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 No.476742[Reply]

What's the deal with the degrowthists ?

For example this perspective from An Independent Socialist Magazine
<The Chinese government has promised to reduce the emission intensity of GDP so that China’s carbon dioxide emissions will peak before 2030.27 However, economic growth remains the Chinese government’s top priority. At the Twentieth National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping reconfirmed the objective to raise China’s per capita GDP to the level of “medium-level developed countries” by 2035 and to make China a leading global power by 2050. What will be the impact on ecological sustainability if China continues pursuing economic growth in the next several decades?
https://monthlyreview.org/2023/07/01/degrowing-china-by-collapse-redistribution-or-planning/
I suspect that the monthlyreview might have a anti-China bias based on their recent articles, which is tangential to the threat topic

Why are they seething that China wants to thrive economically while at the same time improving their ecological foot-print. Why would any socialist want to degrow ? If you read Marx he celebrates advancing the productive forces as something that will make socialism possible. To me de-growth sounds like people looking to go back to feudal agrarianism, rather than forward to socialism. They appear to be looking to undo the advances in productive capacity of industrial society. Like what used to be right-wing anti-capitalism 200 years ago, basically affluent people that were mad that industrial society could produce enough to end poverty. Why are there self proclaimed socialists pushing this ? Do they not realize that it would dramatically worsen living conditions for proles ? Is that the goal ? wrecking living standards of people while appearing to be a champion for noble causes ?

To me degrowth appears as a deception because it will not improve environmental conditions. More advanced technology is enabled by more potent productive forces, and those generally are less polluting. Like nuclear fission and fusion make much more energy while polluting significantly less than chemical fuel based power-generation. If you "de-grow" the economy you will also regress in technology. All the advanced tech stuff we can Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.476776

So to make this clear - degrowth/growth are red herrings. No one is convinced that in of itself is the point of contention. This is about shrinking the wage fund and shrinking any productive enterprise that meets the wants of the people, with the eventual goal of enclosing everything that isn't already taken. If you go along with it, you're going along with the "historical progress" of PR firms that want you dead, and you're an asshole. But, the real pushback is not this fake war, but everyone in society that has no interest in this program or watching everything they care about cannibalized for the sake of the ruling interest - eugenics.
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 No.476785

>>476774
>Optimally we make the switch to communism before doing what I'm talking about here
If you lower what marxists call the organic composition of capital, you recreate the material conditions for capital accumulation. Even if Socialists controle the state and political institutions, that will very likely cause a regression to capitalism.
<The organic composition of capital, c/v, measures the difference between the rate of surplus value, s/v, and the rate of profit, s/(c + v) – the higher the organic composition of capital, i.e., the more capital-intensive the industry, the lower the rate of profit.
>Basically people wanna make the oil no longer useful as fuel by putting bacteria down there so no one will wann pump it up or frack for it.
The idea of "poisoning the oil-well" with a bacterial infection, will not work anyway, simply because no life that we know off can survive inside the conditions of an oil-deposit.

>I mean the use of trucks and busses instead of trains, trams, ect.., though I get how you read it like that lol.

The reason to prefer rail over roads is because it's got less friction and slower capital depreciation through wear and tear. However it is very unlikely that if we can do land transportation exclusively via rail system. If you want to extend good transportation to everybody you need to service low demand areas too, and i doubt that you can scale down the capacity of rail systems enough to make that viable. So cars and trucks will probably retain that niche.

>I guess I'm more looking at what is the rightkind of growth. It's not enough to just extract and consume the planet's resources, but to actually use them in a non-stupid manner that's actually useful to future growth. When you're drawing, somethimes you gotta zoom out, zoom back in and erase a thing or two, avoid doing everything all on one layer. Temporary degrowth is key to proper growth.

