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 No.498549[Reply]

they demand you work, as a neet im what marx would call lumpenproletariat trash

under nazism, I'd be called shy worker and get instantly killed iif i happen to be a neet in Nachi germany

But yeah, neeting is my best option rn. It's just not available to everyone.

after a long journey through fascism, communism, and many other isms, i have settled on the fact i value freedom over most things, and the only ideology that gels with that is anarchism
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 No.498550

Most lumpenproles also work, actually. It's not a state of unemployment by definition, it's usually just really shitty, or taboo, low level work, sometimes illegal.

The idea that communism "demands" work is dumb. Socialism offers massive jobs programs, that's not a "demand," that's not "forced labor," that's community, that's mobilization, that's enablement for anyone to get paid, regular work without having to go out begging for it. Anyone who would still be a "NEET" under such circumstances would almost certainly be too disabled to be forced into anything.
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 No.498561

>>498549
OP nobody likes work, you just have the privilege of being able to NEET instead of being homeless and starving. Communists actually acknowledge that works does suck, and it's probably going to suck for quite some time still, but at least communists understand that with automation we can reduce the number of hours in the work week. And in later stages of socialism work won't feel like you're going to work, it will be closer to how natives feel about going out hunting for their tribe, they don't complain about it being a grind.
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 No.498567

>>498550
all NEETs should be deported from the 3rd world to accelerate the building of the productive forces and the accumulation of capital there.

All NEETs in the 3rd world should be deported to the 1st world to accelerate the collapse of the imperial core.


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 No.498514[Reply]

Russia is only pretending to support and fund nazis to ragebait the west!
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 No.498559

To this day I don't fully get communists' aversion to criticizing Russia, a capitalist oligarchy. Just because they're a historic ally and antagonise the West?
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 No.498560

>>498514
OP what are you talking about specifically? Are you just regurgitating state department propaganda? This seems like lazy bait, 1/10
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 No.498562

Do we need not have enough jannies lately? This low effort spam has been on the front page rather long now.


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 No.498508[Reply]

so-called "free" markets tend towards monopoly. It's easy to understand this when you don't have a log stuck in your eye. Economies of scale. Network effect. Competition is bullshit
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 No.498510

Whoa.
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 No.498518

there is no such thing as markets
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 No.498536

>>498508
Yep. This was basically figured out in/by the 1800s; not even just by socialists, guys like Henry George were able to observe that wealth accrued in the hands of a few even as national wealth increased. Neoliberal "freedom" is actually just the "freeing" of wealth and power from any kind of democratic (or popular, if you will) checks. "Free markets" with no mechanism to curb rentseeking, corporate power (even the early US was stricter about corporate charters than the present-day US), and monopolistic control are actually just backdoor Fascism.
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 No.498537

>>498536
Well said.
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 No.498558

Preaching to the choir brotha


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 No.488634[Reply]

If you are not posting on 4chan you are failing as a leftist in the most fundemental way possible. Right now there is a huge opportunity to use the market crash and consequential recession that is coming to turn a lot of dissolusioned right wingers over to our side. To the side of truth, reason and sanity. I post on /b/ at the very least when a thread comes up revolving around trump and go on pol daily. We have to be where they are. We cannot just keep sequestering ourselves off in our hug boxes all the time. You have to be posting on 4chan as well.
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 No.498521

>>488634
"cOnVErTinG NAzeEs" is a fools errand and it's always proposed by a crypto fascist to either waste the left's time or to save the fuck head reactionaries he identifies with, or both.
If anything trying to save quote unquote "liberals" is orders of magnitude more productive than exhausting yourself trying to convince some CHUD black people are human.
Most liberals are apolitical and have uncritically accepted the dominant political ideology, they don't have any material interest in liberalism or any real convictions about it.
Your friends will face the wall during the revolution, and there's nothing you can do about it. Cope.
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 No.498524

>>498517
This is why no one takes leftoids seriously
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 No.498525

>>498509
I happen to be behind one. CGNAT is getting more common around the world. And there's almost no IPv6 in my country, rare and expensive. Soo here I am.
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 No.498531

>>498521
Serious question why do you hate being white?
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 No.498532

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>>498524
>>498524
I mean he's not wrong. Going outside just means "coonsooming" There's nothing meaningful outside in the world anymore. Sure the occasional hang out with an old buddy or a drink with some friends is one thing but this constant obsession with touching grass is so gay. I'm going to sit at home like a miser and save up money so I can actually survive capitalism when i get old and decrepit.

