs be damned, I'm just not scared of you clowns anymore. Everyone should go full NEET now. Drop out of school, quit working, leech off your GF and family, church and state. Work is exactly the problem. If you're not working to dismantle work at your work (aka, not a saboteur or wobchad) just stop the fucking enabling. Make your landlord cry. Make everyone cry who just doesn't "get it". There is a terrible, demonic conspiracy that exploits your brothers and sisters. Refuse to feed it.
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This place needs a new icon for us leftychads, the .ogre transhumanists will sneed, the 100+ ABSOLUTE CHADS will bathe in high quality posts as the .ogre transhumanists will wallow in total subhumanity. Let's equip the OLD leftypol icon and disassociate with the .ogres entirely.
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Some questions about the italian mafia

Why were they glorified in the united state
Why were they criminals in the first place
Why were they so much more violent compared to modern gangs in the united states
What was their political influence and the ideas they stood for
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Brazil's President, Bolsonaro, Asked Biden for Help on Re-election


All US CPUs are backdoored by Silicon Valley. Any data or computation can be changed, deleted or stolen. It uses radio, works even without Net access, including for BR voting machines. That is why Bolsonaro decided to ask Biden and not Xi or Putin. Your CPU is compromised too.

Safe to say that Bolsonaro only was elected in 2018 because the US defrauded the election for him and now he wants a repeat.
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The Mechanica of Power ?

Anyone know of a good book on a scientific analysis of power?

I mean like the very LOGISTICS of how a poeer structure exists. Doesn't have to be government, but that's the major thing one would talk about.
Like we obviously understand a king/chief has polic3 he van order to throw someone in the dungeon, etc. but I want something really broken down with lots of technical terms and autism. Not only kings/rulers and revolutions that ocerthrow them, but even something like "the mechanics of blackmail" for instance.

Any ideas?
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Some black nationalists are within British political power

I've done some research into some local people sources and in the UK ever since the first black police officer British police have had and still have black nationalists in there ranks and some of them are using that position to push for more ethnic tensions between blacks and whites we shouldn't be encouraging this as leftists we should be fighting to fix this problem it's not about sides it's about the working class so please let us do more research on this because it happening with the whites as well within British police.
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Janitors is a psyop called cointelpro for the most part are made from synthetic fibers and the rest are all the same here in this country so we have to be able and not be afraid of what is going to be
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Why do other races buy into racial idpol so much compared to whites? Don't they understand that the world has already moved on since this race thing was relevant?
Also, share your soviet era posters/graphics depicting racial unity against capitalism. It's surprisingly hard to find on most popular image search engines.
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hello anons, do you guys think that dialectical holism is confluent with dialectical materialism? here is a link to a dissertation summarizing it:

if you want a decent summary, check out pages 299-310 of the pdf. i believe it presents a solution to the problem of consciousness that is more continuous with cybernetics than many other approaches…

<II. Metaphysical Pillars

>(1) Nominalism – This system is anti-realist about abstract structures including: (i) propositions; (ii) properties; (iii) universals; and (iv) worlds. In the case of (i), (ii), and (iii), the dialectical holist relies upon a coherence theory of knowledge (see below) that considers these terms conceptual tools that do not directly correspond to anything independent in the world. Concerning (iv), the ‘possibilities’, or counterfactual ‘worlds’ are converted into hypotheses. In all cases, a great deal of effort is exerted to distinguish between these linguistic structures and the empirical phenomena to which they refer, or from which they are derived.
>(2) Process Ontology/Dialectical Relations – What exist in nature are relatively stable, modes of organization instantiated through dialectical processes. This is to say that nothing exists intrinsically, but only as interdependent dynamical relations (i.e. mutually contingent or interdependent). While universal patterns (i.e. forms, unifying principles, or implicate orders) of respective spatiotemporal scales may be identified, they are granted no independent ontological status, but are believed to exist in and through intra-relational processes of the whole within which they obtain.
>(3) Neutral Monism – Natural evolution, just as the advance of scientific and philosophical theories, are both recapitulated as the self-differentiation of a single whole or Concrete Universal. Mind and matter are considered two modes of a single whole that is not to be identified with either the qualities of matter as empirically observed, or with phenomenality. Importantly, while respective forms are understood to be emergent with respect to one another – matter exists as a plurality of unifying principles or organizations – each of which is not an addition to, but abstractions from the neutral whole, i.e. a scale of forms or holomovement. The resulting “dialectical whole” is considered a synthetic a priori presupposition of science, philosophy, and phenomenology, i.e. this structure-process is fundamental to our knowledge (paradigms) and in Nature (ontology).
<IV. The Universe as a Complex System
>(1) Process/structural ontology – Process ontology in combination with OSR is a viable (if not preferable) foundation for understanding complex systems. Accordingly, relational processes constitute entieis at all scales though the two are ontologically equal and interdependent.
>(2) Emergent constraints – Forms arise through self-organization that both restrict and enable future states, dynamics, structures, and relations.
>(3) Deterministic function – The components of a complex system are interrelated/coupled such that if one of the constituents is absent the function (or evolutionary trajectory) is incomplete.
>(4) Historicity – Complex systems are path-dependenent meaning small events can become locked-in to constrain future dynamics and emergent structures.
>(5) Hierarchical levels – Nested structures obtain within complex systems, each requiring different (irreducible) descriptions.
>(6) Situated dynamics – The constituent states/structures depend upon the environment within which they are embedded.
>(7) Intricate and cycling behaviour – Complex systems obtain between simple order and total chaos, which instantiates periodic behavior that does not exactly repeat.
>If the Universe is a complex system, its function is identified with a space of determinant forms/states that obtain throughout its evolution (E).
<IV – b. Revised Criteria for Scales (ϕ)
>(1) Identification of ϕs should involve at least three parameters, whose combined values are unique to the respective scale: (i) structure – a-temporal relations within an identifiable boundary; (ii) kinetics – capacity to do work via energy transference (ET chain of a particular form); and (iii) periodicity (relatively stable self-organized spatiotemporal dynamics).
>(2) While some relations will be multiply realized across scales, i-iii results in a function that arises at a global level for each ϕ that is indicative of emergent laws, formal governance, or a PSE). Importantly, the emergence of such laws should be explicable in terms of symmetry breaking.
>(3) The formal governance of a given scale ϕa, will permit certain (thermo-) dynamic relations and phase transitions both within and beyond its bounds (e.g. order parameter and some self-organized boundary conditions), that permit the (at least second-order) emergence of scales ϕa 1 , ϕa 2 , ϕa 3 … ϕa n , dependent upon ϕa.
>(4) As a result of their irreducibility, it should be impossible to conduct a priori investigations from a given ϕ to its neighbors. While common principles will be discovered that unite identifiable ϕ with increasing systematization, their discovery and relationships will require ongoing a posteriori observation.
>(5) Just like the investigation of states within an infinite dimensional phase space or structures within a fractal curve, it is hypothesized that the discovery of scales (i.e. phases) will be ongoing.

i think the weirdest part is the teleological anthropic principle which ive honestly not looked too deep into
<III – e. Dialectical Argument for the TAP
>(P1) Teleology (in dialectical holist terms) obtains iff particular entities X bear a dialectical relation to their wider system Y such that the physical nature of Y depends upon the physical nature of X and the nature of X depends upon the dynamical constraints of Y.
>(P2) Some material phenomena (X) bear a dialectical relation to their superordinate system (Y).
>(P3) X instantiates irreducible relations (laws) that are necessitated by the constraints of Y.
>(C1) If ∃R instantiates irreducible dynamics (laws), then this phenomenon can be considered the result of a teleological process (E) instantiated by U

anyways what do you guys think?
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Could China take over North Korea if it wanted to? It seems as though, without China, North Korea would seemingly collapse overnight.

I can only imagine that China could stage a "soft coup" and force North Korea to become a part of China.
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How the fuck is this piece of shit alive?

Seriously, what the fuck is the assholes problem? How deep are the hands in his pockets? up his ass?
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Crytpo Crash General

The Crypto market is crashing and hard.
General thread for crypto crash 2022

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What's the point in having science and scientists if all you people are going to do is cherry-pick the stuff you agree with and toss out the stuff that you don't?

You realize that you don't get to choose your own reality, right? There's only one reality and it's kinda sorta important to figure out what that reality is. That's how progress is made… Figuring out that reality and then designing procedures to best utilize that reality to solve the problems that our society faces.