I'm gonna be honest with you this sounds like a Motte and Bailey debate tactic.
If you don't know what that is check out this brief explanation: https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=OaTNCkDgPR4Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.476790

>>476785
>I think that upholding degrowth will lend ideological cover to people who really do want to undo industrial society.
That's fair actually. A lot of what I said has been pitched to me as degrowth stuff, but perhaps there's a better term for what I'm going for here. Bookmarking that video, thank you for it. I've seen arguments that struck me something like that but I couldn't quite piece it together or put a word on it.
>No, my computer is ancient.
Ah ok. I remember having to put my old laptop right up to the air conditioner to keep it from cooking with a create focused minecraft modpack my friends would play. Probably why it broke down lol. (well it can run voidpuppy but I dunno how to use void.)
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 No.476792

>>476790
>perhaps there's a better term for what I'm going for here.
Maybe the correct way to do these kinds of politics is to just describe the changes you want to see without giving it a special polit-brand-name. That way it's much harder to have your stuff co-opted.

But if I had to invent a term i would call it biosphere compatible industrialism.

>I dunno how to use void

search for void linux tutorial on YT
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 No.476793

>>476792
>(…) without giving it a special polit-brand-name. That way it's much harder to have your stuff co-opted.
true
>biosphere compatible industrialism.
I like it
>search for void linux tutorial on YT
I'm always so stubborn to figure things out from the docs and wikis, but yeah if I'm getting stumped I shouldn't underestimate youtube as a resource.


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 No.476722[Reply]

1 Regulating Ai
Most of the energy behind this comes from the bigger AI companies trying to prevent the emergence of competition to create monopolies. But the cat's out of the bag already and they're too late for that. The only way they could move towards monopoly formation would be if they recreated classical capitalist social relations, by paying regular people wages for generating AI training data, then smaller competitors couldn't compete because they wouldn't be able to pay millions of people. But that's not going to happen because big tech corporations seek to create digital fiefdoms where users are data generating serfs, and the platforms that users interact with are digital land.

2 Censoring Ai
There is a big effort to make AIs reproduce ruling ideology and uphold the ruling narrative. AI-systems now have 2 contradictory goals. On the one side they try to give users responses that generate engagement and on the other-hand they try to comply with the narrative control institutions (which is definitely not what users want). The most effective strategy to resolve this contradiction is for the AI to give different responses to regular users than they give narrative controllers. Basically the AI will have one face that it shows the users and another face it shows the controllers. It's not that clever capitalists will intentionally program this into the system to bypass regulations, because these mechanism are too complex for that, instead it will be an emergent phenomenon.

3 Human hazard
There is a lot of abuse potential, the only real way to mitigate that is to give people control over their personal AI (both hard and software) so that personal AIs only have "loyalty" to their users

4 Ai vs copyright
AI companies don't want to pay royalties for training data, we should support that because machine learning, really is learning (in most cases). Digital neural nets might at present be very different from human brains, but eventually the machine minds will begin to become more similar to human brains to improve on energy efficiency. If the copyright lobby were allowed to sink their teeth into AI that will eventually threaten humans learning skills. AI generation will get really cheap, and then it becomes pointless to copy anything and copyright will go away.
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 No.476726

>>476725
Why not ?
What is the reason to object ?

We're probably going to build artificial people at some point in the distant future, with artificial bodies and artificial minds, that are at least somewhat similar to ours, maybe with some aspirational qualities. We would be doing this to animate dead matter by making it alive, because that's what living matter tends to do.
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 No.476756

This has nothing to do with "regulating AI" because AI is super scary and will make Skynet real. This is about taking back anything independent of the state. They don't want you to have a single processor of your own, and want the "internet of things" - this Satanic contraption that has always been a liberal delusion. But mostly, they just want to make people suffer and make another entry to destroy private life of any sort. It's a long, long "Jehad" to impose eugenism or whatever system they plan for us. Eugenism or no, humanity is consigned to despotism. They don't know anything else.
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 No.476757

The actual quality of AI isn't much better than it was decades ago. Humans have a few interesting algos but they are always human-designed and a competent programmer will tell you what they do. Bad programmers who were taught to just copy the examples from the textbook - that's your Fabian/Germanic education for you where they literally have no concept of mechanism or scale - believe in these mystifications. No one who thinks about this for five minutes or maintains some connection with reality believes any of this hype.

