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 No.484817[Reply]

Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov speaking at the UN General Assembly just recently. Pretty good speech imo. What do you think?
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 No.484859

>>484839
cope
They lie a little like re-labeling war as a "special military operation" but they're right about the big picture stuff, like NATO-east-expansion being the trigger for the war in Ukraine.
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 No.484870

>>484859
His critiques of the west are generally the strongest points.
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 No.484880

>>484839
This is how Democrats unironically think.
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 No.484890

>some cuck is getting paid 0.01 cents for making threads like this
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 No.484908

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>>484890
>thinking I get paid to post news to leftychan


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 No.483702[Reply]

theory background, skip if you wish
In the cold war the Soviets had a closed media ecosystem with state censors etc. The materialist reason for that is, that their media production could neither match the quantity of output nor the level of technical sophistication of western media production.

The functional aspect of Soviet censorship was doing protectionism. The repression of expression-freedom of soviet citizens was not functional, it likely hampered the development of the means of media production. It likely worked only because the boost from protectionism more than off-set the drag from repression of expression.

This is what most ideological analysis got wrong. What matters is the structures that transport the information and the type of social relations that create the interaction with people. The specifics of the information never mattered.

In feudalism the information structure was the church. The specifics of religious faith, didn't really matter for the functioning of feudalism. The change from feudalism to capitalism changed information from a indoctrinated believe, into a object that is consumed.

We lack any concept of what the socialist information structure could be like. We haven't really thought beyond changing the information content. When the printing presses automated writing, capitalists printed information on paper squares arranged as either news-papers or as books. Socialists only ever did the exact same paper-squares with different words on it. Same thing for every subsequent media technology. That's why socialists have always been on the back-foot. It's like if the bourgeoisie had tried to edit the ten commandments in the bible. Instead of replacing the church with modern media.

Now for the juicy bit
The west is ramping up attempts at censorship. Ranging from deleting content up to attacking the people that make it, as well as attacking capitalists that own means of dissemination. The West has/had a relatively open media ecosystem as well as very high production media quality, and that is the combined reason why it's media structures have absolutely dominated the world.

For unclear reasons they're now trying to throw out the winning strategy and close off the western media eco-system. If it succeeds the global audience would get alienated out of it, and then western media power will shrink from influencing ~4 billion to maybe a few hundrPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.484825

>>484824
thanks for the reverse psychology approval
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 No.484828

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The company you keep…
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 No.484830

>>484828
Is she doing this on purpose ?

As in is she playing the evil censorship-witch to make people hate her, because negative attention is better than no attention ?
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 No.484851

>>484830
Probably.
But everyone complains about censorship but then will advocate for censorship against platforms they don't like

Ogre is praising Turkey for passing a ban for fbi.gov
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 No.484852

>>484851
>Ogre is praising Turkey for passing a ban for fbi.gov
Wait a minute Ogre is still up ?
I just went there to check and it just redirected me to leftypol TV
What gives ?

Why is Turkey banning discuck ?
I mean it's got terrible privacy and there's better alternatives, but it seems unreasonable to ban it.

I'm guessing they're anxious about the people who own/controle discuck ? Why aren't they shilling for an open-source alternative where they can run their own servers. Or they could go one step further and hire software-people to fork one of those FOSS alternatives and call it Turk-cord. They could add lots of specific features the Turkish people really like. They could make all Turkish governmental organizations sign up for it and incentivize Turkish companies to do too, to boost network effects.

What ever happened to using intelligence to win people over. I think we need to redesign the internet so that it's not vulnerable to the inquisition that tries to excommunicate everybody they don't like, So that people who build cool stuff are those that win.


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 No.484738[Reply]

Femicide in Turkey is on the rise. Yesterday, a person (aged 19) killed two women in one day, one of them was killed by cutting off her head and throwing it down from the top of the historical city walls in Istanbul, and then he committed committed suicide. What is your opinion?
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 No.484747

>>484741
A trend is when 2 people out of millions do something horrible to 2 other people out of millions and then I indulge in a moral panic about it as though it's happening all the time to everybody in that context.
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 No.484753

Wow, so two random murder by a disturbed person. Let us know when you have evidence for an actual trend.
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 No.484762

Some faggot incel that unfortunately took more lives than just his, I wouldnt call it a trend or even novel
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 No.484799

>>484738
>Femicide is on the rise
Based. The lesser beings who are still divided sexually do not deserve their place in the universe. Keep murderraping each other huemies.
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 No.484801

Korean incels stand on business


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 No.484673[Reply]

I was recently researching the public housing projects of fascist Italy. There's been entire books written about how early fascist regimes mirrored New Deal policy that is now considered "far-left" in America. Italian fascists dramatically increased public housing that existed prior.

In a way though, this potentially makes contemporary America maybe even more right-wing than fascist Italy in practice for the average person. US is certainly not more than right-wing than Nazi Germany was, but it may be moreso than fascist Italy.

