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aka /leftypol/: An Exploration into the Causes and Effects of Identity Politics.
Let's get to the bottom of identity politics, bane of the radical left and blockade to normie socialism.

ITT post about idpol and anti-idpol.
Post literature, effortposts, infographics, etc.
Post about what idpol is, the history of idpol, idpol today, the problems with it, and how to deal with it.

The point of this thread is to develop our discourse on the topic. Currently the meaning of idpol and many people's understanding of it is extremely nebulous. This is a problem for us in addressing it in general. It is a problem for the mods appropriately moderating it. It's a problem for users knowing what posts are good. Most importantly it's an obstacle to people knowing what kind of theory is sensible and based versus what is idpozzed and cringe. Most of us will agree that idpol is a problem the left deals with to some degree more or less online or in real life. It is both an inferior understanding of politics and a way of baiting people. What we sometimes don't agree on is what idpol is and how it works. That's what this thread is for: fleshing out our discourse so that we can better combat liberalism (and other right wing politics) and promote communism.
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>but rather that fighting for the emancipation of individual identities without a class character ultimately amounts to fighting for individual emancipation, rather than emancipating the group as a whole
unless this is vague wording, it is an obvious category error. im assuming it is the former and this was an elaboration on your part: >>306333. in which case, looking closer, i was wrong in saying the points are contradictory as perhaps what you meant was the hyper-individuality described in the text. either way, it is a poor, abstract direction from which to analyze things. even if one may slice the individual into multiple facets, no doubt their economic conditions should be primary (seeing as it structures your necessary daily behaviours towards sustenance, as well as the entertainment you consume ergo social relations you have). it's not a problem of "individualism", but rather self-reflection. amending this, we see it is much more a problem of focus. the point about being a pervert is true though. especially with issues of transgenderism, people have been psyoped into thinking it matters. unless you are dysphoric it matters much less than is apparent. what mostly matters is that states do not make legal access to HRT more difficult, and transhumanists can find shelter (the latter problem is much more symptomatic of our economic system with prejudice being the particular tools to instantiate it). gender dysphoria isn't revolutionary; it's a mental illness that makes several people suffer. at best, that transitioning (and for that matter, gay marriage) is popularly suggested is symptomatic of deterritorialization of gender roles. all of these ideas would be nonsensical 80 years ago. the real force here lies within advances in technologies, not that some people do stuff different from the norm lol. in either case, all of these identities just get incorporated into capital at large, like you point out. it doesn't touch deeper, more fundamental problems at all. unless identity politics is structured around making a particular non-economic demographic in itself revolutionary, this is not a global criticism of the prPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


*particular aesthetic paint for capitalist profit is low hanging fruit


is just regular individualism from the POV of collectivism.


feels like individualism vs collectivism is just a recapitulation of liberal talking points. all of us here are presumably of the working class. a dictatorship of the proletariate should be in our individual interests. the problem is that "individualism" is often tied to hollow ideals such as the american dream (which overestimates the ergodicity of our current economical system) all in order for us to accept exploitation and work our hardest in the rat race without question. it's something that only makes sense to the (petite) bourgeoisie. either way, it isn't "the cult of the individual". if it was, we'd be living in stirner land lol

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All US schools must be closed as part of a strategy to eradicate COVID-19!
>The unfolding catastrophe in the US makes clear the need to immediately close all schools as part of a broader strategy of eliminating COVID-19 in the US and ultimately eradicating the virus worldwide.

This utterly murderous fiasco is a warning to the working class.

If you think these lunatics have a solution to anything think again. Be it a Trump, be it a Biden, the inexorable crisis of capitalism dictates to all !!

End it before 'it' ends us all !!


Now if we could just end those damn Pabloites!

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US ruling class cuts off pandemic jobless aid, pushing millions over financial cliff
>The termination of federal unemployment benefits, supported by the White House and Congress, is aimed at beating back the growing movement by workers against low wages.

A blatant class war is unfolding as we speak. The ruling classes in America are in midst of removing the pandemic jobless aid while at the same time are still buying 120 billion dollars worth of bonds each month for the sake of proping up the wealth of the financial Oligarchy.


Time to organize workers into rank-and-file committees for the fourth intercontinental cadre of the fourth international committee of the fourth internationale.


I though it would be a good idea to start a Stalin related research and discusion thread.

There are some interesting academic works that have appeared in Russian over the last decade as interest in this period of Soviet History has increased.
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The Semashko System under Nikolai Aleksandrovich Semashko



I am aware of its basic structure, but more precisely I am wondering how it fit in with larger economic transformation of the time.

For example, did medical equipment and pharmaceutical directly under it or was that handled by a seperate ministry with its own state owned enterprises?


Is that video credible? I really like it



Mostly yes (some points of marxist theory in it are simplified), though you will have to dig through more of Russian communist youtube to get sources. Boris Yulin, Vestnik Buri, Egor Yakovlev, Evgeny Spitsin (спицын), are a few names to look up.


Anyone read farm to factory?

Learning about the feldman-mahalanobis model was very instructive for ne, as it showed the sound logic in developing heavy industry as a priority, as once strated the strategy would greatly accelerate the growth of the productive base and hence rapidly increase living standards in the near future.

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Labor Day 2021 takes place amidst surging pandemic and growth of the class struggle
>Labor Day is marked in the United States today under conditions of a devastating resurgence of the pandemic and a growing movement of workers to break free of the corporatist trade unions.

