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 No.480458[Reply]

We are Leftypedia, a socialist and left-wing online encyclopedia.

If you’re a leftist of any kind or considering becoming one, you’ve probably found truthful information about socialist ideologies and movements from websites like Wikipedia lacking at best.

These days, genuine leftist ideology can be hard to get into and learn about, between the toxic culture that dominates online leftist spaces and the many issues faced by even offline socialist organizations. Reading theory-dense works from Marx can be hard at first, and the easily-accessible guides targeted at beginners often don’t even understand the work their talking about themselves!

So, what’s the solution?

A dedicated socialist resource, like Leftypedia.

We aspire for new leftists to be given an environment where original discourse is encouraged on top of sourced and informative encyclopedic articles

Since our beginning in 2019, we have hundreds of articles, dozens of editors, and a growing community and base of content.

We’re well on our way of reaching our goals, and welcome any leftist or incoming-leftist to view and editor our articles, carry out original discourse, and so on!
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 No.480474

I said it before and I'll say it again: what have you done to correct Wikipedia's and other wikis' fundamentally flawed self-governance structure? How are you going to avoid eventually become another embarrassing rationalwiki or conservapedia?
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 No.481845

>>480474
they kept everyone from editing recently and now moderate every edit

they also mass import Wikipedia content, use Wikipedia rules to disqualify content, and more or less just want to make an extension of Wikipedia

They also are a result of a prior failed leftypedia and are just borrowing server space as they say they have no interest in being a leftypol wiki

think it's run by a couple prolewiki people
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 No.481864

>>481845
So how do you do a collective knowledge repository thing correctly ?
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 No.481865

>>481845
>>481864
I wanna know too
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 No.481866

>>481845
what a conspiracy theory, mark

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 No.481695[Reply]

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=Z7n6kl-tLjY

Assange wins his appeal against extradition
But he's not out of the woods yet.
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 No.481836

>>481829
If Assange dies, he becomes a martyr, Journalism-Jesus.

>they seemed to be trying to kill him indirectly through mistreatment.
Yeah the neocons got away with this because they used to be competent managers of empire.
But their cold war 2.0 project will likely flop hard, and that means they'll get the torture privileges revoked.
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 No.481838

>>481829
I don't think there's any desire to kill him anymore. They're accomplishing their goal just fine torturing him for the rest of his life. It sends the same chilling message to would-be whistleblowers and journalists.
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 No.481851

>>481838
Absolute monarchs used to torture their critics too, it did not help them stay in power. They might have traded embarrassment of whistleblower revelations for something much worse. The concept of making the state compliant to criticism wasn't a naive aspirational virtue, it was a shrewd strategical adaptation after absolute monarchies broke down. What they have done is preserve the position of some careerists at the expense of institutional integrity.

People who are competent and want to get stuff done, seek out organizations that are benevolent and likely to illicit voluntary cooperation from others. Malevolent organizations are sought by bullies that want to get away with bullying.

Assange was very mindful to not release information that could do serious damage, by exercising revenge, they may have incentivized the next guy to do as much damage as possible as to destroy the ability to take revenge. Keep in mind that they did send a message, but it wasn't interpreted uniformly. Intimidation may elicit compliance by some, but to others it signals weakness.

Investigative journalism was never a detriment to state-power. It kept the base and the superstructure in alignment, damaging journalism was foolish and bad statecraft.

Like when Blinken blamed social media and implies
<when we controlled the media we could do genocide in peace.
He doesn't seem to understand the causal connection. People turned away from mainstream media first in order for alternatives to become possible. If they hadn't gone down the drain, people wouldn't have tuned out.
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 No.481855

>>481851
>Assange was very mindful to not release information that could do serious damage
Here's what actually happened with the Iraq War Logs: Assange was up for several days redacting before release to avoid information that might get informants killed, and then some worms at The Guardian published a book with the password to the unredacted files. This prompted Cryptome (which doesn't believe in redacting leaks) to release the entire set of files unredacted, to which Wikileaks responded by removing the (now pointless) redactions on their own releases. That's only the story for the Iraq War Logs. I'm not aware of any redaction done to later Wikileaks releases, and you better believe the Vault7 leaks were damaging as fuck to the CIA. It's what prompted them to plot assassination and eventually forced Assange out of the embassy.
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 No.481856

>>481855
>Assange was up for several days redacting before release to avoid information that might get informants killed.
So even if shit got out later, Assange clearly acted in good faith.