I know the left in the modern age is a bunch of do nothing ultras.


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 No.497886[Reply]

>be euro
>not have one of these
>die
why are they like this?
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 No.498326

>>498323
>I'm broke
This is fair, but a window from China isn't expensive.

The rest of your post is cope, you can just use a piece of cardboard and tape until you figure out a better solution.

There is some retarded cultural shit where euros have to make every excuse to defend not having one. It's basically cope - the climate has changed. Adapt or suffer.
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 No.498327

>>498318
>it's nationalism
That kinda makes sense actually. EU is a lot further north than Burgerland so it's mostly cope to justify something.
>Europeans, even western ones, are actually quite ignorant on average
It's especially the western ones, they have the same propaganda brainrot America does but they think they're superior anyway. Eastern europe at least went through communism and kept some of the societal cultural benefits from that era.

Anyways the west is retarded, only communism can fix this. QED
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 No.498346

>>498325
I was in Frankfurt, so "West" Germany.
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 No.498400

retro eschaton "negative space" pension to reboot FULLY AUTOMATIC SPACE COMUNISM! #rokosbasilisk
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 No.498459

>>497886
<be European
>have one ASHP to heat house during spring and autumn
<use cooling down 2 weeks in a year


 No.498442[Reply]

From The Anti-Empire Project:
YouTube takes down old videos discussing the writings and speeches of Israeli-assassinated Resistance leaders (3 and counting), also eliminates (and reinstates) The East is a Podcast. Why I'm leaving this place, and where to find future videos.

Justin Podur and the Anti-Empire Project is leaving YouTube due to increasing sitewide censorship and suppression of free discussion & documentation.
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 No.498446

>>498445
No it's really not, like I said AI can walk you through it. And peers on peer tube can be censored. And the average peer tube instance is fucking shit show.
For whatever reason, every open source solution seems to be completely enable to meet even basic UI standards.
There desperately needs to be a way that users can meaningfully drive the development of open source projects the same way developers can contribute code.
And self hosting and hosting on federations aren't mutually exclusive.
The major stumbling block of any federated solution I've ever used is search. You cannot practically find anything this isn't right on your own instance.
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 No.498447

>>498445
You can go through the Palestine threads here (as well as, iirc, at least one of the Iran War threads) if you want to know more about his work. Podur is an extremely prolific analyst who has been documenting and discussing news about the resistance, war, and Palestine for years. He also writes articles about this stuff. He's extremely well known as far as independent media about this goes, and YouTube cracking down on him and stuff related to what he reports on so hard that he leaves the platform is its own phenomenon worthy of discussion. I think this might be the only time I've opened a thread about one of his videos, but tbh plenty of his past ones would be worthy of a thread.

>It's completely unreasonable to expect every individual to self host.

Hard disagree with this part of your reply to that anon.
Not even just on an individual basis - we have orgs, and the vast majority of those aren't offering this kind of services either. Whether or not it's apparently reasonable to expect, it's absolutely necessary, and both individuals and orgs have been fumbling the ball massively when it comes to offering alternative outlets to communicate information.
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 No.498449

>>498446
>>498447
Evidently you don't understand the bandwidth problems with hosting videos that get a large number of regular viewers. It's not the same as a short video posted on an image board that a small number of people click on sporadically. Youtube has an enormous monopoly advantage against upstart competitors because Google has intentionally ate the bandwidth costs and operated it at a loss for a long time. The problem with self-hosting videos is not hardware. The barrier to entry is paying for an enterprise-level internet service. That's why WebTorrent is such an important innovation of PeerTube.
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 No.498450

>>498449
>Evidently you don't understand the bandwidth problems with hosting videos that get a large number of regular viewers.
I would rather have an independent site where video uploads can get hundreds-to-a-few-thousand viewers than rely entirely on a site where the apparent larger viewership is liable to get completely erased without any alternative. And yes, individuals and organizations they belong to can and should be factoring this into consideration.
>The barrier to entry is paying for an enterprise-level internet service.
There are orgs that could do this, but don't.
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 No.498451

>>498449
No, you can easily get hosting for 30,000 views of a video for 7 bucks a month.
Multiple that by ten and you're approaching half a million views. For 700$ you're can host several million views. And if you're getting attracting an audience that big you can easily make it up by asking for donations or selling merch. Big Tech has conned so many people into thinking only they can host video at scale. That might have been true 20 years ago, but not today.


