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 No.467807[Reply]

I'm asking my self whether or not the neocons are nothing but blood-dripping salesmen for the arms-industry, and all their ideological stuff is foolishness.

I'm not looking for cheap shots, like proving they never achieve their stated goals like "winning the war on terror". Just assume it's part of their strategy to lie about their true goals.

I used to think that they were both effective at generating profits for the arms industry and also furthering US imperial power. But I don't think that anymore.

For example the wars in the middle east caused something like a war-chaos-belt that separated Europe from Asia and prevented the formation of "Ꭼurꭺsian" (loaded term) economic integration that could potentially become an economic block that would be many times more powerful than the US. So in that sense you could look at the failed wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and so on as somewhat effective at maintaining US hegemonic power.

But it turns out that it wasn't the case. The conclusion that most analysts are drawing now is that the US wasted a bunch of time and effort fucking up the Arabs. And was nothing but a distraction that allowed China to grow into an economic powerhouse that is now more or less untouchable for the foreseeable future.

The Ukraine crisis again follows a similar structure, it seemed like a viable way to separate Russian-German economic cooperation by creating a trade-disrupting war-zone and political-capital for economic separation, so that economic integration may not lead to a Russo-European economic block that would have been more powerful than the US.

But it turns out that this wasn't the case either. The result of the Ukraine crisis is:

Sino-Russian economic integration. Which might lead to the formation of a much more powerful economic block than the Russo-European one. But the consequences don't stop at undoing the Sino-Soviet split. It also has killed the economic power of Europe which means that a potential Trꭺnsatlꭿntiꮸ (loaded term) economic block is much weaker now.
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 No.477440

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The neocons are planning to seize the frozen Russian assets in order to continue funding the Ukraine proxy war.

Western finance went REEEEEE DON'T, this will trash our reputation and spook the investors

The Unintended Consequences of Seizing Russian Assets
https://internationalbanker.com/news/why-attempts-to-divert-frozen-russian-assets-could-seriously-damage-the-wests-credibility/
<the West is persisting in its endeavours, with a proposal to use frozen public Russian assets to finance Ukraine
<For many other countries, however, freezing Russian assets is widely perceived as a method the US-led West employs to weaponise its primary currencies. The European Central Bank warned in June that using interest-rate proceeds from the frozen assets could prompt other central banks to “turn their backs” on the euro,
<“The implications could be substantial: it may lead to a diversification of reserves away from euro-denominated assets, increase financing costs for European sovereigns and lead to trade diversification,” the note added. And Bank of America analysts led by Michael Hartnett recently noted in a report that “US dollar debasement is the ultimate outcome as the dollar is weaponized in a new era of sanctions.”
<Such fears are thus expediting not only the ongoing global trend of de-dollarisation but also the construction of viable alternative financial systems by China or even Russia.
<nations and regions have accelerated efforts in recent months towards arrangements aimed at reducing their dependence on the dollar. At the heart of these de-dollarisation initiatives is the fear in many capitals that the US could someday use the power of its currency to target them the way it has sanctioned Russia
<Indeed, central banks are already calling back their offshore gold assets to domestic storage facilities in increasing quantities over such fears.
<According to the results, a substantial percentage of central banks are concerned about the precedent set by the US freezing Russian rPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.481614

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=AaLX8ozOJRA
Starting at 1:09:00 Alexander Mercouris sums up how the Neocons managed to unite all of the US's adversaries and make them forge alliances, creating a geopolitical opponent that is so large and powerful that it will be indomitable. And the irony is that the early neocons from the 70s like Brzezinski, warned about this.
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 No.481616

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>>481614
I feel like the neocons ultimately got exactly what they wanted though: an enemy so large that they can justify another massive spending spree on their friends in the military industry.
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 No.481620

>>481616
Yeah you might be right the neocons may simply be motivated by Number go up for defense contractors. And there is no grand strategy or anything.

But an arms race against all that ?

The US and the EU plus a few other countries just lost at war supply logistics against just Russia in Ukraine. I can't fathom trying that against a block that is over an order of magnitude larger.
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 No.482312

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=e2fHem1IjK0

Consider the following:
The neocon Ukraine scheme resulted in Russian relations with ROC (South Korea) withering and they now went for an alliance with the DPRK (North Korea). Including a mutual defense agreement and military exchange.