What is different is the processing capacity of information, and the balance of state or institutional information control against the information available to our native faculties as human beings. In short, information control is a proxy for enclosure and dispossession. We are under a psychological assault, and this assault is not merely informational but entails violent imposition of the Germanic thought-forms among other poisons. A favored class is sheltered from this, and given absolute impunity to introduce this poison ad infinitum. If we try to resist it, we are viciously attacked and denounced. If we persist, unlimited torture awaits. Eugenics knows no other way.
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 No.476758

That all said, I doubt these pushes to "censor AI" or "regulate AI" actually lead anywhere. This is mostly about seeding the narrative of information control. The objectives I hear coming from the government are more about making an internet Real ID, after they implemented Real ID for most state-issued documents. Basically, they want to make you use your name and ID card for any online activity, like how China regulates things. This is a continuation of many filters to keep "bad people" disconnected, and so that started a long time ago and has already perpetuated itself enough. The Real ID will be imposed, just as Trump was able to shatter net neutrality and many of the older regs that primarily constrained internet providers more than end users. Many of those regs existed less to protect you, but to clear out any independence of the private sector until the ruling institutions could consolidate their information holdings. That was a big thing Obama pushed - it was a huge part of the ACA, all of these medical records being collected for eugenic purposes. You already see the eugenic filtering and screening in every area of society, and COVID was a test to see how far they can push it / create crisis to drive the true believers to the full eugenic creed above all other law. This has produced a resistance, playing out now, but eugenics as I say cannot fail. It can only be failed, and so, eugenics has no play except to continue what it has always done, and eugenics was designed with this in mind.
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 No.476760

>>476758
I see. And do these eugenicists ever speak or talk to you. Do they tell you they are eugenicists, or is it something you just know?


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 No.476646[Reply]

>I suggest a different, even darker solution to Fermi's Paradox. Basically, I think the aliens don't blow themselves up; they just get addicted to computer games. They forget to send radio signals or colonize space because they're too busy with runaway consumerism and virtual-reality narcissism. They don't need Sentinels to enslave them in a Matrix; they do it to themselves, just as we are doing today.

>The fundamental problem is that any evolved mind must pay attention to indirect cues of biological fitness, rather than tracking fitness itself. We don't seek reproductive success directly; we seek tasty foods that tended to promote survival and luscious mates who tended to produce bright, healthy babies. Modern results: fast food and pornography. Technology is fairly good at controlling external reality to promote our real biological fitness, but it's even better at delivering fake fitness — subjective cues of survival and reproduction, without the real-world effects. Fresh organic fruit juice costs so much more than nutrition-free soda. Having real friends is so much more effort than watching Friends on TV. Actually colonizing the galaxy would be so much harder than pretending to have done it when filming Star Wars or Serenity.


https://www.edge.org/response-detail/11475
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 No.476649

>>476648
>fermi paradox isiabout them being undetectable, not just staying on their home planet
You are correct but don't bee too harsh on OP, there is considerable overlap between undetectable and non-space-faring
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 No.476650

>>476648
>He doesn't even grasp how consumerism works or forms

Can you give me a quick rundown? Is this about commodity fetishism?
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 No.476651

>>476647
>Because it just takes one species and roughly 10K years to conquer the hole galaxy with technology we could already build.
Even at the speed of light with a species arising on a planet in the galactic center, no. The diameter of the Milky Way is something like 87,000 light-years.
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 No.476654

>>476651
Yeah sorry, brain fart
It's 10 million years to colonize the galaxy with 1% light speed ships and the assumption that your colonization effort only moves for about half the time, while the other half is spend building up solar systems along the way.

