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Less than 2 hours until Assanges extradition hearing

This will likely decide the fate of Julian Assange who is a journalist that was kidnapped and tortured for his democracy advocacy.

If the UK extradites Assange to his executioners in the US, the UK will declare it self a rogue state.

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For domestic US politics it is about petty revenge (and partisan bullshit when Clinton is involved), but on a geopolitical stage the Assange case is about flexing hegemonic soft power and keeping its "allies" in line.


I remain unconvinced that soft-power behaves analogous to a muscle that can be flexed. I think soft-power behaves analogous to a finite resource. It has to be build up before it can be spend. A muscle grows stronger the more it's used, a resource just diminishes the more it's used.

I think they are wasting finite soft-power resources for the sake of taking petty revenge on Assange.


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I love how everyone outside the tiny neolib/neocon bubble universally agrees that Assange is based


yes very based indeed


The same thing applies to hatred of Israel.

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>"""rules-based international order"""
>there are no rules
>it's not based

Who comes up with this shit??
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I kek'd


Read Franko.



kids named capitalists:


I think the idea is that states live in anarchy with each other. They want the opposite of this that is one state enforcing rules to other states.


>one state enforcing rules to other states.
The world's a sphere, can't be done. Even ignoring the complications of geography, sphere's will produce at least 2 major centers of power. Power projection diminishes with distance to the center and if you live on the surface on a sphere, you get 2 optimal spots for a center of power. If you add in geography you probably get between 5 to 7.

>states live in anarchy with each other

Unification by power of Dominion can't solve this, we need to find a different way.

Maybe the offices of politicians need to have globes.

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Who's next?

Sometimes a two-word OP is all you need to get the point across. Especially on an image board.
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>but it has not happened.
do you know why international unions haven't formed ?


Because China has abandoned its role as leader of the proletariat and has refused to organize the international working class.


Why do you think that creating international unions would require the help of China ?

Also the Chinese are not going to export the revolution as long as they can trade with capitalist countries. So far that strategy seems to have worked for them.


>Why do you think that creating international unions would require the help of China ?

Because the reactionary response will also be international in scope and China of all places should be a safe haven for internationalists to meet and coordinate at the very least.


A safe haven sounds nice, but the planet is very large, and traveling to china a lot might become impractical.

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The survey is a first-of-its-kind look at the views of the American Elite – defined as people having at least one post-graduate degree, earning at least $150,000 annually, and living in high-population density areas (more than 10,000 people per square mile in their zip code) – and compares them to what the average American thinks. The Elites represent 1% of the U.S. population but have an outsized voice on public policy in the United States, with their views seeming somehow to dominate the national conversation. This may be because it is the Elites themselves who determine what that conversation will be about on campus, in the legacy media, and corporate board rooms. Not surprisingly, these people talk about politics far more than most Americans. The data show that nearly a third of them (30%) talk about politics daily or almost every day. Just 9% of the voting public do. It is worth noting that members of the Elites who talk about politics daily have views that are even further removed from the opinions of the voting public. This is true even when the Elites self-identify as Republicans. They typically may be more conservative than Elite Democrats but they still have attitudes and opinions that are far removed from those of the typical American voter. The Elite class – regardless of party – is an exclusive club that sees and experiences America through a different lens than ordinary Americans.

These results confirm what people have long suspected: today, there are two Americas. One is wealthier, more highly educated, and attended the best schools. They put much more trust in big government “to do the right thing” and, by their own admission, benefit from more expansive government policies. They have also been hurt far less by the high inflation of the Biden presidency than those who live from paycheck to paycheck and are in the lower and middle classes.

This Grand Canyon-sized chasm between where every day Americans stand on the state of the country, expanding government power, draconian climate change solutions, and Joe Biden’s job performance may partly explain the Donald Trump phenomenon and his high approval ratings among working-class voters,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


Really ironic article for a group founded by Arthur Laffer to publish.


what's the troony tumblr thing in OP? Good article for fostering class consciousness though for debate kids/college smarties who don't already know this. Reminds me of the 2014 Gilens paper though not nearly as good.


