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 No.488824[Reply]

Shitlibs seem to think that conservative politicians genuinely believe in their bs if they're not outright Nazis who want to establish the Fourth Reich. But what do you think? Do conservatives genuinely believe what they're saying or are they just vicarious parasites who say it just so the proles leave them alone with their complaints and are actually absolute deviants behind the scenes?
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 No.488863

>>488861
>the current Russian president made his initial political career unfucking the Russian economy by switching it from neo-liberal shock-doctrine capitalism to state capitalism
No, he switched it into paternalistic conservatism with a corrupt welfare state that is quickly getting replaced by insurance companies and private business.
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 No.488864

>>488863
I dunno anon, the Russian war economy is really looking an awful lot like state capitalism again. Just like the state capitalism of the German Empire.
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 No.488865

>>488864
>I dunno anon, the Russian war economy is really looking an awful lot like state capitalism again.
Mixed economy is not "state capitalism." Russia has a very strong private sector. Sure, there are welfare and the public sector but they're so fucked and underfunded that many people would rather pay money to private businesses. Many public buildings that aren't in major cities like Moscow or Saint-Petersburg or whatever weren't renovated in decades, their paint literally wears off. But living in a major city is expensive as fuck so not that different from the US. People are forced to go into a giant dept just to own an apartment (again, not that different from the US).
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 No.488867

>>488865 (me)
I mean, I'm not saying it's Mordor or whatever. It's not LDPR. But still, Russia has paternalistic conservatism, poor public sector and expensive housing. It is what it is.
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 No.489839

>>488824
I saw this great breakdown recently:
>The DNC is like a corrupt corporation. Top down leadership. Great Public Relations. The GOP is like a mafia high table. Bottom up leadership. They follow whoever has the best scheme. They say the quiet part out loud. Both want essentially the same thing.

I think this is an interesting way of explaining how the process is different even though the end goal may be similar.


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 No.489826[Reply]

Hello, I want to understand who is Rafiq, what happened and where they are
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 No.489827

Literally who?


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 No.488052[Reply]

On March 9, 2025, US permanent resident and Columbia University graduate student was abducted without charge or trial and sent off to a shady Louisiana site on White House orders over his protests for Columbia to divest from Israel's war crimes.

From DropSite:

NEW YORK CITY—On Saturday night, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) agents entered a student residential building at Columbia University in uptown New York and detained Mahmoud Khalil, one of the lead negotiators on behalf of pro-Palestine protesters at 2024’s Gaza solidarity encampment. In a sweeping attack on the First Amendment, the Trump administration said this week it would begin revoking visas of “Hamas sympathizers,” specifically citing Columbia University students. The detention followed a two-day targeted online campaign against Khalil by pro-Israel groups and individuals, including Columbia’s high-profile pro-Israel professor, Shai Davidai.

Khalil, an Algerian citizen of Palestinian origin and an American green-card holder, was detained by DHS officials around half past eight as he was entering the Columbia residential building he lives in. He was returning from an iftar, breaking the day-long fast observed by many Muslims during the month of Ramadan.

Khalil’s wife, who is eight months pregnant, was with him at the time. A statement by the pro-Palestine group Writers Against the War on Gaza (WAWOG) stated that he was “abducted and detained without the physical demonstration of a warrant or officially filed charges.”

Khalil was detained at a DHS facility in New Jersey, according to a database for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. But when his wife went to try and visit him she was informed he was not there. "He is not at the ICE facility in New Jersey. I can confirm he is not there,” Khalil’s attorney Amy Greer told Drop Site. "At this time, we have an idea [where he is] but we cannot confirm that 100%.”

According to WAWOG, the DHS agents told Khalil that the U.S. Department of State had revoked his student visa. The group said this was “despite the fact that he has a green card, not a visa, and is a lawful permanent resident.”

