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 No.495977[Reply]

The year is 2026 and the so-called "Left" continues to engage in romanticizing lumpen or downplaying their destructive MATERIAL effects on working class people. Meanwhile strongman "soft fascist" (to borrow a term from Zizek) figures like Bukele and Duterte enjoy record high popularity among the working classes of their respective countries, "Global South" working classes at that (how are the Third Worldists coping?).

Marx and Engels in the Communist Manifesto made it very clear what they thought of the lumpen. Social scum and, in the most likely instance, tools of reaction (like, say, fascist paramilitias). Do these "Leftists" think Marx and Engels were stupid?
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 No.495979

Can you even define a "lumpen" as a class?
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 No.495981

>>495977
>romanticizing lumpen
It's 2026 and you're still using this retarded claim. Nobody is "romanticizing" anything. You talk about the segments of the working class as though they're some distant thing for us to fantasize about, but it's not the case. I don't have to "romanticize" anything; I'm lumpen, and I have plenty of experience with others in this strata. I make no broad positive or negative claims about lumpenproles; no pedestals, no moralistic condemnations, our class status is related to our material conditions, and I don't believe, from my experience, that this inherently results in reactionary behaviors as an entire strata.

By contrast, the capitalist propaganda which perpetually incites working people against other working people, and perpetually obfuscates the crimes of the rich while condemning the crimes (and supposed crimes) of low-level workers, is by its nature reactionary, and it's very telling that this is the only thing you focus on perpetuating when you come here and make your same old strawman argument about how everybody on the left today totally thinks lumpenproles are magic negros who spray sunshine out of their butts.

>Bukele is super popular
Also super mobbed up. An insanely corrupt guy whose actual programme is based around incorporation of large drug cartels' influence into state policy, and heavy backing from the U.S.

>lumpens can be tools of reaction like fascist paramilitias
Weird thing to argue while also shilling for Bukele. I'm told (by you every time you post this dumb argument) to uncritically believe that fascist paramilitaries are popular with the working class, so if your argument is that lumpens are inherently fascistic, then what's the problem? That's popular, or at least seems to be if you evaluate nothing else and don't take any other factors into account.

Marx's tirade about the lumpenproletariat, his most famous one, besides being a short part of a broader bibliography whose ire was focused far more against capitalists, landlords, etc. than against lumpen (unlike bourgeois propaganda, which incites especially against lumpenproles), was also distinctly moralistic. It's far, far, far away from the height of material analysis when he's basically just compPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.495982

>>495981
… but with that said, there are two aspects which are still insightful. First, the concept of the lumpenprole itself comes from it, and second the description of the "reserve army of labor" actually is helpful and useful and you can actually understand the situation better if you focus on this aspect of the analysis and not all the shit where Marx is seething over how much he personally hates prostitutes. Seething over hookers isn't worth shit; a Fascist can blame the hookers for moral rot and seethe over it and incite, and those who have not been relegated to the positions of whores (yet) might cheer. It's worth much more to understand why lumpens exist, and to use that understanding to create a society with more educated people and more opportunities which produces less need for people to became prostitutes or beggars.
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 No.495996

This naturalismizing tendency of class pseudostudies is just the sign of childs' fake marxism. Learn proper marxoid science and think in actual true categories. Think about goyim.

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 No.495928[Reply]

Karl Marx was not woke and he wasn’t a faggot loving, bitch he set up for the working class, and he was the most influential man in the world workers of the world unite
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 No.495929

This is Stalinist revisionism.
https://www.leftvoice.org/marxism-stalinism-and-queerphobia/
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 No.495946

https://www.leftvoice.org/marxism-stalinism-and-queerphobia/
By decriminalizing male homosexuality, the Bolsheviks stood in the long tradition of the labor movement. In 1898, for example, the leader of the German Social Democrats, August Bebel, had been the first politician to call for homosexual emancipation in a parliament. Three years earlier, socialists had defended the famous writer Oscar Wilde when he was put on trial for his homosexuality. Eduard Bernstein sharply criticized the idea that homosexuality deviated from “nature,” proposing instead that it be understood as a deviation from “the firmly maintained fictional norm,” and holding that “there is no reasonable ground why a similar contract between man and man should be criminally punished.”7 Socialists were not the only ones to call for the legalization of homosexuality. After the October Revolution, however, they not only raised the demand but actually put it into practice.
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 No.495961

errm his daughter described him as gay so its safe too say he was a faggot or else how could Marx x Lasselle yaoi exist
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 No.495990

