/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>449369
Why would the conservative wing of a center-right party be shifting to the greens, a left-wing party?

>>449370
The greens in Germany don't really count as leftwing, they are more the party for environmentally conscious rich people, who express their class hatred for the proletariat in ecological jargon.

>>449522
Are German Greens different from other countries? I heard they are opposed to nuclear energy for one.

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>>461318
Whhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??

>>461133
>people have been gay through out history this is well documented.
yeah retard good morning, people have been homos for all the existence of class society, exactly what we want to eliminate. LOL

>>461178
he's correct. overpopulation can only be relative. e.g. if people is not involved in reproductive labour. So I agree with the WEFcel that western people need to be culled, because they are useless, just read this board and you'll see it.

>>461190
>I hate lib-leftoids
lmao uyghur you follow the church of greta HOW DARE YOU to call others lib-leftoids?
Resource are in fact infinite. Water is infinite. The soil constantly regenerates through life itself. We don't need anything else.
The only thing that will kill the Earth is the progressive cooling of the Sun. No escape from that.

>>461296
>The soil constantly regenerates through life itself.
No, it absolutely does not. When phosphorus and potasium are removed from the soil by plants and the plants are consumed elsewhere, that phosphorus and potasium is gone permanently. It can only be replaced by taking phosphorus and potasium from elsewhere and spreading it over the soil, which is what fertilizer is. You can grow plants in nutrient-dead soil with enough fertilizer (see: Nebraska), but it is far from efficient.

>>461301
On top of that, different fruits require very specific climates. Mediterannean climates are where most of the species that we eat need to be grown, and they are uncommon.

>>461216
>So not all civilization can be ended.
If the nukes fly there won't be an middle ground. This isn't a case of regional partial collapse, nuclear exchange will kill most of humanity.

>>461225
Found the person who isn't a total midwit
>>461226
Ya, but much of it will be after a few months and likely from starvation

>>461225
That's what I'm talking about you goober wtf.

>>461228
How the fuck did you people read that as saying "individuals evolve" You have your head up your own ass.

>>461211
Jesus, that's what they started doing in 2020 with the virus con. They are doing because they need to do it and they think they will come on top. Any revolutionary strategy would have needed at least recognizing the virus bullshit but you know…

>>455212
damn, its good old religious wars + balkan countries suddenly unite agains common enemy (who ?) (by themselfves…)

>>455226
>show me a socialist country that wasn't a capitalistic monarchy with "socialism" painted of it.
There have been no socialist countries that were monarchies. You may want to check up what a monarchy is. One very striking feature of monarchical systems is formal hereditary rule. The only socialist country where important political figures came from the same family more than once is the Democratic people's republic of Korea. They have intra party elections that just turned out that way, not a formal hereditary succession. And no member of the Un family actually held the same position. By claiming the Soviet Union was a monarchie you'd be saying that Lenin, Stalin, Malenkov, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko and Gorbachev were all related.

Some socialist countries use capitalist elements in their economy because they do not yet have a sufficiently developed techno industrial base to switch to a fully socialist mode of production.

>national socialism is based on socialism
No it wasn't, they just called them self socialist, but they were fascist. The Fascist economic policies had more in common with neo-liberlaism than anything else. Both Fascism and neo-liberalism like to privatize a lot of the economy, increase exploitation of the workers, reduce worker earnings, and spend a lot on military. Both have issues with inflation.

>it's known that national socialists were quite frenly to marxists before Hitler
It's not known to me, but since we know how history turned out that can't have been genuine friendship.

>it's also known that NatSoc and Marxists were trying to perfect this ideology called socialism
Known to whom ? I have never heard of this. I have read a lot of Marxists from that time they don't write anything about this.

The revolution will happen when it happens. Normal people will never read manifestos or theory we will be a very very small minority always no strategy towards socialism is based in reality.

