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 No.483794[Reply]

Remember when people thought this guy was some kind of lefty?
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 No.484326

>>484323
debt relieve sounds good.
We like hearing that.
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 No.484431

"Pai dos pobres, Mãe dos ricos."
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 No.484487

>>484431
É verdade camarada anão.
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 No.484494

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>>483796
Looks like the diamond billionaire caved and complied with Brazilian demands to ban accounts the government doesn't like.
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 No.484518

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Y'all should get into Brazilian Maoismo

Procurem estudar o Maoismo


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 No.483782[Reply]

These kinds of people are literally just black chuds, they worship "black owned businesses", they have their own black version of schizo-tier race science (Yakub), are religious extremists (just Muslim instead of Christian), are often antisemitic, homophobic, etc., and essentially just want a Fourth Reich but in Africa ("Pan-Africanism"). Basically take any /pol/ talking point but replace "Jews" with "whites" and "Europe" with "Africa". There's a reason the American Nazi Party regularly attended Nation of Islam conferences.
How do you get them to realize they have a lot more in common with the white proletariat than the black bourgeosie?
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 No.484016

>>483784
> He was successful, he got the Arian-brotherhood to talk to the Black-panthers.
Fred Hampton did not ally with the "Aryan Brotherhood" criminal lumpen white supremacist gang. He allied with the Young Patriots, which were a much more working class non-criminal group of people from Chicago who happened to use a confederate flag as a rebel symbol, mostly due to lack of education.
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 No.484029

>>484016
Thanks for the correction.
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 No.484039

You can't. Either members of a marginalized group voluntarily realizes idpol has failed them or they don't and keep insisting upon it. It comes down to the individual members of that group making personal choices. They are not a monolith. Each one of them will either choose class consciousness or false consciousness. Study the Jewish Labor Bund's split from the RSDLP before the Bolshevik-Menshevik split.
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 No.484497

BLEACH their women
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 No.484522

>>483782
>How do you get them to realize they have a lot more in common with the white proletariat than the black bourgeosie?
You are doing like every single black person is like this. Also comparing blacks who hate on whites to nazis is not a very good look. The structural racism (or at lest remnants of it - like the US police violence) still exists, so they kinda have a good reason to not like white people. I agree, the NOI, the radlibs etc. are idiots but they are by no means comparable to nazis.

Plus you don't have to get onboard every single one of them. We should talk with people who are willing to listen first.


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 No.480952[Reply]

I hate banks. I hate CEOs. I hate Capitalism. I hate israel. why can't we be friends?
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 No.483989

>>480952
>why can't we be friends?
National Socialists want a state run economy for the exclusive benefit of the "aryan race". Leftists want a state run economy for the exclusive benefit of the "proletariat". If a white CEO and a black farmer were both drowning you would save the former and they would save the latter. That's why you can't be friends.
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 No.483997

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 No.484052

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>>480952
Nazis fooled us once with their "socialism" and tens of thousands of leftists died in death camps. Never again.
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 No.484193

>>483965
>asiatic despotism
>totemic emporer
Racist drivel.
Langley's not sending their best.
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 No.484483

>>484193
china is an ancient civilisation like india; it has no (World-)History but only prehistory. it cannot be entered into the epic of the species, but only belongs to itself.
as marx writes in the preface to das kapital, the american revolution was a calling to the european middle class, and its civil war was a calling to the working class.
USA is the "the new world" which orients the bourgeois epoch in its self-transformation to socialist enlightenment.


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 No.483326[Reply]

Football fans and Gregg's connoisseurs from around England are currently rioting following the murder of three schoolchildren by an asylum seeker (Axel Rudakubana) and subsequent non-response by the courts. The riots have only escellated following Starmer's absolutely braindead response & the response of local law enforcement.

Bongs to follow for updates:
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK
https://x.com/visegrad24
https://x.com/Sargon_of_Akkad
https://x.com/AkkadSecretary
https://x.com/9mm_smg
https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra
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 No.484344

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>>484336
<They are becoming shorter in height. More of them are going hungry than they were a few years ago. Recently, more have died each year than they did a few years ago. Increased poverty, more destitution and the effects of ongoing austerity are the clear culprits.
Honey neoliberalism shrunk the kids

I didn't think that shit had gotten so bad that the effects had become biologically measurable.
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 No.484371

>>484366
This has some surprisingly insightful theory bits in it.
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 No.484390

>>484366
>>484371
Sound kind of actual description might make me more likely to click it.
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 No.484432

>>484390
The part that i found the most interesting was the howto on party self-criticism, and what the political purpose is. And a good strategic explanation on the politics of deception vs the politics of integrity.