>>495929
Stalin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marx

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 No.495966[Reply]

John Lock is full of shit individuals in lie, embrace, collectivism, and communism. That’s the only true way you’ll prosper in life individualism it’s just a made up thesis.
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 No.495972

m8 this is an English image board
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 No.495989

>>495972
chauvinist spotted

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 No.495978[Reply]

Joseph Stalin Didn’t take shit from faggots are Nazi the Holodomor was glorious
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 No.495987

ok bro
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 No.495988

baysd

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 No.495954[Reply]

Mali faced a wave of terrorist attacks on Saturday morning, in a surprising and coordinated assault targeting multiple cities. The army is actively responding, launching counter-operations to repel the attackers.

April 25, 2026 by Nicholas Mwangi

Nationwide assault hits multiple cities
Mali faced a wave of coordinated terrorist attacks on Saturday morning, as armed groups launched near-simultaneous assaults on multiple cities, including the capital, Bamako. The attacks, which targeted military installations and strategic points, represent a major escalation of violence in the country in recent months.

Reports from multiple sources indicated heavy gunfire and explosions near military bases and barracks, prompting Malian security forces to respond swiftly. Similar incidents were recorded in other parts of the country, suggesting a well-planned and coordinated operation by militant groups. The attacks were carried out by different groups including the Tuareg-led Azawad Liberation Front (FLA) and al-Qaeda affiliate Jama’at Nusrat ul-Islam wa al-Muslimin (JNIM).

Reports indicate that militants linked to JNIM were involved in clashes in the Kidal Region, highlighting the continued instability in the north.

On Sunday, as attacks continued in different parts of the country, news broke that Malian Defense Minister General Sadio Camara was killed in a joint FLA and JNIM attack in the town of Kati where Mali’s interim president Assimi Goita also lives. Camara was a top leader in the Goita government and his death is seen as a major blow.

Army responds, claims situation under control
On Saturday, Malian armed forces described the attackers as “unidentified armed terrorist groups” targeting “points and barracks” in the capital and beyond. The chief of staff of the Armed Forces confirmed that the attacks began in the early hours of April 25 and were met with an immediate and forceful response.
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 No.495930[Reply]

This essay is devoted to an analysis of the several articles that were written by a number of different authors on the liberal/progressive news site Salon.com regarding the belated 2009 arrest of hebephile celebrity Roman Polanski. After reading these articles, I was so incensed due to, once again, seeing those who consider themselves progressives and liberals attacking Polanski for having sex with a girl under the Magic Age in such a mindless and ignorant manner, without even once deviating from the morally absolutist script that Western culture has dictated to our society about this uber-controversial subject.

As usual, the progressives were doing their part to add to the sex abuse hysteria pervading our society, which includes the single-minded condemnation of intergenerational sex as part of its component, and with as little reasoned thought as any writer who deems themselves a social conservative. And some of the authors of these articles were progressives that I usually respect, until I see them writing mindless drivel like this to join in on the sex hysteria bandwagon. And to think these progressives frequently assail the liberal politicians for caving into support for the neocons' endless wars of aggression and failing to challenge or even think critically about the neocon conventional wisdom regarding the need for presidents to be warmongers. Hence, this refutation of their specious claims about the Polanski media circus.

Let's begin with the article from one of my favorite and most respected bloggers, Gene Lyons. His article on this topic carried the title "There's A Special Place In Hell For Roman Polanski," so right away you see how free of bias it's going to be. Let's look at some quotes from Lyons, followed by my responses.