I thought you so-called "intellectuals" would understand that fact. Apparently, you don't.
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So there are some type of nano-chip that is smaller than rice, is black in colour and has GPS capabilities, you can't even notice it and we may have them inside ourselves.
1. they can see us from the sky with the St Satelite
2. they can track us with phones (can be blocked with faraday bags)
3. they can now track us with nano-chip (if you deny this, then deny that while we in 1950's we couldn't even access advanced cameras, while the army had Ultra-High Quality infrared cameras on their Air-to-Air missiles, the army has technology far ahead of anything we have, they have supercomputers the size of an office computer (talking bout the secret army, dug deep underground), which means that they already have tech beyond our comprehension)

NOTE: arround that size is the chip
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True low-cost universal healthcare will only be achievable when the population adopts scientifically valid practices, such as abolishing alcohol, cigarettes & marijuana.
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OC Thread 9.0

Thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content
Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

This is the place where you can find all /leftypol/ memes n' shit
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Do you support the taliban? From reading comments here I've seen some support for them but idk if it's people trolling or /Pol/yps

What are your thoughts?

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The French Situation

>Marine Le Pen open to appointing leftists if she wins French presidency

<“I could very well have people, for example, from the Chevènement left, in other words a sovereigntist left, a left which supports re-industrialisation, the defence of our great industries,” she told RTL radio.

<“There are lots of people on the left who are attached to French secularism — which fits well, it’s a fundamental issue for me — who are attached to education and are very opposed to the way in which Emmanuel Macron is planning to destroy schooling,” Le Pen said.
<“There are lots of people attached to the civil service, when Emmanuel Macron is in the process of sinking the state,” she added. “Those people could equally be part of my government.”

So it increasingly appears that the upcoming french election will embody the "neoliberalism vs everyone else" attitude that is growing in liberal democracies across the world.
Macron, the firmly centrist neoliberal candidate, is all but guaranteed a place in the second round; but who his rival will be has been uncertain throughout the past few months. Zemmour, Le Pen, Melenchon, all oppose Macron's laissez faire, europhile, small-government views for their own reasons and have all seen surges in the polls. And crucially their voters disapprove of Macron's ideas too, meaning that whoever does take on Macron in the second round will need to appeal to both the far-right and ideologically socialist sections of the electorate to be in with a chance of winning.

As Marxists, we should be hoping that this situation forces socialists like Melenchon to address the concerns of the large right-wing voting working class, who have been disillusioned from the left because of issues such as immigration, liberal idpol, the EU and sovereignty. Hopefully getting the European left back on track and focusing on what really matters after an extended period of decline and decadence. However, this is almost certainly wishful thinking. The most likely scenario is that we end up with a Macron v Le Pen second round.

So the question is, how should socialists approach national conservative candidates when offered an olive branch? After all, on paper we agree with them more than we do with neoliberals like Macron. But is it all just a dastardly trick to get our precious vooots, or is this a crucial moment for us to take advantage of opportunistic reactionary politicians, and help weaken the global neoliberal order and its powerful organisations such as the EU and NATO?
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DOOMERS BTFO! Climate Change has been averted
Expect mass suicides by the /r/collapse crowd
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Pic related is how tankies use the same logic as European colonizers.
I believe that soviet occupation of eastern Europe is exactly the same as European colonialism of places like Africa and India. This is because countries like Estonia and Lithuania are quite distinct from Russia. Even western and central Ukraine has a healthy reason to stand aside from Soviet or Russian claims.
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Why do they always start revolutions in industrially backwards shitholes?

Haven't they read Marx?
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The Banderites

Let's talk about Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory and his gang.

I mean, Stepan Bandera, OUN-UPA [Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian Insurgent Army] and their relevance in today's Ukraine and its politics.
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What's going on with south korea? The opposition candidate is said to have won off an anti-sjw platform

>He is seen in ROK as an Masculinist & Anti-Feminist, being framed as the "Candidate of Incels", promising to “Abolish the Gender Equality Ministry”, something that could be compared to Trump’s “Build the Wall”, of the Moon's Liberal Government that promoted Radical-Feminist ideologies into 🇰🇷 ROK society

>Yoon blames the later point, the spread of Feminism in South Korean society, for the Low birthrates in ROK, which angered (a lot) the so-called "K-Pop" fans in South Korea
>Yoon has a kind of Laissez-faire Economic policy, which attracted the support from ROK Libertarians
>Yoon, despite having participated in the Gwangju Uprising, expressed favorable views on the Government of the "Far-Right" Military Strongman, General Chun Doo-hwan that ruled ROK from 1980 to 1988 via a military coup
> He is overtly Anti-China, to such extent South Korean liberals call him an "Extreme anti-chinese Racist" & "Xenophobic"
>Yoon has a Belligerent Policy towards DPRK (North Korea), more than any Candidate than the ROK Military Juntas of Cold War
>Yoon is in Explicitly in favor of deploying Tactical Nuclear Weapons in South Korea/ROK to counter the Nuclear weapons of DPRK (North Korea)
>He vowed to get as much as possible THAAD systems from US to counter the "DPRK Threat", something that many South Korean liberals see as "dangerous to the policy of unification of Korea"
>Unlike the South Korean Liberals, Yoon and his faction have a Pro-Japanase stance and shares Japan views on 🇰🇵 DPRK and 🇨🇳 China
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to signal your support for world peace and the soviet union, please post your favorite ukrainian and laugh at the genetic mumbo jumbo that gave us NOTHING in 100+ years
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the guy in cockshotts new video mentions a post or paper he wrote detailing this plan he has for a parallel socialist society. Anyone been able to find it?

He makes some interesting suggestions with keeping labor inside the community and not paying taxes. Could go far even within an american audience.
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Is communism autistic?

Think about it; We need to categorize nearly everything.
Plan everything ahead and cross every I and dot every T.
So yeah is communism autistic? Or are communists just generally more autistic than others?
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I have a question for all the anti vaxx fags

If you're on the left and you support anti vaxx and all this other shit: My question is "why?" Why do you support it. Really what is the point? You realize that if you are going to argue it's "freedom" or whatever you are basically arguing, tacitly, that freedom is consumption and that if people could just get back to consooming then things would just be alright again. Like no matter what you think if you think lockdowns are bad it begs the question "why?" And if you think they are bad because they restrict people's freedom (especially under our wonderful capitalist mode of production) then you are basically arguing that the endless consumption of commodities is freedom and that people should just return to that. You're basically no better than libertarians, kek.
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Paul gives a disastrously bad answer to a very fundamental question about petty exchanges of second-hand goods under socialism.

The presenter brings up a very strong example of wanting to sell an old guitar, and paul sidesteps the problem by appealing to the idea of a barter and gift economy. This is exactly the kind of thing that would have the average person feel like communism has taken away their freedom. It gets too close to the capitalist plan "You will own nothing and be happy"

This bothers me because this shouldn't even be a problem in the first place. Paul has already run into this problem with trade workers and come up with a brilliant solution. Allowing the self-employed to have a state bank account. It's only a matter of universalizing this so everyone could make transactions with each other. Would this open up a route for accumulation? Well, people could rip themselves off through unequal exchange, but the same would happen without a currency as well. Better lubricating these kind of petty transactions rather than trying to sideline them would result in a healthier and more productive economy.

One flawed counter-argument is that currency would enable "illegal" transactions like prostitution or gambling. The problem with this argument is that currency is not the problem in such a scenario. Its cutting your nose off to spite your face. Crime should be dealt with at the level of law enforcement, making it tougher by making all personal transactions tougher is only going to push people further into a black market. Leave it to the future city council to deal with crime, whether by education and rehabilitation, or letting the people's militia beat it out of them with sticks.

As for the fear of accumulation. There's a man that started with a paperclip, and only through barter he ended up owning a home
Exactly as with illegal activity, this is something that has to be accounted for at the level of the law, and not simply suppressed or dismissed as an aberration of an otherwise perfect system. Making it harder isn't a solution.

Let's take a real world example. A black man whose name I can't remember had started a business outside a convenience store in new york. He would sell 'loosies', single cigarettes, for about 50 cents each, which was enough to cover the cost of the entire pack and make a little profit for his work. This is what some marxists call profit on alienation as opposed to exploitation. In capitalism the NYPD showed up and killed him by suffocating him during the arrest. You would hope that under communism, the city council would instead incorporate such a business venture into the plan and officially sanction the new social need. Again, unless they had reason to deem it illegal. Since this is a decision being made by the majority, it shouldn't be hard to enforce.
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State of the Union Watch Party

Hello everyone I'm organizing a State of the Union Watch Party tonight.

