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 No.465340[Reply]

>Thought experiment:

Let's assume there are two societies. Within both these societies, the only thing produced is apples, which represents the sum product of labor. Also, for simplicity sake, let's assume each society only has 10 people.

In society A, a total of 10 apples are produced in a given period. They are divided equally, with each person getting 1 apple each. (This, of course, represents a society without class division or exploitation).

In society B, let's assume that 100 apples are produced during the same period of time. However, they are divided unequally. 1 person receives 82 apples, whilst the 9 other people each receive 2 apples. Obviously, this society has steep inequality, yet each member is twice as materially supplied compared to those in the first

Which society is preferable given this info?

Society A, which is egalitarian? Or society b, which is sharply divided but in which the lowest members each receive twice as much in absolute material terms?

We could say that, obviously society B, since it provides for its lowest members twice as much. Or perhaps it's society A, in which all people are poorer in absolute terms, yet doesn't have class divisions and antagonisms, comparison anxiety (so long as they aren't comparing themselves in society B) and social animosity owing to inequality.

What say you?
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 No.465383

>>465381
>Omg, my brand no phone is a commodity and requires a service package. Why can't we have a perfect world like I imagine. I hate capitalism!!!
Maybe you're just dim and naive?
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 No.465384

>>465382
No, simply staying that it wasn't an alternative egalitarian mode of production which supplies those things.
>I wonder why the world isn't perfect
Literally naive
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 No.465388

>>465384
What the fuck is this faggotry? Computers exist in the first place because there were people who understood the market is not made of magic. That phone and that computer exist because someone figured out that letting petty-managers rule was stupid, and so they turn to the machine god since these managers are too fucking incompetent to manage effectively, and absolutely refuse to do basic shit. People like you are nothing but a cancer on anything we would want to produce, and you do it purely for the faggotry.
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 No.465390

>>465388
I'm arguing with an emotional child
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 No.465419

>>465390
You are not arguing at all.


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 No.455272[Reply]

I think hat block chain has huge benefit to mankind and how we can allocate resources in society but even crypto like bitcoin itself I think needs to be defended. Bitcoin and decentralized networks of finance, whether you believe it or not is Important IMO. Even if it flies in the face of our own ideals. It is a step forward for people. Think about how many people have never even entertained the ideals of decentralization before bitcoin and blockchain? Now its fresh in the ears of millions of people who may not have ever known such a formation was possible.

There's many powerful interests that want to see block chain destroyed or controlled by their influence. (The same people who we want to fight against)

And this is why I think we should be defending crypto at the end of the day.
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 No.465365

>>465363
I am not seeing how such a thing would play out. What is this "crash?" Is it caused by the hoarding that said whales are engaged in? If so, how? Even in such a scenario, why would they eliminate their own coins instead of exchanging them for other speculative assets?

What is "growth" in this case? Just line-go-up on the price of the asset?
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 No.465367

>>465365
I was more talking about a hypothetical scenario where some crypto replaces fiat
in this case a "crash" would mean a recession with a chain reaction
in such a situation the pressure on whales from the suffering bourgeoisie would be such that they will cave in

if we're talking about a situation where crypto remains on the margins of the capitalist system - then a "crash" would mean a crash in price, ie due to the decreasing influx of new investors
in such a situation whales may find it to be more profitable to increase the supply beyond the cap to attract new investors

>Even in such a scenario, why would they eliminate their own coins instead of exchanging them for other speculative assets?

Again, if we're talking about crypto as a reserve currency - in a crash all is going to be in red
the crypto would be the safest harbor if it's anything like gold

if we're talking about crypto as it is today - they just can't, even if they want
they need to convert to fiat first, and if the whales try to cash out majority of their coins - they will crash the price and the crypto market will run out of liquidity faster than a leaky bucket in a desert
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 No.465372

>>465367
>in such a situation the pressure on whales from the suffering bourgeoisie would be such that they will cave in
What pressure can smaller porkies put on big porkies? The big ones like to devour the weaker, smaller ones, not help them up when they fall down.
>in such a situation whales may find it to be more profitable to increase the supply beyond the cap to attract new investors
Wouldn't that likley come in the form of more mining?
>Again, if we're talking about crypto as a reserve currency - in a crash all is going to be in red
the crypto would be the safest harbor if it's anything like gold
I would hesitate to call something that is so prone to price fluctuations a safe harbor.
>if the whales try to cash out majority of their coins - they will crash the price and the crypto market will run out of liquidity faster than a leaky bucket in a desert
Just don't be the last sucker holding the coins.
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 No.465392

>>465372
>What pressure can smaller porkies put on big porkies?
the pressure of greater numbers
it's also not necessary that other, industry oriented, porkies are less bigger and influential
capitalists also try to diversify so I imagine whales would have assets across multiple industries, just like banks dabble in everything

>Wouldn't that likley come in the form of more mining?

miners live off transaction fees after network hits the cap

>I would hesitate to call something that is so prone to price fluctuations a safe harbor.