Here in the USA, we've more or less abandoned the idea of ensuring that people aren't underhoused. This can only be achieved from public housing. Housing is a basic human need on par with food, as participation in public life and even reproduction are very difficult without it, especially with accompanying cultural values which portrays life as a game to collect points to afford housing.
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 No.484678

Also you can't hide, like… the fact that you own a plot of land. It's way easier to cover up income than it is to cover up land ownership. If you own a whole lot of land and holding it vacant costs way more than you'd get by waiting a decade and selling it, then you'll have a market suddenly flooded with cheap houses.
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 No.484683

>>484677
You know that George's land tax was partially meant to fund George's vision of public housing, right?
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 No.484691

>Is contemporary American politics more right-wing than Italian fascism?
Yes, it's literal Nazi tier.
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 No.484692

>>484683
Henry George supported a Land-Tax Funded Citizens' Dividend and the nationalization of natural monopolies, but I don't remember anything about public housing. I wouldn't be totally shocked if he proposed it, but I don't recall that. I'm not opposed to public housing, but the economic effect of Georgist tax policy would already drive prices down greatly, and the citizens' dividend would give the average person more financial security. We literally have enough buildings, they could solve the housing crisis with tax reform without building a single additional structure, but they won't do either.
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 No.484703

>>484677
>the idea, if you're a landlord and treating it as an investment, is to be able to hold those properties for an extended period of time until the market price grows up.
It's not the price "going up", it's the currency being debased by your communist central bank. People hold hard assets to protect themselves from inflation not to make a "profit".

>This artificially increases scarcity

Correct. Although the real solution is to have hard money which cannot be inflated by political entities and then people don't need to hog hard assets like land and houses.

>>484678
>Also you can't hide, like… the fact that you own a plot of land.
That's not necessarily true there is a whole book about this called Who Owns England. The British aristocracy have been using land to evade taxes and inheritance bullshit for centuries.

>If you own a whole lot of land and holding it vacant costs way more than you'd get by waiting a decade and selling it, then you'll have a market suddenly flooded with cheap houses.

Land is not the same thing as houses. We don't have a land shortage we have a housing shortage. Government regulations, unstable currency and high cost of labor all make it very difficult to turn a profit from building houses so nobody bothers building them. And don't forget your open borders, refugees welcome, multikulti virtue signaling bullshit is also artificially increasing demand.


 No.484492[Reply]

Glenn Greenwald is asking some really good questions lately.
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 No.484495

I like Glenn but I can only take him in small doses because of that valley girl accent of his.
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 No.484496

>>484492
>Who Is Sending More U.S. Troops To The Middle East?
Who ever it is, they do not appear to be acting very strategical.
Getting bogged down in middle eastern wars, hasn't worked out so well.

>>484495
Yeah but you can get over it
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 No.484693

Another great question from Greenwald.


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 No.484467[Reply]

One retarded thing the left does more than the right is watermark memes with ownership. By placing who made it in either a corner or watermark. If a meme is good don't try to own it just let it free. It's supposedly about the idea, not about you.
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 No.484476

>>484467
You can always edit the meme if you don't like it, you know the clone-tool has been standard in most image-editing softwares for like 20 years.
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 No.484479

truthnuke
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 No.483781[Reply]

Prostitutes, camgirls, e-whores and the like are lumpenproles at best and petty bourg at worst
There is no such thing as "le sex work", only redditors and radlibs think so, and their justification for it is always some idealist idpol riddled nonsense like "womens empowerment"
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 No.484232

>>483781
Based and trvthpilled
onthewomanquestion.com/2021/02/15/sex-work-is-not-work-a-marxist-feminist-analysis-of-prostitution
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 No.484237

>>483781

whatevet it is, it is extortive.

White prostitutes are charging OVER $1200 ON AVERAGE online where I live
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 No.484238

>>484237
It's called supply and demand anon
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 No.484241

>>484238
The "supply" is oversaturated
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 No.484346

>>484241
this.
most dont even put out in meatspace anymore


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 No.482838[Reply]

ORANGE MAN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/07/13/donald-trump-speech-shooting-latest-news/

First of all this is incredibly based and God bl3ss them shoot R.I.P To a real one but this is fucking bad news politically. He's gonna win for sure now and this will cause a reaction upswell we haven't seen in a hundred years not only in the US b UT globally. This is terrible news and propaganda of the deed is fail3d as a political strategy.
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 No.483106

>>483094
>There needs to be an asymmetrical way of going after these poeple
IMHO the correct way is to create a better political alternative.
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 No.484072

>>482839
who the fuck is joe biden
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 No.484292

There's been another attempt.

Some unhinged Ukrop-ultra tried to shoot Trump with an assault rifle. This one missed because of general firearm-incompetence. That's the second time Trump got lucky.

All the mass-surveillance bullshit, the tyrannical militarized police and all those trampled civil liberties and it does nothing, crazy fuckers are still taking potshots at high-profile politicians seemingly unopposed. Maybe re-allocate the budget towards old school security details with bodyguards and whatnot, the scifi dystopia crap doesn't work.
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 No.484298

>>484292
The real kneeslapper is that the US "security breach" of all US security breaches, 9/11, was perpetrated by a bunch of guys the CIA at the very least was already watching, and may well have brought into the country themselves. The excuse for expansion of surveillance powers, militarized police, etc. was always total bullshit.
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 No.484303

>>484298
I know but they sold the hole thing on security. So is the neo-con security-bubble going to burst because they haven't delivered on that ?