Their religion since the 1990s proclaimed humanity would be split into two. Everything they do emphasizes this - why do you all pretend that we're all one "volk"? Humanity was never that. This strange idea has nothing to do with anything that humans, in any society, ever did. It's pure ideology. The only thing that has changed is that the division between haves and have-nots has been made the center of the project, rather than merely a part of it.

It is a rule of political elites that they have the only relevant say in those affairs, in whatever way they are constituted. Ordinary people never have political rights, and voting in a rigged election has nothing to do with politics. It is the exact opposite - a ritual of abasement before aristocracy, where you get to choose which of the assholes you like most in a taste test. It has nothing to do with democracy nor with ruling, since effective rule has always been somewhere in a palace, by those who have any information about what they actually rule and the genuine state of affairs in the world. For ordinary people, they're not even part of the political game or have any real idea what their actions cause outside of their own interests. Why would they? The world as a whole is rarely their concern, and when ordinary people do look to the world, they see that none of this has really helped anyone - certainly not them, but there is no way even in principle we would accept this as a decision-making process. The entire ritual is devoted to telling you that nothing can ever change, and you're never allowed to ask why, or even speak too plainly about the nature of the institutions and humans who rule over you. If that ever happened, most people would elect to remove themselves entirely from such a ruinous arrangement, or better yet, circumvent the rituals entirely and elevate a leader who would put an end to the farce forever, so that most of the people would have what they wanted before this madness began. If any of this was about providing for most of the people anything worthwhile, nearly every institution would be the opposite of what it is. Instead, every institution is designed to destroy and humiliate the people, precisely so the cycle never stops and those cast out are kept out forever. For a time, it was convenient for many of the people to avoid the sacrifices by joining in the rituals, when serving was safe. It is only a matter of when that no longer works, and this happens both individually - andPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


stay in your own thread schizo


ffs upload .pdf
Not hard

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Is conservative leftism the way?

>…In response, AMLO in office has combined efforts to shore up the countervailing power of Mexican workers with a blunt economic nationalism. On the labor front, he has boosted the minimum wage (without significantly raising unemployment) and promoted independent trade unionism. He has invested generously in the state oil company after years of neglect and messy marketization, resisted further privatization of the electricity industry, and stunted renewables competition—all to predictable howls of rage from Global North environmentalists, the Biden administration, the Brookings Institution, and The New York Times.

>AMLO’s resistance to Global North green-ism is a telling indicator of his leftist heterodoxy. In this as in many other arenas, he subverts the expectations Anglo-American conservatives and progressives alike have of what it means to be on the left. The differences are even more pronounced when it comes to social issues. While he has personally identified as a devout Catholic, his ruling coalition includes an evangelical junior party, and his government has extended federal funding to biblical-studies programs—a gentle tweak to the laicism that is one of the pillars of the modern Mexican state.
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Reading theory is best and only form of praxis


Reactionary leftist 🤡


trad leftism is a thing for sure

especially outside the USA

I wouldn't really be against trad leftism it if it's leaders weren't sociopaths or narcissists.

Same with liberal leftism.


A trad leftist is better than a progressive rightoid
At least Castillo started appointing gay people or something despite his tradcath attitudes


kill yourself


How much damage will Javier Milei be able to do ?
He seems to be a US vassal, and a rather unhinged nutcase.
He wants to make children a commodity that can be bought and sold, and give the police, Judge-Dredd style, on the spot judgement/punishment powers.

Will that be like in Bolivia a few years ago where crazy reactionaries got into power and began causing massive upheaval and than quickly got kicked out again.

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You actually think money is made of magic and the line going up is due to offending the gods? Look at real inflation and then imagine if you didn't have the social and capital controls available to the US, the only country that can print unlimited money and get away with it. The triple digit inflation is a consequence of that policy since it is a global rather than national policy. All of this is intended - create crisis with neoliberalism, find a figurehead who will plunder the place and promote faggotry, then find either an actually competent fascist or a socdem or someone who settles the matter and makes the advance of plunder the new line to retreat from. Repeat every generation. That's what we have been consigned to. It relies on endlessly relitigating history, pretending that we're looping to some past example, and then rewriting the examples to say that we were always at war with Eastasia and humanity was always this.

None of that resembles reality, and it's always been a dogma of the fags who only think of kicking down to take the wealth of anyone who worked or built anything.


