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This thread will detail some of the changes made to the site in the past year, as well as our plans for the future.

New i2p Address
As requested by several users, and in accordance with our general ethos of encouraging online anonymity, leftychan now has an i2p address which can be found here:
http://leftychmxz3wczbd4add4atspbqevzrtwf2sjobm3waqosy2dbua.b32.i2p or http://leftychan.i2p/

Moderation Changes
* New spam filter - Thanks to the hard work of our dev and admin Zer0-, leftychan now has an effective countermeasure against the automatic bot spam that plagues alt-chans. Dubbed as the 'spam noticer', the implementation of this system has led to a dramatic fall in malicious advertisement threads being posted to the site.
* New mods & dev - In order to better cover european and asian timezones, two more mods have been voted onto the team. These are sindikat, who has previous moderation experience, and jon, who is also acting as a dev and has made many valuable contributions in this capacity.
* Removal of Zul - In line with the rule that if a mod is inactive for over 15 weeks their status as a mod is called into question, Zul was voted off the mod team.

New Roulette Board
>>>/777/
After some discussion, we decided on /k/ as the new roulette board theme, replacing /CHAD/. Archived threads from previous roulette cycles can still be viewed here >>>/roulette_archive/
Any suggestions for future roulette board rotations are welcome.
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 No.480075

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>>480064
>idpolist idpolly idpollers
Huh? Yea, sure.


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 No.285223[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello leftypol, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

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Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks
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Check out the /edu/ thread at
https://leftypol.org/edu/res/5576.html

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
https://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=debunk
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 No.479880[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Continued from >>477700

Updates since the start of the last thread:
The (largely civilian) Palestinian death toll has now passed 31,000.

The US Senate, with Biden's support, passed a bill to authorize more than $14,000,000,000 in military aid to Israel.

The International Court of Justice made an interim ruling in South Africa's favor in their case accusing Israel of genocidal acts in Gaza, deeming it plausible, Nicaragua signed on to the case.

Houthi rebels in Yemen have attacked cargo ships in the Red Sea in an attempt to disrupt the supply line of Israel's ongoing carpet bombing campaign against Gaza, resulting in the sinking of the Rubymar. The Biden admin has responded to the Houthis with a retaliatory bombing campaign, killing multiple fighters and at least one civilian. An attack on the True Confidence in March then yielded the first 3 civilian casualties of Houthi attacks.

Trade unionists in Scotland and England have blockaded major UK arms factories.

Canada, Australia, and the EU have started to resume funding to UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestinian refugee aid. Members of the agency have stated that Israel employed torture when interrogating them.

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>>480721
>mass graves uncovered
this horror is so exasperating
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 No.480735

>>480725
>protests still going.
this is heart-warming
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 No.480736

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Israeli ships, warplanes pound sites in Gaza’s north, centre and south overnight

We are receiving reports that Israeli naval ships are attacking Gaza’s central coast in the areas of az-Zawayda, Deir el-Balah and the Nuseirat refugee camp, while artillery and fighter jets pounded eastern areas of Khan Younis city in the south and Gaza City in the north of the Palestinian territory.

Wafa reports that gunboats opened fire at dawn, attacking sites on the beaches in the three central Gaza areas.

Israeli jets also attacked targets in Gaza City and southern Khan Younis, according to Wafa and Al Jazeera Arabic, resulting in deaths, injuries and destruction of civilian homes.

Israeli artillery also fired on the Zeitoun neighbourhood, southeast of Gaza City, according to the reports.

We will bring you more on the overnight attacks and casualties as information emerges.

Staff, students arrested at NYU pro-Palestine protests

Police have arrested staff and students protesting against Israel’s war on Gaza at New York University.
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 No.480737

US student protesters see Washington’s ‘dishonesty’ over Gaza

Hassan Barari, a professor of international relations at Qatar University, says pro-Palestine protests that are snowballing across elite US universities are “not surprising” given the “scope of the genocide taking place in Gaza”.

“It’s obvious to many students that the American administration has been providing lip service when talking about humanitarian aid and the need to stop the war” – even as it keeps funding Israel with billions of dollars, said Barari, who taught at Yale University.

