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 No.484519[Reply]

what is to be done about the masses of sheeple who always do whatever the empire tells them to do? how are we supposed to organize in solidarity with vaxies who support vax mandates? how am I supposed to deal with people who vote in support of genocidal zionist politicians like Harris, Trump, and Kennedy even though it's clear they are screwing their own voters regardless? what are we supposed to do about the brainwashed, bloodthirsty psychos who support the global 4th reich?
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 No.484574

That said, compliance is no longer an option, and all of the compliance with COVID was premised on fear and marking down the enemies of the "Jehad". It was inevitable after what you allowed to happen in the 1990s. The eugenists brag that you were operating the death camps and couldn't stop them. A Satanic race cannot change.
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 No.484586

Propaganda is a helluva drug, but good teaching and persuasion principles apply here. Use the Socratic Method, lean into evidence whenever possible, develop a habit of tactfully reminding people when their assertions haven't been supported enough to be arguments. When someone realizes that they can't support their own beliefs in a friendly, non-confrontational setting, that's when the conditioning starts to break down.
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 No.484590

Have you consodered tgat most sheeple are "truthseekers" like you and hence why theyre the easiest to dupe?

The game of mass deception is avhievable because of "alternative" media.
Most "alternative" media spreads the same biases as their respective mainstream counterparts.

In fact, alot of alternative news media are indirectly corporately owned.

Even if not, most "truthseekers" are unable to read further than pop culture cliches.
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 No.484919

>>484586
I've found more common ground with conservative and libertarians than the liberal types where I live. Libs will smugly and self-righteously support literal fascism and talking to them has been largely a waste of my time and a test of my patience.
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 No.490597

>>484919
That's strange. Usually everyone hates libertarians

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 No.486001[Reply]

Yoon Suk Yeol (emphasis on the suck) has declared martial law, out of the blue. Probably because he's loosing power, his approval rating tanked, there's scandals surrounding his wife and the opposition is blocking his political programs.

The pretext he gave for the martial law was "eradicating the pro north Korean communist forces"
If only there were communist forces about to topple the wannabe dictator of BRoK
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 No.486971

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2025/01/jk-kim-dong-wook-faces-legal-complaint-for-violating-south-koreas-foreign-nationals-political-activity-ban
In the document, the complainant stated, “JK Kim Dong Wook (John Kim) relinquished his South Korean citizenship to acquire Canadian citizenship, making him a foreign national. According to Article 17 of the Immigration Control Act, foreign nationals residing in South Korea are prohibited from engaging in political activities. Violators may face penalties.”
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 No.487956

From Twitter:
KF-16 Accidentally Bombs South Korean Town
During a joint military exercise between the U.S. and South Korea, a South Korean KF-16 fighter jet accidentally dropped eight 500-pound bombs in the residential area of Dong-myeon, Gyeonggi Province, injuring between seven to fifteen civilians according to different reports. The incident occurred close to the North Korean border, highlighting concerns about military operations near populated areas.
https://x.com/i/trending/1897530854777479338
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 No.487957

>>487956
I bet the DPRK news said something like
<Clumsy imperialist pig-dogs bombing their own people.
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 No.487962

https://x.com/NatalieRevolts/status/1897591027076055234
Footage of South Korea/US "accidentally" bombing a church in southern Korea.
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 No.490591

https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1944360661384855570
North Korea said on Sunday it stands ready to take military action to counter any security threat against it in a warning against the U.S., South Korea & Japan following a recent aerial drill by the allies with a US strategic bomber. (KCNA)

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 No.489611[Reply]

Anarcho-capitalism is impossible because no ideal society is possible, anarchy is disobedience to authority and free association and communism is a movement that abolishes the present state of things, not a society. If our history is class struggle then thinking about the future society is a distraction from it. Nothing but praxis matters, the strength of the far-left isn't that its ideal societies are better but rather that they actually do shit instead of sitting on the Internet all day and mining crypto or voting in elections and marching on meaningless protests that lead nowhere and achieve nothing or supporting economic superpowers that don't care about them and barely acknowledge their existence.

Go read Bordiga or Negri or whatever, I dunno.
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 No.490513

>>490511
>Meanwhile people literally starved to death in Ukraine.
Notably, for the last time in history in a region with regular famines records for centuries.
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 No.490574

>>490456
>>490457
capitalism is the contradiction between bourgeois social relations and the forces of production
a capitalist economy is the general market of commodities produced for profit through privately ownership of the means of production
the capitalist mode of production is the specifically capitalist surplus extraction mechanism constituted by a wage contract formed between legally free and equal parties
(different modes of production can coexist within the same society within the constraints of the dominant mode of production)
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 No.490575

>>490574
You didn't address my critique of this mealy-mouthed imprecision at all. Did slavery and feudalism become not-slavery and not-feudalism when the state did the same thing private individuals did? Will you seriously call what the German Empire did in the 19th century not-capitalism because the state came in and arranged wage labor and production?
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 No.490579