I imagine it would stabilize if it gets adopted as a reserve currency

>Just don't be the last sucker holding the coins.

that's the problem - the whale would be holding the bag long before he can completely cash out, there is just that little liquidity to go around relative to the market cap

it's more profitable to get a loan with your crypto "assets" as a collateral or something
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 No.465408

>>465392
>the pressure of greater numbers
Those greater numbers had better be expressions of capital value.
>it's also not necessary that other, industry oriented, porkies are less bigger and influential
Are you thinking like Bezos butting heads with Buffett? That would get ugly.
>capitalists also try to diversify so I imagine whales would have assets across multiple industries, just like banks dabble in everything
In this global capitalism, ownership of everything really is spread out across the entire ruling class.
>I imagine it would stabilize if it gets adopted as a reserve currency
Crypto would have to be currency before it can be a reserve currency, and it is really bad at that.
>it's more profitable to get a loan with your crypto "assets" as a collateral or something
Lel, it's funny how much of finance boils down to just scammers scamming scammers.


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 No.453601[Reply]

What is leftychan opinion on forced vaccinations? I'm on the fence about it. On one hand I don't think workers should be loosing their jobs. On the other hand I think it's kind of selfish and stupid to be a fucking child about getting the poke when your inaction effects the lives of every one around you possibly with death.

Curious
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 No.465104

>>455198
>Like censorship for example.
t. the exact sort of idiot we don't want running a post-revolutionary government.
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 No.465105

>>465104
Some people believe dictatorship of the proletariat just means a dictatorship. We call them retards.
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 No.465107

>>453601
>opinion on forced vaccinations?
In principle you do not want to have political interference in medical treatments, and leave the decision to doctors and patients.

Viruses are a communicable disease, that changes the dynamic a little bit, whether or not you vaccinate your self does affect other people too.

The history of mandatory public vaccinations is a huge success, countless nasty plagues have been eradicated, when those plagues were still around people voted with their feet for these vaccination programs.

Mandatory vaccinations programs have always been subjected to extremely high medical safety testing and that's why developing vaccines usually takes over 10 years.

Whether the vaccination programs will remain trustworthy in a grim dark capitalist future with even more corporate influence on institutions, is debatable. Like recently Bill Gates the monopolist computer software guy, was for some incomprehensible reason involved in world health affairs. Maybe they got confused because MS Windows also has viruses?

I guess that open sourcing vaccines and all the related knowledge-base and technologies would be a good way to have at least some structure that pulls towards more ethical conduct.

>>465099
kek this guy has priorities
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 No.465206

If anyone approves of vaccines by the fucking British Eugenics Society they are idiots. They knew they had to threaten people with termination to take those shots from the outset, which should tell anyone with a functioning brain all they need to know. It turns out "covid" is a nasty cold and not the fucking black death, which is a surprise to no one who isn't completely retarded about biology.

Anyone suggesting children, who are under coercive pressure from authorities from every direction, should go against the wishes of their parents after being threatened with consequences in private, is a piece of shit and should not be allowed to tell anyone anything about anything.

Mass vaccination has never been a sound strategy for controlling disease. We didn't always have a mandated schedule of a million different vaccines with threats of being shut out of society if you didn't comply. Putting any vaccine into someone was not something taken lightly, and always considered known risks of the process. Further, you can only grant immunity to certain diseases, and infectious disease by itself is usually treatable and does not spread far in any sort of sanitary conditions. It just so happens that eugenics destroyed standard of living and pushed everyone to live in filth and depravity - gee I wonder why. The idea of lockdowns is itself so absurd that I don't even know where to begin, and most people ignored that shit anyway. The only people who had to suffer were China, and they suffered more from the lockdowns than the supposed disease which doesn't even exist in the way Imperial Fucking College said it did. You know they were digging out of the trashbin of British academia when they were looking at Imperial Fucking College. But hey, if you want to follow the British Eugenics Society, you're a fucking idiot, but go right ahead.

From the start this discourse is poisoned with derails and red herrings, and ignores the obvious that the ruling class DOES NOT WANT YOU TO HAVE ANYTHING. I can't believe this is still a question on the left. Everyone should be opposed to this shit. Even a lot of libs are done with the mandatory vaccines and lockdowns. They would have to declare martial law to impose them again, because no one has any reason to trust this government ever again. They know damn well what this is and you're asshats for acting like it's something other than the obvious thing. Given that the ruling class has been screaming for blood, thisPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.465207

>>465206
The "British Eugenics Society" didn't develop the Covid vaccine. Nice try, though. Not reading the rest of your post, plus you're a namefag. Kill yourself.