It begins at 9pm ET / 2am UTC.

I have attached a Bingo Card and Drinking Game Rules.

Come join the fun.

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War is Peace

Go on, now die for profits, for that is peace.
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Ukraina i Krym, Belarus' i Moldova
Eto moja strana!
Sakhalin i Kamchatka, Ural'skie gory
Eto moja strana!
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Kenya and turkey have taken in alot of refugees and stayed stable

What made their immigration policies so effective when importing millions of syrian, afghan, and somali refugees compared to westerners?
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Do you know why the nazi lost?
Because of aestethic. It was a great point of advantage for them, they had very good aesthetic, and it made them succeed, but…
… but aesthetic is something that appeals to still human beings. Beauty is holy. Aesthetic made them not nazi enough and in the contradiction of being a dishuman force that still needed humanity, thus they lost. The essence of nazism was Auschwitz
and there was no aesthetic in Auschwitz, it wasn't anything nice to see, but outside of it they had cool uniforms and such. Now you can see the contemporary neo-nazism that is winning because they absolutely have no aesthetic whatsoever, on purpose. They are fucking ugly and disseminate the destruction of aesthetic everywhere they go. They put their mask on. They have killed humanity. The nazi project can continue.
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Imagine having the privilege to witness the greatest primitive accumulation of all history but missing it because you believed them and thought it was a virus.
Jfc my sides I can't stop laughing when I think of it this way.
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fucking caught them in the act. I had a suspicion this was going on but this is the first time I have hard proof. fuck them
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Modern "innovators" frustrate me

1 really important thing anyone that has ever been an engineer at hell even trade worker learns is that innovation takes time and multiple attempts, you cannot reasonably learn how to assemble components together to perform a specific function wether building an engine, generator, new machine, material whatever and expect that design to perform its given task effectively the first time it was created. What I see people like elon musk,Jeff bezos, ma huateng, jack ma, anyone that works as a leader at NASA, etc all have in common is that they're collectively trying to push unfinished or poorly tested designs for their products and machinery into the global market to be sold or used by governments for their purposes and seem to exhibit 0 regard for the scientific method, and 0 willingness to improve on their garbage machines, no invention or design turns out perfect I can understand that's the case for anyone that's ever had to work as an engineer in whatever field but this laziness is noticeable enough to a degree that the unprofessionalism is apparent when you start seeing spaceX rockets flat out fucking explode while landing, or amazon delivery drones running out of energy while they're performing their service, or chinese made phones wether made locally or by westerners outsourcing their supply chains breaking within a few weeks from minor collisions. It's really embarrassing and wastes a fuck ton of time and resources along with contributing tremendous amounts of damage as models need to be mass produced for testing maintenance and assembling before a finished design can be released, a wealth that contributes to global e waste and excessive(and really inefficient usage) mining of rare earth metals along with oil drilling. Oh well sorry for this rant if it's off topic to you mods…
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Prolekult Video Watch Party

Hello Anons,

Let's get together and watch a nice Prolekult release today and also we can watch other stuff afterwards if you like until y'all get bored.

IIt's been a while since we had a nice big get together so let's have some fun.

We will begin the video at 2:30am GMT, 9:30pm EST, 6:30pm PST.

Feel free to come in early and watch things until video time and afterwards.

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Covid Accelerationsim

Should we intentionally spread COVID and ignore public health guidelines to increase the collapse of capitalism. After all increasing spread would cause more lockdowns which would harm porky, making sure their is a lot of COVID cases would require the continuation of the eviction moratorium which is harming landlords.
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What do you think of freemasons?

They are filled with conspiracy theories all over the net.

Interesting thing is how often they've been banned. China banned them, Franco spain banned them, Iran banned them, Nazis banned them, USSR banned them, papal banned them, Cuba banned them, hungary banned them. Goes on and on

What do you make of them?

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Fascists discussing politics

is so cringe. I can't understand how anyone takes them seriously. I went to a fascist political discussion subreddit called /r/discuss_government and it had some of the dumbest fucking posts i've ever seen being taken seriously. Browsing places like /r/monarchism and other right wing subreddits makes me think its almost trolling. I dunno.
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Why is eugenics bad? I have a relatively minor genetic disease I inherited from my father and it sucks. I saw my dad suffering it as i grew up, getting dizzy and having to lie down. I didn't have it at first but now that im older i ended up getting the same shit, i feel dizzy all the time and tired as fuck.

Yes I know eugenics has a bad rep due to nazism and scientific racism. And there's arguably capitalist eugenics as well, preserving the life and health of the rich at the expense of the working class. But if there was a rational social order, eugenics based on actual science and genetics rather than race or class, why would it be bad?

Why would a person who has a chance to pass on genetic disorders, or a serious transmissible disease (eg. HIV) do that? You're condemning an innocent child to a life of suffering.

Is it really wrong to say its a bad idea for people not to pass this on? I only have a minor condition I can only imagine what its like for people with severe conditions
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Why do incels gravitate towards fascism instead of communism? Wouldn't they rather live in a society where they are treated equally/equitably rather than one where they would be treated as genetic waste?
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These books will change your life. Read them.

<1. Capital, Vol. I | Karl Marx

The classpill. Discover the extent to how the bourgeosie exploit you. NOTE: I wouldn't recommend reading it in its entirety as Marx was a shit writer and Capital is completely disorganized. Perhaps pick up the David Harvey companion book and jump around with Capital as if it was a textbook. Also, don't bother with Vols. II and III, those are just for the autists.

<2. The Unique and Its Property | Marx Stirner

The egopill. Eliminate your spooks, be your Unique. Or, in layman's terms, be gay and do crime.

<3. The Society of the Spectacle | Guy Debord

The situationistpill. The book examines the “Spectacle,” Debord’s term for the everyday manifestation of capitalist-driven phenomena; advertising, television, film, and celebrity. Everything about capitalist society starts to make much more sense after reading this.

<4. Capitalist Realism | Mark Fischer

The doomerpill. Or, as I like to call it, the realistpill. From wikipedia because I got lazy:

"According to Fisher, capitalist realism has so captured public thought that the idea of anti-capitalism no longer acts as the antithesis to capitalism. Instead, it is deployed as a means for reinforcing capitalism. This is done through media which aims to provide a safe means of consuming anti-capitalist ideas without actually challenging the system. The lack of coherent alternatives, as presented through the lens of capitalist realism, leads many anti-capitalist movements to cease targeting the end of capitalism, but instead to mitigate its worst effects, often through individual consumption-based activities such as Product Red.[3]"

<5. Desert | Anonymous

The postciv pill. Realize that the only way we will ever be "free" is after ecological collapse and Mad Maxxing away from the state. It'll be fun!

Congratulations, you are now a depressed post-left anarchist making shitposts on /leftypol/ and conteplating an heroing. Maybe don't read and just be a normie…maybe you'll be happier that way.
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need to know the truth about Islam:

Like many others, I was very impressed by the Islamic victory of the Taliban retaking Afghanistan from Ameri-zionist mutts. It made me consider studying Islam, and converting if it seemed to be speaking the truth more than ameri-zionist do. But anons on /leftypol/ have shown me evidence that there might be atrocities in Islam, like pedophilia is CONDONED by scriptures. How can a religion that advocates pedophilia be the true word of God?

I need help to figure this out before pledging my immortal soul to a possible demon-inspired movement – is Islam God's truth or a sick lie?
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Far-Right Fragility and I Need Your Help!

I don't know how to say but fuck, fascists are too fragile about everything. Because of that, i'm in fucking danger
You know that at twitter, if you had post your pictures at there and if you are political; there is %100 chance that someone will post them as about you. It's something that fascists always do, they take pictures about leftist and share them.
Now, there is turkish-fascist girl. She is Turkicist, Islamist and so on; everything that sewer basically. She had captioned an vegan-food photo and said there avarage dinner at Dıyarbakır Prison 41 years ago. Referencing to the neo-fascist coup at 1980, where many of leftists, dissidents and some apoltical Kurds send to the prisons and they had tortured hard. Including rape and forcing them to eat their shit, which she had make fun of. Ofc, it created an problem at Turkish political-twitter.
Other thing is, while she is fascist, her photos were degenerate for far-right standarts. She had tumblrite red-hair and modern artistic-photos and while she is islamist, her apparaence is forbidden. And i posted them at bottom of tweets about her. I didn't attack her, or said oh, she is hot or anything like that. I just had showed the irony of her, she is degenerate but a fascist?? Then she triggered and attacked to me as How dare you share mine photos!! i will sue you.
WTF?! Other irony is, her acoount is also full of hate-crime. She is attacking everyone that not white-skinned turkish muslim hetero conservative ultranationalist male, yeah she is also an self-hating woman.