Im from Argentina and I CAN SAY any argentine who opposes Milei is effeminate.


why though? I get it if you just want to fuck with social democrats or something.


Bump. Ben Norton is profoundly based


He's a dumb contrarian who never successfully got out of his Brooklyn Trotkyite hipster roots. He should stick to journalism (which he's good at), and leave the analysis to more careful thinkers.


The Soviets should have reduced the work-day
to 7h by 1965
to 6h by 1975
to 5h by 1985
and finally
to 4h by 1995

4 consequences:

1 The Soviet economy would have been forced to invest into labor-saving/productivity-enhancing technology like crazy to make up for the shrinking per-person labor-inputs. It would have eclipsed the west in industrial power.

2 There is no 90s dissolution/collapse because a shorter work-day means more time to politically organize and make reforms that work.

3 the soviet union would have become an attractive destination for labor, the bottom 40% of the capitalist sphere would have tried to move to the Soviet Union, because they weren't getting much in terms of capitalist luxuries anyway and as soviet citizens would have had a similar life-style with a lot more free time. Less work also means it's easier to raise children for the indigenous soviet population, and by the year 2000 the Soviet Union would have counted half a billion citizens.

4 Incidentally it would have saved social democracy in the west, because the shrinking labor-pool would have maintained the political leverage of western workers, even in the face of industrial offshoring.
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>Soviet type ML systems which are sometimes called leadership democracies
Only by rulers who want to continue the self-serving liberal tradition of inverting the meaning of democracy to mean its exact opposite. Rule of the few is not rule by the people.


If you want data about the Soviets, a good place to start is the sources in the footnotes of the book: Towards a new socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cotrell

>What is stopping the leaders from abusing their position to enrich themselves?

The Soviets understood the Soviet model as a holding pattern to wait until imperial capitalism had run it's course. Higher stage Socialism had to wait until capitalist countries became less aggressive as a result of imperialism getting frustrated.

Imperial capitalism is an economic model that requires conquering to keep going. The Soviets thought if they used their military might to undermine the conquering, imperial capitalism would go away. They were correct in a way. The Soviets completely undid the colonial empire mechanism. They however miscalculated about how long it would take for the alternative imperial mechanisms to be broken. They also made political and economic errors.

To answer your question the ML system used anti corruption purges to prevent abuse of state positions for self enrichment. It was very politically disruptive, but it did work.

You are correct Sortition democracy is the bug-fix the Soviets should have applied.


>Towards a new socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cotrell
I'll put it another way, do you have any sources that are not marxist authors cherry picking footnotes to stroke their confirmation bias? People on this board unironically think the holodomor was a hoax and gulags were summer camps there is no end to the delusions marxists have about the USSR.

>The Soviets understood the Soviet model as a holding pattern to wait until imperial capitalism had run it's course.

Why? They ruled half of the planet with an iron fist what was stopping them from achieving "higher stage socialism" within their own borders? Then the USSR would be the one tearing down the berlin wall to allow in all starving citizens of failed capitalism instead of the other way around.

>the ML system used anti corruption purges to prevent abuse of state positions for self enrichment

Who is doing the purging? By electing a leader to control the distribution of resources the people have already given up their power.


>the holodomor hoax
The holodomor narrative appears to originate in Nazi war propaganda and then later it got picked up by cold war propaganda. The default assumption is that nazis and cold warriors are liars, because most of what they said turned out to be lies. I did not investigate much, but i only found facts that support there having been a famine, not a politically motivated plot to starve people on purpose.

You appear to be complaining that we don't unquestionably accept ruling ideology narratives. That is very odd, why would we ? We're not the ruling class. Also Anti-communist biases are very common, so you have to account for the fact that the Soviet Union is being misrepresented most of the time.

Lately the holodomor narrative has been picked up again as a talking point in the propaganda battle for the Ukraine war, by the people who are arming and funding neo-nazi groups no less. That makes it look like some kind of propaganda narrative, that is lying around, and gets reused from time to time. That pattern is very suspicious, very few truths behave that way.

If you want to accuse the Soviets of intentionally starving people, the burden is on you to make the case for it. There is no expectation that we have to believe your story at face value. You haven't made a case for this assertion at all, you only have accused us of not sharing your opinion.


