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 No.484042[Reply]

remember 9/11 1973
never forget

also I guess we can also have a schizo thread where we talk about how burger 9/11 was an inside job or whatever
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 No.484045>>484070

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 No.484046>>484063

Ah yes, the anniversary of the CIA's fascist coup against Allende. How could I ever forget?
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 No.484063

>>484046
Yeah we didn't just loose a socialist country, we also lost the first attempt at doing cybernetic socialism. It would have been so interesting to see the results of that experiment.
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 No.484070

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>>484045
herr…
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 No.484124

I hate to interrupt an Allende thread with stuff about some dumb revenge attack on history's 2nd evilest empire, but the Canestraro declaration is juicy.


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 No.483823[Reply]

Anarchists of the 19th and early 20th century: planting bombs, assassinating rulers, organizing radical unions
Anarchists today: wear leather jackets and doc martins, listen to Sex Pistols, maybe they'll spray paint some graffiti, otherwise do absolutely nothing

Not saying they were always engaged in effective activity (Propaganda of the Deed is the dumbest revolutionary strategy ever), but at least the original anarchists actually did something. It seems like in every lefty org I've been in the anarchists are the ones least likely to roll up their sleeves and actually get some work done.

What happened?
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 No.483894>>483895

Assassinations went out of fashion, it's mostly arson now. You can get the news if you know where to look.
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 No.483895

>>483894
Seems like the kind of crime that'd be real easy to false-flag on someone else.
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 No.484053

>>483828
>set up a commune
I guess many end up like this instead of building orgs for nationwide revolution.
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 No.484118>>484119

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>Anarchists of the 19th and early 20th century: planting bombs, assassinating rulers
Propaganda of the deed was a failed strategy.
However, Siegefags (a syncretic form of neo-Nazism) have tried to continue that strategy in an attempt to incite a race war through terrorism. As you can see, that shit isn't working, but I find it hilarious that they took one of the least effective parts of anarchism and decided to run with it.
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 No.484119

>>484118
that, along with the copying blac block, etc. has almost made them the new as-a-farce anarchists. hurr dur lets shoot down a power transformer. lets just put up some posters an d graffiti.
Honestly, the neo-nazis deciding that 'acktaully the cops and military and big business bad' castrated any chance of them pulling a brownshart corporate-backed coup, which is basically the only way neo-fascism has a chance in present conditions.


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 No.483504[Reply]

Ya'll remember Pierre Tru-dank?

Now he buck dances for Yankee Tankie for a shred of the internet relevance he once had, picking up trash…

for fee
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>>483505
OG leftypol youtuber

Dude got really fat, lol
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 No.483946>>484002>>487083

Ah yes, leftists shooting left again. I'll wait till someone tells me a real reason to not support the ACP, even if they're a meme party. Maybe I'm being naive but ever since they launched they've been slandered by leftists on the internet, and it's the same kind of slander that democrats slander Trump with on /r/wholesomememes: it's always some dumb personal attack.
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 No.483952

>>483920
Although I used to like his videos.

He's just too obsessed with the patsoc stuff nowadays.
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 No.484002

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>>483946
if you pee your own pants you can't cry about people making fun of you
thems the rules
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 No.487083

>>483946
People make fun of them because Haz is a sperg, simple as.


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Maui fires raise questions over warnings, death toll hits 80

"MAALAEA, Hawaii, Aug 11 (Reuters) - The death toll from the Maui wildfires rose to 80 on Friday as search teams combed through the smoldering ruins of Lahaina, and Hawaiian officials sought to determine how the inferno spread so rapidly through the historic resort town with little warning.

The fires became the deadliest natural disaster in the state's history, surpassing that of a tsunami that killed 61 people on the Big Island of Hawaii in 1960, a year after Hawaii joined the United States.

Officials have warned that search teams with cadaver dogs could still find more dead from the fire that torched 1,000 buildings and left thousands homeless, likely requiring many years and billions of dollars to rebuild.

"Nobody has entered any of these structures that have burned down and that's where we unfortunately anticipate that the death toll will rise significantly," U.S. Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii told MSNBC.

In a late evening statement, Maui County said that the death toll had risen to 80.

The Lahaina fire that spread from the brush to town was still burning but 85% contained, the county said earlier. Two other wildfires on the island were 80% and 50% contained.