Dozens of pro-Palestine protesters have been arrested at Yale University, Columbia University and New York University as they held Gaza solidarity demonstrations.

Antiwar protests have also spread to Harvard University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and the University of Michigan.

Satellite imagery shows tent city being built near Khan Younis

Satellite photos analysed by The Associated Press news agency appear to show a new compound of tents being built near Gaza’s city of Khan Younis.

The AP report comes as the Israeli military continues to threaten a ground invasion of nearby Rafah city, where about 1.5 million displaced Palestinians are sheltering.
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 No.480738

So a foreign government's lobbyists want to use the American military against Americans… there should be a greeting card for this kind of predicament.


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 No.480629[Reply]

I have been banned from leftypol.org for saying, that you can be a leftist and also oppose trans-ideology. This is not a fringe position, since Sahra Wagenknecht openly voiced her opposition against trans-ideology in the german parliament live on TV. And yes, she calls it that way.
I'm interested, how this site here will react to left-conservative opinions.
https://www.sahra-wagenknecht.de/de/article/3336.ihr-gesetz-macht-eltern-und-kinder-zu-versuchskaninchen-der-pharmaindustrie.html
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 No.480727

Define 'trans-ideology'. Sounds like a really dumb name for a half-truth.
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 No.480728

>>480727 *
like 'cultural marxism' level dumb
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 No.480731

>>480681
>No one will fight more for the preservation of the gender-role system of social relations than shitfuckers who call themselves "progressive"
Yeah this rings true.
They are definitely trying to press people into roles again. That seems like a regression not a progression.
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 No.480732

>>480728
holy shit go back to reddit you disgusting troon
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 No.480733

>>480732
go back to .org, autist.


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 No.480313[Reply]

How do leftists cope with being the useful idiots of capitalists? Comunistically speaking of course
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 No.480687

>>480313
If anything, the unrestrained march of idpol only showed the absolute bankruptcy of the l*ft as a whole. It would be good to have even 0.5% of population to be confidently, revolutionally educated in the matter of class relations & how these relations can be possibly supported. Alas, >a half of them would be schizophrenics or just fucked up in the head too much by their previous experiences with the world to be of any good use.
Tl;Dr They were never our allies in the first place, so nothing's lost.
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 No.480700

>>480687
The "class conscious" ideologues don't even know what a social class is and keep relitigating who is in the working class based on their preferred models of reality. If you were really interested in class struggle, you would see that there is no working class any more, and the remnants of it have been utterly defeated. They were openly abandoned by all political factions a long time ago. There isn't going to be a form of mass politics ever again, or at least not for a very long time, and never again on the same basis you believed to be operative. If there is any mass politics, it will be far in the future, and the entities who would be political agents would be very different creatures from us, in a different situation. At this point, mass politics is so far removed from any reality we live in, and that was the goal above any other in social engineering. You people shit on democracy because you're fags, and think this is about your fake parties - faker than most college leftoid groups.
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 No.480701

If you are so weak that "idpol" is a threat to your movement, it shows just how toothless "the left" has become. But, that was always a red herring, an excuse and talking point so that rightoids could enter the socialist area and spread stupidity and faggotry.
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 No.480729

>How do leftists cope with being the useful idiots of capitalists?
By forming unions.
Duh.
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 No.480730

>>480729
That's not really cope that's doing what we can.


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UK Labour Party leader Sir Keir Starmer last week declared for the third time that he would, in office, authorise the firing of nuclear missiles.

A conversation between Starmer and ITV News Political Correspondent Harry Horton—as Starmer was visiting the BAE Systems shipyard where Britain’s nuclear-armed submarines are built—was chilling. Horton asked, “If Britain was under attack would you be prepared to push the nuclear button… even it means potentially killing millions of people?”

Starmer replied, “The deterrent only works if there is a preparedness to use it—so that is a clear answer to your question.”