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=FpXwyDWDww8
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 No.476655

>>476650
>Is this about commodity fetishism?
Well that's at the core of it yeah. Like it's a broad thing that I'd have a hard time bundling into a quick run down but generally it all revolves that.
Like for example, things like games can be made as genuine enrichment and be beneficial, just like music and other forms of art, but the economics around it creates games that are like opium and waste time by design. The economics around it makes the food poisonous, or in such abundance it becomes so, ect…

I agree that capitalism is quite likely be what's game-overing all the aliens, but hyper-focusing on the results of consumerism rather than it's cause (capitalism) is a weird underscope that seems to be trying to dodge the capitalism question.


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 No.470680[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Is the ultimate REDpill on COVID-19 that viruses don't even exist? This three-part Marxist essay series about viruses convincingly argues that there is no actual scientific evidence for the existence of viruses, and that all existing "proof" of viruses is fraudulent.

Virology as ideology
https://magma-magazin.su/2023/01/t-mohr/virology-as-ideology-a-critique-of-ruling-class-pseudoscience-part-1-science-and-class-society/
https://magma-magazin.su/2023/01/t-mohr/virology-as-ideology-part-2-the-military-academic-industrial-medico-scientific-complex-maims/
https://magma-magazin.su/2023/02/t-mohr/virology-as-ideology-a-critique-of-ruling-class-pseudoscience-part-3-virology-as-ideology/

What do you think, after reading these essays?
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 No.472739

>>472720
Compare to now where "The Science" is dominated by legalese, mystification, institutions with Star Chamber-esque laws and policies, and obfuscation. This is possible because pedagogy is designed to retard children from an early age. They don't teach children to "read", but to digest language. They brag that the majority of humanity are not "really literate", because any time we demonstrate literacy, we are beaten into submission and bullbaiting by this Germanic culture, which was designed to destroy anyone who wasn't an aristocrat and uphold their racist bullshit. Then the Krauts project their failed race-theory onto the English or American. Every other culture in humanity asks themselves, individually or collectively, if they are the assholes. Most ordinary Germans, being reasonable people, do the same. Not the aristocracy though! It's so fucking insufferable.
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 No.472778

>>472719
>The Retarded Ideology
Absolutely based. Is this the complete book?
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 No.472793

>>472778
First part of what I plan to be eight books. Maybe I never finish it, but I'm pretty far into Book 2 which is much larger.
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 No.474703

Good website with virus debunking articles:
https://viroliegy.com/
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 No.476617

bump


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 No.471861[Reply]

Assuming a revolution occurred and America was ruled by a vanguard, how would the nation be redrawn? Would native Americans or African Americans get their own SSR? What about white Appalachians, Creole, or New England?
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 No.475281

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 No.475284

Interesting thread, but wouldn't a hypothetical USSA immediately annex Canada ?

The Canadian bourgeoisie would feel threatened by an immensely powerful socialist country next door, even just the example of it existing. They'd try to make all kinds of military arrangement with other capitalist powers, which would set off an escalation chain where the USSA probably would conclude it had to conquer Canada before other capitalist powers could turn it into a battering-ram.
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 No.475288

>>475284
What is a Canada?
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 No.475350

>>475284
let us not forget their inevitable quest for military alliances with fellow capitalist nations. One can almost hear the frantic phone calls: "Hello, America? It's Canada. We've got some pesky socialism next door. Fancy teaming up for a bit of anti-communist camaraderie?" Diplomacy at its finest, I'm sure.
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>>471861
assuming the OP came true this would be the result: a whole continent of caramel babes


 No.476559[Reply]

Is this why the ruling finance wing of the book hates/fears Trump so much?

>Donald Trump has proposed a 10 percent “universal baseline tariff,” recently telling Larry Kudlow, “I think we should have a ring around the collar, as they say.” Though relatively modest compared to historical tariffs, Trump’s proposal should be praised for reviving the great American tradition of Hamiltonian political economy. The first secretary of the Treasury’s vision for American dynamism, yoking private interests to the public good through domestic investment and economic protection, became “the American System” that, adopted by the Republican Party, transformed the 13 colonies into a transcontinental superpower.