>and you better believe the Vault7 leaks were damaging as fuck to the CIA.
Idk, a public release is far from the worst scenario. The CIA gets to see that too and realize what's compromised, and likely react fast enough to do a lot of damage controle. If somebody wanted to inflict more damage they would release the information that compromises operational security to the CIA's opponents but not the public.

>It's what prompted them to plot assassination and eventually forced Assange out of the embassy.
IMHO going after Assange was not rational, it confirmed the accuracy of the information, the rational thing to do was to deny that the released information was authentic. As a spy agency the best thing is secrecy, the second best thing is ambiguity.

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 No.480073[Reply]

What made old /leftypol/ good?

Pull examples from the archives, the booru, wherever and whatever. Hell, even just tell a story.

Was it the PDFs? Was it the artists making memes? Was it people's willingness to repost them? Was it the raids and antics? Was it the people who brought esoteric niche history and theory to light? Was it the crazy Trump election drama and racial uprisings in the US? Was it the proximity to all kinds of communities, with all of 8ch coming in to give their shit opinions and getting dogpilled into submission?
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 No.481067

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>>480073
>What made old /leftypol/ good?
not being an anal echo-chamber where unaccountable leftoid jannoid cliques run amok

being a part of the wider 8chan community, having a higher authority at least with some pretense of neutrality, that could reign jannoids in in case they go nuclear

userbase won by pitting leftoid jannoids against 8chan administartion, by them constantly being at each others throats

the moment jannoid bitches conspired (as they always do) to forcefully move the userbase to their controlled echo-chamber, I saw the writing on the wall

I saw everything in that moment, all the shit jannoid drama, all the cringe, all the splits

I predicted EXACTLY what would happen

I wish 8chan was still alive. 8chan was what made leftypol so great. If 8chan didn't go down, jannoids would've failed, and bunkerchan would've remained a barren wasteland that nobody cares about.
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 No.481068

>>480088
fucking vanguardoid conspiratoid bitch

first as tragedy (Soviet Union), then as farce (leftypol)
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 No.481080

>>481067
You're a fucking retard bro
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 No.481083

>>481080
nah, I'm actually very smart
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 No.481830

>>480073
no chan was ever that great

but old leftypol was better because there were OC memes that weren't cringe

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 No.481507[Reply]

Do you fags realize that one of top reasons that Americans are afraid to even entertain the idea of a revolution, is that they think the people would have to fight against "modern weapons that the military and police would have"?

I mean regardless of whether or not you agree with that argument, the average amerifat thinks that if there's an uprising, the people would have to fight picrel.

What do you have to say to those people?
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 No.481768

>>481765
In theory, sure. My belief is that, in practice, neoliberalism is effectively a sneaky way of reintroducing fascism. It's only "small government" in rhetoric, because it inevitably reaches the same contradiction that ancap does: large-scale corporate capitalism, rentierism, etc. rely entirely on a state to define & protect certain property rights & monopolies against those who are harmed by these things. Neoliberalism is when the state does the work to define and protect the rights of capitalists, but removes checks from corporate power and sells off infrastructure which was publicly funded, and then, in practice, socializes the damage with a kind of periodic mock-Keynesian crisis capitalism. This inevitably was paired with massive union busting, because there isn't any other way to actually achieve this - the state is absolutely necessary in all this, and it plainly used its power to enrich and favor one group while suppressing another.