Three days after the disaster, it remained unclear whether some residents had received any warning before the fire engulfed their homes.
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>>473983
>there's a risk that they end up stuck in the tempcontainers.
While that is true, the alternative is to provide these people nothing to appease schizos. Again, the gentrification of NO was a far more serious issue than fucking FEMA camps. It's a conversation designed to distract from the real issue, which is the transfer of wealth and property from the poor to the very rich.
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 No.474057>>474076

>>473985
>the alternative is to provide these people nothing to appease schizos
>THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE, PROLES
>We built these concentration camps out of the kindness of our hearts!
>The displaced couldn't possibly be allowed to live in houses or apartments
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 No.474076>>474705

>>474057
Temporary housing isn't a concentration camp. Nobody is required to go there. Nice try, though, schizo.
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 No.474705

>>474076
it's a literal pogrom to herd people into shipping crates. kill yourself fed.
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 No.483861

>>473947
thats most people worldwide tbh.

I think our moern society obsesses too much over academic skill to he point where its replacing common sense and survival skills.


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Editor’s Note: Jakarta has been engulfed in fiery unrest in recent days, as thousands of protesters attempted to storm parliament in response to controversial changes to election laws. In September 2023, MintPress News revealed leaked files from the National Endowment for Democracy, suggesting that this CIA-linked organization has built an extensive network of political, media, and civil society infrastructure in Indonesia aimed at facilitating regime change. After years of fostering insurrectionary fervor in the country, has the NED’s influence finally reached a boiling point? MintPress News is republishing the following groundbreaking investigation by Kit Klarenberg as events in Indonesia once again come to the fore.



Widodo’s candidacy also reportedly stimulated Indonesia’s stock market and Rupiah currency due to his sparkling political and economic record. One might think burnishing the country’s finances to such a degree through sheer force of personality would make him an ideal leader from Washington’s perspective. Yet, the President has also prioritized “protecting Indonesia’s sovereignty” and limiting overseas influence in Jakarta. Moreover, he pursues an intensely independent foreign policy, much to the U.S. Empire’s chagrin.

Widodo has encouraged leaders of Muslim states to reconcile and pushed for Palestinian independence. His Foreign Minister visits Palestine but refuses to establish diplomatic relations with Israel. He has also distributed sizable aid to oppressed Muslims abroad. Most egregiously, since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, he flew to both countries and urged their leaders to seek peace. When Jakarta hosted the G20 Summit that year, he invited not only Zelensky but Putin to attend despite fierce Western criticism.



Widodo is now preparing to leave office, his constitutionally-mandated terms over, and personal approval ratings at all-time highs. His departure creates a clean political slate, which NED is eager to fill. Mercifully, a repeat of the intelligence agency-orchestrated slaughter that brought Suharto to power decades ago appears unlikely. But the leaked documents obtained by MintPress News make clear the U.S. Empire is preparing to pull off another coup in Jakarta under the aegis of “democracy promotion.”

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 No.483736>>483737>>483738>>483811

Hello from Indonesia

I live in east borneo and while people complain about government on social media, no one is actually organizing or attempting to do anything
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 No.483737

>>483736
most politically active dayak fag
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 No.483738>>483849

>>483736
>no one is actually organizing or attempting to do anything
In what regard? Like they're not attempting to prevent a coup or they're not attempting to do a coup?
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 No.483811

>>483736
What do people think of Sukarno and Suharto? Do they even know who they are?
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 No.483849

>>483738
they're not attempting to prevent a coup


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 No.483656[Reply]>>484056

How does the left deal with the fact we've completely lost the online sphere as well?
>All social media/forums taken over by establishment bootlicking Neolibs.
>Young male content all alt-right adjacent
>Tankie has become a mainstream insult against anyone left of Obama/Blair
>Basic left wing positions are now claimed to be wrecking/unrealistic by majority of "progressives" that supported them just 4 years ago.
>Left wing outlets censored from social media, journalists arrested or blacklisted.
>Left wing forums completely overrun by insane idpollers who worm their way into mod positions and ban anyone who doesn't bow down to their libshit
>Dirtbag left media ecosphere is dead
How does the left deal with this? Online is incredibly important for information dissemination but the left has been effectively pushed out of the Online sphere as well. Dead IRL and dead online, don't know how the left will crawl back from this tbh.
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 No.483705>>483712