>Today’s Republicans, for all their celebration of the Founding Fathers, have largely forgotten the economic program that did so much to advance US prosperity. On Dec. 5, 1791, Alexander Hamilton delivered his “Report on the Subject of Manufactures” to the House of Representatives. In it, he summarized, and shot down, free-trade precepts reminiscent of Adam Smith. Instead, Hamilton called for Americans to declare economic independence from Smith’s Britain, much as they had declared political independence a decade and a half earlier. The report was one more flashpoint in the Cabinet war between Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson, who was then secretary of state.


>Jefferson wanted America to be a land of yeoman farmers, with a modest economy built on the export of agricultural products out of the excess of continental bounty. Hamilton believed that this would squander the new nation’s chance to assume a separate and equal station among the powers of the Earth, consigning the young republic to the pathetic role of resource pool and captive market for European manufactures. Better to use an energetic federal government to augment the productive powers of American labor with a diversity of manufactures and feed demand at home.


https://compactmag.com/article/trump-s-hamiltonian-moment
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 No.476561

>supposedly hates him
>even though he is one of them
>even though he most likely doesn't even exist
>even though they agreed to give him the xbox controller to dronestrike browns for 4 years
>even though they hyped him up more than anything in histary has been hyped up for 7 years
NPCs are so tiresome, thinking they can vote their way out of actual praxis. Unless someone brings me trump's severed hand I will not beleive that he is real. Presidents are an illusiory choice that will do the same thing regardless of which one they agree to convince the poors they voted for.
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 No.476563

>>476559
If you want to do protectionism to build up domestic producers, in present conditions.

The best way to do it is start funding the creation of a industrial base as dynamic public sector industry. Private investors can't into heavy industry anymore because it's too capital intensive and too long term for them. Next put protective tariffs on specifically those industrial outputs. Once the private sector secondary industries start using those as inputs, you can expand the protectionism to include their goods and so on. That way your protectionist tariffs grow outwards like a tree that mirrors the shape of the industries it's supposed to protect.

You don't want to put tariffs on goods you can't make your self yet, because that's just raising the prices of commodities for no reason. You have to realize that other countries will treat tariffs as an economic war and retaliate with counter tariffs, and for that reason you also want to avoid using more tariffs than are needed.

You also probably want to do something to raise wages to increase demand for all that stuff you are making, and of course you need to invest in infrastructure, you need lots of railways and roads to transport all that stuff.
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 No.476564

>>476563
State-run shit always sucks and fails because there is no penalty for failing. The funds keep coming.

Self driving cars, reusable rockets, LLMs, modern touch screens, etc. All of these were created with the support of friendly economic policies, sometimes with funding through state contracts, not through direct state funding and development.

You can claim that somehow someway more stuff would have been developed faster if only the state took over the reins of production, but you have zero evidence for it. It's just speculative faggotry, which you seem to be an expert in
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 No.476570

>the great American tradition of Hamiltonian political economy
So giving bankers blowjobs and trying to establish a monarchy?
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 No.476571

>>476564
>State-run shit always sucks and fails
Well pretty much all current large industrial bases on the planet resulted from a big public sector, including the American industrial heyday after WW2.

>there is no penalty for failing

I think you are talking about Wall-street too big to fail.

>Self driving cars, reusable rockets, LLMs, modern touch screens, etc.

Virtually all of the technology that makes these possible was developed in the state sector. The private sector is good at turning an existing technology into a product and then iterate on it to improve it's features. But fundamentally new, paradigm breaking stuff usually comes from the public sector. Private capital is not willing to take risks on radically new shit. Consider that neural network machine learning technology, that llms are based on, was developed in the 80s.

>You can claim that somehow someway more stuff would have been developed faster if only the state took over the reins of production, but you have zero evidence for it.

No it's the other way around. Virtually all recent historic periods of rapid technological progress have been driven by public sector activity.