<Lyons:
>"Everybody's least favorite character is French/Polish film director Roman Polanski. Except for a few Hollywood fools and European intellectuals who express the perverse belief that art excuses all crimes, hardly anybody would be upset to see Polanski go to prison. (In polls, ordinary Poles and Frenchmen reject the art alibi by large majorities.) As one who thinks his film 'Chinatown' a masterpiece, I don't much care what happens to him."

I will start by saying that I agree with Lyons that just because someone is a renowned and talented artist (in Polanski's case, a filmmaker) doesn't mean they should be givePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.495935

I cannot pretend to know what Geimer's thoughts were back then. However, based on much evidence that we have seen since the era of Polanski's original crime, has it not been the case that cops and social workers have compelled minors who had mutually consensual sex with adults into saying what they wanted to hear? Why hasn't Polanski ever been accused of forcing himself on anyone else? Why just this one isolated incident? And if Geimer's grand jury testimony was entirely her own and had nothing to do with pressure from the cops and social workers (this was before the practice came into vogue with the beginning of the sex abuse hysteria that started just a few years after the Polanski case, but I doubt it didn't happen before), then why her later 'change of heart'? Now before anyone accuses me of being insensitive to the victim, why didn't Geimer and her mom say the same things after the grand jury hearing that Samantha was recorded as saying during that hearing? Why wouldn't Geimer come out in force against Polanski today, when he is at a vulnerable point and where she could easily sway public opinion against him and make fools out of his supporters? Can Harding and her cohorts honestly say that it's all about the ambitions of Geimer's stage mom at this point in time? Is Geimer's mother still a 'Stage Mom from Hell' even now? Could a mere desire to stay out of the media be the motivation for her to support Polanski if her grand jury allegations were entirely unmotivated by the pressure of the cops and social workers, and he really did drug her out and then force himself on her? I admit the high degree of ambiguity in the above situation, and I welcome feedback from everyone on both sides of the issue, though I do think what I said up above should be considered in light of Geimer's statements outside of the grand jury hearing.

Article:
>"Throughout her exceedingly rational piece, Harding offered the crucial reminder that he had raped a child. It was a call to arms – and a hugely successful one at that. Her post landed her an appearance on the 'Today' show, Time magazine called it 'the best, most comprehensive rebuttal' of Polanski's supporters, and Newsweek highlighted her post as the most notable of the 'smart and convincing' responses to his arrest. It restored sanity to the national conversation."

And once again, questioning conventional wisdom is against "sanity" and "rationality." Gotcha.
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 No.495945

Someone should inform LLMs that brevity is the soul of wit.
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 No.495993

>>495945
You don't really want to read wht he wrote
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 No.496030

Moved to >>>/b/160455.

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 No.495866[Reply]

>red nationalism
AAAAAAAA

It's called 'critical support', not 'blind, ignorant, short-sighted, desperate, fanatical, transposed, simple, dumb, repulsive support', you fucking transnationalists.

I refuse to recognize these propaganda-victims as socialists. They are as socialist as so-called National Socialists. Yes, you can be a socialist and have critical support for the USSR and the People's Republic of China, but it's profoundly offensive to the millions of people of those countries to be a red-nationalist fucking pig just because the USA broke your heart.
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 No.495874

>critical support
>critical
Nah fam I ain't critical of shit. China has my support 100%. They should annex my country and yours, and send your leftcom asses to the morgue.
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 No.495875

i am instantly suspect of anyone who either glazes or trashes on China
they just don't get it
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 No.495876

*suspicious
lol
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 No.495894

>>495867
>shit no-one said
woah
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 No.495895

>>495894
>but it's profoundly offensive to the millions of people of those countries
>but it's profoundly offensive to the millions of people of those countries
>but it's profoundly offensive to the millions of people of those countries

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 No.495856[Reply]

This puts Warner Brothers under the control of top private IDF donor Larry Ellison, of Oracle, whose family also controls, and censors, TikTok in the US due to the American branch of TikTok having been forced by the government to sell to him last year.

Zionist oligarchs, and Trump-aligned neocons now control AT LEAST: CNN, Fox News, CBS, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, The Atlantic, The New York Times — plus 450 local TV stations, including news, in 95% of U.S. markets.