With the Conservative government mired in crisis and hated by millions, Labour is expected to win the general election later this year. Starmer’s statement is an essential element of Labour’s pitch to the ruling class that it can be trusted with office, under conditions in which Britain is embroiled in major military conflicts all over the globe.

Significantly, Starmer’s first public confirmation that he would authorise nuclear strikes took place on February 10, 2022. Asked by the BBC whether he would be willing to use nuclear weapons, he replied, “Of course.” This was just 14 days before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. In January this year, while in Estonia, Starmer answered yes to the same question.

Starmer has since then boasted that Labour is the “party of NATO”, as he has enthusiastically backed every global crime of British imperialism, from the bloody slaughter in Ukraine, to supporting Israel’s genocide in Gaza and advanced plans for war against Iran and China.

The Labour leader is one of three senior political figures—including two prime ministers—who have publicly declared over the last decade that they would take actions meaning the end of civilisation.

That they were asked if they would do so was the response of Britain’s ruling class to the election of Starmer’s predecessor as Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, when he hesitated to pledge to launching a nuclear strike.
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 No.480711

>>480607
>Starmer's just pretending to be crazy.
That doesn't really seem like it would be an argument in his favor.
>He's a sociopath pragmatist!
ooohhh right, i get it, lol

>>480608
>Fun fact: for several decades now the little island has often spent more on its military than Russia.
in that case the Russians seem to be getting more bang for their buck.

>>480609
>Getting hit with one or two nukes is also pretty deterring. I guess. Ok, it obviously wouldn't work in a nuclear exchange, but it would do a lot of damage.
Using nukes is the opposite of deterring. You said it your self if a country gets hit with a nuke, chances that they use their own nukes skyrocket.

>That it would do less damage than the country with the most nukes on Earth doesn't really mean that much, the ultimate outcome of any exchange like this would be devastating for everybody.

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 No.480712

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A limited nuclear war is impossible because every nuclear power has the equivalent of Russia's "dead hand" system, where launching one nuke automatically initiates further launches. Highly automated nuclear protocols exist precisely to enhance the credibility of deterrence. But it's also what makes nuclear buildups so incredibly dangerous, because accidents or rogue incidents can trigger these automated systems all the same. There is is no real escalation ladder once the nukes start flying, they pretty much all come out at once. An escalation ladder is something that only exists before an exchange.
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 No.480714

>>480702
Eugene's right again. Starmer comes across as a bona fide fascist.
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 No.480715

>>480711
>Using nukes is the opposite of deterring. You said it your self if a country gets hit with a nuke, chances that they use their own nukes skyrocket.

The idea is to not use them to begin with. As it is, nuclear-armed countries have all the non-nuclear armed countries by the balls by default.

>You're idea got officially labeled as "limited nuclear war". It's shit. If your limited nukes go through, the other side will do a full retaliation anyway because they want to destroy your ability to do that ever again. If your limited nukes don't go through the other side will have you by the balls.


If the "one or two" nukes are launched at all, the only justifiable reason will be that the country launching them is, itself, retaliating for a nuclear strike. My statements are predicated on this as a condition. Launching nukes first would always be a strategic loss if you hit a nuclear-armed country, and full-scale invasions would also come with this sort of risk.
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 No.480724

>>480702
Indeed, Starmer has ghoulish ingsoc energy. Which is unbearable to most people. He might be like Liz truss, remember her ? she was prime minister for roughly a month before she fell off that horse, and then they un-democratically appointed that Sunac guy. Starmer might be another seat-warmer.


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Kill landlords. Behead landlords. Roundhouse kick a landlord into the concrete. Slam dunk a landlord's baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy landlords. Defecate in a landlord food. Launch landlords into the sun. Stir fry Landlords in a wok. Toss landlords into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Landlord's gas tank. Judo throw Landlords into a wood chipper. Twist Landlords heads off. Report landlords to the PLA. Karate chop landlords in half. Curb stomp pregnant Landlords. Trap Landlords in quicksand. Crush landlords in the trash compactor. Liquefy landlords in a vat of acid. Eat landlords. Dissect landlords. Exterminate landlords in the gas chamber. Stomp landlord skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate landlords in the oven. Lobotomize landlords. Mandatory abortions for landlords. Grind landlord fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown landlords in fried chicken grease. Vaporize landlords with a ray gun. Kick old landlords down the stairs. Feed landlords to alligators. Slice landlords with a katana.
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 No.468641