Now, as i learned.
1-)Avarage crime-sue needs 3-6 months for being had open.
2-)Twitter only gives personal-information about users only by request of courts
3-) After an acoount is deactivated, that account is being deleted after one month
4-)Twitter can't reach the personal-information about deleted acoounts. (I deactivated my account yesterday)
(I was also anonymous. I didn't post anything about myself)

Now, can i learn. Am i safe? Can twitter give personal-information without request of court.? Can court want personal-information this month ?

Now, other question is why reactionaires are too fragile?? At the same day, an (trans)woman that i'm mutual just said that She doesn't like nationalism and doesn't want to having proud-pride for things can't be chosen. It created an storm at nationalist-twitter. They all had captioned and sweared to her so hard. She said that they attacked to her at DM's since the morning. She had deactivated her acoount three/four times and she is gone now. She was too angry and as i understood; traumatised. I had look to nationalists and those bastards were too furious that someone said i don't like nationalism.
Also our leftist/socdem Istanbul governance made a show for freedom of Izmır and they had do valse at there. It was one of things at there… But do you know what had happen?? It made ıslamists too furious as fuck. They coped for like a month furiously and attacked to seculars for doing valse. Even some of them physically attacked…
They are too fucking fragile. Why??
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Socialist state security

How should public security organizations like armies, surveillance teams, police etc be structured within your typical socialist state to ensure NATO can’t force its imperialist influence nor abolish a socialist government by force in any instance.
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We really gotta keep he-she’s from positions of power. Transgender drama ruined CHOP/CHAZ as well.
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Slave Morality in the American Leftist

Having been raised in America, the American Leftist is influenced by Judeo-Christian morals. Most Judeo-Christian flavors of religion were historically an enslaved underclass, and as a coping mechanism developed a Slave Morality that values victimhood and suffering as holy. The American Leftist is influenced by this Slave Morality, and identifies with the lower classes, so exalts weakness and fragility as desirable and respectable traits. This is out of a subconscious desire to reject the perceived ruling-class values of might and discipline.

In practice, this creates a degenerate behavior of sabotaging any Leftist organization that approaches authority. In the mind of the Slave-Morality Leftist, a Leftist that approaches authority is similar to the ruling class, which is imagined to be a betrayal of Leftist morals. This ultimately results in purity spirals of attacking anyone who is achieving any degree of conventional authority, instead putting at the forefront those who are the most outraged, the most offended, the most fragile, and the least capable of asserting their will onto society at large.

We have seen this happen at Democratic Socialists of America party meetings, where the attendees endlessly raise personal grievances to grind all activity to a halt, narcissistically making themselves the center of attention. The leadership of the DSA hesitates to reject these people, because they fear alienating the downtrodden underclass. The most egregious are those that are offended on another’s behalf, as they use others as pawns in their attention-seeking.

Formalized leftist organizations, like the DSA party, are not the only victims of the Slave-Morality Leftist. In less formal groups that have no explicit command structure, the Slave-Morality Leftist demands hyperfixation on the most loudly offended, and the most aggressively complainant. Meetings and discussions seize as people compete to be the most victimized, demanding hyperfixation on the endless tiny details of grievance upon grievance. Whether this is from a sincere desire to make the most harmed the most heard, or a manipulation tactic by attention-seeking narcissists, the result is the same: The complete halt of operations and inevitable death of the organization.

As should be apparent, a movement or organization that rewards incapability and suppresses the direct ability to assert one’s will, cannot influence society to a meaningful and lasting degree. The American Left must reject the exaltation of weakness, and instead praise and reward elements of power and authority that are leveraged to enact Leftist change in society. Should the American Left continue its rejection of capability, there is no possibility for development beyond Capitalism in the United States.
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what to do

Just a dumb thread idea I had. I was trying to imagine a teenager asking me, "so I think I'm a lefty, now what?"

0. Find local lefties. Be a good friend for your comrades.
1. Join a union. Become active in it! Pushing for a fairer workplace is honestly a more meaningful fight than trying to change local laws. It'll also help develop the leftist position in your neighborhood.
2. Exercise often and learn to cook. The amount of $$ that NPCs waste on eating crap food is really pretty mindboggling. You can watch a little less TV or do a little less shitposting online to find the time to cook yourself a good, wholesome meal now and then. Invest in a weight set or punching bag; at least do some body-weight exercises.
3. Put up wheatpastes! At best, you may be able to make new friends and spark some kind of discussion. At the least, you may be able to trigger some wrongthink NPCs into flipping out. Good activity to do with friends, and is decent enough exercise.
4. Meditate, research, absorb theory. Learn to articulate what you see as being problems in our society and how to resolve them. Discipline your mind and learn to regulate your feelings.
5. Find ways to apply your skills to the cause, whether it's writing, educating, sharing resources, pushing messages, countering narratives, etc. If your town is absolutely dry, you can resort to online projects, but try to remember that online ultimately doesn't matter or challenge any meaningful threats to the status quo.
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Gaddafi Thread

What did he really get wrong? This seems like a pretty reasonable way of organizing things. Perhaps some similarities to the Rojava organization style.
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Anarchists, Lifestylists, and Perfectionists.

The greatest problems halting the left from progress in this moment are anarchists, lifestylists, and perfectionists. Anarchists because they are anathema to achieving the power necessary to assert our will; Lifestylists because of their cliquey self-destructive purity spirals and unhalting destructive criticism of other leftists; Perfectionists because they oppose and undermine any kind of incremental progress or minor achievements. Anarchists generally manifest the other two, while the other two are present independently among all subtypes of Leftist.
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The work, the first volume of which I now submit to the public, forms the continuation of my Zur Kritik der Politischen Oekonomie (A Contribution to the Criticism of Political Economy) published in 1859. The long pause between the first part and the continuation is due to an illness of many years’ duration that again and again interrupted my work.

The substance of that earlier work is summarised in the first three chapters of this volume. This is done not merely for the sake of connexion and completeness. The presentation of the subject matter is improved. As far as circumstances in any way permit, many points only hinted at in the earlier book are here worked out more fully, whilst, conversely, points worked out fully there are only touched upon in this volume. The sections on the history of the theories of value and of money are now, of course, left out altogether. The reader of the earlier work will find, however, in the notes to the first chapter additional sources of reference relative to the history of those theories.

Every beginning is difficult, holds in all sciences. To understand the first chapter, especially the section that contains the analysis of commodities, will, therefore, present the greatest difficulty. That which concerns more especially the analysis of the substance of value and the magnitude of value, I have, as much as it was possible, popularised. The value-form, whose fully developed shape is the money-form, is very elementary and simple. Nevertheless, the human mind has for more than 2,000 years sought in vain to get to the bottom of it all, whilst on the other hand, to the successful analysis of much more composite and complex forms, there has been at least an approximation. Why? Because the body, as an organic whole, is more easy of study than are the cells of that body. In the analysis of economic forms, moreover, neither microscopes nor chemical reagents are of use. The force of abstraction must replace both. But in bourgeois society, the commodity-form of the product of labour — or value-form of the commodity — is the economic cell-form. To the superficial observer, the analysis of these forms seems to turn upon minutiae. It does in fact deal with minutiae, but they are of the same order as those dealt with in microscopic anatomy.

With the exception of the section on value-form, therefore, this volume cannot stand accused on the score of difficulty. I presuppose, of course, a reader who is willing to learn something new and therefore to think for himself.

The physicist either observes physical phenomena where they occur in their most typical form and most free from disturbing influence, or, wherever possible, he makes experiments under conditions that assure the occurrence of the phenomenon in its normality. In this work I have to examine the capitalist mode of production, and the conditions of production and exchange corresponding to that mode. Up to the present time, their classic ground is England. That is the reason why England is used as the chief illustration in the development of my theoretical ideas. If, however, the German reader shrugs his shoulders at the condition of the English industrial and agricultural labourers, or in optimist fashion comforts himself with the thought that in Germany things are not nearly so bad; I must plainly tell him, “De te fabula narratur!” [It is of you that the story is told. – Horace]

Intrinsically, it is not a question of the higher or lower degree of development of the social antagonisms that result from the natural laws of capitalist production. It is a question of these laws themselves, of these tendencies working with iron necessity towards inevitable results. The country that is more developed industrially only shows, to the less developed, the image of its own future.