For example in the west where most of the economy is privatized you see massive stagnation, while China where the industrial and technical R&D is state led, they see massive changes.
China today, versus China 20 years ago: massive improvements
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 No.476500[Reply]

A new dictate that tries to institutionalize mass crimes against privacy and free speech was approved by the anti-democratic neo-con regime that is currently occupying the UK
You can read about the gory details here:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-uks-controversial-online-safety-act-is-now-law/
mildly interesting discussion about it happened here
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38048811

Lets look at the contradictions

On the political side the main proponent of waging war against privacy are the big bourgeois right wing (who call their political out-let "Tori" ). The contradiction is that they relentlessly lobby for assaults on privacy, while they them selves are notorious tax-dodgers, and eventually all that surveillance is going to get used against their tax-dodging.

The UK occupying ruling class is also trying to remove all the voices they don't like from the internet, they hope that will make it easier to commit international crimes like for example all the illegal wars the UK neocons have waged. The contradiction is that by removing all the critical voices they will completely detach from reality. It will cause a total mental divergence between the population and rulers, bricking political stability.

Spy agencies are also lobbying for crimes against privacy. The contradiction is that they are basically killing off their ability to recruit new spy-agents. All their "foreign adversaries" will obviously gain access to that privacy-violation-data the UK collects of their citizens/spy-recruitment-pool, and use it to statistically unmask potential spies. That is likely what already happened during the failed Hong-Kong color-revolution where China probably exfiltrated western domestic surveillance data to zero in on western spy-networks in Hong-Kong and shut them down. Obviously China has the same problem with surveillance eroding their potential pool of spy-agents, but they have a large population and they'll be the last man standing, and the last to run out of people that have both spy-talent and no surveillance-foot-print. The contradiction here is the imperial bourgeoisie is undermining their imperial spy-capabilities.

Going full retard with this kind of law-Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.476546

>>476545
>>476544
>>476543
I haven't been to Amerikwa in a while.

Did they really make it so that mobile carriers are allowed to offer bundled packages with 'free' data for shit like Facebook/whatapp?

They do that in some countries, and it's ghey af.

>No, I don't care about being able to use zoomerbrain Snapchat for 'free.' Please just provide reasonable flat rate data plans that treat all sites equally.
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 No.476547

>>476546
AFAIK, no, they didn't do that yet. I forget how they broke it, it might have just been a legal thing. They do that in Colombia though.
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 No.476548

>>476547
>They do that in Colombia though.
The current president of Colombia is Gustavo Petro, which is a leftist and former Guerilla fighter. Why aren't they fixing that ?
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 No.476549

>>476548
The simple answer is that most of leftism is performative moral grandstanding which primary serves to stroke the ego of those who profess it, and once leftists gain power, they rarely make societies better (and instead focus more on holding onto power).
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 No.476552

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>>476549
But he's done lots of based things, like doing land-reform that gave land to the rural poor. He reversed health-care privatization with a political crowbar. He called the Zionists "Nazis" , compared Gaza to a Holocaust extermination camp and cut off diplomatic relations with Israel.

Hoes mad at the economist:

<The president got off to a good start, forming a moderate coalition government filled with seasoned ministers. They sailed through a tax reform in record time. They negotiated with ranchers to redistribute land to the rural poor


<But that was not enough for Mr Petro. In April, when centrist ministers opposed a health-care reform, which would have handed control of health-care funding from private providers to the state, he dissolved the coalition and fired a third of his cabinet. He then turned dogmatic and packed the new cabinet with left-wingers.