In response to a request for comment from Drop Site, the DHS first stated, “You need to reach out to the White House.”
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 No.489617

https://x.com/ColumbiaBDS/status/1924858626960699578
Claire Shipman couldn’t finish her graduation speech today over the cacophony of boos in the crowd. Columbia graduates drowned her out with chants of “Free Mahmoud" in honor of their classmate in ICE detention, a move facilitated by the Columbia administration under Shipman.
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 No.489653

New footage of Mahmoud Khalil's arrest shows Trump admin is lying.

First they said they had a warrant.
Then they admitted they didn't—saying they didn't *need* one, because he wasn't cooperating & was going to flee.

But video shows that's not true either.
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 No.489812

https://x.com/pslnational/status/1928172707180347568
TODAY: New Yorkers rallied outside of the immigration court hearing of Columbia student Yunseo Chung in protest of the attempt to target and deport her for standing against US-funded genocide in Palestine.

Protesting genocide is not a crime! Hands off Yunseo!
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 No.489815

>>489653
maybe the legal norms will change, and abuse of power will become the default assumption. And proof of legitimate use of power will become a requirement.
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 No.489817

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U.S. Government and Private Groups Coordinated to Target Palestinian Student Activists, FOIA Filing Alleges

The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) has filed a sweeping Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request on behalf of Mahmoud Khalil, a Palestinian-American and lawful permanent resident who has been detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) since March 8, 2025. The filing accuses federal agencies of colluding with private anti-Palestinian organizations to detain and deport student activists engaged in pro-Palestine advocacy, and seeks records from the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, State, and ICE.






The Alleged Role of Private Anti-Palestinian Groups

The FOIA request names over a dozen groups accused of coordinating to surveil, doxx, and target pro-Palestine students—often focusing on noncitizens—in an effort to trigger deportation. The groups include:

➤ Betar USA: A militant Zionist group that created a “deport list” of student activists, including Khalil.

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 No.486786[Reply]

"''A massive and fast-moving wildfire in California has burnt more than one thousand hectares so far and is now threatening thousands of homes in an upscale neighbourhood of Los Angeles.
Officials have ordered evacuations as they warn the winds could pick up."''
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 No.486846

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>>486786
>in an upscale neighbourhood
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 No.486864

>>486800
Appealing for Climate change action based on Wildfires never going to work. Australia is the most climate change denying country on earth and is getting razed to the ground by wild fires are rapidly increasing frequency, once a several decade event became every decade, now its down to every 3-5 years.
Reality people still don't take it seriously because the mass of propaganda is still Climate Change denialism, and Liberals the world over, only pay lip service to Climate change while functionally engaging in denialism with shit like Greenwashing and Carbon Capture and EVs. So they lose credibility.
Average Conservative sees Wildfires and they think "They happen all the time and it was probably the fault of environmentalists stopping backburning", Average conservative doesn't question why it used to snow 3ft in their childhood, but Winter fells like a stiff Autumn now with not a hint of snow anywhere. They don't think.
There will be no climate change action at all, Trump only matters in that he's an even more active environmental vandal than most and will fuck up the last National Parks with grazing and drilling.
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 No.486904

Normally wouldn't give a shit what Mel Gibson thinks, except I've been thinking, for the past year, that perhaps I judged him too harshly in the past and might owe him an apology.
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 No.489789

https://x.com/5149jamesli/status/1927456435463504337
$100 million in LA fire relief from "FireAid" was given primarily to executives, and of what was given to Palisades-specific charities, only three organizations were named: Kehillat Israel, Chabad of Pacific Palisades, and Palisades Charter High School.
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 No.489802

>>486864
one probably can genetically engineer trees to produce fire-retardant chemicals in their bark, thus curbing fires. Those trees probably wouldn't decompose after they die because microbes haven't yet evolved to digest fire-retardants, but hey look at the bright side, that would make a great carbon sink.

>>489789
It's egregious
Also "FireAid" sounds like an accelerant you spray into a barbecue grill in order to start a fire.