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>>454912
The best strategy when you are not quite certain how capitalism will contort as its contradictions become fatal is to keep an open mind and always attempt to get as much of the means of subsistence and the means of production under the control of workers as possible. Shit isn't going to play out according to plan. Just stay focused on the goal, and take what opportunities present themselves.

>>461242
I largely agree. Unfortunately, a lot of people think that Twitter and 4chan aren't the modern equivalent of newspapers or vehicles for radical propaganda. Too many people on the left either want to try to reproduce the past with lame printed newspapers or sequester themselves into hermetic echoboxes.

>>461243
I think that a big part of that problem is that we all think of each other as fools. The anarchists are idealist fools who can't get their theory straight. The maoists are sophomoric class collaborationists whose program collapsed in Mao's own lifetime. The leninists are nostalgic adventurers who keep stupidly banging their heads on the same hundred-year old wall. The leftcoms are addled drunks who are possessed of an infantile disorder and a general sloth that compells them to do nothing but drink and read Capital. Liberation theologists are deluded basic bitches who have read neither Capital nor their Bible. Primitivists are kooks.

Worst of all, we have all become so practiced at picking one another apart that all we do when we argue is to throw low-effort gotchas at one another. We don't learn anything or challenge each other's theory in any meaningful way. Other leftists are just people for us to verbally fight with. It's rather depressing.

One of the things that makes it possible for the rightards to get along despite the ancaps and the nazis being theoretically irreconcilable is that each of them is constantly shitting on people who are outside their group. Up until the end of the Cold War the same was true of liberals where they had their ideological differences with one another but all rallied together to oppose the communists. We don't have an outside group that we rally in opposition to. We all oppose the interests of the bourgeoisie, but we don't do so based on any perceived qualities that bosses possess. We oppose the interests of the class, and that is not as unifying as just hating people is. Maybe we on this end of the political spectrum are getting too used to hating each other.

>>461243
>Unfortunately, a lot of people think that Twitter and 4chan aren't the modern equivalent of newspapers or vehicles for radical propaganda.
Oh fuck off Body Odor
you fucking bitch ruined things enough with your "imageboards are a serious business!!"
fucking transhumanist sperg
If I ever meet you in a grocery store - I will fucking bash your head in the nearest glass shelf!
Pot on your whole family

>>461249
>'I'm the real left'
>Does nothing
Kek, you might be right!

>>461213
I thought that philosophers were just angry old men who have dedicated their lives to proving that they personally are more clever than the other angry old men.
>>461249
I don't think that's Che.

>>441007
Funny because phúc is one of the more economic driven person on the central committee and the politburo. His last tenure as the PM was all about pulling in more international investment. He was famous for his program of cementing the role of Assistance Governance of which the government only takes the role of guiding the market economy.
Another fun fact is that his policies stemmed from his education in economic management in the National University of Singapore.

https://newnaratif.com/false-scarcity-singapore-meritocracy/

thought this article might be interesting for Debbs who wrote about this same topic for new multitude

Cases update (8/13)
Total: 3804943
Recovered: 3289718
Deaths: 115096

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>>461169
who should control the data centers?

>Am I talking to the local poltard right now?
you've not provided any arguments as to why your "syndicates" or whatever the fuck would not just produce for profit

also, are you planning to use blockchain only in full communism or something?

>>461166
I have yet to see a single person actually justify the use of blockchain in any other context than funny money. Bruce Schneier has a good set of questions for one to ask themselves whenever they're considering blockchain:
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/02/blockchain_and_.html
>Does the blockchain change the system of trust in any meaningful way, or just shift it around?
>Does it just try to replace trust with verification?
>Does it strengthen existing trust relationships, or try to go against them?
>How can trust be abused in the new system, and is this better or worse than the potential abuses in the old system?
>What would your system look like if you didn’t use blockchain at all?

>>461161
>What are you doing with it.

My phone and Cable are both paid in Bitcoin. Granted they aren't major consumer industries but non the less they are paid for in BTC. Monero is obviously used to buy drugs and also mullvad accepts monero which is dope.

