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 No.453989[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

For breaking news, political developments, etc. especially from Lefty sources.

wsws spammer – post here or get fucked
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 No.455489



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 No.285223[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello leftypol, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

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Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks
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Check out the /edu/ thread at
https://leftypol.org/edu/res/5576.html

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
https://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=debunk
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 No.449782[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

A vote has passed in the congress to establish a right wing debate general to argue against right wing talking points and keep them from leaking out onto the rest of the board. From this point on all right wing discussion points should be confined to this thread and this thread will be used for debunking them and generally punching rightoids in the dick. All right wing nonsense posted outside of this thread will be subject to a deletion hence forth if deemed necessary.
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 No.454973

>>454970
The first quote is from Value, Price, and Profit, my apologies.


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 No.455564[Reply]

Roe vs Wade and precedent: An autistic perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-QX2CBkCBA

And yes, an autistic genocide is likely enough that we should be very conscious of it. It's especially plausible considering that climate change will reduce global food supply and stability while the world population is rising. Moreover, the propaganda from Autism Speaks, and, more broadly, the autism awareness movement, mean that in the case of genocide or mass eugenics, Autistic people will be targeted far more than anyone else.
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 No.455593

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>>455564
Based post. What are your thoughts on autistic nationalism/autistic separatism? Or autists creating maroon communities innawoods at high elevations (defensible geography) for self-defense against a future Nazi-style totalitarian state that uses all these DNA projects/Autism Speaks stuff to track down and hunt autistic people for elimination? Kinda like the Seminole native tribes did in the USA deep South back in the 1800's?
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 No.455594

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>>455593
This sounds based and comfy.
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 No.455597

>>455593
You want to concentrate people marked for destruction all in one place, won't that make it easier to round them all up ?
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 No.455602

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>>455597
>all in one place
Many places, autists are worldwide, so the autistic nationalists/separatists of every country/region would be presumably organizing maroon communities at whichever place in or close to their region has the best defensible geography (forests, mountains, deep bayou swamps). Ever seen the movie Free State of Jones? picrel
>won't that make it easier to round them all up ?
Not sure if I made it clear but, autistic nationalism/autistic separatism would imply armed self defense.
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 No.455611

>>455602
Creating a special nation for specific people means displacing other people, like what the Zionists are doing to the Palestinians.
That is not a practical solution because it means bloody conflict for the next 200 years.

Nation building is hard, risky, bloody and you can't start a nation on the basis of an identity. I think national identities form as a result of nation states. You can't start with an identity and build a state around it. You have cause and effect confused. The Zionists didn't base Israel on a Jewish national identity, they based it on the fact that the British empire wanted a foothold in the middle east and needed people to operate it.

If eugenics is threatening to make a comeback it would be easier to just slaughter the eugenicists. Erase the Erasers. Stop the cycle of bloodshed at the source, before it even begins.


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 No.454510[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Ukraine's Thread, for fuck's sake
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 No.455605

>>455601
>handful of nazis

they literally make up 20% of the standing army, kek.
Also, russia wouldn't have to invade if the US could stop being imperialistic.
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 No.455606

Fucking Ztards.
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 No.455607

>>455605
Lol okay Putin
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 No.455608

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>>455599
Of course.
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 No.455609

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>>455601
Seethe.


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 No.454209[Reply]

I think the conflict between Russia, Ukraine and the United States is going to turn into another Syria-esk conflict that divides the left pretty heavily. I want to be clear, the correct stance to take a stance against Ukraine and it's NATO alliance with the united states.

I don't necessarily care if you support Russia or don't support Russia. Russia is basically a theocratic totalitarian state at this point but when NATO was created in the late 80's an agreement of not moving "one inch to the east" was part of the compromise between the USA and the USSR. Since then how many other eastern bloc countries have joined NATO? It's plain and simple Ukraine joining NATO is an obvious act of aggression by the United States. Further more the Ukrainian military are basically ethno nationalists at this point. The military is infected with em.