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 No.483781[Reply]

Prostitutes, camgirls, e-whores and the like are lumpenproles at best and petty bourg at worst
There is no such thing as "le sex work", only redditors and radlibs think so, and their justification for it is always some idealist idpol riddled nonsense like "womens empowerment"
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 No.484232

>>483781
Based and trvthpilled
onthewomanquestion.com/2021/02/15/sex-work-is-not-work-a-marxist-feminist-analysis-of-prostitution
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 No.484237

>>483781

whatevet it is, it is extortive.

White prostitutes are charging OVER $1200 ON AVERAGE online where I live
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 No.484238

>>484237
It's called supply and demand anon
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 No.484241

>>484238
The "supply" is oversaturated
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 No.484346

>>484241
this.
most dont even put out in meatspace anymore


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 No.482838[Reply]

ORANGE MAN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/07/13/donald-trump-speech-shooting-latest-news/

First of all this is incredibly based and God bl3ss them shoot R.I.P To a real one but this is fucking bad news politically. He's gonna win for sure now and this will cause a reaction upswell we haven't seen in a hundred years not only in the US b UT globally. This is terrible news and propaganda of the deed is fail3d as a political strategy.
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 No.483106

>>483094
>There needs to be an asymmetrical way of going after these poeple
IMHO the correct way is to create a better political alternative.
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 No.484072

>>482839
who the fuck is joe biden
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 No.484292

There's been another attempt.

Some unhinged Ukrop-ultra tried to shoot Trump with an assault rifle. This one missed because of general firearm-incompetence. That's the second time Trump got lucky.

All the mass-surveillance bullshit, the tyrannical militarized police and all those trampled civil liberties and it does nothing, crazy fuckers are still taking potshots at high-profile politicians seemingly unopposed. Maybe re-allocate the budget towards old school security details with bodyguards and whatnot, the scifi dystopia crap doesn't work.
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 No.484298

>>484292
The real kneeslapper is that the US "security breach" of all US security breaches, 9/11, was perpetrated by a bunch of guys the CIA at the very least was already watching, and may well have brought into the country themselves. The excuse for expansion of surveillance powers, militarized police, etc. was always total bullshit.
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 No.484303

>>484298
I know but they sold the hole thing on security. So is the neo-con security-bubble going to burst because they haven't delivered on that ?

Consider that if they let 911 happen, because it was a politically convenient excuse to start a bunch of wars or something along those lines, that still means the security mechanism is defective. Because the result were hijacked planes crashing into buildings. It's perhaps the worst kind of malfunction because misaligned political incentives usually isn't something that can be fixed.


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 No.483735[Reply]

Was Bordiga right?

I have to admit some of his arguments are compelling. It certainly does seem to be the case that an unprincipled "popular front" just leads to liberals taking control of your revolution and directing it away from anticapitalism. At the same time history seems to have been very unkind to his strategy. Every time he split his support got smaller and smaller until he was ultimately pushed out and marginalized by those with all the power. Bordiga seemed very satisfied in interviews towards the end, that he had remained ideologically pure throughout his long life. Unfortunately it also seems like he accomplished very little after his expulsion from the Italian Communist Party in 1930.

Maybe there's no effective answer to the problems he identified? Are we supposed to just kick back in our armchairs and wait for capitalism to devour itself in the end?
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 No.483803

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>>483739
>Marx would say "ok, we need to develop a workers' state to protect
Marx would fucking shoot your faggot ass 4 being a nutsoy cocksucker instead of a communist. You do not "protect" shit you stole from da big bourgs you fucking petbourg uyghur, you eliminate the class of bourgeoisie from human society EVERYWHERE as it is, including you. & if suddenly you now have to protect muh stuff, then…

>>483735
>Every time he split his support got smaller and smaller until he was ultimately pushed out and marginalized by those with all the power.
Th@'s called "revolution in retreat" you fucking retard. It's a force of nature th@ you are not in any capacity to tamper with, & so, in the world of failed communist revolution one of the productive things you can do is dogmatizing the og theory so th@ no fucking nutsoy faggot could completely degenerate it into another strain of state liberalism with (super-)nazional characteristics ("marxism-leninism").
>Unfortunately it also seems like he accomplished very little after his expulsion from the Italian Communist Party in 1930.
Gee, I wonder why!