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 No.465112[Reply]

Thread for screencapping /pol/'s idiocy. It doesn't strictly have to come from 4/pol. You can be on any boards and smell their bullshit from miles away.
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 No.465115

>Goes to /pol/
>Sees retarded shit
>Shocked


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 No.462948[Reply]

(Pic- Kim Il Sung University who released below publication)

2016.12.10.

Deformation in the spiritual and cultural life, this is the means by which the capitalist state and the capitalist class attempt to turn the working masses into modern-day slaves.

The bourgeoisie is spreading reactionary ideology, culture, and rotten bourgeois lifestyle in order to paralyze the working masses' consciousness of independence, make people obey the capitalist system of exploitation, and further degenerate into slaves to money. Thus, in a capitalist society, a perverted hobby of pursuing animalistic "pleasures" that has no relation to people's healthy demands has arisen, paralyzing people's bodies and minds.

Comrade Kim Jong- il , the great leader , taught:

“Even in the countries where capitalism is said to be the most developed, the number of illiterate and mentally handicapped is increasing day by day, and many people are degenerating into vulgar humans who pursue only momentary comfort and pleasure without any ideas or aspirations . ” 》 Supplemental Edition Vol. 12, p. 422)

In the United States, where normal human thinking is completely paralyzed and intelligence and civilization are deformed, the issue of same-sex marriage, which cannot be imagined in human society, is an important topic of discussion every presidential election.

In the United States, the issue of same-sex marriage has been a major topic of discussion during the presidential election since 2004 and has been raised as a political issue. Following the 2008 presidential election in 2012, the views of the presidential candidates against same-sex marriage became a concern of the electors. In the United States, voters generally refer to candidates who support same-sex marriage as innovative and those who oppose it as conservatives.
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 No.465029

based and gorky-pilled
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 No.465034

>>465011
americans are subhumans
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 No.465045

>>462949
That's beautifully put damn
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 No.465062

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>>465034
someone call the exterminator again
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 No.465100

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>>462948
gay people cant be revolutionary because…. because they just cant ok!!!!???!!


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 No.455251[Reply]

How do I become a better socialist? Having dealt with the American healthcare system for the past 3 years, I can't even begin to bring myself to defending capitalism anymore. It doesn't create a better product or service; It just makes for a more conniving business strategy and if, by chance, that creates a better product… All the better for THEIR bottom line.

Had enough; What do I have to do to bring about a socialist utopia?
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 No.455252

americans are getting shot as we speak
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 No.455253

>>455252
Based.

Jk

But, seriously, OP you need to study theory and just do everything you can to try and convince average workers that the path forward is socialism. Get good at arguing your points, read das capital, don't stop or give up even when the odds seem incalculable. Just keep going forward.
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 No.465098

>>455251
kill your boss


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 No.464646[Reply]

<PARIS—To fight President Emmanuel Macron’s pension overhaul, France’s most militant labor union is pursuing a radical strategy: cutting electricity to his political supporters and the wealthy while handing out discounted power and gas to the public.

<During a nationwide strike last week, members of the far-left CGT union who work in the energy sector cut power to the office of a lawmaker from Mr. Macron’s party for more than three hours. On Monday, CGT energy workers in Marseille manipulated electricity and gas meters to cut bills for bakers who were protesting in the French port city against high energy prices. CGT’s leadership called such moves a “Robin Hood” operation and said they would continue as the country prepares for another national protest on Tuesday.


<“Strikes are good, but they’re no longer enough,” said Sébastien Menesplier, head of the CGT’s energy division. “We have to take actions that are visible and impact those who are supporting the government.”

Philippe Martinez, the CGT’s national leader, this week proposed cutting power to billionaires and singled out Vincent Bolloré, a French tycoon who owns a host of businesses, including CNews, a right-leaning 24-hour news channel. “They can put themselves into the position of millions of people who face energy poverty,” Mr. Martinez said.

sauce
https://archive.is/5Xjzg

A new class struggle tactic just dropped.
Is this going to work ?
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 No.464907

>>464905
You have only professed disagreement.

This line of thinking begins with empires that try to find scientific validation for their believes that their power originates from their inherent superiority. They want to believe it's something internal like biology that makes them dominant, because if it's not internal that means they might fall from power.

That's where the ideas for civilizations changing human biology comes from. And it never sticks. All the civilized human versus the savage human from the 18 century empires is now looked upon as an embarrassment to science. Today nobody really believes anymore that some imperial knob from the 18 century British or Spanish empire was right about having been bread/evolved to rule shit, but for a time it was possible to manufacture consent for this. Bear in mind that today power might still be fucking with science to some degree. So be extra critical as soon as something sounds scienncy while flattering rulers.