>>461161

What inefficiencies? Point out these inefficiencies.
Are you upset cause it's slow…? I'm not following what you are talking about here. Name inefficiencies outside of the realm of currency.

I legitimately don't think you understand technology, let alone Blockchain tech and you deff don't seem to understand how socialism and communism function economically. This is all clear by >>461171

You don't understand; Who controls the i2p network? No one controls peer 2 peer networks. That's the whole point. Well, everyone does. Every node on the network is a peer which is responsible for hosting other parts of the network. So, in a socialist economy where the means of production are owned collectively by the workers who control them and work on them then obviously it would be the working class themselves who operate the network. Sure it's a pipe dream but it's just an idea. You have no ideas cause you are a just a bitter upset faggot.

Exchanges as we understand them don't take place in a communist society because production is not centered around the exchange of commodities but the production of useful resources that people need.
All I am saying is Blockchain could be useful for allocating "transactions" (for lack of a better word in such an economy. If I go to the market and pick up a carrot and the shelf registers to the farm that grows this particular carrot that 1 carrot unit has been consumed then we could use that calculation to what next year's harvest should theoretically be needed to yield. Paul cockshot actually talks about such technologies in his book but I don't think it ever occured to him that Blockchain could actually fulfill this roll rather nicely. Like I said, this is nothing more that pure hatred and ideology pointed at a technology you don't understand.

>>461179
>My phone and Cable are both paid in Bitcoin. Granted they aren't major consumer industries but non the less they are paid for in BTC. Monero is obviously used to buy drugs and also mullvad accepts monero which is dope.
of COURSE cryptoretard would be a fucking junkie lol

also, what, you pay for cable and vpn daily lol? are you genuinely retarded?
also, what is the point of paying for cable with monero if they would know your physical location anyway? What is the point of paying for phone with monero if your operator would know your IMEI anyway lol?

>What inefficiencies? Point out these inefficiencies.
you gotta be fuckin kiddin me
I'm talking to a literal debiloid..

you want some inefficiencies cryptodebiloid?
1. Energy and time requirements to write an entry into a database
2. Immutability of the database with no garbage collection
3. Not being p2p because miners are not equal nodes
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>>461181
>Being this childish and pedantic because he got blown out

Grow up, kek

Blockchain is literally a p2p network lmfao. You don't understand computer science at all.

All I said was I think it could. If it has flaws the wecoulf literally use a p2p database or yes fork the chain to allow off record editing. Or have a validator system where we have specific validators to validate transactions. I never said I was invested in this ideologically that is you being a cum crusted dick wad putting words in my mouth kek. People like you are why we live in a new dark ages.
You're cancer

>>461019
On one hand, I'm glad the demented transhumanist Leftypol mods (pic related) are digging their own graves by banning anything as part of their mentally ill purity spiraling.
On the other hand, most of the people they ban and thereby send our way are just other faggy liberals.

You seem cool though, anon

>>461000
Dprk is absolutely not neutral to lgbts

<Deformation in the spiritual and cultural life, this is the means by which the capitalist state and the capitalist class attempt to turn the working masses into modern-day slaves.

<The bourgeoisie is spreading reactionary ideology, culture, and rotten bourgeois lifestyle in order to paralyze the working masses' consciousness of independence, make people obey the capitalist system of exploitation, and further degenerate into slaves to money. Thus, in a capitalist society, a perverted hobby of pursuing animalistic "pleasures" that has no relation to people's healthy demands has arisen, paralyzing people's bodies and minds.

<Comrade Kim Jong- il , the great leader , taught:

<“Even in the countries where capitalism is said to be the most developed, the number of illiterate and mentally handicapped is increasing day by day, and many people are degenerating into vulgar humans who pursue only momentary comfort and pleasure without any ideas or aspirations . ” 》 Supplemental Edition Vol. 12, p. 422)

<In the United States, where normal human thinking is completely paralyzed and intelligence and civilization are deformed, the issue of same-sex marriage, which cannot be imagined in human society, is an important topic of discussion every presidential election.