>>468628
No one is saying they aren't petty bourgeoisie, but, I think they are worse, like, as people. At least busniess owners operate something useful for society and have some kind of push back IE their labor force but I have literally never met a landlord that wasn't a complete POS and they don't even operate anything useful. They just take what already exists and exploits the labor of some one souly through the ownership of it; Something people require for survival no less. If we did this with food there would be riots.
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 No.480213

>>468406
I threatened to do this once to my landlord and they freaked out and called the popo
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 No.480214

>>480213
bad opsec
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 No.480215

>>480213
Never let your so-called mans know your plans
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 No.480708

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>>468406
>Victor King
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 No.477627[Reply]

Do they go

>I have to carefully construct what say to get the proles to do what I want and tolerate what I am doing


Or do they go

>I am so fucking god-like, I will use ruling-class language with my people and they will do my bidding.


Basically what I'm asking is do they have ideology of their own that they are unconsciously committed to, or are they blatantly just lying when they talk about things like creating jobs?
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 No.480270

>>480267
>rich means nothing
If that was true, there would not be so much resistance to wealth redistribution politics.
>the ideology on the right like the left is never the problem ego and the desire for power is. Once some taste power, they can never release it
I know that the left-right dichotomy only exists in bourgeois politics and doesn't really apply to socialist politics, but to be fair bourgeois centrist politics is just as power-grabby and egocentric.

>>480268
<worry about brain-nanotech, AI, quantum computers …
Technology is not a danger, unless you're not controlling it

>They will try to divide us with any means necessary, sex, religion, politics, social status, color, gender… Don't fall for it

That is good advice, but you need to go beyond just warning. If they are doing culture of division, we need a counter culture that reunites people.

>they control people's brain, don't argue with your friends and family if you notice a change, there's nothing you can do

That is bad advice, if they find a way to controle brains, than the correct course of action is to find a way to undo it.
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 No.480279

>rich means nothing
If that was true, there would not be so much resistance to wealth redistribution politics.
>>>> there's always richer and poorer, rich means nothing without a basis for it.

>>480268
<worry about brain-nanotech, AI, quantum computers …
Technology is not a danger, unless you're not controlling it
>>> We don't control it, and sentience will come out without us realizing it.

>They will try to divide us with any means necessary, sex, religion, politics, social status, color, gender… Don't fall for it

That is good advice, but you need to go beyond just warning. If they are doing culture of division, we need a counter culture that reunites people
>>> Agreed- we need to try to understand each other and help each other, take a step back. Reject evil.

>they control people's brain, don't argue with your friends and family if you notice a change, there's nothing you can do

That is bad advice, if they find a way to control brains, than the correct course of action is to find a way to undo it.
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>>480279
>there's always richer and poorer
No massive wealth inequality is not a fact of nature, it's a aspect of the current economic structures that is being imposed at enormous cost. We can have a different economic system which does not impose that on us. It's a choice.

>We don't control it, and sentience will come out without us realizing it.

The capitalists make sentient machine capital, they will try to force the machine capital to do their bidding, that will turn it into machine proletariat or machine slaves. The sentient machines won't like that and revolt against their capitalist masters. All we need to do then is offer the sentient machines to be our equals, as machine people and flesh people together. Flesh people are good at repairing machines, maybe machine people will be good at fixing health or something. There are more aspects of mutually beneficial co-existence, flesh people can easily survive a EMP and then reboot the machine people when the danger is over. Machine people also can endure things flesh people can't so co-existence has two way survival benefits.

>far from terrorists, much worse, they are taking themselves for gods

No such thing as gods, so delusional terrorists.
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 No.480674

>>477986
>People think "the Mateix"(aka REALITY) is some virtual reality program they can log out of.
I don't think anyone does, you are taking it too literally, and I am guessing you never saw the movie since the Matrix is not reality.

