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 No.285223[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello leftypol, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

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Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks
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Check out the /edu/ thread at
https://leftypol.org/edu/res/5576.html

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
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 No.453382

>>452087
>The ideas portrayed by this board only get traction among the "educated"
It is easier to train a smart dog.


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 No.452463

>>451697
>wheen yo in da hood


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 No.449782[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

A vote has passed in the congress to establish a right wing debate general to argue against right wing talking points and keep them from leaking out onto the rest of the board. From this point on all right wing discussion points should be confined to this thread and this thread will be used for debunking them and generally punching rightoids in the dick. All right wing nonsense posted outside of this thread will be subject to a deletion hence forth if deemed necessary.
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 No.453406

>>453397
>why aren't you guys based nazbol yet?
Because it isn't a thing you terminally online retard. Stop getting your politics from memes and actually read Marx rather then jamming incompatible political and economic theories together.


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 No.453433[Reply]

Neonchan. Open 24/7.
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**New threads must have a minimum of 100 characters.

Adding junk to increase your character count will result in deletion and a possible ban.**


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 No.453182[Reply]

Whats your thought on the Kyle Rittenhouse trial?
Me personally? I cannot wait for the burger butthurt and riots. No matter the outcome, the amount of bloodshed this will cause will be good fodder for my boredom
Thoughts, leftychads?
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 No.453415

>>453235
>Grosskreutz
>Rosenbaum
So, a large cross and a rose bush. lmao is this a rosicrucian op?
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 No.453416

Rittenhouse actually shot white dudes, and the media left out that fact to stoke ethnic tensions.
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 No.453422

>>453216

Wrong. Whether you take a legalistic approach or a principled proletarian one, all claims of "self-defense" by Shittenhouse are invalid.

From a military legal worker, Larry Knight:
"I'm seeing a lot of ignorance and misinformation flying around about what happened in Kenosha, and I'm going to set the record straight from a professional legal position… as well as from a former military position. I'm going to explain some things from a more technical angle derived from my many years as a paralegal and from my experience working in federal criminal justice and prosecution.
Legally, if you are in the process of a commission of a crime, it negates your ability to claim self defense if you kill someone. As in, it can't even be entered as your official defense in court. It is similar to getting rear-ended at a red light through zero fault of your own, but you were driving without a license or insurance. It automatically makes you at fault because you weren't even legally allowed to be driving.
That 17 year old in Kenosha had committed two crimes and was not even legally allowed to open carry the rifle he used to shoot three people. This means that he legally cannot claim self defense.
Another key discussion is the Castle Doctrine. Some of you may be vaguely familiar with it, as it is what allows you to use deadly force when someone comes into your house unlawfully, etc. But there are some finer points most people don't realize that you generally have to do some formal legal studies to know.
First, as soon as someone sets foot inside the threshold of your home uninvited that you believe intends to commit a crime, you can legally use deadly force and it is immediately considered self defense, even if they haven't made any violent threats or actions towards harming you.
This is because in every instance outside your home, you are required to retreat and extricate yourself from a dangerous situation if possible. It is a legal mandate, not a suggestion. Your home is considered the final retreat point, and legally you should be safe in your "Castle." There is nowhere else to retreat to, etc. This is why you are able to immediately use deadly force.
However, it is NOT to protect your property, it is for protecting your LIFE. And once the burglar, for instance, has left your home… the threat to your life isPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.453426

>>453422
Interesting post, thanks for explaining that stuff like the Castle Doctrine.

But didn't he try to run away before shooting anybody ?
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 No.453432

>>453383
>The right to peacefully protest in America has effectively been criminalised by this pseudo-judicial ruling.
Good. The emphasis on peaceful is an american bourne disease that leaves us better for dying.


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 No.420625[Reply]

Can some anon explain me what's the deal with bordiga and fascism? Why did he call Stalin an crypto-bourgeoisie while had call Hitler and Mussolini proletariat-revolutionaires?
What was his problem with democracy?
Is he the proof of horseshoe theory by going too much left to the point that siding with fascists?
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 No.446247

I hate uyghurs
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 No.446251

>>420682
>admit to never having read fascist source material.
The futurist manifesto is pretty much the only fascist source material you pedantic moron, fascists are retards dominated by their emotions without a coherent ideology anyway, astrology makes more sense
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>>446251
Mussolini published heavily as a socialist. 'Fascism' was just a rebranding to appeal to the conservatives.
And no, you can't find his work in English because it'll ruin the narrative. The fact is that Fascism is crypto-communism.
>>421173
Marx would laugh at you for taking his word as gospel.
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 No.453421

>>453419
>just a rebranding
Mussolini's actions say otherwise
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 No.453429

<For Bordiga, the concept of ‘fatherland’ was by definition anti-socialist and a defensive war on its behalf inconceivable. In September, in an article in Il Socialista on ‘Avanti and the war’, he addressed Mussolini's attitude openly, criticising the ambiguity of the line he had taken on the war in the party’s newspaper.
<The ‘Manifesto against the War’ by the leadership and the parliamentary group of the party was published soon after, of which Mussolini claimed authorship. However, a few days later Mussolini’s famous article on 'active and operative neutrality' appeared in Avanti and which led the party to dismiss him as editor. Bordiga responded to Mussolini’s article with an editorial in Il Socialista entitled 'For an active and operative antimilitarism'. In it he wrote of the ambiguity of the concept of ‘neutrality’:
'<The neutrality concept has for subject not socialists, but the State. We want the State to remain neutral with regard to the war, absolutely, until the end, whatever happens. In order to achieve this we act upon the State, against it, in the field and with the means of the class struggle. So we do not want to disarm. Our war is a permanent war.'
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 No.453410[Reply]