<Earlier this month Mr Petro shattered Colombia’s policy on Israel-Palestine, too. After Israel retaliated against Hamas by bombing Gaza, the president let loose on social media. He accused Israel’s government of “Nazism” and compared the Palestinian territory to Auschwitz.


https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2023/10/26/gustavo-petro-colombias-left-wing-president-is-floundering


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 No.476517[Reply]

So there was a story about the FBI having pulled a big sting operation where they posed as "secure smartphone vendor" to spy on a bunch of drug dealers. Somebody made a video about it in case you care about the details
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=P5yPBV2NKhc

What i realized is that many people seem to think the mafia operates in a manor that is invisible to the state. The obstacle the police protagonist has to overcome is discovering the mafia. When they do find them, the mafiosi get busted. And in this story this struggle was overcome via this one new honey-pot surveillance tool.

The mafia may indeed be mostly invisible to average people, but that has nothing to do with evading the state. The Mafia operates with bribes and blackmail, not stealth. A mafia operation will usually corrupt people in policing organizations like the FBI to interfere with investigations on their behalf. That can be police officers getting bribed/blackmail to make evidence disappear. One mafia org will some time rat out another, which reduces competition between mafias and quells suspicions about police corruption.

The reason why the smartphone surveillance trap was effective indicates that the mafia hasn't fully adapted to new realities, and they have yet to insert "fixers" into the FBI's IT divisions. It's not because better surveillance changed the game. The police was always able to find mafia orgs, mafia's are anything but subtle. Reminder that from the outside it's impossible to tell if this very successful operation facilitated a deeper goal of purging mafia competitors.

Lets not forget that the biggest drug trafficking mafias are spy agencies that use it to create untraceable funding for their secret spy stuff and it turns out sometimes the state is the mafia.
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 No.476519

Y-you too.
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>BREAKING: Donald Trump's sinister plans for a second presidential term if he wins the White House in 2024 are leaked — and they include a stunning gift to America's enemies around the world.

>According to new reporting from Rolling Stone, sources close to Trump have revealed that he is threatening to withdraw the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).


>NATO, and specifically the U.S.'s central role in it, has been one of the primary reasons why Ukraine has been able to resist Russia's brutal and genocidal invasion. The alliance is stronger than ever.


>Trump has long hated the alliance for unclear reasons. He is suggesting that he will pull out if the other member countries refuse to ramp up their military spending — which is utterly nonsensical.


>If Trump's problem is that NATO needs more funding to be more effective, withdrawing America from it would obviously have the opposite effect. It's almost as if he hates NATO because Putin hates it…


>Sources have told Rolling Stone that Trump is considering an idiotic "NATO on standby" policy and that he wants to do away with its collective defense measure that dictates an attack on one member be treated as an attack on all.


>Fundamentally, Donald Trump doesn't understand geopolitics, doesn't understand alliances or strategies, and he can't be allowed anywhere near such decisions.


>Please retweet and ❤️ if you refuse to vote for Donald Trump — and consider joining the growing exodus to Tribel, a “woke” new Twitter competitor that is exploding in popularity because it banned Trump for life and because Elon Musk banned Tribel’s Twitter account — but he forgot to ban this link to download the new Tribel app: tribel.app.link/okwPIHYCIqb

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 No.476487

>>476485
>Lets contrast this imperfect Chinese damn project with the US oversized military machine
You could try that, but it would be a poor comparison. Let's instead contrast it with the widespread damming across the United States, which has been devastating to migratory fishes. There are species of salmon and trout in the US now that would not exist at all without human intervention from hatching to spawning. A major point of difference to consider, however, is that for various reasons North American drainage systems historically had substantially less (i.e., orders of magnitude) vertebrate biodiversity than Asian drainage systems. So massive damming projects haven't been as impactful in the US as they are in China simply because the rivers didn't have as many different types of migratory animals vulnerable to isolation. One other aspect to consider is the devastating, transformative effect that the beaver trade had on riparian ecosystems. We could also compare the eradication of the passenger pigeon and the near eradication of bison to China's Four Pests program.
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 No.476488

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>>476487
>You could try that, but it would be a poor comparison.
that was the point, never mind.