>>483703
No you shut the fuck up.
Im sick and tired of imageboard users whining about bullshit allegations of radicalisation of male youth.
Im sick and tored of imageboard users with their minited vocabulary of buzzwords and they get upset at me for disagreeing.
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 No.483709

>>483703
>Please stop
Wtf
You said
>Young male content all alt-right adjacent

which is a blanket statement, and you just want everyone to accept this?
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 No.483712

>>483705
Isn't there legitimate data on the phenomena at this point?
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 No.483719

Enough about things that haven’t happened
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 No.484056

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>>483656
>its le over fellow leftist


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 No.477154[Reply]>>483710

How does solitary confinement fit into the larger prison industrial complex? It seems to me like it would be rather unprofitable to keep your slaves confined for years at a time, unable to do any productive labor.
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 No.483707

Thats what K-12 education is, yet everyone still defends it
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 No.483710>>483711

>>477154
>How does solitary confinement fit into the larger prison industrial complex?
In the US the private prison complex is a remnant from the defeated slave-society. Stuffing a slave into a crate/box was a type of punishment/torture. That's probably what "solitary confinement" was derived from. It's probably just as ineffective as torture.

>It seems to me like it would be rather unprofitable

Yes, but private prisons in general are dubious from an economic perspective. Hiring somebody as a worker is more productive than forcing that person to be a prison-slave and worker-housing costs significantly less than imprisonment.

You're correct it's not rational.
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>>483710
Can that really be true? There's clearly an economic incentive for prison labor. Why else would Whole Foods for example seek out prison labor when they could be paying real wages to un-prisoned workers? I think prison labor exploiters usually aren't paying for the imprisonment; instead the state is paying for that.
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 No.483713

>>483711
>Can that really be true?
Given how broken the world is, why is it so surprising to you that shit's not efficient.

>There's clearly an economic incentive for prison labor.

It costs like over 60k a year to imprison somebody in the US. It costs less than half to hire somebody for minimum wage. So a hard NO on that one.

Just compare the physical realities, of a commercial space where people work, plus the homes they live in, to prison facilities.

Regular work places don't need all the stuff to keep people locked up, they don't need sturdy cells, guards, elaborate security perimeters, a search helicopter on stand by and so on. To hire a worker just post a job-listing. To get a prison-slave it requires a bunch of police officers to catch one, and a bunch of legal theater to make up excuses for snatching somebody from the streets and locking them up. It requires bribing politicians for fake laws to keep up a veneer of justice and legitimacy.

Prisons are also a lot less productive, than regular work-places. It's basically random snatched up people that are being made to work what ever productive forces the private prison labor camp happens to have. There is no skill matching. Since there is no pressure to upgrade the production equipment, the tools are obsolete tech that are really labor intensive and have low output.

The only reason why anybody's making money off this is because the costs are socialized and the revenue is privatized.

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 No.483689[Reply]>>483693>>483697

Peace-negotiations, cease-fire talks, and all the other variants of diplomatic efforts to avoid war, are increasingly "gamed" by the war-monger-gang, towards their ends.

Negotiations for a peace-deal become a pause to restock weapons and re-arm fighters. Peace conferences become a vehicle for political antagonizing or even a venue to form new battle alliances.

Of course it's not a new phenomenon, but recently it's on the rise again.

I think this needs a counter. How do you re-frame diplomacy efforts for peace so that it's not perverted into something else ?

Should peace-talks have as requirement that the warring parties must agree to peace and cessations of hostilities, before the negotiations begin, and the purpose of the negotiation is only about the details of the arrangement ?

One step further would be, for the peace-gang to "game" the structures the war-monger-gang set up to facilitate war, and turn it into a means of pacification. How would one go about doing that ?
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 No.483691

>>483690
>Isn't that what has traditionally happened?
Traditionally wars usually continued until one side lost or surrendered. The idea of interrupting wars for a negotiated peace, isn't new, however that type of peace became more desirable as the destructive power of industrial weapons surged.

>I know it definitely was the case for World War One.

The Versailles treaty was formally a peace treaty, but in reality it was just an armistice. Considering how soon-after WW2 broke out, it was pretty shit. So we don't want to use that as a blueprint.