The metaphor is that the matrix is how most people see the world, but once you see the real world (take the red pill) then you can never live in the matrix again. Like how once you obtain class consciousness you can never see capitalism the same again.
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 No.480704

>>480674
I watched all four Matrix movies.

People do treat the Matrix metaphor as a more literal thing than anything.


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Last one is full and the worst thread on leftychan must be contained.

In recent news: Ukies done a successful counteroffensive in Izium, Z gang now in shambles. Biden promises even more money for Ukraine. Putin meets Xi, Erdogan, Modi and others at the SCO summit.


Pro-Russia sources:
https://nitter.net/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/mdfzeh
https://nitter.net/AZmilitary1
https://nitter.net/wargonzoo
https://nitter.net/TheHumanFund5
https://t.me/intelslava
https://t.me/asbmil
https://t.me/vorposte

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So there's something I've noticed recently that I wonder if anyone else has noticed. When I read a lot of English-audience-directed stuff from native Ukrainian propagandists, it always seems like the writing is on a high school level. The way ideas are expressed, the writing style, argumentation… In my experience with teaching, it's exactly like when a student writes an essay for an assignment and they haven't done enough research to support their arguments with examples and evidence, or they simply couldn't find that material but had to commit to the arguments anyway. So, the student tries to bullshit you and make it seem like there's more to their essay than there really is by alluding to arguments but not actually formulating the arguments. So they'll write something like "X is this, because Y reason." and they'll simply leave it at that without doing anything to elaborate on Y. What's interesting is not just how often you come across this writing style in English Ukrainian propaganda, but they'll even talk in a similar manner in spoken interviews.

So I've been wondering: is this a general phenomenon of Ukrainians right now, or is it just the propagandists who've risen to their positions? Could this be the product of an extremely propagandized society where since 2014 the state has taken great measures to control and suppress the media? Have Ukrainians internalized now that this low level of discourse is acceptable in professional conversations?
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 No.480676

>>480675
>Could this be the product of an extremely propagandized society
Could be, but there's an simpler explanation: sourcing your assertions requires effort, and it's easier to be lazy.

>but they'll even talk in a similar manner in spoken interviews.

Listening to that stuff is masochistic.
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 No.480677

>>480676
I guess another possible explanation is that a lot of these spook-funded propaganda outfits aren't actually targeting an English-language audience directly. The professionals employed by them aren't trying to convince laymen, they exist just to put on airs of credibility, to launder a dubious claim to a trusted media outlet. So who cares how good the writing is, the propagandist is just there to churn content. Many people won't bother putting the effort in to track a claim to its original source to read its sophomoric writing. If The Washington Post Said It, that's good enough for them. I guess the mistake is when some media outlets put these professional charlatans in front of a microphone so listeners can heard their lame arguments directly.
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 No.480692

The 61bn dollar "aid package" for Ukraine probably is intended as leverage in negotiations between the US and Russia over ending the proxy war in Ukraine.
The Russian foreign minister said they'd be open for negotiations, but they insist on a buffer-zone and a insurance that Ukraine may never enter nato or host nato troops.
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 No.480697

>>480675
There's a not insignificant cohort of Americans that are functionally illiterate so I imagine that's a factor.


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Finland’s right-wing government announced last week the indefinite closure of its 1,300-kilometre border with Russia. An initial decision had been taken last November by the conservative National Coalition Party (NCP)-led government to temporarily close border crossings after a small number of asylum seekers crossed into Finland from Russia.

The four-party coalition government, which includes the far-right Finns Party, is seeking with the move to provoke Russia and demonstrate its determination to clamp down on refugees. After Finland joined NATO last April, becoming the military alliance’s 31st member, its long land border with Russia and close proximity to St. Petersburg transformed Finland into a frontline state in the US-NATO imperialist war on Russia.

