/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

With out a profit motive to incentives constant promotion of pointless commodities. Yeah, why wouldn't we? Economic and rational planning will obviously do away with such nonsense.

We'll see fewer scams when more people are taken care of and more people are educated.

Do we have more scams or less under capitalism? Hard to say. I think scams in capitalism (like Netflix fees, rent increases, sales tax, inflation, etc, not even the obvious ones like fake medicine, fortune telling, bogus gofundmes) are mostly subtle. But at a deeper level, most people who fall for a con are people who want to be conned. I don't think that's a product of an economic situation so much as a social one. There were still scams in USSR and Mao's China, I'm absolutely sure, but that was more due to the socio-economic conditions of the time than "socialism"

>>453097
so those are racing strips for horses ?

>Do you think we'll see less scams under socialism?
Yes i think so, production for use instead of production for sale, should make the systemic push for scams go away. And when people are no longer made desperate by economic precariousness they will be less vulnerable to mind tricks

>>452970
Anon you are wrong, capital needs a minimum of a certain level of exploitation of workers, otherwise a crisis happens, this what they meant by a "worker shortage" essentially workers are not exploited enough. This fall in exploitation will drive big capitals to accumulate in order to offset loses, increasing the problem, from there comes a big crisis, either that or the us government pumps money into the banking system, to essentially, not avoid the crisis but bring it to a swift and faster end, with the same results, a bunch people going into poverty

>>453045
But if that's true why are employers being so recalcitrant. Wouldn't it be better for the booj to exploit at a lower level than they'd like than not exploit labor at all? Seems like a capital strike to me.

>>453047
They are viewing it from the point of view of capital, and from that pov the future crisis that a lower exploitation rate causes is generates not from an overproduction of capital, but from an underexploitation of workers, thus it seems the workers are the ones "causing" the crisis

>>453045
>Anon you are wrong, capital needs a minimum of a certain level of exploitation of workers
big Capital can even afford to work at a loss for a while, especially big finance, which isn't really involved in production
>this what they meant by a "worker shortage" essentially workers are not exploited enough.
No there is no worker shortage, just because capital has not realized that the cost of labor has increased. There has been an inflation of the cost of living for a while and that obviously increases wages as well. (productive capital could attack rent-capital like black rock which is the cause for increasing housing cost in many places around the world, to lower the cost of living for workers)
>This fall in exploitation will drive big capitals to accumulate in order to offset loses, increasing the problem
I don't see a problem, if they scale up production and operate at lower margins, that means stuff gets cheaper.
> government pumps money into the banking system a bunch people going into poverty
if people go into poverty, they loose their ability to perform work and that means the remaining labor-power increases in price.

>>453047
>But if that's true why are employers being so recalcitrant.
Mostly habit, they aren't used to paying more for labor.
>Seems like a capital strike to me.
Capital is loosing the ability to perform capital strikes, they are harming people and that means that fewer people can work and it gets more expensive to hire workers, therefore it's not a strike.
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>>453051
>big Capital can even afford to work at a loss for a while, especially big finance, which isn't really involved in production
"A while" being the key term there, eventually there will be a crisis

>No there is no worker shortage, just because capital has not realized that the cost of labor has increased. There has been an inflation of the cost of living for a while and that obviously increases wages as well. (productive capital could attack rent-capital like black rock which is the cause for increasing housing cost in many places around the world, to lower the cost of living for workers)
Inflation is not really an "increase in the cost of labour", it is only a nominal one. There is currently though a real increase, with the wages rising ever since trump, where the us had one the lowest unemployment rates ever, and a lot business having to raise wages now.

>I don't see a problem, if they scale up production and operate at lower margins, that means stuff gets cheaper.
the problem is that production cannot be scaled up infinitely, eventually there will be overproduction, the rise in wages is not the problem, the real problem is that capital is overproduced, cannot realize its full value, which leads first to an increase in wages, and then to a crisis, after capital can no longer be employed profitably

>if people go into poverty, they loose their ability to perform work and that means the remaining labor-power increases in price.
A lot of people die, but also a lot capital devalues, which offsets the loss of life

>we should stick to an objective point of view.
If you want to explain why capitalists think something, looking at the POV of capital is useful anon

The solution is mass forced quarantine and vaccination, it's the only way the disease will get under control. Leaving people to do as they please clearly isn't working.

>>452904
They are going after a scientist who warned about the pandemic before it happened. Which means an actual high caliber scientist who made accurate predictions. You'd think competent rulers would be hiring this guy not attacking him. Egregiously evil and also stupid.

>>452909
>believing the plandemic
>scientist
into the gulag you go

>>452964
how do you explain that countries like the DPRK going into complete isolation to avoid the virus?
they even stopped trading with China and have a bunch of shortages as a result of that. You think they are doing this for shiz and gigglez ?

>>452969
>how do you explain
I could explain it in many ways but the final truth I don't know.
Anyway, I won't post in this board anymore since the mods deleted a thread where they were exposed as glowies.

>>452969
>how do you explain that countries like the DPRK going into complete isolation
It's all about advancing towards Full Juche, yo. DPRK and PRC are literally next door neighbors. If they were real communists they wouldn't have separate economies or political administration, much less borders.

>>452832
This. All anarchist proles in Russia became bolsheviks. Petty bourg anarchists instead are simply a brand of fascism.

>>452843
Why do you lie, bolshevik?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Siberian_rebellion

>>452902
>peasants
lol kys imbecile

>>452902
Kys anarkiddie you will all be put up against the wall

>>452977
People like you are the main reason anarkids are hesitant to read Marx.
I'm not going to tell you to kys but consider how perpetuating the strawman that all communists are aspiring NKVD officers might pose an obstacle to the goal of promoting the constitution of our class as a revolutionary party. Most people don't find purge and gulag fantasies very appealing, and those who do are the least fit for the task of suppressing counterrevolutionary elements for the simple fact that they haven't made sufficient rupture with the methodology of the bourgeois-democratic state form.

>>452885
You're an idiot and believe in genetics.
>He himself later admitted that rejecting genetics was wrong
liar.

>>452885
>If he had not been such a stubborn fool he would probably have been credited with epi genetics.
complete nonsense, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle

Because every nationalist must hang with their fucking intestines

Subhuman tier beliefs, ALWAYS

>UNGA IMAGINARY BORDER STRONK!
<*shits out random reactionary beliefs as facts*

I want to commit intellectual genocide and erase nationalism
Also they are and never have been socialists.

>>452899
They really love that pun between the two kinds of nationalism; one is when a territory fights for autonomy, freedom from external exploiter; other is declaring your country /"people" superior

>>452915

Its essentially an equivocation fallacy.