To be honest i don't know which direction to go with this.
I'm looking for a formula to make peace-diplomacy extremely hostile to war-monger subversion.
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 No.483693>>483695

>>483689
>Should peace-talks have as requirement that the warring parties must agree to peace and cessations of hostilities, before the negotiations begin, and the purpose of the negotiation is only about the details of the arrangement ?

Probably, but a party disingenuous enough to do what's being done now could also just lie and say they agreed beforehand when they really don't.

>One step further would be, for the peace-gang to "game" the structures the war-monger-gang set up to facilitate war, and turn it into a means of pacification. How would one go about doing that ?


In practice?
Work with members of the military who object to this bullshit and offer strategic support for military rebellion. In my head, this looks like developing counter-institutional organized power, and negotiating ideological lines which the citizenry and members of the military who turn against empire will both agree with, and developing citizen defense capability in case it goes wrong.
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 No.483695

>>483693
>Probably, but a party disingenuous enough to do what's being done now could also just lie and say they agreed beforehand when they really don't.
You're right. Is there a way to frustrate this ?
Could this be done to the warmonger-gang, like pretending to agree to a war-coalition only to pull out right before the start of the war, to wreck all the battle-plans.

>Work with members of the military who object to this bullshit and offer strategic support for military rebellion. In my head, this looks like developing counter-institutional organized power, and negotiating ideological lines which the citizenry and members of the military who turn against empire will both agree with, and developing citizen defense capability in case it goes wrong.

This might actually work.
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 No.483697>>483701

>>483689
>One step further would be, for the peace-gang to "game" the structures the war-monger-gang set up to facilitate war, and turn it into a means of pacification. How would one go about doing that ?
To a certain degree this is what has been taking place at the UN since the Palestinian genocide began. The UN and its institutions have been tool for the US to bully the rest of the world, but marginal and developing countries have been attempting to use its institutions against the US over the past year.
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 No.483701

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>>483697
>but marginal and developing countries have been attempting to use its institutions against the US over the past year.
Is that whats happening ?
I mean that seems hopeful, as in the UN becoming a truly international organization.

However i think the people who run that institution most likely are intelligent, shrewd and calculating. They ruled the Gaza-war genocidal, the settlements illegal and the Netanyahu and friends as war criminals, not just because that's objectively true, but also because the Zionist project will likely fail.

The signs for that are:
the insane cruelty, that is likely Zionists trying to get preemptive revenge for the massive defeat they are about to suffer.
All the crimes against democratic rights and civil liberties in the west, indicates that the Zionist project hasn't just lost the middle east it also lost the west.

This barbarism is the political equivalent of a drowning man pushing others under water in desperation. It's not what winning looks like. So maybe the marginalized countries did gain a little more sway, but some of it likely is just people who know the institutional game, simply not boarding a sinking ship.


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 No.483667[Reply]

Only post bangers

keep the clips short
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 No.483670>>483671

Does anyone even take this guy seriously anymore after his NATO proxy war pisstake?
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 No.483671

>>483670
Feel free to also post clips of zizek fails, just mark it as such
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 No.483680>>483683

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One of my favourites (also very topical!)
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 No.483683

>>483680
Certified banger.

Seeing Assange happy and unmolested there threw me for a trip. Never knew they made a video together.


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 No.483517[Reply][Watch Thread]

Happening tomorrow. Who's stoked to see it fall apart?
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 No.483655>>483663>>483666

Just watched Kamala's speech. She came off as if pleading for votes, but she was at least more coherent than Trump has been lately. His age is starting to show, and the Kamala camp will hammer him on this now that he's the oldest candidate running. Trumpfags are trying to say it was some kind of huge bomb, but I'm not seeing that. She probably succeeded at appealing to the demographics that she needed. Hasan Piker may not be happy with it, but nobody who isn't extremely online gives a shit about Hasan Piker. We'll see how she does at the debates, but it's highly possible that she could win.
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 No.483663

>>483655
Giving a better speech than Trump is an extremely low bar. Wouldn't be surprised if she managed it, but I'm not gonna bother watching. So far she's been Biden on genocide, and from what I can glean nobody takes her speech as any kind of assurance that that's going to change.
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 No.483666

>>483655
There won't be debates most likely. Trump and Harris both have plausible "dodges", plus, no one really cares about that shit any more.
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