Credibly attributing genes to something like a civilizational structure isn't really happening on a scientific level that would satisfy rigorous standards. There are a few cases of humans somewhat believably affecting their genes in that way for example enzymes for breaking down ethanol or lactose, but that predates civilization by many millennia.

The french having an unfathomably based tendency to strike and revolt likely isn't genetic, it's a very complex behavior, it would take a very long time to evolve it. Unless your intentions are to troll a bunch of rulers that are still seeking to biologically engineer obedient slaves, and make them waste a bunch of time searching for the revolutionary genes ?
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 No.464912

>>464910
>Wut?
This >>464907 is the standard rant against bio-centrism
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 No.464917

>>464910
Get up babe, the new copypasta just dropped
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 No.465091

The frogs are at it again

<France to be hit by fresh strikes and demonstrations over government's attack on pensions


Further walkouts and marches are planned for Saturday, while left-wing opponents of Mr Macron’s minority administration have already filed thousands of amendments ahead of the parliamentary debate which began this afternoon. Trains and the Paris metro are again expected to see “severe disruptions” according to operators, and around one in five flights at Orly airport, south of the capital, are expected to be cancelled on Tuesday.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/france-to-be-hit-by-fresh-strikes-and-demonstrations-over-government-attack-on-pensions


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 No.465026[Reply]

Seriously look at what Narva was in 1938 vs post WW2.
Baltoid lapdogs are right about that at least.
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 No.465028

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>>465026
Brutalism can also be beautiful.
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 No.465032

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>look at these mass produced soviet apartment buildings that haven't seen a renovation since the end of the Soviet Union! So ugly!
You're right, standard 3-room soviet apartment for a young family is too much for a modern wagecuck. A glorified 10 feet dog booth will suffice for a lapdog.


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 No.439056[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

What is your Leftist unpopular opinion leftypol?

Mine:
>The West is not responsible for every shitty thing that happens in Developing countries, most developing nations just have completely nonfunctional institutions and many suffer from simply having no sense of national identity or cohesion.
>Also "Muh British lines are bad" isn't an excuse, that's practically just arguing that non-ethnostates/Tribal Kingdoms can't work for Africa, South East Asia etc.
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 No.464935

>>439152
Im not even a doomer but yeah, being a straight up state capitalist industrialist would be more effective at bringing socialism than being the most hardcore of revolutionaries in the west right now
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 No.464940

>>464938
Retard you literally have to build up the productive forces to even have a base for socialism, industrializing would revitalize the proletariat class as well as advancing the forces of production. Lenin himself said in the NEP that for this reason they should pay attention to the development of Germany and model themselves after it. It’s more of a legitimate path towards socialism than organizing the current “proletariat” which is literally just service workers lmao
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 No.465002

>>439493
You're just a fascist retard.
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 No.465005

>>465002
>My mom is fashist because she won't bring me pizza bites


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 No.464540[Reply]

What if I told you that capitalism being superceded by another mode of production is inevitable, and hence it's only the finer details of culture, politics, and social issues that are actually up for debate.
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 No.464972

>>464922
>Yes, when you don't count the unemployed people who are not filing for benefits for one reason or another and you call the people who were forced out of work and into abject poverty by age and the medical conditions that come with it "retired" and not "unemployed" the sampling is indeed wildly inaccurate.
Why would you include people that can't work or are retired into the potential labor pool. You're just talking out of your ass at this point.
U6 accounts for discouraged workers, and once again you're proven wrong because unemployment dipped lower once again this month.
COVID, much like the black plague before it which ushered in capitalism, is creating a new material paradigm.
I don't know what will ultimately happen but even if capitalism survives this it will not be the same neoliberalism.
The death and retirement of 100s of millions of workers has changed every thing. And we haven't even seen the full breadth of China's COVID death and retirement toll.
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 No.464973

>>464972
>much like the black plague before it which ushered in capitalism
The black death pandemic ended before the end of the 14th century, capitalism took a few hundred more years after that to arise.
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 No.464974

>>464973
It destroyed feudal economic relations none the less, paving the way for capitalism.
The golden era of the labor movement came right after WWII for the same reasons, mass deaths of proles. Neoliberalism's refusal to enact a comprehensive welfare state to stop the pandemic is having the same effect.
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 No.464975

>>464974
>The golden era of the labor movement came right after WWII for the same reasons
In which country? This certainly wasn't true in the United States, the golden era of organized labor was before WWII. After the war a massive crackdown on leftist union organizers ensued, the Taft-Hartley act was passed, and the remaining union organizers made a Faustian bargain with the Democrats that destroyed their own ability to organize.
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 No.464983

>>464975
You uyghhers fight over the most retarded and mundane shit


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