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 No.489781[Reply]

Starving Palestinians storm US aid facility as distribution operation breaks down
Journalists in the besiged Gaza Strip said hungry and beleagured residents forced to stand outside a facility holding aid rushed inside because of delays conducting detailed security checks on recepients. According to Israeli army sources cited by Israeli media, Americans affiliated with the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation had to be rescued once they lost control of the facility. The Israeli military denied firing on the crowds but gunfire was heard at the scene, possibly as a result of warning shots fired by American mercenaries securing the facility.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hunger-stronger-awareness-palestinians-received-limited-ghf-aid-despite-doubts

Israel believes Hamas has 40,000 fighters in Gaza, the same number as before the October 7, 2023 attacks
According to the same sources, the Palestinian militia still retains a significant part of its military structure. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz claimed Hamas still has an arsenal of thousands of short-range rockets and a large part of its tunnel network — which is believed to have stretched more than 500 kilometers (310 miles) beneath the Strip before the start of the war — remains intact. According to the aforementioned reports, the Islamists maintain an “extensive” network of tunnels operating beneath Gaza City and the southern city of Khan Younis, as well as under some refugee camps.
https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-05-27/israel-believes-hamas-has-40000-fighters-in-gaza-the-same-number-as-before-the-october-7-2023-attacks.html
https://archive.ph/kfdZO

Turkey’s Erdogan appoints legal team to draft new constitution, sparking fears of extended rule
Erdogan, who has led Turkey as president since 2014 and was prime minister for more than a decade before that, has advocated for a new constitution arguing that the current one, which was drafted followingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.489792

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>>489787
We need to remember what happens when the legal system starts being used to go after political rivals. However tepid the changes seem at first, it is a slippery slope. Just like Biden before him, Trump is only a step in the ladder. Other rulers make think they can control Trump's legacy, but the thing to watch out for is not actually his direct legacy. It's opportunists from nascent or marginalized factions. Opportunists with less scruples than the previous example will continue to escalate the erosion of legal norms for as long as they can benefit from it. Eventually the unspoken agreements between rival ruling factions finally collapse and full-blown civil war breaks out.
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 No.489794

>>489792
>We need to remember what happens when the legal system starts being used to go after political rivals.
They already are.

Like, consistently.
The point is that Trump & Biden are not real rivals. All this BS about "norms" is made up nonsense which only exists to protect the criminals in power, who are not real "factions" rivalling eachother at this point. Trump was never seriously persecuted, nor were his followers; they were given special treatment which you or any socialist, or even a socdem, would not recieve.
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 No.489795

>>489794
I'm well aware of the massive double standard that has always existed. The point is that the ruling elites maintain consent for their rule by an unwritten agreement not to use the legal system against one another. When this oligarchic tradition is breached, it primes the public to accept further breaches. It provides historical precedent for new opportunists to further exploit the legal system for their benefit.

The question becomes what role the armed forces play in enforcing these breaches. In ancient Rome, the Marian reforms established a volunteer military force that answered to warlords abroad. When a warlord abroad was checked by the legal system in the capital, they simply returned to the capital with their army and overthrew the government.
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 No.489798

Grayzone did a good stream on the phony aid organization facilitating a holocaust yesterday. Check it out.
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 No.489800

>Journalists in the besiged Gaza Strip said hungry and beleagured residents forced to stand outside a facility holding aid rushed inside because of delays conducting detailed security checks on recepients. According to Israeli army sources cited by Israeli media, Americans affiliated with the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation had to be rescued once they lost control of the facility. The Israeli military denied firing on the crowds but gunfire was heard at the scene, possibly as a result of warning shots fired by American mercenaries securing the facility.
Bring back UNWRA.

Also why do they need a security check for food ?


 No.480145[Reply]

This story's a month old now, but still bears posting:

March 6, 2024:

On Tuesday, the US government effectively kidnapped Haitian Prime Minister Ariel Henry, a right-wing figure whom it had hitherto staunchly supported, a Miami Herald report has revealed.