But apart from this. Where capitalist production is fully naturalised among the Germans (for instance, in the factories proper) the condition of things is much worse than in England, because the counterpoise of the Factory Acts is wanting. In all other spheres, we, like all the rest of Continental Western Europe, suffer not only from the development of capitalist production, but also from the incompleteness of that development. Alongside the modern evils, a whole series of inherited evils oppress us, arising from the passive survival of antiquated modes of production, with their inevitable train of social and political anachronisms. We suffer not only from the living, but from the dead. Le mort saisit le vif! [The dead holds the living in his grasp. – formula of French common law]

The social statistics of Germany and the rest of Continental Western Europe are, in comparison with those of England, wretchedly compiled. But they raise the veil just enough to let us catch a glimpse of the Medusa head behind it. We should be appalled at the state of things at home, if, as in England, our governments and parliaments appointed periodically commissions of inquiry into economic conditions; if these commissions were armed with the same plenary powers to get at the truth; if it was possible to find for this purpose men as competent, as free from partisanship and respect of persons as are the English factory-inspectors, her medical reporters on public health, her commissioners of inquiry into the exploitation of women and children, into housing and food. Perseus wore a magic cap down over his eyes and ears as a make-believe that there are no monsters.

Let us not deceive ourselves on this. As in the 18th century, the American war of independence sounded the tocsin for the European middle class, so that in the 19th century, the American Civil War sounded it for the European working class. In England the process of social disintegration is palpable. When it has reached a certain point, it must react on the Continent. There it will take a form more brutal or more humane, according to the degree of development of the working class itself. Apart from higher motives, therefore, their own most important interests dictate to the classes that are for the nonce the ruling ones, the removal of all legally removable hindrances to the free development of the working class. For this reason, as well as others, I have given so large a space in this volume to the history, the details, and the results of English factory legislation. One nation can and should learn from others. And even when a society has got upon the right track for the discovery of the natural laws of its movement — and it is the ultimate aim of this work, to lay bare the economic law of motion of modern society — it can neither clear by bold leaps, nor remove by legal enactments, the obstacles offered by the successive phases of its normal development. But it can shorten and lessen the birth-pangs.

To prevent possible misunderstanding, a word. I paint the capitalist and the landlord in no sense couleur de rose [i.e., seen through rose-tinted glasses]. But here individuals are dealt with only in so far as they are the personifications of economic categories, embodiments of particular class-relations and class-interests. My standpoint, from which the evolution of the economic formation of society is viewed as a process of natural history, can less than any other make the individual responsible for relations whose creature he socially remains, however much he may subjectively raise himself above them.

In the domain of Political Economy, free scientific inquiry meets not merely the same enemies as in all other domains. The peculiar nature of the materials it deals with, summons as foes into the field of battle the most violent, mean and malignant passions of the human breast, the Furies of private interest. The English Established Church, e.g., will more readily pardon an attack on 38 of its 39 articles than on 1/39 of its income. Now-a-days atheism is culpa levis [a relatively slight sin, c.f. mortal sin], as compared with criticism of existing property relations. Nevertheless, there is an unmistakable advance. I refer, e.g., to the Blue book published within the last few weeks: “Correspondence with Her Majesty’s Missions Abroad, regarding Industrial Questions and Trades’ Unions.” The representatives of the English Crown in foreign countries there declare in so many words that in Germany, in France, to be brief, in all the civilised states of the European Continent, radical change in the existing relations between capital and labour is as evident and inevitable as in England. At the same time, on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, Mr. Wade, vice-president of the United States, declared in public meetings that, after the abolition of slavery, a radical change of the relations of capital and of property in land is next upon the order of the day. These are signs of the times, not to be hidden by purple mantles or black cassocks. They do not signify that tomorrow a miracle will happen. They show that, within the ruling classes themselves, a foreboding is dawning, that the present society is no solid crystal, but an organism capable of change, and is constantly changing.

The second volume of this book will treat of the process of the circulation of capital (Book II.), and of the varied forms assumed by capital in the course of its development (Book III.), the third and last volume (Book IV.), the history of the theory.

Every opinion based on scientific criticism I welcome. As to prejudices of so-called public opinion, to which I have never made concessions, now as aforetime the maxim of the great Florentine is mine:

“Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti.”
[Follow your own course, and let people talk – paraphrased from Dante]

Karl Marx
July 25, 1867
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There's an actual proven certified communist remedy to """"covid""". It's called Artemisia Annua.
If you hide it and defend anything like the darpa death sentence injection, muzzling people, destroying society, terminating patients with ventilators and so on and so on you are an anticommunist and a nazi piece of shit and you deserve to die and will die painfully when we will catch you. But it will actually be the best for you, since under your master you wil suffer even more.
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I fucking hate this dude, man. I hate his constructed "ancient asian uncle" aura.
I hate the vietnamese communists. See how they jumped ship. They are buddy-buddy with the Americans now. They are a sweatshopland now. How is that possible? If the war was so brutal as they told us. Sure, betrayal is a thing, but it's not possible, not this soon. The people that fought in that war are alive, the people that died in that war are alive, that war is alive, it just happened. Yet they don't hate the Americans, they love them. And I came to the conclusion that my perspective was wrong. For the Viet Cong the Americans were never an enemy, they were adversaries in a war of conquest they won, an obstacle. So why not be friends now? And why were you even here anyway? In fact, they never saw themselves as a part of a global force countering colonialism; that was good PR. They must have been really confused by the Chinese, the Koreans, the Soviets and all the people in the world supporting them and rooting for them, they probably made fun of them. Communism was a vessel for national chauvinism, both materially and spiritually. They are fascist, Viet Nam is literally the Strasserite strawman radlibs poke at, and, quite ironically, the Strasserites are always happy to use Ho as a legitimizing authority.
One can even excuse such a backward subjectivity if it brings good results in the objective reality, but you can see now that subjectivity is the objective reality.
The gang of Hanoi sacrificed millions of their people for their petit-grandeure. They brag about it. And they are friends with the Americans. They probably respect them, their boldness. Predators compliment predators. And the real reson why they don't hate them is that they have no reason to do so. I mean, they can't take their boats and go conquer Florida, there's no point then in hating Americans, they are not Khmers.
I read that the Vietnamese accuse Pol Pot of the killing of 500,000 Cham (one must always forget every sense of proportion when dealing with Pol Pot.) The sinister aspect is that if the Vietnamese accuse Pol Pot of haveing killed 500,000 Cham, they themselves probably did it. The Vietnamese killed half a million of Cham; just finishing the job.
But it wasn't a betrayal. It was supposed to go this way. I learned recently that Stalin didn't like Ho (did the man ever missed once?) And it makes sense to me: he was never a communist, but a petty bourg nationalist, he pretty much admits this, moved by national resentment. There were many of this kind of people lurking around the Third Internationale in its first years - most of them shot afterwhile - dishonest opportunist aspiring warlords parasiting the body of the proletarian revolution.
Sure, but wouldn't the most honest, principled, advanced communists and anti-colonialists be the first to die in a situation like that?
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January 6th Anniversary

Rewatching today's speeches from Kamala and Biden.

Then replays of what happened last year on January 6th.

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Grey zone article exposes government interference in breadtube


Has any one else read this? They are drumming up a lot of hysteria about it over on Twitter but I don't really know what to think. The actual source itself doesn't appear to prove anything. Maybe I am misinterpreting the data can some one help me figure this out? What does leftychan thing?
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Remember the 20th Century?

I know I always tell a tall tale about this but if you don't do what I want then we're all going to concentration camps to get dinkledomped. Adolf Doofler is going to come back and karaka your head on a platter. Is that what you want? You WILL remember the 20th century, anon. I'm very serious about this.
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Cytube End of Year Watch Party

Hello Comrades,

Another year down. I'm hosting a watch party where I gathered some videos to watch and willingly to take suggestions for the night to add more videos. I plan staying up as late as possible and hanging out with you all until I can't stay awake.

I will be starting it up 7pm CST.