Nice work by comrade Jerry White, which points to the contradictions of the present situation. After presiding on the pandemic disaster, which was inherited from the previous Trump administration, the Biden presidency relies on the trade union leaders to push the workers to work, especially the teachers. Not withstand their crocodile tears of “extraordinary sacrifices” of the American workers, not only Washington administration is presiding on the cuts in unemployment benefits, but imposing speedups on the masses. It is not accidental that poverty-wage Amazon was able to recruit around 500,000 new workers during the pandemic period. As described in the article, the working class has come forward to challenge the plans of the ruling elite, despite it being sabotaged by the unions. This was demonstrated by the Volvo workers, and now the Dana workers in a number of US states. They have come forward to forming rank and file committees, which is the only way to develop the class struggle.


>forming rank and file committees
To this day I still have no idea what David North's followers mean by this.


Are you sure he doesn't mean outgrowths of the communist ideal devoted to the movement and who have a perspicacious discernment of the corporeal realities of the contemporary period?


Well now you're just being rude anon.

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How is value determined in the case of joint production?

Let's say, it takes 15 hours of labour on average to raise and slaughter a chicken for its meat. How does the value of the chicken's foot or wing compare to the value of the chicken's head or the chicken's feathers?
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No, >>410664 is a bad post (was it yours?). The socially necessary labor to produce chicken breast includes raising the whole chicken. The socially necessary labor to produce chicken feet (in some regions of the world this is basically eaten like popcorn) also includes raising the whole chicken. You have to work from the aggregate to the parts to not double-count or triple-count the cost of raising a chicken.


You know, I really do think this a fairly nice model thread some decent effort posts that actually did help OP with his question.

While not perfect, if we can encourage more discussion of this nature we will all be better for it.


>How is value determined in the case of joint production?
aggregate hours spent in production

50 hour spent in lithium mine to mine up 10 tons of lithium
10 hours spent to transport 10 tons of lithium to factory
10 hours spent to produce [mobile phone, which, obv. has more inputs than just lithium, but you get the gist]

next question



The question was already answered, I revived the thread because were good examples.

That said you misunderstood the question, which was how to divide the labour time when there are multiple outputs from a single production process (Equally applies to how to divide up the fixed depreciation of machine or building that has multiple products).


The chicken is used as material for the creation of another commodity in the same way that a metric ton of plastic polypropylene pellets can be injected into any mold and sold off as different commodities. The chicken becomes part of the raw material for the production process. This is the exact same process from the perspective of capitalist production as the raising and selling of the whole chicken to the meat packing factory.

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I'm looking for resources. I remember vaguely that Trotsky had a text (speech?) about corruption as a natural counterpart of poverty/lack of abundance, but I might be wrong…

Any theorists tackling this issue? Thanks.
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It being the economic mode of production we understand as communism


It being the economic mode of production we understand as communism


>Muh idealism.
Yes, basically Marx & Engels' criticism of your position boils down to that, which is to say you will never be able as an ancom to hold a position that is actually
<an out growth of marxism
because you are totally fucking misguided personally, confused theoretically, and impotent in praxis.

>Who gives a shit what marx and engles opinions where.

Marxists. Also, honest people who claim to be having a position that is
<an out growth of marxism…
which is to say people who are not as dishonest as you are.

>The actual historical fact is that anarchists of the 19th and early 20th century heavily agreed with the material critiques laid out by marx

Except they disagreed on super important questions like the prole vs. lumpen prole question, the role of the state, the role of the party, and so on and so on. You are as much a Marxist as Marx was a classical liberal – while there are overlaps, to argue continuity is a total fucking lie.

>That is what the split was about and has fuck all to do with wether or not anairchism is a development of Marxism of not (it is) and only the biggest idpozzed cultists USSR simps

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They were both in YouTube videos that I unfortunately lost the links to.

You maybe able to get them if you type in their names and corruption into the search bar.


You will never be a Marxist You have no theory. you have no movement you have no revolutionaries. You are a revisionist man twisted by liberalism and opportunism into a crude mockery of Marx's perfection.

All the validation you get is two-faced and half-hearted Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your comrades "laugh at your ghoulish theory behind closed doors

Revolutionaries are utteriy repulsed by you Hundreds of years of theory have allowed revolutionaries to snif out frauds with incredible eficiency Even socdems who pass" look uncanny and unmarxist to a revolutionary Your Kautskyite opportunism is a dead giveaway And even if you manage to get a revolutionary in your party, he'll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whif of your diseased, infected liberalism.

You will never be a communist You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it's going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the parliamentarism creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight Eventually it'll be too much to bear-you'll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss Your comrades will find you, hearbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment Theyll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a revsionist is buried there Your body will decay and go back to the dust. and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably revsionist.

This is your fate This is what you chose. There is no turning back

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Just want to revive the New Multitude thread. New Multitude has left wing perspective from all around the world and seeks contributions from anons too. Some articles are already written by anons. Send your thoughts and drafts to [email protected]

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could someone just post his writing here for me in a txt file?


Quick question: Who is in control of the website since the split?


The original server owner from the other domain.
The other jannies highjacked the domain. Zer0 who also has control over this domain.



Oh that is unfortunate. It seems that informal relative disorganization affected this as well.


thats a nice way to say it

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If someone took the initiative to create a youtube channel shamelessly advertising leftypo.org what content would you expect from that content creator? What advice would you give him/her?

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Less fuckin do it brah


Alright, I'll create a post when I come back from the vet appointment

My cat ate plastic, stupid fucking cat


It's here gentlemen


users. and that goes for both sites


>How am I the cuck in this understanding?
you deleted your channel and all your videos after he made fun of you on his stream

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>Police officers in Baja California, Mexico were disarmed for 3 days during a check up.

>No armed robberues was reported during those 3 days
>A gun was found inside a toilet in the office building of the general director of the police department.

Top kek!


Heil hitler


the police are literal narcos in mexico, you could kill half the police department and that would be an improvement.
>t. mexican

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