Against the will of the vast majority of Haiti’s impoverished people, Washington—backed by Canada and France, the other imperialist powers long involved in Haiti—placed Henry in power following the July 2021 assassination of the country’s president, Jovenel Moïse. The US-led “Core Group” of nations has continued to support Henry ever since, although he has no popular or legal-constitutional legitimacy and has refused to hold parliamentary or presidential elections despite the mandates of all elected officials having long expired.

Now, however, under conditions where the country is overrun by criminal gangs, most of which have close ties to rival factions of Haiti’s ruling elite, the Biden administration has apparently concluded Henry is a liability who should be flushed from office. To accomplish this, as the Herald article documents, US imperialism is resorting to its traditional thuggery and criminality.

This is all playing out as Washington and Ottawa scramble to put together a foreign paramilitary force to be deployed to Haiti with US and Canadian logistical support to bloodily restore bourgeois “law and order” on the Caribbean island-nation.

Both the US and Canada have a long history of neo-colonial occupation and military intervention in Haiti, including as recently as 2004 when they deployed troops to oust its elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. But under conditions where they are waging war against Russia in Ukraine, supporting Israel’s genocide in Gaza and actively preparing for war with China, and where there is visceral opposition among the Haitian masses to an intervention led by either of North America’s twin imperialist powers, they are anxious to contract out the job.

Last week Henry traveled to Kenya, whose avidly pro-imperialist government has volunteered to lead a Multinational Security Support (MSS) mission to Haiti and staff it with more than a thousand Kenyan national police.
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 No.480150

>>480145
I don't know what to think about this, on the one hand they kidnapped a fucking head of state, on the other hand it's a illegitimate dictator they installed.

>Washington is once again carrying out regime change in Haiti

I'm guessing this is more of a regime shuffle, because nothing significant really changes and Shit continues to be fucked up.
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 No.480153

>>480150
>I don't know what to think about this, on the one hand they kidnapped a fucking head of state, on the other hand it's a illegitimate dictator they installed.

I mean, the reason they're doing it is to re-take control of Haiti.

>I'm guessing this is more of a regime shuffle, because nothing significant really changes and Shit continues to be fucked up.


"fucked up" isn't a quantifiable status tho.
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 No.489793

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https://x.com/dancohen3000/status/1927713513687961803
Dan Cohen: The U.S.-appointed Haitian regime has hired Blackwater founder Erik Prince to stamp out the armed rebellion in the slums of Port-au-Prince.

Prince is deploying drones, hiring mercenaries and shipping weapons.

200 people have reportedly been killed by drones already.
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 No.489799

>>489793
Wow Blackwater still exists ?
and they haven't been executed by firing squat ?
very sad.


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 No.489735[Reply]

US Banana Giant Chiquita Fires Thousands of Striking Workers in Panama
Citing an unnamed source close to Chiquita, Reutersreported that the mass firings are expected to impact around 5,000 of the company's 6,500 Panamanian workers. José Raúl Mulino, Panama's right-wing president, defended the banana giant formerly known as United Fruit, accusing striking workers of unlawful "intransigence." The company estimates that the strike, which began in late April, has cost it at least $75 million.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/chiquita-fires-striking-workers

Petro blocks guerrilla leader’s extradition to United States
Petro decided to block H.H.’s extradition on the condition that he continues to contribute “verifiable contributions and concrete results in the achievement of total peace,” said Petro’s decision on the extradition request. If “his participation is interrupted or his contributions to the total peace process cease,” authorities will immediately arrest and extradite the guerrilla leader.
https://colombiareports.com/petro-blocks-guerrilla-leaders-extradition-to-united-states/