Neocon sanctions damaged Venezuelan oil production, resulting in Cuba no longuer getting fuel from Venezuela. The neocon sanction against Russia eliminated any incentive the Russians had to not break the blockade against Cuba. The Russians have begun sending fuel and other exports to Cuba.

Add up these developments to other events like the severing of German-Russian economic ties via hijacking of EU foreign policy and the Nordstream gas pipeline sabotage, or the reversal of the Sino-Soviet split by antagonizing both Russia and China at the same time.

I can see a pattern emerging
The neocons are trying to revert the international relations to how it was during the depths of the cold war.

Conclusions
I think the neocons realized that they personally flourished during the cold-war political climate, but when the detente came, all that went away, and society turned towards peace-makers instead. That's why they are trying to recreate those conditions. They simply are optimizing for rising personal careers as cold-warriors, and that's it. Nothing else. All the damage they are causing to the west's geopolitical status , because that strategy no longer works in present material conditions, isn't part of their considerations.

I'm proposing to call this political solipsism

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 No.481725[Reply]

there is not one reason why i should help them or make their life easier. they generalize and exagerate about every government on earth ever. they lie through their teeth as natural as as they breath. they take advantage of the progressive zeitgeist that happen in society. they take advantage of everybody lying about nation/tribe/etc that are againts the libtard view of the world. they take advantage of people not caring but still having the drive to bully the non-"""normie""" part of society. not a single healthy society from the stone age up to now allow them to speak. THEY SHOULD BE ROPED!!!! when we have a new hammer&sickle revolution they should- no- MUST! THEY MUST BE ROPED!!!!
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 No.481951

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>>481725
The world was better before SJW.
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 No.482200

>>481951
So just to be clear: "class reductionism" is a word that feds made up, doesn't exist and politics focused on gender and race are called identity politics and are counter-revolutionary, did I get that right? I just want to know that I'm not crazy for believing this.
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 No.482206

>>481951
>>482200
That's RIGHT!!!!
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 No.482223

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>>482200
Das right, uyghur. The core of identarism (= "racism", "sexism", "ageism", "ableism", "classism" ("people of means") & so on) is social division cringed on inherent characteristics of individuals & specific groups & subsequent ruling over the unleashed societal chaos. The more chaos is there @ the bottom, the more order there is @ the top.
If they like to tug the rope so much, let them do that with their actually fucking privileged necks. They do not want to dismantle the system of killing alienation, they only want to better their own positions in it by means of societal discrimination, & therefore they are the most rabid pro-system anticommunists of our times since they are the middle class of the present world.

>>481725
They are not persons, they are system-serving fascists.
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 No.482302

>>482223
>classifying 'billionaire' as a slur
Good. This is funny and provocative.

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 No.482164[Reply]

So, Saudi Arabia is ditching the prtodollar. Isn't that wild?
What does /leftypol/ make of this one?
Thoughts? Feelings? What's going on?
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 No.482188

Things have been set in motion that can't be turned back now. A big question I'd like answered is whether or not Modern Monetary Theory still applies when you're no longer the world's currency hegemon.


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 No.482189

>>482188
>Things have been set in motion that can't be turned back now.
Technically the US could do a massive political shift away from militarism towards civilian production of goods, and then the rest of the world would try to buy those goods and the Dollar exodus would reverse. The US has a lot of natural resources, a large workforce and a lot of high tech know how that makes this possible. The probability of that happening is somewhat low. The more likely outcome is that no significant political shift occurs and the currently gradual Dollar exodus will go on for a while, but as more and more feedback mechanisms kick in it'll begin to accelerate and follow the curve of an inverted logistical distribution.

>A big question I'd like answered is whether or not Modern Monetary Theory still applies when you're no longer the world's currency hegemon.
Yes and No. The value theory parts of MMT were never correct, regardless of the currency hegemony status. The political application of MMT can still work. Specifically the public sector economy can print money to hire every last employment-excluded citizen as long as those people are instructed to do productive labor (in the strict Marxist definition) and there would be no resulting increase in inflation. There are some caveats, this assumes the US chooses a geo-political path of a managed de-dollarization with a soft-landing. If they continue down the path of ramping up militarism, currency wars and trade wars it'll cause a hard landing with significant inflation pressure, that would make MMT schemes more difficult.
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 No.482197

>>482189
Controlling inflation is as simple as a government-mandated price freeze. The US itself has done it at least twice in history. Inflation isn't controlled, or rather, is actively sought out, because it's a policy to keep workers desperate and difficult to organize.
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 No.482208

The best way to beat inflation long-term is by controlling inflation in land prices - IE taxing the shit out of land speculation so that it becomes unprofitable and land prices drop.
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 No.482214

>>482197
>>482208
So you want to take on big real estate hedge funds like Blackrock ? What's your "game-plan" for doing that ?