Will Latin America be able to form it's own political and economic block ?
They are trying to build political organization and economic cooperation between regional countries that is independent of the US, via political initiative
Is this going to work ? I'm asking because in the past blocks of this type have formed around heavy industry, transportation and military pacts.
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 No.453414

bump


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is so cringe. I can't understand how anyone takes them seriously. I went to a fascist political discussion subreddit called /r/discuss_government and it had some of the dumbest fucking posts i've ever seen being taken seriously. Browsing places like /r/monarchism and other right wing subreddits makes me think its almost trolling. I dunno.
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 No.453298

>>453179

Lmao. Those people are getting raided by anarchists now.
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 No.453379

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>>453179
>Fascists discussing politics is so cringe. I can't understand how anyone takes them seriously.
The modern left hates straight white men so where else do you expect them to go when the system fails them?
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 No.453387

>>453379
The left does not hate "white people" you absolute idiot. I can't remember the part where Marx said "hate the white man" or other dumb shit like that.

But hey, I'm quite sure you are to deep in your fascistic pov that nothing that we will say would change your mind, so just go back to pol to complain about blacks, or de joos, or black jews ruining your way or life or whatever. Loser :^)
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 No.453394

>>453179
thats cos national socialism fascism are for fucking retarded cattle
so is communism unless all people join it volountarily if its not volountary you get north korea clones with lots of unnecessary suffering deaths and injustice
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 No.453398

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>>453394
The democratic republic of Korea is the way it is because of US foreign policy of overthrowing governments they don't like. North Korea also has a success story to tell, their citizens are not subjected to war. Their are many countries in the world right now that are not able to protect their citizens like that.

The idea that we can't have communism until everybody agrees is stupid, do you really think all those capitalist billionaires would ever give up their privilege to plunder the world and exploit its people, willingly ? Capitalism is torturing billions of workers with exploitation, every year 10s of millions of people are murdered with systemic violence, hundreds of thousands to millions more are destroyed with physical violence. Once all those people had enough of the despair, the suffering, the political disenfranchisement, the pointless toiling for the rich, the pointless dying… and they establish a system that works for the masses, it will be justice. And you don't get to judge the means by which this is achieved, unless you can do better and lead by example. Because the system as it is now sure as hell is not based on voluntarism.

You would be telling the people being slaughtered by fascism in WW2, that if they defend them self it's not justice unless all the Nazis agree with it.

Most communists and socialists have as personal characteristic, a strong sense of moral principle, and you are a liberal trying to use that against us.


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Previous thread ( >>210868 ) hit bump limit.

We scientific (STEM) socialism here.

READING
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
For a complete reading list, see: https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2020/05/01/two-reading-lists/

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Cockshott's Blogs
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 No.452551

NEW COCKSHOTT VIDEO

https://youtu.be/THRNVGVK88w
Turing computers… again
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 No.452559

>>452551










pls embed (top of the page)
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NEW VIDEO

from Cockshott

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KomcVwC40h4

Against Machism
Mach was the most significant opponent of materialism in the late 19th century. This examines why his arguments were wrong even then, and how Einstein's papers in 1905 defeated Mach's position on the non-existence of atoms.
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 No.453351


The UK mixed economy before and after
An account of 150 years of UK economy.
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 No.453396

Interview after oligarchy


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 No.453337[Reply]

Capitalism, drives half the population to poverty and despair, but subsequently finds that it is ultimately unable to reproduce the workers on whom it depends.

The USA, and now the UK are already showing declines in life expectancy. Deaths due to poisoning, suicide, liver disease. The afflictions of poverty and despair take an increasing toll

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A large part, the poisoning line in Figure 5, is caused by the deliberate promotion of opiate addiction. From the East India Company pushing Opium to the Chinese in the 1840s, the Bayer company selling over the counter Heroin as a ‘cure’ for morphine in 1895 to Purdue Pharmacy aggressively launching Oxycontin in 1995, companies have seen addicts as a secure source of income. The ‘legitimate’ drug firms open the doors to addiction, which is then further exploited by the black capitalism of the illegal drugs rings. The profits are then laundered via blue chip banks like HSBC in the City of London, a bank that was founded from the profits of the Opium trade to China.

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graph 3 Russian birthrate post Soviet

Along with rising death rates you can see in the former USSR a collapse in the birth rate so that more people die than are born to replace them. As wage shares decline, it becomes impossible for families to survive on one income. The pressure to work more, the pressure to acquire qualifications for work, the shortage of affordable family houses, the lack of affordable childcare causes women to delay or abandon having children.

More and more people stay single and give up the hope of having a family. The effect was most dramatic where capitalism was suddenly imposed but the pattern of births falling below deaths spreads across the capitalist world. The effect has gone furthest in Japan where for 2017, 946,000 babies were born but 1.34 million people died, with the decline of the population reaching 394,000 in a single year. In 2018 it looks as if the shortfall in births to deaths will be more like half a million people. As Figure 6 shows this trend of a failure of capitalist societies to reproduce their populations is spreading.
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 No.453349

How much usable labor is capital actually interested in exploiting though? Are human bodies that useful to it past the age of 60?
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 No.453350

>>453349
What a strange question.
If we optimized all the variables, humans could live 120 years and have about 80 years worth of productive lifespan.
One of these variables that would be optimized is that people would not be exploited by capitalists.
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 No.453377

>>453350
>If we optimized all the variables, humans could live 120 years and have about 80 years worth of productive lifespan.
Why would "capitalists" be against this?
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 No.453388

>>453377
dude read the rest of the comment, people ain't gonna live that long, if they're being exploited for profit.


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