>>490575
>You didn't address my critique of this mealy-mouthed imprecision at all
thats because i didnt intend to
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 No.490587

>>490446
Anarcho-capitalism is mostly a post-pubescent ideology

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 No.490583[Reply]

I think reason why we are so unpopular is due to us being cuntish.
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 No.490584

I think trusting entities who's only purpose is profit is insane.
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 No.490586

See >>489628

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 No.490362[Reply]

The Second `French Revolution`

Is increasingly clear there is an intense fight to eliminate nationalism.
Who and why have almost become irrelevant at the face of severity and urgency of the situation.
But my best guest is that the wealthy class coupled with ideological groups like academic communists clique and religious groups (there are intersecting circles as well as opposing circles on other issues. because life is not that simple). They all formed an alliance to suffocate and wipe out nationalism.

Humanity needs to make a choice. Either let it play out and accept the ideals of a unity and try to eradicate the racial differences. Or embrace the differences and take step towards the next level of the nation-sate: ethno-state.


Shall we aspire for popular uprisings to protect the national identities as second 'French Revolution' {actually a Polish Revolution or a Balkan Revolution or a European Spring?} (Since the French is digested anyway by the wealthy global ruling elite) against the global clique of nameless families and individuals who have been pulling the strings behind the scenes for far too long?

(I Dont wanna seem like I like Europeans, I want African states to set colonialism tribunals to punish to EUropeans and demans $trillions in reparations)

{I focus on europe because it is the region getting the most rape from the global ruling class and become their lab for the ethnic experiment. but I guess CHina and India is far from their reach at the moment anyway.}

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 No.490408

>>490385
>>490385
workers? wake up Neo, its no 1800s-1920s anymore. things change a lot. workers arent so important anymore also businesses evolved way beyond from those times. a person sitting on a desk can create incredible wealth, the workers cannot run business anymore.
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 No.490411

>>490408
Nah dude you are being myopic.
Something cannot come from nothing. You will always need labor. Most labor today is done over seas by children though and Chinese. That's what allows you to sit at your cush desk job. I worked a desk job for three years and I couldn't take it. There's more to life than that.
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 No.490430

>>490408
>workers arent so important anymore
>a person sitting on a desk can create incredible wealth
Who creates wealth? Workers.
If they know how to create the wealth then they're already operating the business. They're just not receiving the value they create.
This is marxism 101 dumbass. Why are you here peddling infantile pro-capitalist takes?
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 No.490581

>>490430
who created the wealth of apple an nvidia(((????))) can workers own and run these companies?
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 No.490582

>be me
>go into every thread on leftychan.net with a list of corporations
>"but SURELY u all will agree that the self-made capitalist owner of [name of random company from my list] had more to do with the value of the company than the thousands of workers whose knowledge and labor is actually required to design, manufacture, and transport the products!!!"

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 No.488824[Reply]

Shitlibs seem to think that conservative politicians genuinely believe in their bs if they're not outright Nazis who want to establish the Fourth Reich. But what do you think? Do conservatives genuinely believe what they're saying or are they just vicarious parasites who say it just so the proles leave them alone with their complaints and are actually absolute deviants behind the scenes?
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 No.490519

>>488824
First and foremost they are pedophiles
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 No.490552

>>488824
most politicians don't believe in their own view. political views exist purely to attach people to certain politicians, to get votes, and eventually get bribed either way. politics is a shitshow and the current democratic system sucks.
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 No.490553

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>>490552
>democratic
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 No.490561

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>>488824
>Trump
Is a 90s Democrat the only reason he is considered "conservative" is because the overton window has moved so far to the Left.

>Putin
You know literally nothing about him that hasn't been filtered through western propaganda.
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 No.490565

>>490561
Truno flip flopped between Democrat and Republican for years.
He's a fiercely independent libertarian.

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 No.490331[Reply]

How will he inevitably betray his voter base?
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 No.490400

>He wants to make busses free, tax millionaires 2%, make childcare free and freeze rent in rent-controlled apartments

He wouldn’t act upon that, he’s basically just a other Obama
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 No.490461

>Maybe we should improve New York somewhat
<But what about the jews?
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 No.490543

>>490400
acting on it was never the point, its a negotiating position
how do you mfers call yourselves marxists yet still dont understand capitalist politics?
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 No.490544

>>490543
>how do you mfers call yourselves marxists yet still dont understand capitalist politics?
This fucker obviously doesn't. He constantly uses the rhetoric of compromise in his campaigning, talks about "working together" with bosses when they're obviously going to oppose wins for workers that hurt their bottom line at every opportunity. His list of "heroes" is a bunch of other mealy-mouthed sellouts. And most importantly he has made no pretenses whatsoever about using his office as a tool to build worker movements to actually win things.