Hands off Ukraine!
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 No.455584

>>455581
soviet union invaded finnish nazis though (anti-communist, 'whites')
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 No.455585

>>455581
suck my dick, bitch
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 No.455590

>>455585
Fuck you.
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 No.455595

>>455590
seethe
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 No.455600

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>>455581
>Russian media didn't give a damn about these "fascist forces" until February
Lol the western media admitted that Ukraine had a Nazi problem until February.

>What the fuck do you mean "both-side-ism" workers across the globe have been hurt by the outbreak of war whether by the sanctions in Russia or the increase in gas prices also because of sanctions.

The war broke out 2014 when the US regime changed Ukraine. Lets face it the US started this shit.
And the US is also the one that is pushing these sanctions that are causing inflation.

>The Soviet Union has not existed for decades and last time I checked.they were never a reactionary imperialist empire like Russia is today.

The Soviets were much more active in deterring NATO aggression then the Russian federation, and they were not shy about dispensing military force. Russia is not an empire in the Marxist sense, because Russia is a predominantly commodity exporting country in the semi periphery of the imperial system.

>Russia was in no danger from whatever "Nazi" boogyman you'll slurp up from Russian media.

Russia actually lost the propaganda battle. This hole shit is a proxy war between Russia and the US, the Ukrainian fascists are the proxy forces of the US. Russia was in danger of the US setting up a NATO foothold in Ukraine. As a thorn in the side of Russia that could have weakened it to the point where Russia could risk balkanization. Think about the effect that Israel is having in the middle east, by acting as an US force proxy.

>Important to remember the Soviet Union did not invade the Nazis first the Nazis invaded them

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 No.453509[Reply]

If Assange is handed over to the US, they are going to murder him.

If he is to survive, there is a pressing need to get him released or help him escape.
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 No.453513

>>453509
I've never used wikileaks but why didn't they just do shit anonymously on the dark net or something? How did he think leaking sensitive shit like that won't get him killed?

Also what were some of the more interesting cables they ever released?
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 No.453514

>>453510
We care about this journalist because he fought for our freedom

>>453513
>I've never used wikileaks but why didn't they just do shit anonymously on the dark net or something?
Uh, journalists publish things to inform the general public

>How did he think leaking sensitive shit like that won't get him killed?

What do you mean sensitive ? There are no secrecy laws that cover crimes like the ones that were uncovered by Assange.
You'd expect the guys responsible for the war crimes to be prosecuted not the people who found out about it.
what the hell ?

>Also what were some of the more interesting cables they ever released?

I don't know, just go have a look. From what i have heard they seem to be surprisingly rude in tone. Might be fun.
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 No.453515

He already had his "stroke", now wait for the "heart attack"
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 No.455572

If the US government wants him dead than fuck he's dead lol nothing I can do about it.
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 No.455596

>>455572
bootlicker


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 No.455169[Reply]

How should we best ban alcohol from society? It is clear that alcohol is harmful to personal health and the abuse of alcohol seems to be greater than the economic benefits of it's normal consumption.
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 No.455587

>>455309
>We ban lots of harmful substances throughout the world and for very good reason
yet you take vaccines i bet lol
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 No.455588

>>455430
>lets ban everything
they did it with corona con
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 No.455589

>>455503
>the cnn talking about brain shrinkage
the irony
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 No.455591

We can not even stand up to our bosses yet OP is talking about banning alcohol, get your reality straightened out.
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 No.455592

>>455503
From your very own article
>However, the study left a number of questions unanswered, such as a person's cognitive engagement, Gakidou said.

>"I believe that there is sufficient evidence that suggests that brain function decays faster among those that are not engaged in intellectually stimulating activities, either through work or hobbies," she said.

>"My main criticism is that the authors are overinterpreting the findings of their study and drawing conclusions that are not necessarily supported by what is presented in the paper. I do not see a significant trend in their graphs, and so I'm not convinced by the conclusions."