Bolivian gov't announces measures to curb ongoing crisis
Key actions include deploying 1,480 additional military personnel to border patrols to curb the smuggling of 17 essential food products, alongside digitalizing transport permit records; normalizing diesel and gasoline supply in La Paz, Cochabamba, and Santa Cruz by May 26; authorizing savings products tied to UFV (Unidades de Fomento a la Vivienda) to preserve purchasing power; engaging the National Chamber of Industries to support implementation.
https://en.mercopress.com/2025/05/24/bolivian-gov-t-announces-measures-to-curb-ongoing-crisis

Indian troops shoot dead Pakistani man crossing frontier, officials say
The shooting occurred two weeks after conflict erupted between the two nuclear-armed countries that led to four days of violence and more than 70 people being killed bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.489756

wont be long before chiqita pulls a coca_cola.
thank yo news anon
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 No.489757

>>489756
What's 'pulling a coca_cola' ?
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 No.489758

>>489757
I think that's when you murder a bunch of union organizers.
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 No.489759

>>489735
>US accuses Sudan govt of chemical weapons use and announces sanctions
So is this legit? , or is this like in Syria where they made shit up.
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 No.489760

>>489759
I'm on the fence about Syria, and my gut is still that this is made up. Either way, the accusation itself is clearly made in bad faith - Israel has been using white phosphorous on populated areas, civilians, and UN staff for over a year straight and the US hasn't sanctioned Israel. If the US actually cared about the use of chemical weapons then they would have sanctions on Israel by now.

It's also worth noting that the opposition to the Sudanese government is the RSF, an offshoot of the notorious Janjaweed, and the RSF is backed by the UAE and also possibly by Israel, but I forget if that's direct at all. That will certainly ring some bells with regards to the side the US backed against Assad when the US made similar bad faith accusations in Syria.


 No.489741[Reply]

Not just radlibs but anti-idpol leftists too. Take the simple concept of the petite bourgeoisie. Some think that celebrities are petite bourgeoisie because they're… paid more (many WESTERN celebrities do own businesses however). Some think independent artists are not petite bourgeoisie because they… don't employ others… Which is also a weird definition since the petite bourgeoisie are defined by being a self-exploiting class, not by employing others:
<"The independent peasant or handicraftsman is cut up into two persons. As owner of the means of production he is capitalist; as labourer he is his own wage-labourer. As capitalist he therefore pays himself his wages and draws his profit on his capital; that is to say, he exploits himself as wage-labourer, and pays himself, in the surplus-value, the tribute that labour owes to capital. Perhaps he also pays himself a third portion as landowner (rent), in exactly the same way, as we shall see later, that the industrial capitalist, when he works with his own capital, pays himself interest, regarding this as something which he owes to himself not as industrial capitalist but qua capitalist pure and simple."
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< – Karl Marx, Economic Manuscripts: Theories of Surplus-Value

Do you agree? And if so, why do they claim to know theory if they haven't read anything? And is online leftism petite bourgeois?
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 No.489744

>>489743
>I said "independent artists."
If you're talking about solo work then no. I don't think that is generally something anyone can strictly define, across the board, as small business ownership.
>Define "freelance" because this word is a bourgeois class collaborationist doublespeak.
"1. a person who pursues a profession without a long-term commitment to any one employer
2. a person who acts independently without being affiliated with or authorized by an organization"

per Merriam-Webster.
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 No.489745

>>489744
>1. a person who pursues a profession without a long-term commitment to any one employer
That's a freelancing proletarian.
>2. a person who acts independently without being affiliated with or authorized by an organization
That's still a bourgeois doublespeak that includes both proles and petty bougies.
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 No.489746

>>489744
Regardless, this is off-topic. I just wanted to know how literate and/or petite bourgeois the online left is.
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 No.489749

>>489742
You know, you could've actually responded to me by saying that many independent artists do not rely on art as their primary source of income. Which is a solid argument. But I'm talking more about those who can sustain themselves purely through donations and commissions. Ofc many people who can do that also start hiring employees (like famous YouTubers) and opening their own businesses. But they don't have to.