While this didn't generate fascist conditions (in first world countries) immediately, it's inevitably crept towards that. Privatizing the organs of state, while they still essentially operate as organs of state, essentially just functions to remove them from democratic accountability. It was only about 20-something years after the rise of neoliberalism in America that the same country was passing the PATRIOT Act, and now we're at a point where even many of the modern, socially liberal rights which existed back then have actually been scaled back.

I think, and maybe I'm mistaken, that a lot of the neoliberal "thinkers" probably don't believe the shit they say to make it sound palatable. Even early proponents of capitalism understood that corporate power would act like states' power if unchecked.
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 No.481779

>>481765
QUICK SHUT IT DOWN STEER BACK TO APPROVED HARBARA NARRATIVES!

>>481758
Fascism implied a level of cooperation and lack of division that the coming setup no longer needs nor wants. Basically, everyone who wanted fascism would be told that the only way to the "light" is to embrace what appears to be fascist ideology, and it will be switched out with this new thing - and has been. The Rightoid has already been primed to accept anything, any self-abasement. Trump and the Eurotrash Right are proof of how retarded they are.

The fascist idea was purely about running into the ground any country's institutions and replacing them with screaming faggotry. What they're bringing in is the result of fascism not really being answered in the past 100 years, except by people fighting for their lives and refusing to die any more. The fascist ideas were rehabilitated after they became so unpopular that overt fascism in most of the world would have led to the rulers and their front groups being lynched. The true believers got to work as soon as the war ended, but it wasn't until the 1960s that it started to "work" - almost entirely on people who were too young to remember the war and what it really was. A law against serious discussion about the war events produced enough chilling effect in the academy, all of whom were exempt from the death cull that the world wars brought - just as they planned for the world. They laugh at you for lying to yourself about what fascism was. Laugh at you. Laugh at anyone who believes in this fag pablum sold to them, because they've been too afraid to even name their enemies, too eager to lick boot. Fags, pure fags.

>>481768
Why do you believe there is such a thing as "small government"? The very idea of capitalism will tell you the state and commanding heights will regulate economic life for the first time, in a way that was not known in the past nor workable. The idea that the government would be small is tripe sold to the dumber of the proprietors with a wink that they'll keep getting payola as their rivals are killed first for not being Nazi enough. There's some more fags for you, the "small government" cult thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.481780

If you look at the actually non-retarded neolibearals, they are not under any illusion that their government is small. They stripped down bureaucratic largesse and replaced it with private, imperial largesse, because one liability of the liberal order was its reliance on very large bureaucracies to maintain private property in a world where the conditions of socialism were met and became too obvious. So much wealth and effort was spent destroying anything that worked, because they simply did not want the people to live, and would pay exorbitant energy to uphold elitism - an elite that long ago ceased to have any justification, that has grown more incompetent at actually doing anything. They only need to poison the people faster than they succumb to their own crapulence, and that is the "safe" and "smart" strategy for elites. Aristocracies go far out of their way to not produce anything as a rule, because this puts them in a situation where they will have to keep producing and find a way to destroy any product so it doesn't reach the hands of commoners. Any product or value aristocracy wants is little more than the value of human suffering itself. Its chief commodities are opium, pornography, and all forms of rot that accelerate the death rate. That IS value now. That is what will replace capitalism, what will replace the remnants of the liberal order, and already has to a large extent. There is no "off button" for this. We're locked into it for at least 40 years, probably 50.
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 No.481781

>>481779
>A law against serious discussion about the war events produced enough chilling effect in the academy
Interesting, elaborate?
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 No.481787

>>481765
>neoliberalism is absolutely not to be conflated with fascism.
There are similarities tho, like both fascists and neoliberals steal from the public via privatization. They both serve the most reactionary chauvinistic imperial finance bourgoisie.

>fascism on the other hand is bringing a state in to resuscitate a domestic economy by forcefully suppressing revolutionary fervor and workers' movements.
Marget thatcher ordered death squats to break up miners strikes so…

Fascism distinguishes it self by committing national suicide on behalf of capital. That certainly is what Nazi Germany did in ww2.