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 No.482116[Reply]

Our society is organized by identity. We have systems that recognize somebodies identity and that grants/denies access to powers and resources. While that mostly works, we might be able to do better. I propose as an alternative that we organize around deeds instead, and have systems recognize actions rather than identities.

History of identities
Early tribal societies used identities and lineages to prevent inbreeding. In slave societies identity was used to keep track of slaves. And in feudal societies identities were used to attach hereditary political power to people. Identity also served persecution alot, for example: which hunting, or in ww2 the Nazis holocausting the Jews. States use identity to attempt to conscript-nap people and force them to wage wars.

Anonymity
This is what enabled many slaves to free them selves. It is what enabled many Jews to evade the extermination camps. It also is necessary for democracy, because votes have to be anonymous in order to prevent coerced votes. Anonymity became a political value during the beginning of the bourgeois revolutions, and are conceptually based on early cities where masses of people had to cooperate without being able to know everybody.

examples for proof of deed, recognize action instead of identity
We already use some systems that recognize action but not identity. For example when you buy a ticket for amusement rides, the ticket grants you access by proving that you payed for the ride, and there is no need to recognize your identity. Voting systems can also work entirely without identity, people vote anonymously, then stick their thumb into a die that stains the skin for a few days and prevents voting more than once.

Political intentions
Proof of deed systems are better at enabling rewards for beneficial actions, while proof of identity systems skew a lot more towards punishment. Proof of deed systems are less easily abused for persecution. Identities also get abused to establish aristocratic domination (privilege for me and burden for thee). So less persecution, more fairness and motivation by the carrot rather than the stick.

A society of the deed would be anonymous safe for interpersonal relations, and perhaps counter-intuitively also more orderly, since it operates on actions directly. One would have to try it out to know for sure.
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 No.482134

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holy hell nig next you're going to tell me that objective truth doesn't exist you Machfag
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 No.482148

>>482134
>objective truth doesn't exist
>Mach
Where do see that in the opening post ?

Why do you think this proposal would philosophically break with materialism and a conception of objective reality ?
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 No.482150

>>482148
Ok I re-read your op. I thought that you were suggesting that systems of identification drove historical development instead of relations of production.
Is your post instead about information technology? I'm confused about the applications of 'deed actions'. If there were to be incentives for a public program it would need financing whether that be in money or labor time. If that's the case then a coupon only system would shut an organizing party out of doing analytics which would be important for evaluating success outside of a raw number of times a program was accessed. What would be the benefit?
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 No.482161

>>482150
>I thought that you were suggesting that systems of identification drove historical development instead of relations of production.
No, i just added the historic bits for context.
>Is your post instead about information technology?
I suppose it would also have an effect on that as well, to be honest i haven't thought that far ahead. I ranted about bio-metrics because i think that it is foolish, and this was just another opportunity to bring that up.
>I'm confused about the applications of 'deed actions'.
You are going too fast, I'm not yet thinking about applications, to me this is in the stage where we think about the philosophy of organizing principles. Most of our current systems of organizing, at the most fundamental level begin with detecting the identity of people interacting with it. I think it's possible that we might do better with systems that center on detecting actions instead of identities. Conceptually the next thought would be to figure out all the ways to recognize an action.
>If there were to be incentives for a public program it would need financing whether that be in money or labor time.
Not yet, i think we would have to begin experimenting in a setting where the stakes are lower. I think this is a very novel idea and it will require trial and error to get a bearing on what works and what doesn't.
>If that's the case then a coupon only system would shut an organizing party out of doing analytics which would be important for evaluating success outside of a raw number of times a program was accessed. What would be the benefit?
This is a reasonable starting point. A coupon for a deed, that would be a system that centers on recognizing actions. Obviously that won't be sufficient. The coupon system would fall short in many ways. Once you collected experience, you can formulate additional structures to compensate for those shortcomings. Figuring this out would be a process. It's not going to be just one mechanism, it'll be multiple ones working in concert.