>>483748
>Maybe we could try both liberalisms at the same time.
</leftypol/
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 No.484040

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 No.484059

>>483735
>>483803
I absolutely despise these purity spiraling communist who think communism is some kind of loyalty test.
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 No.484100

>>483735
If you want a boner killer for his pure and dogmatic thought, see his opinion on Trotsky.
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 No.484285

>>484100
Can you elaborate?


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 No.484270[Reply]

Is the administration of things no different from anarchism?
The claim that anarchists "wouldn't let a person be the captain of the ship" allegedly "because that's a hierarchy to them" is reductionist and wrong. In anarchism freedom means to have take responsibility for one's own actions, therefore they allow people to take up such positions on the condition that they do not use them against the interests of other people. If the captain of a ship is to use his role to take the passengers hostage then the passengers must act accordingly. That applies for any sort of society. The point is that they would in fact allow a person to be in "charge". There have even been Anarchist Federations (are there likely still are) with a general secretariat. If it is to be considered a "hierarchy" then the idea of only being opposed towards oppressive hierarchies would allow it.
Anarchists in general want society to play a part of the managerial role, rather than a selected few - because it seen as a guarantee of incompetence and disconnect from the working class by solely being the managerial forces. If the working class themselves take up the managerial role, then that is fine by anarchist standards. The only criticism that anarchists should accept is that commodity production cannot and should not exist. If there is commodity production, if there is trade, barter - that leads to a market. Markets eventually lead to the accumulation of commodities which reinstates capitalism. Bordiga correctly points out that capitalism is inherently connected to commodity production. It is therefore the task of anarcho-communists to abolish commodity production and instead adapt decentralized planning, such as participatory economics and exterminate all reactionary elements of society.
I think that leftcoms generally misunderstand anarchists, especially with the fact that so many of the self-proclaimed "anarchists" nowadays are not anarchists at all - they are just liberals engaged in identity politics. The principled anarchists will only engage in class struggle. It is as Malatesta wrote over a hundred years ago in the text - Anarchists Have Forgotten Their Principles.
I am a part of an Anarchist Federation myself, I encourage my comrades to read Marx, Engels, Lenin and above all - Bordiga. Our AF also does dialogue with the leftcoms of the group "Lotta comunista". We can find ourselves agreeing on everything except the demand for a party established on the proposed Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.484271

>>484270
Lots of typos due to a bad translation of the text
Examples:
<to have take
>to take responsibility
<are there likely still are
>there have been and there likely still are
and so on. This is a really obscure text translated from Bulgarian to English.
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 No.484272

>There is no excuse for them, but there is no point in dismissing all of their writings.
The original text included concepts with a footnote referring to the term scientific socialism, pointing to Proudhon.
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 No.484273

That's a lotta words anon…


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 No.480901[Reply]

I wouldnt, If would, Describe reasons.

The goverment and healthcare system keeps letting me down, Why should i?

As a pussyfree man myself, Id betray my whole nation like it betrayed me just to have a chance to get a girlfriend, What has it ever done for me? Get bullied here, Ridiculed, Abandoned by the healthcare system, Denied XRAY, Denied this, Denied that, Denied meeting the right doctor. I dont even celebrate national day, This country is shit anyway, Is it even my country if i dont get pussy in it? Nah its not!

Is it even your country if your countrymen dont stand up for you to prevent you from being bullied? Is it even your countrymen if they keep belittling you and making fun of you?

Is it even your country if you get no say in what you want to do in said country? Is it even your country if you have to pay taxes to get nothing in return not even an XRAY at the doctors office if it was needed?