>People on this board unironically think the holodomor was a hoax
AKA People Who Read.

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<Until recently, tech workers have bristled at applying the fast and nimble start-up ethos to fashion deadly weapons. When Google signed a Pentagon contract to develop AI to target drone strikes, thousands petitioned its CEO in 2018 to cancel it.
<Amid layoffs in tech, the latter has grown appealing. In a Morning Consult survey of 441 tech workers last March, 34 percent they are more likely than they were a year ago to apply their skills to military projects and 48 percent support their employer considering defense contracts involving battlefield technologies.
<“This deep sense of uncertainty about the future that young people have can be molded,” Dey Meyer said.
So the tech-layoffs was to cajole techies into the defense industry.

<Some reject the previous tech era, in particular the protests against Project Maven, Google’s work to target Pentagon drones. This worker dissent ultimately benefited America’s adversaries, former Google researcher Guillaume Verdon said in a recent podcast interview with Joe Lonsdale, a Palantir co-founder and tech investor.

<“What I saw with my own eyes was cultural subversion within Big Tech,” Verdon said.
IMHO This is why it qualifies as fascistic. There are people who simply do not want to build weapons, they are not being subversive, they simply want to build not destroy.


>didn't let me post the archive link see pic
Eh? Do we have a new broken spam filter? Bezo's shitrag should be in the filter, not archive links.


They hit the shortener filter due to the alphanum id. I'll raise it with zer0 as the filter is only intended to block link shorteners, not archive sites


Yeah there was a regex for detecting url shorteners that wasn't working right, at least for this case it should be fine now.



nicely done


It gets worse every day.

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There is clearly a crisis. The war in Ukraine has shown how industrial production in the Euro-Atlantic bloc is in a state of collapse, and emerging economies are demanding the re-division of the world. The nature of the contemporary crisis is imperialist, because it is about the re-division of the world. The growing tensions in the Middle East to secure the oil-rich maritime area of Gaza after the failure in Ukraine show that the capitalist powers are ready to extend this crisis to the world. The moment the crisis enters Taiwan openly, it will be obvious to everyone that this is a world war.
But in the face of the growing crisis of capitalism, the Euro-Atlantic proletariat seems to be relatively calm. There are no mass revolutionary organisations, revolutionary organisations capable of building the foundations for the dictatorship of the proletariat; the workers' organisations are dominated by religious or patriotic groups. They are usually in alliance with a bourgeois party and so on. They are the police organisations of the bourgeois state. Other organisations are NGOs dominated by liberals. These two are the hidden arm of the ideological discourse that is being fed to the agitated masses. The presence of bourgeois political parties in workers' and other organisations means the domination and spread of (petty)bourgeois habits of thought in their mass base.

The revolutionaries are separated or part of a sect and feel safe in their bubble. This is a symptom of the intellectual who calls himself a revolutionary. In times of peace and debate, when the concrete task is propaganda and education, the intellectual is more than welcome if he adapts himself to the needs of his pupils and does not impose knowledge by repetition. But when the movement takes a turn in the other direction, from the peaceful to the preparation for open struggle, the intellectual is afraid of this change. They prefer to stick to their dying sects, carry out symbolic revolutionary actions for other like-minded intellectuals and call it a day for the time being. They refuse to cooperate consistently with the emerging movement.

A clear example of the lack of consistency is this moment. The protests against Israel on behalf of the Palestinians have mobilised many progressive people into the ranks of the anti-war front and given new impetus to anti-imperialism. The sheer relative size of the movement compared to the small number of self-proclaimed revolutionary organisaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>Yeah seeing all the fucking yellow and blue flags in my city was infuriating and depressing to see how many people will side with nazism just because they were told to.
Yeah wonder how that happened. Maybe people didn't pay attention to what was happening in Ukraine between 2014 and 2022. Tho there was news coverage about it, I only ever saw people talk about it on places like lefty-pol. Maybe nobody gave a shit about Ukraine.

>With the whole anti-zionism thing, I'm not even sure that people learned their lesson even after seeing how the media had to flip-flop from being 100% pro-israel to backpedling and offering a modicum of criticism of the genocide.