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 No.480629[Reply]

I have been banned from leftypol.org for saying, that you can be a leftist and also oppose trans-ideology. This is not a fringe position, since Sahra Wagenknecht openly voiced her opposition against trans-ideology in the german parliament live on TV. And yes, she calls it that way.
I'm interested, how this site here will react to left-conservative opinions.
https://www.sahra-wagenknecht.de/de/article/3336.ihr-gesetz-macht-eltern-und-kinder-zu-versuchskaninchen-der-pharmaindustrie.html
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 No.482154

>>482149
The Arabs/Muslims were never part of the "Israeli" project and have no reason to ever want to be part of such a beast. Political purges imply that standing members of the party are beholden to the party. You can't fight City Hall as a subject.

The Palestinians have always refused to be subjects, and only regard the Entity so far as they must abide something monstrously evil to get the Zionist to go away. "Purge" implies that there was any friendship of the political sort between them. You would not speak of purging society except by institutions which can claim the minds and souls of everyone against their will. That would be religion, except the participants here follow very different religions that are diametrically opposed and know this. So there is one way for purging to work - schools, and mind control efforts.
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 No.482155

>>482153
The challenges of purges are that political officers see a purge as something they must prevent to save themselves, and purges are only possible with loyal officers. Stalin cannot personally purge 50 gorillion Russians with his bare hands - that's not how it went down, and purges are never led by imperious will. They are led by factions within a party, against rival factions and through institutions that were under the command of political officers. Every general in an army knows who their bosses are, and the dangers of becoming their own boss if they think about history for five minutes.
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 No.482156

>>482152
>The Nazi MO is that only members of their club were "real".
The internal loyalty in Fascist political formations wasn't that great, they did a lot of back-stabbing.
>The point of the Nazis was to maximize the thrill of torture
From the perspective of the sadistic assholes they enlisted perhaps, but from a historic perspective fascism would appear to be national suicide on behalf of the most powerful capitalists. In WW2 you could see Germany being sacrificed to damage the Soviet Union. Japan in a way was sacrificed too, they could have surrendered to China or the Soviets, which would have spared them a lot of US Areal bombardment with fire bombs and of course the 2 nukes.

>when dealing with actual enemies, the Nazis were lazy and ineffectual
There is a history of fascists choosing bad strategy, so i'll give you ineffectual, but lazy ? I don't think so.

>The people the Nazis purged were poor people who did nothing to them except look unsightly and fail to fit into their race-faggotry.
Interesting thought, however the top figures in the Nazi movements were not attractive or "well put together". The Nazi movie villains tend to have a particular fashion style, but if you look at actual historic pictures, not so much.

>as long as they had someone to kick down, they were safe - until they were not.
Yeah it does look like Fascism creates these sacrificial hierarchies.
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 No.482157

>>482153
>For our personal political affairs, purging the Satanic is simple - we simply do not allow them inroads into life ever again, and destroy any insinuation the moment it starts. This would require a social engineering strategy working against the dominant one. That is - we would be declaring war against this society.

Declaring war against society seems like bad advice tho. For successful mass politics you have to divert most of your efforts towards elevating the beneficial things, obviously some effort has to be diverted to prevent wreckers from derailing the political goals, but that can not be the priority.
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 No.482158

>>482155
>The challenges of purges are that political officers see a purge as something they must prevent to save themselves, and purges are only possible with loyal officers. Stalin cannot personally purge 50 gorillion Russians
Reasonably unbiased historians estimated that Stalin's purges affected between 1800 and 3000 people during his roughly 30 year in political office. I'm not going to judge the morality of that, because those were a very different times and i don't know how to weigh things like facing an existential struggle in the world wars, nearly a century removed from that.

I'm only looking at this from the point of view of political strategy. Take for example a few years ago that situation in Venezuela, where that CIA-guido tried to usurp the Maduro government. Maduro could have cracked down hard, because of attempted sedition and treason, but he did no such thing, eventually the wrecker just faded into obscurity. That's what we want.

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 No.481934[Reply]

For some reason many people are very reluctant to get vaccines as a means to boost their immune response to hazardous microbes.

There is another solution if we made people with DNA from 6 parents instead of only 2, humans would get a rate of genetic adaptation that should be beyond the maximum rate of adaptation through mutation for viral, fungal and bacterial infections.