Consider that if they let 911 happen, because it was a politically convenient excuse to start a bunch of wars or something along those lines, that still means the security mechanism is defective. Because the result were hijacked planes crashing into buildings. It's perhaps the worst kind of malfunction because misaligned political incentives usually isn't something that can be fixed.


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 No.483735[Reply]

Was Bordiga right?

I have to admit some of his arguments are compelling. It certainly does seem to be the case that an unprincipled "popular front" just leads to liberals taking control of your revolution and directing it away from anticapitalism. At the same time history seems to have been very unkind to his strategy. Every time he split his support got smaller and smaller until he was ultimately pushed out and marginalized by those with all the power. Bordiga seemed very satisfied in interviews towards the end, that he had remained ideologically pure throughout his long life. Unfortunately it also seems like he accomplished very little after his expulsion from the Italian Communist Party in 1930.

Maybe there's no effective answer to the problems he identified? Are we supposed to just kick back in our armchairs and wait for capitalism to devour itself in the end?
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 No.483803

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>>483739
>Marx would say "ok, we need to develop a workers' state to protect
Marx would fucking shoot your faggot ass 4 being a nutsoy cocksucker instead of a communist. You do not "protect" shit you stole from da big bourgs you fucking petbourg uyghur, you eliminate the class of bourgeoisie from human society EVERYWHERE as it is, including you. & if suddenly you now have to protect muh stuff, then…

>>483735
>Every time he split his support got smaller and smaller until he was ultimately pushed out and marginalized by those with all the power.
Th@'s called "revolution in retreat" you fucking retard. It's a force of nature th@ you are not in any capacity to tamper with, & so, in the world of failed communist revolution one of the productive things you can do is dogmatizing the og theory so th@ no fucking nutsoy faggot could completely degenerate it into another strain of state liberalism with (super-)nazional characteristics ("marxism-leninism").
>Unfortunately it also seems like he accomplished very little after his expulsion from the Italian Communist Party in 1930.
Gee, I wonder why!

>>483748
>Maybe we could try both liberalisms at the same time.
</leftypol/
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 No.484059

>>483735
>>483803
I absolutely despise these purity spiraling communist who think communism is some kind of loyalty test.
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 No.484100

>>483735
If you want a boner killer for his pure and dogmatic thought, see his opinion on Trotsky.
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 No.484285

>>484100
Can you elaborate?


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 No.484270[Reply]

Is the administration of things no different from anarchism?
The claim that anarchists "wouldn't let a person be the captain of the ship" allegedly "because that's a hierarchy to them" is reductionist and wrong. In anarchism freedom means to have take responsibility for one's own actions, therefore they allow people to take up such positions on the condition that they do not use them against the interests of other people. If the captain of a ship is to use his role to take the passengers hostage then the passengers must act accordingly. That applies for any sort of society. The point is that they would in fact allow a person to be in "charge". There have even been Anarchist Federations (are there likely still are) with a general secretariat. If it is to be considered a "hierarchy" then the idea of only being opposed towards oppressive hierarchies would allow it.
Anarchists in general want society to play a part of the managerial role, rather than a selected few - because it seen as a guarantee of incompetence and disconnect from the working class by solely being the managerial forces. If the working class themselves take up the managerial role, then that is fine by anarchist standards. The only criticism that anarchists should accept is that commodity production cannot and should not exist. If there is commodity production, if there is trade, barter - that leads to a market. Markets eventually lead to the accumulation of commodities which reinstates capitalism. Bordiga correctly points out that capitalism is inherently connected to commodity production. It is therefore the task of anarcho-communists to abolish commodity production and instead adapt decentralized planning, such as participatory economics and exterminate all reactionary elements of society.
I think that leftcoms generally misunderstand anarchists, especially with the fact that so many of the self-proclaimed "anarchists" nowadays are not anarchists at all - they are just liberals engaged in identity politics. The principled anarchists will only engage in class struggle. It is as Malatesta wrote over a hundred years ago in the text - Anarchists Have Forgotten Their Principles.
I am a part of an Anarchist Federation myself, I encourage my comrades to read Marx, Engels, Lenin and above all - Bordiga. Our AF also does dialogue with the leftcoms of the group "Lotta comunista". We can find ourselves agreeing on everything except the demand for a party established on the proposed Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.484271

>>484270
Lots of typos due to a bad translation of the text
Examples:
<to have take
>to take responsibility
<are there likely still are
>there have been and there likely still are
and so on. This is a really obscure text translated from Bulgarian to English.
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 No.484272

>There is no excuse for them, but there is no point in dismissing all of their writings.
The original text included concepts with a footnote referring to the term scientific socialism, pointing to Proudhon.
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 No.484273

That's a lotta words anon…


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