Or maybe he understands capitalist politics better than you (the dupe he's swindling).
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 No.490547

>>490544
he isn't a marxist, he's a capitalist politician, wtf did you expect
im not sure what you think im saying here but its probably wrong

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 No.490487[Reply]

Will Isreal nuke all the major cities in the middle east to expand and force God to armegeddon and bring back jesus christ?

or the religion is not real? or would nuking all middle east prove israels, evengelicals, or the arabs god or lack there of?
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 No.490488

>>490487
I think they might use nukes if they are invaded and about to lose.
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 No.490494

>>490487
>Will Isreal nuke all the major cities in the middle east to expand and force God to armegeddon and bring back jesus christ?
This is a bafflingly idiotic false dichotomy. The idea that the Christian concept of the Second Coming has anything to do with the Zionist nationstate called "Israel" is a lie made up to sell Zionism. Pre-Zionist Christian eschatology didn't hinge anything on a modern colonization project. Even the idea that a "Jewish return" would necessitate genocide was contradicted in scripture - it was a product of Zionists like Herzl (an atheist) and others whose plan was to colonize Palestine and forcibly remove the Christians and Muslims in order to do so. Zionism was gradually inserted into Christianity with increasing frequency during the 20th century, often very cynically, as in the case of the influential "Scofield Reference Bible," which was likely commissioned by a Zionist named Samuel Untermyer.

There are, today, Evangelicals in the US who would insist that this interpretation is the only one, but American Evangelicalism is basically a state religion with a bunch of political functions at this point, and stuff like Christian Zionism and "prosperity gospel" would, at other times, have been viewed as heresy.

On top of that, your question is built on a premise that only God as interpreted by Christian Evangelical Zionists is relevant to this question. I won't ask how old you are, but it's a really astonishingly naive premise. Even religious Jewish Zionists, who apparently exist, don't predicate their belief in God on the Evangelical Zionist narrative that killing all the non-Jews in Palestine will bring Jesus back and then all the non-Christians will burn forever. Jews don't believe Jesus was the messiah, of course religious Jewish Zionists don't predicate their religious or political beliefs on bringing back someone they consider to be a false prophet! They reject the New Testament! It's part of being Jewish. There are some Jewish people who believe Menachem Scheerson was the messiah, there were some Jewish people who believed Sabbatai Zevi was the messiah, but religious Jews in general do not believe Jesus of Nazareth was the messiah, so any conception of a "second coming" is dismissed.

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 No.490448[Reply]

The Empire is about to murder millions of people, both through the new concentration camp, the already existing ones, and now through taking away what little medical coverage the American poor had. How many millions of people must die before liberals realise this is bigger than Trump, bigger than the two party system, bigger than the endless game "my guy vs their guy" ad infinitum?
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 No.490449

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>How many millions of people must die before liberals realise
Does it ever work like that? Liberals don't care until it affects them personally.
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 No.490452

>>490449
sadly true. I can only hope that this effects them enough that it wakes some of them up. I know that sounds fucked up, but at least then something good would come of it.
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 No.490464

>>490448
>How many millions of people must die before liberals realise
Infinity. Libtards are every bit as much the enemy as the most extreme vicious rightoids.
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 No.490475

>>490448
It appears that this has also increased the rate of de-dollarisation, as well as lower the dollar's international exchange rate.
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 No.490477

>>490464
The key here is that none of this is totally innate.
Literally anyone can come to their senses wrt certain things - Palestine has been a great indicator of that. There are MAGA people (not counting celebrities & politicians, I mean normal MAGA-infected people specifically here) whose beliefs in general are fucking insane who still have been horrified by the foreign wars & genocide, and whose worldview on those specific things falls closer to reality than the MSM narrative does. "Liberals" start to break out of the mind prison when they realize, too, like the "lesser evil" narrative completely fucking collapsed last year to the extent that even libs realized they didn't have a moral highground to try to guilt trip people into "vote blue no matter who" - I'm aware that fucking DNC freaks on twitter still did it, but nobody I knew IRL would, there was a genuine sense of shame. A lot of them are still frustratingly… complacent… but more are becoming aware of the contradictions now, even though they're still trying to keep up with the puppet show. Something I'm realizing is that the truth just fucking hurts a lot of people, actually facing the implications as opposed to merely saying it is difficult even for people whose class interests really aren't served by this sheer brutality.

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 No.490412[Reply]

I wonder why people almost never assassinate the wealthy class and the special interest group leaders.
I dont condone any assassination but Im just saying that that when politicians do things people hate its not like the politicians do things alone.

And damn that country you know which one shouldnt kill Mr K. for nukes.

and killing people wont solve the main systemic problems so never think of it.
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 No.490415

>>490412
>I wonder why people almost never assassinate the wealthy class and the special interest group leaders.
That's not true, during feudalism, rulers and their entourage got killed frequently, some of that was intrigue in ruling circles but a significant part was people exercising democracy by lethal means. Many kings and queens got un-elected by "cutting edge technology".

I think that the introduction of bourgeois democracy made systems bend enough to the demands of populations that lethal democracy became uncommon.

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