This would involve artificial fertilization with 2 normal parents + 4 random DNA donors. For best effect we'd draw DNA donor-samples from the entire planet. As bonus various genetic diseases like mitochondrial dysfunction would get wiped out as well (that's already being treated through tri-parent DNA) , the common cold would probably become a rare occurrence affecting only a very small number of people. Metabolically people would have to expend less energy on immunological function and we'd get a boost in brain-power, muscles and endurance.

It would probably annoy the Eugenics crowd if we did that. To be clear eugenics never had a basis in real biology, so this does not make any material difference, it's just surplus enjoyment of an ideological middle finger.

Practically speaking if you wanted a Hexa-child. You and the other parent would have to give your DNA to the big DNA-lottery and then you get 4 random DNA samples in return.

By the way the medical tech already exists, so for this to become a thing, it only requires organization.

I'm curious if there's any takers ?
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 No.482060

>>482043
>He's been watching too much Farscape. Photosynthesis doesn't produce enough energy to facilitate mammal metabolism.
>>482058
>Im well aware that photosynthesis isnt enough for mammalian consumption on its own but its worth a shot.

Doing photosynthesis could potentially bypass some chemical conversions, and that likely would mean slower metabolic aging, especially if you can manage direct ATP molecule production. But it doesn't mean independence from food.

>>482058
>Notice how I said ACTUAL ciminals.
Ok this is your intention. Lets set that aside for a moment.
I think your methods don't work and will not create the change you seek.

If you do a sterilization on a population, the only variable that matters is that the people who can evade the sterilizations are the ones that have offspring. What your intentions are is completely irrelevant. Traits like deception and aggression are likely useful for getting past the "sterilization filter". Do you understand, you are not the one that chooses which traits are being selected for. You create an evolutionary obstacle and natural selection will choose every single trait that gets organisms past the obstacle. Natural selection is a heartless bitch and will smack you with unintended consequences.
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 No.482064

The only animals that derive significant energy from photosymbioses are ones that barely move at all, namely sponges and corals. The only photosymbiosis found in a vertebrate to date is in the yellow spotted salamander, where green algae inhabit the cells of embryos. The function isn't necessarily energy though, it's to provide extra oxygen for eggs commonly laid in oxygen-poor ponds.
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 No.482083

>>482064
>The only animals that derive significant energy from photosymbioses are ones that barely move at all, namely sponges and corals.
That's not how you would make humans able to gain energy from photosynthesis. Our immune system wouldn't allow for that kind of symbioses.
However human skin pigmentation cells are already half way there and already can do certain types of photo-chemistry, it would be a minor modification on that system to get the effect.
You are correct that we wouldn't get enough energy from this to power any kind of locomotion, but you probably would get a boost for generating homeostasis at rest. If a person were do a type of meditation that brings down the metabolic rate to deep sleep levels, it would likely help people to survive famine for much, much longer. In normal conditions, the energy you get from photo-chemistry would remove metabolic strain from the rest of the organism. You probably get a small longevity boost from this. Also all the light you convert into energy won't burn your skin and you'd get better protection from sunburn, as a result your skin would age slower.

If you adjust your expectation to realism levels, instead of science fantasy transhumanism of bio engineering the homo-deus. Something like this could be considered a medical procedure that brings enough health benefits that makes it worth it.
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 No.482100

>>482083
The biological machinery involved in photosynthesis is a big complicated system involving many things, including systems to protect against the damaging reactive oxygen species produced in the process. It would make much more sense to initiate an endosymbiotic event with cyanobacteria or some kind of algae via immune tinkering than attempt to re-invent the wheel with a panoply of new genes.
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 No.482111

>>482100
This is an interesting choice.

You are right making the cellular machinery to get all the biochemistry worked out will require some doing. However people use oxygen too. If you can get it into O² form, you can just dump it into a blood-vessel and it's attach to a red blood cell. It'll get metabolized.

While algae require none of that, herding cyanobacteria and making sure accidental mutation do not result in detriments to the host isn't without it's challenges either.

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 No.481087[Reply]

What are we to do with the ever-increasing agespan of adolescence?
This is a serious problem in the first and second world.
Why is it normalised to waste away your teens and twenties (AND THIRTIES!!!) in quiet despair and zero technical skills?