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 No.486037[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Police search for gunman after Brian Thompson, 50, killed in Manhattan in ‘brazen targeted attack’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/04/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-what-we-know-so-far
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 No.494223

>>492751
This is not a good look.
The DA fucked this one up.
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 No.498353

So I stopped following this because it got to the slow and boring legal process, but I was unfortunate enough to look at the front page of feddit and I see that he pleaded guilty?

Wait wtf, we went from having no evidence on him to supposedly there being overwhelming evidence and a guilty plea. Idk something doesn't seem right about that, and now I somehow doubt I can know the truth.
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 No.498358

Fuck this pretty bourgois faggot.
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 No.498438

>>498353
Did he? I haven't seen that yet.
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 No.498440

>>498438
I honestly don't get it, I think he's pleading guilty to some sort of stalking charges so he can't be persecuted for the murder charge? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/luigi-mangione-reveals-motive-for-ceos-killing-after-pleading-guilty-in-federal-case

Maybe they need him to do this to save face.


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 No.498294[Reply]

From AJ:
Libya’s National Oil Corporation warns it may halt operations at the country’s largest operating refinery if drone attacks continue.

Firefighters in Libya are battling a massive blaze at the Zawiya refinery following a drone attack, with the country’s national oil company warning it may declare a force majeure and shut down operations if attacks continue.

Libya’s Ambulance and Emergency Service said in a statement on Tuesday there were no “serious injuries” from the fire, with most patients treated for smoke inhalation.

Footage verified by Al Jazeera showed huge flames and thick black ‌smoke billowing over the facility, the largest operating refinery in Libya with a refining capacity of 120,000 barrels per day.

It is located about 40km (25 miles) west of the capital, Tripoli.

The National Oil Corporation (NOC) said in a statement on Facebook that the fire broke out on Monday evening at tank number 402-T, belonging to the Brega Oil Company.

It said the tank, which contained about 4.5 million litres (1.2 million gallons) of gasoline, was “directly targeted, resulting in a severe fire before the tank completely collapsed”.

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 No.498321

>>498304
Cheap lasers that melt them in seconds.
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 No.498328

>>498305
It's a very fucking clear question: drones have changed the landscape of warfare like nothing else we've seen in 70 years, and they are annoying as much as they are dangerous. The question is how to combat them, worded in a joking way. What don't you get?
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 No.498333

>>498321
Aren't tactical lasers actually extremely expensive and inefficient?
They're already deployed by "israel" after decades of US research, and they appear to have been completely useless not only against actual ballistic & cruise missiles, but even drone swarms. See >>>/777/1564
The US seemingly hasn't even bothered deploying tactical laser systems at its own bases.

>>498328
>The question is how to combat them, worded in a joking way. What don't you get?
I wasn't sure what you were asking, maybe in part because my angle is totally different - drone warfare is cheap and accessible, and incredibly difficult to combat, so when I think of a solution in relation to it, what I think of is a workers' movement which modifies agricultural drones for warfare and sabotage. The potential here is incredibly high and hasn't been met so far, and I would prefer a solution which involves maximum drone warfare striking at US tyranny while the iron is hot above anything else. There's more than enough money floating around in western socialist orgs to do it, but, unfortunately, none of them seem willing to take risks like that.

Drones can bypass advanced radars, escape or drain interceptor systems, resist or even (in the case of FPV) bypass jamming entirely, enable quick low-cost reconnaissance, and enable military forces with little money and few resources to suddenly be able to launch aerial attacks against tanks. Today they are becoming the air force of the poor, and it doesn't look like there will be an efficient counter which doesn't solely benefit the rich.
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 No.498403

>>498304
eliminate the chinese race


 No.495977[Reply]

The year is 2026 and the so-called "Left" continues to engage in romanticizing lumpen or downplaying their destructive MATERIAL effects on working class people. Meanwhile strongman "soft fascist" (to borrow a term from Zizek) figures like Bukele and Duterte enjoy record high popularity among the working classes of their respective countries, "Global South" working classes at that (how are the Third Worldists coping?).