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 No.453543[Reply]

Lifestylism is a major problem in the American Left. It encourages purity spirals and alienates tentative supporters. Shitting and pissing because a leftist is economically successful feeds into the liberal argument that socialists are all just loser burnouts bitter at the world. Stop it.
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 No.455573

>>453543
>and alienates tentative supporters
Supporters do not mean shit leftists who actually read theory will always be small in number.
>feeds into the liberal argument that socialists are all just loser burnouts bitter at the world
Why should socialists care about liberals think? I am waiting for the revolution not trying to build a movement or reform shit.
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 No.455574

>>455573
*about what
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 No.455580

>>453553
Bookchin was right.
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 No.455582

more ethical is better
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 No.455583

but not as good as full ethical (or close to full)
sometimes full is not required because the difference is small
like using taxi/uber instead of owning car


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 No.454912[Reply]

What's your current thoughts on strategies towards socialism?

From what I have gathered there's at least a guiding principle. That is that the proletariat can only come into its own through practical experience. This means that the transitional movements into socialism should treated with more interest and enthusiasm(rather than only a temporary evil). Local councils and credit unions should have control over their own capital. City capitalism instead of State capitalism. Give all workers experience and responsibility with the production and distribution of the social product.

Then transition into labor vouchers. With an empowered social body all around, there's not a need, and likely a disincentive, for any bureaucratic managers trying to leech off society. An actual withering away of the state and its old politics.

I think the left took a wrong turn somewhere that emphasized the vanguard as too much of an academic mission. Leading to a lot of the bad politics we see today, where the fight over consensus is the main struggle. If someone doesn't agree with a particular interpretation of their own economic experience then they're an enemy. Education really happens through practical hands-on experience and not (only) book reading.
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 No.455214

>>455212
>socialism can be achieved only in a small comunity
Big misconception, socialism scales quite well.

You do realize that "national socialism" or fascism had nothing to do with socialism, right ? Hitler privatized most of the German economy and created hyperinflation.

I don't understand what you want with anarcho militarism
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 No.455226

>>455214
show me a socialist country that wasn't a capitalistic monarchy with "socialism" painted of it, like USSR or any other country, I'll be waiting for your answer

national socialism is based on socialism, doesn't have to be socialism, it's known that national socialists were quite frenly to marxists before Hitler starting WWII when polish AA started to attack german civilian planes and destroyed a radio antenna. it's also known that NatSoc and Marxists were trying to perfect this ideology called socialism
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 No.455230

>>455212
damn, its good old religious wars + balkan countries suddenly unite agains common enemy (who ?) (by themselfves…)
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 No.455235

>>455226
>show me a socialist country that wasn't a capitalistic monarchy with "socialism" painted of it.
There have been no socialist countries that were monarchies. You may want to check up what a monarchy is. One very striking feature of monarchical systems is formal hereditary rule. The only socialist country where important political figures came from the same family more than once is the Democratic people's republic of Korea. They have intra party elections that just turned out that way, not a formal hereditary succession. And no member of the Un family actually held the same position. By claiming the Soviet Union was a monarchie you'd be saying that Lenin, Stalin, Malenkov, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko and Gorbachev were all related.

Some socialist countries use capitalist elements in their economy because they do not yet have a sufficiently developed techno industrial base to switch to a fully socialist mode of production.

>national socialism is based on socialism

No it wasn't, they just called them self socialist, but they were fascist. The Fascist economic policies had more in common with neo-liberlaism than anything else. Both Fascism and neo-liberalism like to privatize a lot of the economy, increase exploitation of the workers, reduce worker earnings, and spend a lot on military. Both have issues with inflation.

>it's known that national socialists were quite frenly to marxists before Hitler

It's not known to me, but since we know how history turned out that can't have been genuine friendship.

>it's also known that NatSoc and Marxists were trying to perfect this ideology called socialism

Known to whom ? I have never heard of this. I have read a lot of Marxists from that time they don't write anything about this.
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 No.455571

The revolution will happen when it happens. Normal people will never read manifestos or theory we will be a very very small minority always no strategy towards socialism is based in reality.


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