Generation X and Millennials have normalised mediocrity in youth.
They even say worldly exposure/attributes in youth are elitist.
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 No.481670

>>481668
I understand that the capitalists did universal education because they needed more educated workers, and a place to store the children while parents wage-slaved. But that doesn't make it a bad thing, the Soviets and all the other socialist projects did the same thing, they also send children to school.

However I'm willing to hear you out on what you think Marx wanted and how it differs from what capitalism did.
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 No.481672

>>481670
Marx said children should start working st age nine and be given moderate hours
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 No.481673

>>481672
In the 18 hundreds children often began working in the fields or factories when they were six years old and often had to work long shifts.

I can't be bother to check if your assertion is true.
So if Marx suggested to raise the work-force entry-age to 9 years as well as reducing the hours to "moderate" , that would make him somebody who sought to reduce child-labor, relative to the usual praxis of his time.
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 No.481707

>>481673
regardless I think kids should be involved in theprocess of industriaility.

Adults accuse kids of being lazy leeches but ban kids from the real world.

Also, academic skills dont mean shit in the real world.
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 No.482101

I think this needs to be discussed more.
People complain about ableism amd ageism but then talks about "brain development" as an excuse to disqualify young people from worldly affairs.

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 No.480901[Reply]

I wouldnt, If would, Describe reasons.

The goverment and healthcare system keeps letting me down, Why should i?

As a pussyfree man myself, Id betray my whole nation like it betrayed me just to have a chance to get a girlfriend, What has it ever done for me? Get bullied here, Ridiculed, Abandoned by the healthcare system, Denied XRAY, Denied this, Denied that, Denied meeting the right doctor. I dont even celebrate national day, This country is shit anyway, Is it even my country if i dont get pussy in it? Nah its not!

Is it even your country if your countrymen dont stand up for you to prevent you from being bullied? Is it even your countrymen if they keep belittling you and making fun of you?

Is it even your country if you get no say in what you want to do in said country? Is it even your country if you have to pay taxes to get nothing in return not even an XRAY at the doctors office if it was needed?

Heck idgaf about nationalism for the shithole i live in, Wait a whole month to meet a doctor so i can be rejected for the help im needed, nah this isnt my country, Fuck this country, The russians can just go ahead and invade it, Idgaf anymore.
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 No.481242

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>>481235
>China
>imperialist states.
WHAT HOW
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 No.481270

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>>480911
End military Coercion
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 No.482092

>>482089
I think that if they keep edging towards ww3, the dominant political trend will become radical assertive pacifism. Where people reject the concept of war as ideological extremism in the service of a conspiracy to commit mass murder. Everybody will have to earn their right to life via dedication to diplomacy.

Not gonna lie, this will be rough and I'm not looking forward to this, but if the alternative is nuclear annihilation by ww3… Maybe we should just skip all the madness and focus all the energy on building a world that is a pleasant place where everybody can have a long and prosperous life.
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 No.482094

>>481167
The masses around the world overwhelming oppose any geopolitical game. Their local interests are the area close to them, not the demarcated borders of kings and states. If you asked working class people around the world about other nations, after the perfunctory bigotry of local preference, they will admit freely they really have nothing to do with someone on the other side of the world and that suits them just fine - or, they recognize that all around the world the working class, if such a thing can exist, shares the same enemies who always collaborate with each other. Groups of the working class is set against each other by powers which are not of of either group, but who have made it inadmissible to suggest that those powers can change - hence the invocation of "human nature" and other such faggotry.

The empire isn't going anywhere. The worse the conditions of its people, the stronger the hold of the empire. The last thing an empire ever wants to do is let its people live free. If that happens, they will see the empire as a gigantic ripoff and a waste of their money.
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 No.482095

>>481167
The American working class is not invested in the "idea of America" or the "idea of Europe" or any other place. A territory is a place. The genuine interest of the nation - if you can speak of the Americans and Europeans as nations - is to get rid of these intriguers who foment wars where no war had to be made. The idea of Europe was proven to be a false idea by 1914, and there is no relitigating that. Whether some Europeans want to accept that or fetishize their gaudy state flags, they know that the only reason their countries are set apart is because rich people play the people off each other with a free hand.