I think the propaganda contradiction was too stark. Between stirring the blood-thirst in Israel, while at the same time trying to appear sane and normal in the west.


>in the interest of having at least some way for leftists to find each other, maybe we can have some kind of website to help facilitate that
Never talk about actual political organizing on the internet, unless it's abstract theory or general strategies. Don't talk about anything too personal, like where you live and so on.

>I don't have any groups worth participating in

So start one.


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>Never talk about actual political organizing on the internet

What about this idea?


You can talk about it mom the Internet. Just don't use glow sites like Facebook and reddit. Ffs. Encryption is important, etc etc


>What about this idea?
i have think about this

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>“Montes betrayed our nation, but not for money. In fact, she never received payment for any of her actions – astonishingly, she was motivated purely by hatred for America,” Rubio wrote in an op-ed penned for Americano Media.

‘Queen of Cuba’ spy released from US jail
Ana Montes, described as “one of the most damaging spies” in US history, has been released from federal prison in Texas. The double agent for Cuba was freed on Friday after more than 20 years in custody, data on the Federal Bureau of Prisons website shows.

Montes, now 65, made a solid career with the US government, initially working for the US Department of Justice before joining the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) back in 1985. She ultimately became a senior intelligence analyst for Cuba –even scoring a nickname the ‘Queen of Cuba’– and worked in this role until her arrest in 2001, days after the 9/11 attacks.

It turned out that Montes had been spying for Cuba throughout her whole government career, as she had been recruited by that country’s intelligence when she was a student at Johns Hopkins University. Officials at the time said it was believed that the Cuban Intelligence Service (CIS) had pushed her to pursue the DIA career in the first place.

As a double agent, Montes is believed to have funneled highly-sensitive information to the CIS for nearly two decades. According to federal charging documents, Montes was very careful, never taking classified information from her work computer but memorizing it instead, as well as using water-soluble, easy to destroy paper to deliver the data to her Cuban handlers.

According to the Bush-era US Counterintelligence head Michelle Van Cleave, Montes has become “one of the most damaging spies the United States has ever found,” who has compromised “virtually everything” Washington knew about Cuba.

In 2002, Montes pleaded guilty to espionage charges which could have carried the death penalty for her, yet was ultimately sentenced to 25 years in prison under a plea deal. According to her lawyers, Montes was primarily motivated for spying by a belief that “the Cubans were treated unfairly by the US government.”
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Such a faggot. Always talking about shit you have no control over instead of focusing on and expanding the power of the few things you do have control over. This is why you are weak.


This is just too schizo to reply to. You are beyond help if this isn't some elaborate shitpost
>words words words
Imagine if you put half that effort into doing something that would make you strong


I don't know how you think that's a comeback. It is what snark does to a motherfucker if you're fed nothing but memes as your knowledge base.

Anyway, if you're in that intelligence / spying world, you know that nationalism is a farce. It's why there are so many double agents - they really aren't serving the myths told to the plebs. Not even the plebs themselves truly take the "national interest" line seriously. This used to be more overt - in the 19th century, a country was just a place, and in many parts of the world that reasoning still applies. The national myth only really came to the forefront with ideology, and it's always been this weird faith, because the "nationalism" promoted in the 20th century is not the same as the nationalist idea in the 18th and 19th century. Nationalism in the past was seen as a democratizing impulse against the old aristocracy, while today nationalism is identified with the ruling interest and alien to the actual nation in question. It's not so much that people in the 18th century had a sense of patriotism, but that what was meant by nationalism was a challenge to the idea that we should be ruled by kings and their officers. In the 20th century, this was no longer an idea that could be maintained, and the construction of national myths has always been opposed to the actual nation and sense of community implied. America never had a true national myth because America constitutionally was something very different. Simply put, America was always designed to be a globe-spanning empire rather than a country in this sense that every country is like Little England. The great empires always aspired to be more than a national myth, and the Little England idea is always a way of keeping the serfs in their place.

Also lol at Little Marco the eternal coper. The political class being as rotten as it is does more damage than any of the spies in our midst, because they are that pernicious and disgusting.


Based bump


Alot of our radical libs and right wingers are Gen X/early Gen Y junkies

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