In the United States, the issue of same-sex marriage has been a major topic of discussion during the presidential election since 2004 and has been raised as a political issue. Following the 2008 presidential election in 2012, the views of the presidential candidates against same-sex marriage became a concern of the electors. In the United States, voters generally refer to candidates who support same-sex marriage as innovative and those who oppose it as conservatives.

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>>461091
Very educational post.

But we shouldn't assume that troonie cultoids are grounded in reality.

It doesn't matter that the actual policies of Stalin or the DPRK are. If a troonie can imagine something, that's good enough for them.

>>460660
Report this guy. reactionary propaganda NIGHER SAGE ZAGE ZAGE ADHAS ZGAE NIGHER

>>460660
I'm also visiting from Leftypol.org and I hope to stay here more often.

>>460932
When I say that there is no viable alternative I mean that currently there is not reason the left has given the working class really to align with or not vote for the dems or republicans.There is not party or no org that isn't dead and totally fangless as I mentioned before that really mattters. Of course we know why there should be but the left hasn't managed to build something like that yet and imo the only option is to vote pragmatically and secure my interests as a worker.

That brings me to why I have an issue with the idea that maga communism is some how subversive to the status quo when it really isn't. Trump and the maga fags all want one thing and that is the strengthen their own class and political agenda under the guis of faux populism; I.E Tax cuyts for the wealthy, abolishing labor protections, enforcing fundamentalist christian dogma on the population, etc etc etc. It's only aesthetically appealing (and even then by a slim margin) but the actual substance is lacking, imo. Dems might be moronic fucks but at least I can get roe v wade, weed, right to repair and making it easier to unionize with the dems. Republicans HATE that.

>>460829

I suppose this means you idiots now will start spamming this stupid trump shit everywhere on the internet like in 2015-16

>>460843
This does not work now. You repeated this stupid shit for years, nobody believes you now.
If you relentlessly repeat far right talking points while attacking the left, you're fascist, case closed.

>>460935
>at least I can get roe v wade, weed, right to repair and making it easier to unionize with the dems
Is this a joke? None of these have happened under Democrats, you fucking moron. In fact the original Taft-Hartley Act was passed with Democrat support.

>>460948
Are you fucking high? Biden passed a bill that decriminalized marijuana use. We can't get it totally decriminalized till we get a dem controlled senate.

>Muh taft heartly

Yeah and so what that was literally 100 years ago at this point. biden passed a lot of laws that secure labor protections and make unionization easier. I know, I was in a union.

We can get roe v wade back. Once again leftist ultras have no plan and just wanna brow beat anyone who wants to do anything other than stay at home and shit post on a computer. Cope

>>460832
The Democrats are nothing but controlled opposition. If you do end up getting them in, it'll just be a delaying tactic until the Retardicans get into power after two or 4 years or so and screw over the working class and continuing to suck the cock of the bourgeoisie.

Both parties are lapdogs of the bourgeoisie.

I love those bullshit ads with a model waving a red flag and it's some pretentious statement about what equality means to them or something then just comes up "Tommy Hilfinger" or some other shitty brand ware.
It's so on the nose it's hilarious.

>>447808
Yeah but do they know what they are doing? If they don't it's hilarious, but, in this day and age it's more likely they are aware of it which just makes is depressing.

>>446212
Advertising on tiktok is the new hot shit, it's ridiculous how well ads fit there. I think the whole app was a plot to get you accustomed/addicted to the format

>not using invidious
cry more bitches, you're not getting a penny out of me

>>446212
I never see online ads, but I imagine that effect is the result of targeted advertising algorythms being a bit screwy.
>>447515
Who still watches TV for anything other than sports?
>>461028
I can't imagine that anyone who knows what Invidious is ever uses YouTube. There is absolutely no way in which Invidious is not superior.