>Neoliberalism at its core is about getting the government out of the way of capitalists so that idealized market forces can allow the formation of monopolies
Some neo-liberals are genuine free marketeers, but many neo-libs are not principled, they just side with monopolies, they toot the free market when it benefits monopolies, but they will seek government intervention to uphold monopolies when the market forces don't go their way.

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 No.481621[Reply]

From a current unrest happening in Georgia, never mind the local politics, no idea what that is about, just examine the bribery controle mechanisms

>Foreign aid agencies and their local NGO contractors have long colonized most areas of public policy and services—education, healthcare, court reform, rural development, infrastructure, etc.

>The Georgian NGOs that are given grants to implement this work may be local, but they hold considerable power over the Georgian population. This power comes from their access to Western embassies and resources and the legitimacy this conveys rather than from grassroots support. In a functional democracy, the people elect lawmakers and the executive to serve them and represent their interests. In Georgia, unelected NGOs get their mandate from international bodies, which draw up and pay for to-do lists of policy reforms for Georgia. Local NGOs lack an incentive to consider the impact of the projects they implement because they are not accountable to the citizens in whose lives they play such an intrusive role.

>In this ecosystem, it is rare to find someone who genuinely cares about people and their well-being. The local NGO landscape is a deeply competitive sector that incentivizes sharp elbows, self-promotion, and duplication rather than collaboration, let alone solidarity. For many industry professionals, working in an NGO is a fast track to high incomes, perks like foreign travel and embassy receptions, and being part of the elite.
https://lefteast.org/unrest-georgia-foreign-influence-transparency-law/

This sounds very complicated, don't focus on the technical terminology like NGO, it's a word that just means an organization of people, and it's not what this is about. I'm sure there's lots of NGOs that do good.

The underlying thing is just a mechanism of gaining controle via bribes, that stuff is ancient and doesn't care about political forms.

I always wondered why people aren't gaming the bribe mechanism ?
Like take the bribes and use it for something else.
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 No.481722

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>>481621
Bribery is just a special service sector in the system for its' actors of high enough position. Bribery is needed when the organisation of any kind 4 1 reason or another doesn't have the particular ways 2 do some unconventional business deals.
So until there is any organisation, there would be so-called corruption (= dealing around the established system), due to the inherent inefficiencies of an organisation as a concept. You cannot build an all-transaction encompassing system of relations due to the added complexity load after each solved way of dealing.
>Like take the bribes and use it for something else.
Unironically you will get wiped out 4 actual corruption of the system by your fellow org agents if you would ever behave this way. Standing in the way of doing actually needed business is declaring death sentence to its efficiency, & the org will defend itself against such rogueness. That's why in any actual elite circle there's a requierement for openly doing something dirty as a proof of your nature, & the need 2 keep your conforming behaviour consistent.
So do resort to trying to bribe officials only in the worst case scenarios since by helping you these agents undermine their own systemic position even if they will reciprocate your needs.
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 No.481723

>>481722
So, again, the bourg-popularized meme about le badness of le "corruption" is built on the presupposition of a need in keeping the system working in a certain, defined way.
But you don't even need 2 be a marxoid 2 notice that a system never xists by itself, 4 itself. No, it xists 4 driving specific interests. Hence, whenever a system is, inevitably, unable to provide a framework for conducting a particular action for satisfying certain class interests, this entire system or just some of its subsystems get ignored in conveying that deal in question.
Hence, in trying to only allow deals that adhere to an xisting system for the sake of preserving all business defined in a certain way you serve not the class interests for which this system xists, but the system itself, which is a grave fetishistic mistake.
Hence, by trying to actually "fight the corruption" you, "ironically" fight the reason this system xists in the 1st place, & that will get you removed from it, for corruption of satisfaction of class interests.

fuk im so fukd up rn imout i hope you got it or smth
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 No.481724