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Alt-right winger goes on shooting spree in Denver

Maybe you all should have a cylical news thread. Anyway I just wanted to draw attention to this because the right always acts like violence from them are one off flukes.
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Communism and Nationalism

To begin with, let's define the concepts.
1. Strasserism (or Strasser's ideological position), judging by the program document "14 theses of the German Revolution", was an attempt by Strasser to combine nationalism, anti-Semitism, moderate social democracy and geopolitics. This attempt was half-hearted, Strasserism was in principle adjacent to Hitler's Nazism and was suppressed by Nazism, which simply rejected the social-democratic ideas of Strasserism as a screen. Strasserism was a form of moderate centrist nationalism, inconsistent and tending to right-wing ideas (German geopolitics of "living space", racism, anti-Semitism)

2. National Bolshevism (Ustryalov) is a "post-revolutionary" ideological trend among the Russian emigration, which recognized the socialist principle, but at the same time defended the idea of Russian national statehood and denied universal communism as a utopia. It is distinguished from Strasserism by great consistency and restraint. Within the framework of National Bolshevism as a synthesis of the ideas of Russian historical statism and the ideas of Marxism, there is less eclecticism. National Bolshevism itself is a mirror of Soviet state-building (Ustryalov recognized both industrialization, collectivization and the unity of the party). Initially, National Bolshevism advocated combining the ideas of NEP and cooperation with the ideas of a strong state. Then there was a turn to the recognition of the Stalinist USSR.

3. Left-wing nationalism is a set of ideological-theoretical and practical-political phenomena, which are usually united by the following things:
1) the presence of a left (anarcho-communist, populist, Marxist) ideology,
2) recognition of the right of peoples to self-determination and denial of capitalist imperialism,
3) statism or the idea of a strong, based on the original development of the nation and national culture. In this sense, left-wing nationalism can be attributed to Smenovehovism, National Bolshevism (Limonov), Gandhism (the teachings of Gandhi in India), Titoism (the teachings of Tito, who combined the ideas of Trotsky and the ideas of left-wing nationalism), early Maoism and, of course, Juche (the official ideology of the DPRK).

Strasserism is not left-wing nationalism, because it included the ideas of "living space","war as fate", anti-semitism and "purity of the nation" - purely right-wing ideas and was therefore not viable (since the combination of left and extreme right ideas led to eclecticism).

4) There are often people who call themselves a Hoxhaist or a Stalinist. This is not very correct. To begin with, neither Stalin nor Hoxha created such ideologies and did not call themselves that. Both communist leaders were Marxist-Leninists. Even during the Khrushchev period, criticism of Stalin dispensed with the use of the term "Stalinism". On the pages of the Soviet press, this term (used by Western Sovietologists) appeared and was practically legalized only at the very end of the 80s, at the final stage of perestroika. However, Marxism-Leninism itself can be considered Stalinism since it was created by Stalin.

In principle, in the process of defining concepts, I was able to point out the differences in terms. In other words, left-wing nationalism is a common name for a number of trends that organically combine left-wing ideology and nationalism, national Bolshevism is one of the varieties of left-wing nationalism. Strasserism can be considered a democratic nationalism, with strong ideas of pan-Germanism and anti-Semitism. Stalinism(Hoxhaism) this is true Marxism-Leninism, and after Stalin's death it is already Revisionism.

+++My personal opinion.+++

Remember the years 1939-1945, in all European countries only the Communists could form a serious resistance, since they were always in the underground, they were driven first by the national governments of France, Denmark, Belgium, Poland, Luxembourg, and then the Nazis came and began to drive everyone, but only the communists had an opyat of underground work, they both had turnouts, passwords and were accountable to the International, not even Moscow, and continued all this. A communist is not a patriot of one country, but a patriot of the entire Planet Earth. You need to remember, know and understand this.

Capitalist governments only care about the life of the elite and a little about the life of the middle class, they do not want to care about the poor working people. And in the USSR, the coat of arms had the words: "Workers of the world, unite!", that is, all proletarians of all countries and peoples were together for a single cause. By the way, Comrade Lenin and Comrade Stalin were not just general secretaries, they were leaders of the world proletariat.

Russian Tsar or European King, roughly speaking, is a small man compared to the leader of the world proletariat, since the leader controls the whole Earth, the workers of all states, and the tsar or king only his subjects, Russians or Germans or Frenchmen. You understand what a big difference.

Therefore, the responsibility lay on the shoulders of Lenin and Stalin many times more than on the shoulders of any tsar, emperor or president. Do not confuse a member with a carrot. Communists are majestic, and monarchists are petty. This is a fact that few people realize and even more so few people replicate because a true communist does not care about it, and it becomes not quite convenient for monarchists to argue like this. Therefore, it is clearly superfluous to mix nationalism and communism.
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Cytube Watch Xmas Eve

Hello everyone,

I'm gonna go watch the Trump interview involving Candace Owens at :45 after.

If you wanna come watch. Come here:


We also may watch a few other things and then yeah.

Hope to see y'all there.
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What does the future for leftypol and the left in general look like?

What is out future as a community? Will we die out with a whimper and bang or will we see a surge in popularity among the community as a whole?

What about the left in general? What does the future look like for us? Are we fucked?
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Behold the Chinese equivalent of jannies

The Urban Administrative and Law Enforcement Bureau, commonly shortened to Chengguan (Chinese: 城管; pinyin: Chéngguǎn), is a local government agency that has been established in every city in Mainland China.[1]

The agency is usually part of a city or municipality's Urban Management Bureau (Chinese: 城市管理局; pinyin: Chéngshì Guǎnlǐ Jú).[2] The agency is in charge with enforcement of urban management of the city. This includes local bylaws, city appearance bylaws, environment, sanitation, work safety, pollution control, health, and can involve enforcement in planning, greening, industry and commerce, environment protection, municipal affairs and water in large cities.[2]

The agents of the bureau are civil servants that do not have the power of the police.

The bureau is sometimes translated in English as Urban Administrative Enforcement Bureau or Urban Management Enforcement Bureau.

The Urban Administrative and Law Enforcement Bureau was established in 2001/2002 for all major cities in mainland China to improve municipal governance as cities become more crowded and urban issues became more complex.[3]

The bureaus' officials are responsible for cracking down on unlicensed street vendors. According to the BBC, "Ever since the agency came into existence 10 years ago, there have been repeated criticism of them using excessive force. This para-police force, equipped with steel helmets and stab-proof vests, is often used by local officials as trouble shooters".[4]

In general the Chengguan serve as an official agency employed by cities across China "to tackle low-level crime." However, the agency is widely disliked by the Chinese due to their abuses of power.[4]


Chengguan vehicle in Beijing
Chengguan have been involved in several high-profile cases that highlighted public discontent towards a perceived abuse of power by Chengguan. One high-profile case involved Cui Yingjie, who killed a Chengguan in 2006 after a confrontation in Beijing. Public support for Cui Yingjie before and during the trial may have affected the leniency shown to Cui, who received a commuted death sentence.[citation needed]

Following an incident in Tianmen City, Hubei province in January 2008 in which the manager of a construction company, Wei Wenhua,[5] was beaten to death for filming the actions of the Chengguan in a local dispute over rubbish dumping, nationwide calls were made to abolish the unit. Thousands of messages were posted over the Internet and protests took place in Hubei province. According to sources,[which?] some Chengguan officials have connections to organized crime.

A 2012 report by Human Rights Watch documents Chengguan abuses, "including assaults on suspected administrative law violators, some of which lead to serious injury or death, illegal detention, and unlawful forceful confiscation of property."[6]

There were multiple cases in 2011 and 2012 throughout China where police officers were attacked by groups of chengguan agents when responding to incidents of chengguan's use of violence and abuse.[7]

In 2012, the Chengguan agency in Wuhan announced formation of an internal 'militia' or paramilitary-type division.

In 2013, a watermelon seller, Deng Zhengjia, was reported to have been beaten to death with his own scales by Chengguan. His body was protected by people on the street to prevent authorities from seizing it and to "preserve evidence." Violence ensued. Prominent microbloggers have called for the end to what has been termed a "thuggish" organization.[8]

In 2014, a man filming the Chengguan abusing a female street vendor was brutally beaten with a hammer until he was vomiting blood. He was pronounced dead on the way to the hospital. The five Chengguan officers were severely beaten, and four confirmed dead later,[9] with pictures posted on Sina Weibo.[10][11]

In popular culture
As a result of its notorious reputation, the Chengguan has become a popular target of jokes and internet memes by the Chinese public.

Time magazine reports that beatings by Chengguan officers have become such commonplace news that, "The word 'Chengguan' has even taken on an alternate meaning in Chinese. "Don't be too Chengguan" is an appeal not to bully or terrorize. In other words, "Chengguan" has literally become synonymous with "violence".[12]"The Chengguan is coming!", a phrase often shouted out by illegal street vendors to warn others to run away in case of a Chengguan inspection, has become a famous Chinese Internet punch line.