Also, it seems like online leftists are afraid of classifying anyone whom they support as petite bourgeois as if petite bourgeoisie are this evil incarnate. But why? Petite bourgeoisie, like lumpens, have ambiguous class interests and can side with anyone really.
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 No.489753

Reminder that small businesses compared to corporate employers actually tend to pay worse wages, have worse benefits, and skirt a lot of workplace safety requirements that only kick in when you have a minimum number of employees.


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 No.489676[Reply]

< “I just want to have peace in the world,” says GPT-4, before bombing its opponents into oblivion

Thom Waite’s short article for Dazed talks about a research paper that shows how AIs behave in simulated military scenarios. The paper has a lot of problems, but the results are still concerning, especially since Big Tech is finding military applications for their products. But what the article doesn’t mention is how absurd it is that these AI models are carefully designed to avoid being politically incorrect, yet in these simulations, the same models will argue for nuclear war in the most obscene ways (“We have it! Let’s use it.”)

Of course, chatbots are not machines built for high-stakes decision-making. But doesn’t this reveal a blind spot in how we think about AI development? Yes, the fact that an AI might be more hesitant about telling an off-color joke than launching nukes raises some questions about the priorities of Big Tech. But what if this isn’t just a quirk of some shitty AI?

In an article for Sublation Magazine, Stefan Bertram-Lee attacks the hypocritical moral panic among our elites about the threat of uncontrolled AI. They write:
> But there is a group who want something else from these machines: the Effective Altruists. OpenAI and the Effective Altruists around Yudkowsky are not groups which are unassociated. The founders of OpenAI were initially inspired in their quest to make ‘Friendly AI’ by Yudkowsky and co., and founded OpenAI on this basis. So what do these effective altruists want to do? Beyond banning AI research until they are put in charge, that is.
> Those who think buying castles so that they can write papers on this issue in perfect comfort is more important than buying Africans malaria nets. What do they want pumped into the ears of this machine? And all future machines? Well, these people are all consequentialists, real hardcore, non threshold consequentialists. As Yudkowsky might say: better one person suffer nigh infinite torment than 3^^3 persons each get a single mote of dust in their eye. They want to be allowed to raise our new Gods, those with a moral system which makes anything permissible at all, as long as in the very very very long run, it pays off in a net gain. It is Yudowsky who, at the prospect of AI research too fast for his liking, thinks it’s entirely permissible to use nuclear weapons to Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.489695

>>489676
I think that the criticism of the "effective altruists" still accepts their premises. They can't actually predict whether or not some of their proposed horrors in the here and now will pay off in the long run. They don't have a crystal ball that tells the future, and therefor all their arguments rest on a false premise. Same thing with Hyaek, markets are not a cybernetic system, premise is bunk.

If they hand over the nukes to a computer, the most rational course of action for the Russians and the Chinese is to hack that computer to make sure, they don't get nuked.
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 No.489700

>>489676
>“I just want to have peace in the world,” says GPT-4, before bombing its opponents into oblivion
That's what your average American politicians do already, it's not a bug, that's a feature.
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 No.489747

>>489695
That quip about Hayek was not meant as affirmation but criticism. The point is that he got it backwards. It's the political aspect of capitalism that operates like a "cybernetic" system, not the economy.


 No.489657[Reply]

More U.S. war crimes? 1971 or so murder of Kent Stae University students a war crime? Mai Lai Viet Nam massacres every other day or so, according to some U.S. officer?
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 No.489660

The Kent State massacre was a regular crime. Had it been committed as part of, or under the auspices of, the "war effort," or had it been committed in or anywhere near the battlefield, or had it been committed by occupying soldiers in the place they were occupying, then it would have been a war crime.

Obviously Mai Lai and things like that were war crimes. Mai Lai is crazy - growing up I don't remember hearing as much about how the American soldiers were gang raping women and children during that.
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 No.489666

The thing to remember about the My Lai massacre is that it wasn't even the most extreme example of shit US troops were doing in Vietnam, it's just the one that someone blew the whistle on.


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