What people want is precisely what they are denied - space to call their own, without some asshole insinuating that this is actually the king's forest, the king's city, the king's farmland, the king's mountain… you get the idea. Some other person who is in the same situation as you would not be a reasonable cause when it is very clearly the king, or the king's people and the class supporting the king, that created the enclosure. If someone from another part of the world specifically came to your village and acted like an ass and did so entirely for their own purposes, that is a different thing. So far as there is a collective awareness within a nation, it only is the common knowledge base that its members are connected to, rather than something inextriably linked to a "national mind" or a corporate body calling itself the nation.

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https://committeetounleashprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Them-vs-Us_CTUP-Rasmussen-Study-FINAL.pdf



The survey is a first-of-its-kind look at the views of the American Elite – defined as people having at least one post-graduate degree, earning at least $150,000 annually, and living in high-population density areas (more than 10,000 people per square mile in their zip code) – and compares them to what the average American thinks. The Elites represent 1% of the U.S. population but have an outsized voice on public policy in the United States, with their views seeming somehow to dominate the national conversation. This may be because it is the Elites themselves who determine what that conversation will be about on campus, in the legacy media, and corporate board rooms. Not surprisingly, these people talk about politics far more than most Americans. The data show that nearly a third of them (30%) talk about politics daily or almost every day. Just 9% of the voting public do. It is worth noting that members of the Elites who talk about politics daily have views that are even further removed from the opinions of the voting public. This is true even when the Elites self-identify as Republicans. They typically may be more conservative than Elite Democrats but they still have attitudes and opinions that are far removed from those of the typical American voter. The Elite class – regardless of party – is an exclusive club that sees and experiences America through a different lens than ordinary Americans.

These results confirm what people have long suspected: today, there are two Americas. One is wealthier, more highly educated, and attended the best schools. They put much more trust in big government “to do the right thing” and, by their own admission, benefit from more expansive government policies. They have also been hurt far less by the high inflation of the Biden presidency than those who live from paycheck to paycheck and are in the lower and middle classes.

This Grand Canyon-sized chasm between where every day Americans stand on the state of the country, expanding government power, draconian climate change solutions, and Joe Biden’s job performance may partly explain the Donald Trump phenomenon and his high approval ratings among working-class voters,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.478794

>>478792
stay in your own thread schizo
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 No.479313

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ffs upload .pdf
Not hard
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 No.481964

>>478794
It's a pretty accurate take, if you don't or can't read just ignore it.
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 No.481971

>>481964
>necrobumping to defend schizospammer
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 No.482225

>>481971
>seethe so hard you forget about sage

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Kevin Reed
06/03/2024

The collapse of the water infrastructure in Atlanta, Georgia, that began on Friday and left a large section of the city without any water expanded on Sunday with two more ruptures being investigated by water department officials.

The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported Sunday that the water department warned residents and businesses near Euclid and North Avenues northeast of downtown and near 1190 Atlantic Drive NW north of downtown. It said that they will likely “experience the kinds of disruptions that have plagued Atlanta since the first water main break was discovered Friday.”

Atlanta Mayor Andre Dickens declared a state of emergency in the city at a press conference on Saturday night after the massive disruption of water service resulted in a boil water advisory from the City of Atlanta Department of Watershed Management. Dickens said the city was “working around the clock to bring us safe drinking water in the city of Atlanta.”

The water main collapse that shut down water service in all of downtown Atlanta began after corroded 48-inch and 36-inch pipes burst sometime on Friday at an intersection of three primary water lines in the city. The City of Atlanta released a map showing a large area across the city that has been impacted by the collapse.

Hours went by before the city made any announcements about what was happening or when the water would be restored. The city’s Water Service Interruptions Map identifies the locations where the breaks occurred and simply says, “Crews are investigating a potential water main break …” with no further information.

The water main failure impacted Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, Fulton County and Atlanta government facilities and the Mercedes-Benz Stadium and the State Farm Arena. High-rise apartment buildings were also left with no water pressure.

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 No.481893

>>481892
True! But spending a bunch on basic infrastructure maintenance and expansion is, like, expensive!
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 No.481894

>>481893
Waterlines and sewers is the type of infrastructure that works nearly flawlessly in non-failed states. The US is supremely rich, it's a faulty priority problem, not one of expense.
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 No.481899

>>481894
True!
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 No.481920

>>481891
its made for phones so the paragraphs are small
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 No.481925

Atlanta water seems to be back on after 5 days. We'll see.

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