Heck idgaf about nationalism for the shithole i live in, Wait a whole month to meet a doctor so i can be rejected for the help im needed, nah this isnt my country, Fuck this country, The russians can just go ahead and invade it, Idgaf anymore.
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 No.483346

>>480947
>Human rights
Human rights is media propaganda
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 No.484204

>>480941
which is why men need to experience those in their formative years to be functional later on, it's almost like those things are important or something
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 No.484213

>>480901
It depends on the situation. I’d defend my friends and family against an invading force, but I’d try my best to avoid being drafted into an offensive war. That said if a draft happens, the military police would likely force me to join.
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 No.484218

no. burger reich. uphold revolutionary defeatism
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 No.484239

>>484204
no its not.
"Pain makes you stronger" is bullshit.

Theres nothin wrong with enjoying your youth. The problem is that society ants to make it absurd and cringey.

This idea that "cringe is essential to childhood" is copium.


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 No.484122[Reply]

idk making this thread because the one on .org died with the rest of the site
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 No.484203

>>484197
>the reason those threads became about Russia/Ukraine despite the more general and vague intentions behind thread 1 is because Russia/Ukraine has become the global focal point for core-periphery bourgeois conflict in general.
I agree with half of your analysis, the conflict in Ukraine has become a core-periphery thing.

But as far as the intentions go, i remain unconvinced this is innocent. If you want to argue for de-escalation politics like during the entente after the first cold war, you have to argue that Russians are human beings with legitimate grievances. And no-campism seems like it's geared towards attacking that. Like a means for policing the borders of what ruling ideology considers the acceptable range of opinion.
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 No.484212

>>484202
This is why I oppose the worst of all Great Russian Chauvinsts, Agent Zelensky. While Putin took the moderate nationalist position of only annexing the rebel provinces during the peace talks, Agent Z was unsatisfied with that. He pushed for expanding the war, so that Russia will be able to conquer more land and eventually realize the Russian nationalist dream of Novorossiya.

Jokes aside, Lenin and other theorists of the national question were writing at a time when national chauvinism within continental European empires meant the total supression of the linguistic and religious rights of a particular nation. This meant that public schooling was limited to a single language and in order become a government bureaucrat, you had to have a certain religion and speak certain language. Only thing that counterbalanced this is that these empires were seriously backwards with large rural populations who didn't have any access to formal education. This meant that as these empires urbanized, the lesser nations would simultaneously disappear.

This is why some Marxists and the intellectuals of lesser nations were concerned that without statehood, they would cease to exist, just as if they were all marched into gas chambers. The counterargument of other Marxists and proponents of the Great Nations was that these people barely constituted real nation, that their "nationhood" was nothing more than a provincial identity and the illusions of a handful of intellectuals. And in the end the process of assimilation was voluntary process, it didn't require physical violence. This is why Pan-Slavism, an ideology proposing that every single Slavic nation should be ruled by the Czar, had numerous genuine proponents among Croats, Serbs, Slovaks, etc.

Marxists added an additional layer to this debate concerning the feudal and bourgeois-progressive attributes of these empires that existed alongside each other. For someone like Luxemburg, the backwardness of these empires was exemplified by the persistence of provincial non-nations whose only basis of existence was their loyalty to the local nobility and clergy instead of emerging centralized state. Lenin argued that the real backwardness was the dynastic basis of these empires. Assimilation was viewed as impossible, half-assed attempt from the oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.484216

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>>484212
>the worst of all Great Russian Chauvinsts, Agent Zelensky
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 No.484219

>>484212
This is one of the first (only?) times I've seen "anti-campism" take into account the nuanced specific context in which he promoted both revolutionary defeatism and argued against a "United States of Europe". And I agree.
The position however by some that nation-states and national divisions should be maintained no matter what be cause those undoing them are "bourgeois" is reactionary, and in favor of maintaining global apartheid. These people may have as well have argued this in favor of the continued existence of the Bantustans ("Blacks" in South Africa referred to dozens of ethnic groups).

The Russian Annexation of Ukraine is progressive because old national divisions are abolished. But Ukrainian culture is not wiped out, the language isn't banned (and continues as an official language of several oblasts), Ukraininans aren't suffering the same fate as the jews during the holocaust.
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 No.484226

This thread smells like a sectarian fed op. You're not a cool special snowflake for making up indecipherable abbreviations for your clique, you're just a fag.


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