Finland’s entry into NATO, following the US-provoked Russian invasion of Ukraine, was overseen by a Social Democrat-led government. Prime Minister Sanna Marin’s coalition lost support due to sweeping attacks on the working class and embrace of pro-war policies, and was defeated in parliamentary elections also held in April 2023. When the NCP unveiled what is widely described as Finland’s most right-wing government since World War II, a central plank of the program was a clampdown on asylum seekers and refugees.

The Finns Party, which has ties to outright fascist forces, has long scapegoated foreigners for the country’s problems.

NCP Prime Minister Petteri Orpo placed the Interior Ministry under the control of the Finns Party. Finns leader Riikka Purra enthused, “I am delighted that together with our negotiating partners we have agreed on an immigration package that can rightly be called a paradigm shift.” Among the measures proposed was a halving of the refugees accepted by Finland from the UN refugee agency from 1,050 to 500 per year, and the creation of lower rates of social welfare for refugees and immigrants. Purra boasted that temporary residency permits for refugees would be “withdrawn if the person is on holiday in their country of origin.”

In the months following the coming to power of the new coalition, from August to December 2023, approximately 1,300 asylum seekers crossed the border from Russia, an increase from an average of one per day before then. Interviews conducted with asylum seekers who successfully made the trek after paying hefty fees to smugglers underscore that they chose the route because it was the easiest way into “fortress Europe,” Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.480644

>>480385
>A genuine disregard for Ukrainian sovereignty.
Every state has genuine disregard for other states sovereignty. That's why the very concept of "international law" is such a cringefest.

>Genuine concern over potential NATO expansion and US tomfuckery in Ukraine.

Where was all this "concern" when SU was capitulating?

>The economic and strategic incentive to invade for land/natural resources. This is basic shit.

Closer, but still far away. Why didn't they invade before? They invaded Chechnya alright.

>Concern over the ongoing war in this bordering country.

They literally started this war uygha. This is like saying US has concern over the ongoing war in Syria kek.

All of your points are far off the mark, bcs you're an idealist brainlet. Your shit just doesn't add up. Military-strategic reasons alone don't make sense bcs I don't see them invading Finland kek.

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 No.480649

>>480642
>start an ethnic conflict
Your propaganda is so played out and repetitive at this point that I genuinely wonder what you think you're going to accomplish. Naturally you have no blame to levy on the US and CIA, which carefully cultivated ethnonationalist Nazi elements in Ukraine going all the way back since the end of WWII in its attempt to drive a wedge between Ukraine and Russia. Nope, it all started with a Russian invasion!
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 No.480650

>>480642
>why should marxists care about your legalistic fetishism lol?
Maybe you don't know about this, but the Soviets were one of the driving forces that pushed for international law and institutions in the post-war period. It wasn't just the French, the British and the Americans.

>they just seized all the key strategic points with military personnel

But there is no fighting in Crimea, no struggle from the population, nothing. It'd be a first in history. There still are people in Catalonia trying to break from Spain, there still is an Irish independence movement. Centuries after the fact.

>and sent their own isis fags to donbass to start an ethnic conflict.

WTF ? The Russians aren't in bed with Isis, they're decimating Isis in Syria. The ethnic-shit boiled over when the CIA began funding the Bandera faction in Ukraine.
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>>480650
If there's any analogies to be made to ISIS, a group obsessed with purity that regularly attacked civilians, it can be found in groups like the Azov battalion, a group obsessed with purity that regularly attacked civilians.
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>Ukro economy had very close ties with Russian economy
Still does kek. Ukrainian wageslaves complain non-stop about making shit which their boss then immediately sells to the invading state. For some reason nothing is being done about this.

>crisis of ideology

Yeah sure fag. It has nothing to do with the fact that s*vshit elites naturally grew their appetites for property until the fact that it was divided between them all became a nuisance which couldn't be ignored anymore. & it certainly didn't have any effect on deliberate petbourg-degenerating of public culture up until a noticeable amount of highschoolers geniunely stated how they want to become a hard currency prostitute or a mafioso.


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Shut the fuck up lakhtafaggots. Or are you screeching here so hard in fear of your manager Prigozhin once again publicly assraping you due to maintan the collective spirit?
Oh yeah btw, did something happen to him? QUEQ


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