>>481723
Ah yeah, the dealing system ofc gets fine-tuned, refactored, reformed & xtended all the time still in the constant pursuit of optimization of dealing by standardizing & accounting it if it makes practical sense, but again, you can only go so far until it just becomes impossible to maintain & it fucking implodes upon itself, falls apart & dies in a revolutionary fire.
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 No.481727

>>481722
>Bribery is just a special service sector
<It's not a bribe it's a " "special service" "
lol

>for its' actors of high enough position.
I don't get it people in high positions get payed higher salaries. If that's not enough to dissuade people from taking bribes, it's kind of a waste.

>Bribery is needed when the organisation of any kind 4 1 reason or another doesn't have the particular ways 2 do some unconventional business deals.
I don't know what that means

>So until there is any organisation, there would be so-called corruption (= dealing around the established system), due to the inherent inefficiencies of an organisation as a concept.
<corruption makes the system more efficient
thunderous laughter

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 No.481728

>>481723
>>481724
Yeah those posts make more sense. Hope you'll get better.

I doubt that making corruption go away will end capitalism. Maybe some bits of it go away, but yeah it's not gonna be that easy.

 No.469787[Reply]

New Global Capitalism update
Sempai talks about how the world is moving on from the US dollar.

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=WcI4XQA5nzA

EVERYBODY GET IN HERE
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 No.469817

>>469806
That's a strawman. I never said it was forever I said it wasn't yet.
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 No.469818

>>469804
Propoganda doesn't mean incorrect
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 No.481446

HE'S BACK
Wolff-sempai critiques capitalism from Marx in celebration of his birthday:
https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=HBLJ7UAqXSo
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 No.481711

*The End of Financial Colonialism | Richard D. Wolff and Michael Hudson*

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=I6eq1mIXIAA
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 No.481712

>>481711
Love seeing these two together, and this guy is such a great interviewer. He always asks really good questions of his guests and it surprises me that he isn't more popular.

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 No.481624[Reply]

President Raisi’s helicopter crashes in Iran: What we know so far
A helicopter carrying Iran’s President Ebrahim Raisi and the foreign minister crashed while travelling back from East Azerbaijan.

The world is watching as Iran mobilises emergency crews to search for President Ebrahim Raisi, whose helicopter – which was travelling in a convoy – went down in a remote area near Jolfa in Iran’s East Azerbaijan province.

He was returning from Iran’s border with Azerbaijan, where he and the Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev had inaugurated a cooperative dam project, the latest sign of warming relations between the two countries. Twenty rescue teams and drones have been sent to the area where the helicopter came down.

Information is slowly emerging on this incident, but here is what we know so far.

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Travelling with Ebrahim Raisi were Iran’s Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, Iran’s East Azerbaijan Province Governor Malek Rahmati, and Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Ale-Hashem, the representative of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei to East Azerbaijan, according to state media.

Did all three helicopters disappear?
No, two of the three helicopters in the president’s convoy made it back safely to the city of Tabriz.
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 No.481633

>>481627
Iran is a large country, and the heli went down in a mountainous region, so that is not particularly surprising. What is surprising however is that they apparently didn't pack a satellite phone. Or at least a beacon.

>>481628
Nah the Israeli likely don't have that capability.
The last time one of their Generals was assassinated, it was the US, and the Iranians retaliated by wrecking a few US military bases. They certainly aren't shy. In the extremely unlikely event that Israel tried to take out political leaders in Iran, it would be open hunting season on Iran-unfriendly Israeli political leadership. Unless we see Israeli figureheads dropping like flies, we can assume they weren't involved in this. Atm. it looks like malfunctioning equipment.

>>481630
Politics would be a lot more fun if they were.
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 No.481635

>>481624
Minor correction, East Azerbaijan is part of Iran. It's near Azerbaijan, but it's not actually Azerbaijanian territory.
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 No.481636

>>481626
I think it looks very suspicious myself. You know, 2-out-of-3 of the helicopters seem to have done fine, it's just the one with the president and foreign minister which went down.