There are also satirical jokes of the Chengguan actually being China's secret strategic reserves, the "fifth branch of the PLA", because of their capability to cause "mass destruction". Punch lines such as "Give me 300 Chengguan, I will conquer…" and "China has pledged not to be the first to use Chengguan at any time or under any circumstances in order to keep world peace and stability" have gone viral among Chinese netizens in recent years.[13]
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Is it idealistic to think that knowledge of real history is critically important for staging a revolt? How can you expect people to succeed when they've been robbed of their history?
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What are our thoughts on the most advanced political ideology yet, /leftypol/? Shay wrote a book about american balkanization and the creation of a new nation in the southern united states, based on sun yat-sen's three principles of the people and mlm thought. Shay also proposes replacing the presidency with a council and the formation of a cooperative mercenary organization combined with unions, syndicates and parties to form a super-organization with dual-power to demand independence, all while ranking revolutionary action based on a 3-tier tier system to represent action in an everyday form vs more radical and revolutionary acts.
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Whats your thought on the Kyle Rittenhouse trial?
Me personally? I cannot wait for the burger butthurt and riots. No matter the outcome, the amount of bloodshed this will cause will be good fodder for my boredom
Thoughts, leftychads?
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Bordiga and Fascism-Democracy

Can some anon explain me what's the deal with bordiga and fascism? Why did he call Stalin an crypto-bourgeoisie while had call Hitler and Mussolini proletariat-revolutionaires?
What was his problem with democracy?
Is he the proof of horseshoe theory by going too much left to the point that siding with fascists?
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Amid pandemic, Washington escalates war threats against Russia
>Washington and its NATO allies are recklessly stoking military tensions with Russia to distract from their criminally irresponsible policies on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.

It is very clear from the link to Zbigniew Brzezinski’s Atlantic Council article as to why he was a, the?, leading strategist for US imperialism.
In his own twisted way he employs a multi-sided vision of warfare, encompassing military, political, social and psychological tools in pursuing what was a virulent anti-communist agenda, no matter what the cost in deaths and human suffering. Brzezinski, for all his apparent world view saw communists everywhere. In Chile, Vietnam, Russia, …. His bigotry prevented him and fellow travellers from distinguishing between Stalinists, reformists, centrists and every variety of defender of capitalism from Communism, Trotskyism.
Afghans, Ukrainians, Russian, Turkish, Vietnamese, it matter little, his only criteria being the defeat of Communism and the enrichment of America.
NATO’s, that is US Imperialisms provocative present day ambitions employ equally sick, regressive acts.
But there are important differences between 2014 and the third decade of the 21 century, namely internationally the economic crisis is immeasurable more severe than just seven years ago. Barak Obama, followed by Donald Trump and now Joe Biden have intensified conflict with and within China and the Pacific region as a whole. Inter-imperialist rivalries pop up again and again in the EU and elsewhere.
The repercussions of the massive 2008 financial crash were still vigorously reverberating around the globe. And now the coronavirus pandemic, which has been allowed to sweep across whole continents causing millions of deaths, many more hardships and misery as well as havoc and mayhem in production and deliveryhas further weakened international capitalism. It has exacerbated not just nation state antagonisms but class conflict too.
In the name of defence of Ukraine’s and Turkey’s independence it, NATO, spells out the role of these pawns of NATO’s war games. These independent nation states have no say in their future other than to accept mass deaths on their soil in furtherance of imperialisms ambitions.
Only the independent intervention of the international proletariat can prevent the slide into war. Turn the imperialist war into a class war.
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I want to talk to the ni66er that made this picture. Because he's a fucking moron (and a cryptofash too.)
He thinks he's dunking on rightoids when he's only demonstrating is utter ignorance and stupidity. He thinks CAPITALISM is a ghostly entity, a demonic nothuman system, not a condition made of and by humans, and they are stupid in searching people to blame. Marx should come and rape him.
What's funny is that the figures depicted could easily really represent our current overlords.
In order: the Chinese Communist Party, overseer of the larger working force in the World, secret societies, think tanks and NGOs, central banks, zionists (tech, weaponry, surveillance,) and cherry on top what better than aliens for the CIA?
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latam block

Will Latin America be able to form it's own political and economic block ?
They are trying to build political organization and economic cooperation between regional countries that is independent of the US, via political initiative
Is this going to work ? I'm asking because in the past blocks of this type have formed around heavy industry, transportation and military pacts.
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(Islamic) Socialism in Indonesia

I know the other Islamic Communist thread is dead, but let's actually engage this topic halfway seriously. It seems like "communism" was pretty close to going through in Indonesia when Sukarno was in power… then the CIA pushed for Suharto, millions of people were genocided (socialists, environmentalists, atheists, progressives), "communism" was made illegal, etc etc.

> What did Indonesian socialists actually want?

> What does Indonesian socialism look like today?

Partai Solidaritas Indonesia is a fairly large, center-left movement. It seems to have a lot of appeal and the 🌹rose symbol marks them pretty clearly as being a democratic socialist movement, even though it's never explicitly stated.

Random links:
> Sukarno's version of the UN with DPRK and Palestine
> Indonesian and DPRK friendship
> CIA fascist pig kills military leaders, blames communists to stage hostile takeover
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population destruction in capitalism

Capitalism, drives half the population to poverty and despair, but subsequently finds that it is ultimately unable to reproduce the workers on whom it depends.

The USA, and now the UK are already showing declines in life expectancy. Deaths due to poisoning, suicide, liver disease. The afflictions of poverty and despair take an increasing toll

graph 1 figure 5a

A large part, the poisoning line in Figure 5, is caused by the deliberate promotion of opiate addiction. From the East India Company pushing Opium to the Chinese in the 1840s, the Bayer company selling over the counter Heroin as a ‘cure’ for morphine in 1895 to Purdue Pharmacy aggressively launching Oxycontin in 1995, companies have seen addicts as a secure source of income. The ‘legitimate’ drug firms open the doors to addiction, which is then further exploited by the black capitalism of the illegal drugs rings. The profits are then laundered via blue chip banks like HSBC in the City of London, a bank that was founded from the profits of the Opium trade to China.

graph2 figure 5b

graph 3 Russian birthrate post Soviet

Along with rising death rates you can see in the former USSR a collapse in the birth rate so that more people die than are born to replace them. As wage shares decline, it becomes impossible for families to survive on one income. The pressure to work more, the pressure to acquire qualifications for work, the shortage of affordable family houses, the lack of affordable childcare causes women to delay or abandon having children.

More and more people stay single and give up the hope of having a family. The effect was most dramatic where capitalism was suddenly imposed but the pattern of births falling below deaths spreads across the capitalist world. The effect has gone furthest in Japan where for 2017, 946,000 babies were born but 1.34 million people died, with the decline of the population reaching 394,000 in a single year. In 2018 it looks as if the shortfall in births to deaths will be more like half a million people. As Figure 6 shows this trend of a failure of capitalist societies to reproduce their populations is spreading.

A similar inability to reproduce the population has heralded the doom of past class societies. The Roman Empire, built on slavery, faced the same problem.

graph 4 figure 6

The early urban capitalism of the High Middle Ages in Europe was likewise a consumer of peoples. The disease ridden and insanitary cities within which nascent capitalist economies existed, could only maintain themselves by a constant influx from the countryside.

Once exploitation by the elites becomes insupportable, once a society can no longer maintain its population, it goes into crisis. The forms assumed by the crisis differ. Capitalism’s fall will not recapitulate that of Rome or the great European crisis of the 14th century. But we can see its economic effects already working themselves out.

The rate of return on capital is set by the relationship between the total property income ( economic surplus ) and the total capital stock. Corresponding to a given monetary flow of profit there is a population of millions of people whose output goes on the commodities purchased out of profits. Since money is a variable standard of value, we can express the profit rate in real terms as the ratio:

number of people working to produce the economic surplus
number of person years embodied in the capital stock

If the capital stock rises faster than the number of people producing the surplus then the rate of profit must fall. Therefore rapid accumulation of capital compared to the growth of the working population tends to depress the rate of profit. If the population stops growing or shrinks, then there is no longer any positive rate of profit compatible with capital accumulation. This process makes itself felt first in that country which traditionally had high investment rates and in which the population slowdown was most marked:

graph 5 japan profit rate
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I'm calling it

If you don't support the global masters' exterminationism you will be a larouchist. It's all so tiresome. I think they already started on .ogre
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I was thinking.