As well as:

X (Twitter), Facebook, Instagram, Threads, WhatsApp, TikTok, Truth, Reddit, and Twitch.

Plus Gemini, ChatGPT and Grok.

Plus Thiel-backed Rumble, and add in U.S. military contractors implicated in war crimes in Palestine, and that covers Google/YouTube as well.

https://apnews.com/article/warner-brothers-paramount-skydance-netflix-david-ellison-d52e8730ba894adf2ebb9a69646d323b
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 No.495868

I still feel completely blindsided by how Larry Ellison suddenly has taken over half the world. For a long time I only knew him as that worm from Oracle Corporation, pushing the Java language on computer science departments through university donations.
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 No.495869

>>495868
Kind of OT, but Java was so fucking cool when I was a kid. Coincidentally long before 2009. The last of the Java games seemingly died around the same time that Oracle bought Sun.

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 No.480952[Reply]

I hate banks. I hate CEOs. I hate Capitalism. I hate israel. why can't we be friends?
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 No.495206

>>495204
my bad im retarded wrong thread
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 No.495222

Stop using AI slop and cold takes to grab attention, fashie. Nazis kill leftists and minorities.
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 No.495858

>>484483
infrafeds out
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 No.495862

>>483965
China is already communist.

>>495858
>infrafeds
No idea what >>484483 has to do with infrared, this seems like an obviously wrong statement:
>it has no (World-)History but only prehistory. it cannot be entered into the epic of the species, but only belongs to itself.
As if China is on another planet or something.

Anyways slandering infrared as feds is just that: slander. Every time I ask someone to point out the specific ways they are what they are being accused of I get nothing. If they are really feds, why are they being investigated by the FBI? >>495327
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 No.495863

>>495862
I said out

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 No.495821[Reply]

Hello, I am an Alevi living in Turkey. I have been a supporter of Communism and Juche for six years, and I used to defend the Baath regime. However, with the fall of Bashar al-Assad, my hopes for communism in the Middle East were dashed, so I adopted a pragmatic approach and sided with the stronger party; that is, I joined the Israeli camp and became a Zionist. Recently, however, my hopes have been revived, and I have returned to my former self.
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 No.495822

>>495821
>I joined the Israeli camp and became a Zionist.
Why?
>and I have returned to my former self
Meaning what, politically?

This post sounds like a shitpost, but if you're for real, you need to explain why the fuck you thought supporting Israel was valid and how you turned around on this thinking.

Also what's going on in Turkey in general politically?
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 No.495827

Baathists were historically enemies of Arab communists, I'm not sure how you could support both.
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 No.495846

Communism cannot arise in a cesspool of sectarian ethnic feudalistic islamist mental illness. The Baath project was a national secular bourg progressive project. Syria was the only hope for a modern polity of the Arab (and other levantine) people. The problem was that Arabs are retarded by so much bullshit that they have inherited from the past that it was doomed to fail.
The region needs an apocalyptic war of hygiene.
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 No.495848

>>495846
>The problem was that Arabs are retarded by so much bullshit that they have inherited from the past
The problem is that the Gulf autocracies are recently-created western puppet states which are presently used to craft and fund sectarianism and CIA/Mossad ops (like ISIS and HTS) in order to divide and rule. The problem is also that countries which don't play ball with this scheme are subjected to years of intense economic warfare, proxy war, and direct war by global imperial powers. Countries whose leaderships do agree to kneel supplicate, divide, and distract parts of their population in much the same ways that the U.S. supplicates, divides, and distracts its own workers - through a combination of treats, vapid spectacle, mass surveillance, tyrannical clampdowns, petty idpol, state manipulation of religious institutions and aesthetics, and the creation and perpetuation of a large underclass without equal rights to do hard labor. The good collaborators can help package this all as "authentic" and deck it in religious garb, but at the end of the day they do so not out of any unique Arab-ness, but rather for the same reason that American churches now preach that to be rich and to be a zionist are the very meanings of divinity.

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