Marx and Engels in the Communist Manifesto made it very clear what they thought of the lumpen. Social scum and, in the most likely instance, tools of reaction (like, say, fascist paramilitias). Do these "Leftists" think Marx and Engels were stupid?
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 No.497423

>>497422
Once again, nobody "romanticizes" lumpen, retard.
See >>495981
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 No.498270

>>495981
shut the fuck up retard, lumpens are not worker by definition
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 No.498278

>>498270
Not even Marx claimed that lumpenproles weren't workers. What a fucking weird thing to claim. The entire, most anti-lumpenrole Marxist line, is that lumpenproles are the "reserve army of labor" and thus exceptionally exploitable workers who can be easily manipulated against their own class interests since they are generally less educated and constantly for want of regular/decent work. It's roughly an inverse principle of the one that applies to Marxist critiques of trade unionist "labor aristocrats." Unionized workers and lumpenproles aren't separate classes, but rather segments of the working class.
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 No.498284

>>495981
>It's 2026 and you're still using this retarded claim. Nobody is "romanticizing" anything.
Like hell they aren't.
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 No.498402

>>498278
>lumpenproles are the "reserve army of labor"
you never read marx.


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 No.498334[Reply]

Which of these is most accurate? Which one matches best?
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 No.498394

>>498388

>The only reason to do it per capita is to skew the results to fit a pre-existing argument


Funny, cause using absolute figures does exactly that, makes it seems like Laquisha's subsidizing Clatus meth emporium in West Virginia with her black owned slay queen wig LLC that she runs from her Altima, and not everyone else subsidizing both of them, plus her kids: Darnell, Deshonda and Andrequey.

>It's like saying poor, unemployed white people receive a disproportionate amount of benefits compared to white people with land, money, and regular work


False equivalance. Despite being associated with poverty and manual labor, latinos are around 15% to 18% of beneficiaries of EBT, despite being 20% of the population.

>The fact that you immediately resort to this racebrained faggotry


Race is a major factor in this conversartion, I didn't jump to shit. Pointing out that whitey is the majority of welfare beneficiaries is itself racebrained faggotry since proportionally they are less benefited than what they represent demographically
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 No.498395

>>498394
>Race is a major factor in this conversartion,
Theo original meme was about migration, and you, or some retard exactly like you, decided to make it about race.

>Pointing out that whitey is the majority of welfare beneficiaries is itself racebrained faggotry

It wasn't a racial point, retard. It was pointing out the fallacy of the edit in the OP claiming that benefits were somehow exclusive to the person on the left in the picture (who, again, is not even a black American in the original pre-edit version), it wasn't a dunk against you or white people, it was pointing out a basic fact which you, apparently, simply cannot comprehend without immediately taking offense and thinking that it's some kind of callout for the color of your skin.

The largest group of people on poverty welfare benefits in the United States of America are white. The largest group of impoverished, unemployed people in the United States of America is white. This is a class problem. If you can't address it without getting mad at black people or assuming that anyone who points out that the few scraps of welfare which remain are not reserved exclusively for black people (or migrants or whatever tf was intended since the edit makes the meme incoherent) then you are a racebrained retard. Self-reflect and get over your disease.
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 No.498396

>>498395

Right, cause immigration and race aren't related at all. He probably made the immigrant dark skinned and the worker white because race is inconsequential to this discussion.

Whining about the image being altered to expand the scope of the discussion, or to make it about something else is itself stupid, people do that all the time, this time they didn't even make a radical change from the source material.

How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
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 No.498397

>>498396
>race is inconsequential to this discussion
Yes, that's the point of the image, dumbass. The migrant is being scapegoated, and the only correlation to skin color is that skin color is used by capitalists today as an easy thing to point to for scapegoating purposes.

>expand the scope

It reduces the scope massively. It goes from being a broadly applicable message about migrants being scapegoated by bosses to divert from class politics to being an America-exclusive neoliberal talking point from 40 years ago about scary black people. You misunderstood the original because you are an idpol-infected dumbass with zero comprehension of class anywhere or politics outside of the United States. It's difficult to imagine being so stupid that you think that lowering a simple, broad message about class to the impaired domain of American idpol garbage is somehow interesting or profound.
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 No.498398

>>498397

Denounce the Talmud


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