Let's say you were a rower in a big ship in the ancient times up until the 16th century.
That's pretty shitty, right?
Well, think about it: they are basically making you super fucking strong, they need to feed you well, you need to be not sick, they can't starve you, you have your rest, and the stronger you become the more valuable you are. If you go on strike during a battle, they die, and you have more chance of survival since you are the most valuable part of the ship, if you're lucky, if the galley gets captured you could even be freed. And the hell they are vaccinating you.
My conclusion is that we are fucked beyond any doubt. And also that's a good explanation why capitalists hate capitalism.
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imagine following this clown

me, a right-wing conspiracy nuts simpleton: the ruling class is ruthless, as already shown by the abundance of precedents in history, they are culling us and putting us inside a digital fence under total surveillance
you, a marxist scientific genius:

This really shows what imageboards are, because Cockshott exists only in leftypol. They are nothing but shilling places where fringes and "alternatives" get promoted by the factory of manufactured dissent, under the control of mercenary moderation and trolling.
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Cytube: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial

Hello everyone.

I'm semi back but I need some folks to run the Cytube during the trial. I have unfortunately have returned to work and now work for a state government agency. I can't be fucking off like I was previously was allowed to in a corporate environment. So I need some new care takers.

Bad news sort of related to this:

Bossignostic is gone. I haven't heard from him during our downtime.

I'll be putting up the trial today and I'll be giving some folks mod as a try out.

Cytube link: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash
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Take the Mexicanist Pill

Reject the double extremes of liquidationism and hamfisted Burgoid tailism, and become Mexican to achieve the true centrist position.


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Another UAW executive charged with stealing dues money, as union announces “re-vote” on defeated Deere contract
>Every additional indictment and conviction only confirms what workers already know, that the UAW is organized and run by an apparatus that benefits from workers’ exploitation, takes bribes from the companies and exists for the sole purpose of suppressing the class struggle.

The UAW has become the epitome of corruption and mismanagement in every respect. For this reason the buildup of independent rank and file factory and workplace committees has become a necessary act under these conditions rather then a mere proposition.
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The refugee crisis on the Polish-Belarusian border and the danger of war
>EU and NATO countries are mobilizing troops, whipping up far-right hysteria, and effectively threatening Belarus and Russia with war.

"The ruling class is responding with the tried and tested method of diverting social tensions outwards by fomenting nationalism, war propaganda and xenophobia. The brutal mistreatment of refugees at the border, followed by millions of people with shock and horror, serves to intimidate the population, accustom it to death, abolish basic democratic rights and stir up the fascist dregs of society".
Absolutely the ruling classes in Europe and elsewhere know full well that with the rise of all these contradictions back home it would make it extremely challenging for them to rule under the traditional bourgeois democratic means. For this reason they are resorting to more authoritarian tactics while at the same time using refugees as scapegoat for their own shortcomings. As far as they are concerned this is the only way that can help them to navigate this crisis without compromising their power and class privileges. In fact, these set of policies were tested during the run- up of second world war and we all know happened.
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>GET OFFLINE! Oh, not me. I got podcasting, twitch, and maybe a gaming channel
>JOIN A UNION! Oh, not me. I'm an "artisan".

There is no difference between the grifters of Matt and Vaush.
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Global Capitalism Economic Update November

It is time once again to learn how capitalism is collapsing around us Chinese capitalism is surpassing American capitalism before our very eyes:

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Who the fuck actually follows Maoism? That shit is a joke like a bad chinese translation of an instruction manual for a turkey deepfryer.
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##More than 100,000 people have had their eyes scanned for free cryptocurrency##
>Worldcoin reveals "orb" scanner, aims to distribute cryptocurrency to 1 billion people.
What is fueling all this investment in what's an obvious ponzi scheme.
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Happy October revolution to all anons across the world

Cheers~ Long live the revolutionary struggle against all tyrants and oppressors. Today is the day we celebrate the take over of Russia by the revolutionary vanguard and the death of the Tzar. Today we celebrate one of the most monumental events in all of history.
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/LeftyBritPol/ - Showdown at conference edition.

Reports are coming in from Labour list and momentum that there are preparations for a showdown at the 2021 labour conference. With Labour branches putting forward a motion to re-instate Jeremy Corbyn and transferring the ability of removal of MP's to labour members. This is the biggest internal matter Kieth Starmer has faced yet, loosing this vote at confrence threatens to majorly undermine his leadership and demostrate a left majority against his leadership within the party.

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Science summit warns of escalating pandemic disaster
>The two-day summit consisted of 22 different sessions on the pandemic, including on airborne transmission, inequities in global vaccine distribution, the effects of Long COVID and the development of new variants of SARS-CoV-2.

Great work by comrade Evan Blake, for a very clear report on the “Global Summit to End Pandemics”. The scientists involved have selflessly and conscientiously given of their time and knowledge to put forth the ways to end the current pandemic. But this is not enough. The financial elites are actually using the pandemic to increase their wealth, and to cull unwanted sections of the population. There can be no appeals made to them, human or scientific. This is a watershed moment in history. Evan is absolutely correct to state that the only section of society that truly has an interest and the ability to end the pandemic, is the world working class, educated in the science and organised under a scientific socialist program and leadership. That leadership is the International Committee of the Fourth International and its publication, the World Socialist Web site.
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Do you think we'll see less scams under socialism?
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The significance of the Democratic Party debacle on November 2
>The Democratic Party has long abandoned policies to improve the social and economic position of working people, in favor of the politics of race and gender.

Nicely encapsulated. I am sending this to all of my friends who continue to support the Democratic party. They must be made to see that their image of the Democrats as a pro-workers' party is undeserved and that whatever gains the working class once achieved prior to the 1960s are virtually all gone.
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COVID-19 must not be the “new normal”
>The perspective set forth by McKinsey & Company, speaking on behalf of the corporate-financial oligarchy, is that the coronavirus pandemic should be allowed to become “endemic.”

This article is a blatant refutation against the ruling classes who are still calling for people to live and adapt with Covid-19 virus all under the banner that the cure must not be worse then the disease itself. Their commitment to safeguard at any cost corporate profits and wealth accumulation is the reason as to why we are seeing renewed outbreaks in US, Europe and Russia. These same Capitalist governments who have done a miserable job in containing the virus are now attending Glasgow CO26 for Climate Change. What a farce.
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Thoughts? If this isn't true it sure as hell feels like it is. One of my friends has been unemployed for 3 years and still can't find a job.
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What are your opinions on Inejiro Asanuma?

Inejirō Asanuma was one of the few prominent politicians in the 1950's who was advocating for total autonomy from America and the removal of all US military bases, as well as the formation of a pan-Asian bloc to defend against foreign imperialist meddling. Otoya was (unwittingly or otherwise) doing the bidding of the US state department by icing this politician who was threatening American hegemony.

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Global COVID-19 death toll surpasses 5 million: Government policies promote mass death
>Amid the ongoing wave of mass death, governments worldwide are scrapping all remaining measures to contain or slow the spread of COVID-19, with the grotesque mantra that society must “learn to live with the virus.”

Living and dying with the virus joins a long list of similar socially destructive policies pursued by our elites.

Like living with poverty, inequality, millionaires and billionaires, global warming, deteriorating working conditions, homelessness, world hunger, war … an incomplete list but already one that is too long to live with.

Everyone of these class hostile acts is measurable in the millions and billions of human beings that suffer and die as a result. We need to do something about it. Not as individuals but as a class, as the working class. It is our only cure and it deals with all our ills.
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Stop the witch-hunt against scientist Peter Daszak!
>The Washington Post hopes that scapegoating scientists for the COVID-19 pandemic will turn attention away from the US government’s criminal “herd immunity” policies that have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.

The witch-hunt against Peter Daszak or any other respectable Scientist for that matter is intended to silence all those individuals who do not subscribe to the Wuhan lab conspiracy. In fact this is what the American bourgeois media is doing today. For the powerful forces who control the media scapegoating is essential feature for diverting the masses from their own shortcomings.
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In many ways we are letting anarchists get away with it

Why can't we dispose of anarchists once they've shut down the current government
there doing nothing but causing problems for the working class if we keep them around we need to re-educate them
what do we do comrades.
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why do you hate national socialist?

You agree on the socialism part, but what is so reprehensible about the nationalism part, or in other words, what is so alluring about the contrary, globalism?
Please explain.