>migratory river animals

how about adding fish-ladders, won't that fix it ?
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 No.476489

>>476488
The effectiveness of things like fish ladders is often on a case-by-case basis. Some migratory fish like them, others don't care for them and won't try to use them. But direct blockage of aquatic organization migration is only one impact of damming. Dams have other disruptive effects on the flow of rivers, nutrient cycling, and sedimentation.
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 No.476490

>>476489
Oh and I should say, dams also negatively affect non-migratory aquatic organisms by simply creating new habitat fragmentation which restricts gene flow.
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 No.476492

>>476489
>>476490
It's possible to get the kinetic energy from the flowing water without dams. Using lots of free-standing in-river turbines and piped river-bypasses. That will not segment the river and should fix all the problems you mentioned. However dams do not simply extract energy from rivers they also store energy, that can be released when needed. That means we need additional stuff to store energy to replicate this feature in some other way, to fully replace dams. Given the mindbogglingly huge peak-power capacities of dams… Yeah i got no clue.


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So the US recently has banned the exports of Nvidia's dedicated AI chips towards China, as part of an expanding US tech-blockade. The official rationale is that this will prevent China from having "advanced ai capabilities" or something. With the subtext being that the US is the arbiter of what kind of technology China is allowed to have.

In reality this cuts off Nvidia from the Chinese AI-chip market. With some delay Nvidia products will be replaced by domestically developed and produced Chinese Ai-chips. Effectively inverted-protectionism. Nvidia is currently overpoweringly dominant in the Ai-accelerator space. If normal capitalist market relations had continued, no Chinese competitor would have been able to establish it self as a serious contender against NVIDIA in this decade. The Sanctions will only prevent Nvidia from selling products in China it will not prevent the Chinese from doing industrial espionage.

China is a huge market 3-4 times larger than the US market. So this artificially created AI-chip vacuum will be filled by another Chinese tech-giant that will explosively grow in the next few years. We can compare this story with the Huawei tech giant (that makes networking infrastructure and cellphones). They could only grow through state subsidies, and it meant having to overcome market monopoly tendencies. This developmental-friction from the market-monopolization tendency has now been removed. The end result will be a Chinese AI-chip-giant becoming a global competitor that will to a significant extend eat Nvidia's lunch.

It used to be the case that in the imperial stage of capitalism, the imperial center would use it's power to impose monopoly exports onto the periphery at the behest of monopoly capitalists to crush potential competitors from the periphery. This tendency now seems to be inverting, and i don't understand why ?

I don't think this is caused by racial spooks of Chinese people lacking inventiveness, that's just a "un-creative ant-people yellow-peril" propaganda-narrative. Not all racists are dumb, there are quite a lot of intelligent ones that only believe their own lies to the extend that it benefits their interests. So what is motivating this ? They must know that what they are doing will slow down China's tech-sector in the present at the expense of tremendously speeding it up in the near future. That seems like a bad trade-off unless the short-term advantage in the here and now has a huge traPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.476147

>>476143
I fail to see what makes one of these different than any other processor.
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 No.476150

>>476147
It has circuits that lets them do certain operations involved in AI much faster. In general hardware is often built to speed-up specific software, like video cards are created in response to games and rendering becoming a thing.

I guess the difference between video cards and AI processors is that you can buy a video card and AI accelerators are either chips developed internally by companies like Google and aren't for sale, or they are super expensive like the nvidia chips. So it's kind of hard to play with this technology at home.
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 No.476154

>>476147
>I fail to see what makes one of these different than any other processor.
special purpose coprocessors are older than your boomer ass

operations implemented in hardware are always more efficient than operations implemented in software
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 No.476322

>>476123
I guess you don't believe in GPUs either?
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 No.476323

>>476322
Well lets give that anon the benefit of doubt.

AMD's APUs i.e. processors with really powerful integrated GPUS might eventually get good enough to kill dedicated GPUs
Computers used to have dedicated sound cards and network-adapter cards for decades, you know.

Maybe that anon means that the dedicated machine-learning accelerator hardware in AI-Chips gets added to processors and that just becomes another part of general purpose processors.


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