Azerbaijan has also had close relations with Israel from what I understand, and this trip was supposed to be a sign of warming relations between Azerbaijan and Iran. It's not impossible that there was an act of sabotage performed by someone within the Azerbaijanian government.
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 No.481638

Confirmed dead.
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 No.481646

>>481636
>It's not impossible that there was an act of sabotage performed by someone within the Azerbaijanian government.
What you are saying makes sense but, lets hope it's not true, because the guy is dead, and we want countries to have warming relations.

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 No.456057[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Let's get a general thread about FIRE (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate). Include topics about crypto as well.
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 No.481541

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>>481540
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 No.481542

>>481541
it is happening again
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 No.481560

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GameStop trading at $71 a share. Up from $10 two weeks ago.
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 No.481612

>>481560
What do you reckon this is ?
Speculators playing around ?

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 No.469701[Reply]

I'm trying to find a scale to measure the "power tug". I'm analyzing the recent conflict in Ukraine in order to do that:

<The imperial bourgeoisie in the US won Round 1 in the ukro-war, because they managed to manufacture a war right on Russia's door-step that Russia didn't want and failed to prevent.

<The Russian Federation however won Round 2, they proved that Russia still is a super power that can destroy a sizable country without major consequences to it self, and that the US can neither cripple their economy via econ-war, nor exhaust their military resources via proxy-war.
Ukraine is now more or less a destroyed country, that's what loosing a war means, Russia basically is undamaged (bar a few scuffs in some border towns) just in case anybody is confused.

<The US has, on balance, lost this geopolitical battle because it did not achieve it's primary goal of imposing another 1990s neo-liberal shock doctrine on Russia or outright balkanizing the Russian federation into subservient ethno-nationalist vassal-states.

<However the US still has to be considered more powerful because Russia wasn't able to frustrate US attempts at manufacturing this war.
If you're a glowy or a nato-media-brain and want to complain about my framing of the Ukraine war please do so in the Ukraine thread

If we apply this scale for the next power tug in Asia.

The question becomes whether China is powerful enough to frustrate US attempts at creating a Taiwan-war with a similar pattern. China is certainly more powerful than Russia, but is it powerful enough ?
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 No.480818

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Who would win ?
China's carrot or the US's stick ?
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 No.480820

>>480818
lol get people to abandon the US even faster. based comrade trump is doing anti imperialist accelerationist praxis
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 No.481593

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kek the Chinese have a sense of humor
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 No.481602

>>481593
Russia already did this
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 No.481610

>>481602
yes, although the circumstances were slightly different, the neocons went inverted iron curtain with sanctions, banishing western companies from Russia. The Russians technically just took over abandoned businesses.

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A Boeing 737-300, attempting to take off from Blaise Diagne International Airport in Dakar, Senegal, caught fire and skidded off the runway on Wednesday evening. Of the 85 passengers and crew on the Air Sénégal Flight HC301, 10 were injured, including the pilot, according to the Transport Minister El Malick Ndiaye.

All were immediately rushed to a nearby hospital, with four in critical condition.

The flight was operated by TransAir, a regional airline based in Senegal that provides service from Senegal’s capital of Dakar to as far south as Brazzaville, the capital of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. HC301 was headed to Bamako, the capital of Mali.

TransAir’s fleet consists of Embraer ERJ-145, Embraer EMB-120, Beechcraft 1900C jetliners, in addition to the Boeing 737-300. The 737-300 “Classic” is one of Boeing’s oldest operating planes. Its development began in 1979 and first began operations in 1984. The aerospace giant made 1,113 of the planes during its production run, which lasted from 1981-1999.

While no further information has been released from the Senegalese government as to the immediate cause of the fire, it is likely that the sheer age of the aircraft played a role. The 737-300, -400 and -500 aircraft have also some of the company’s most accident-prone designs. Boeing’s own data in a report from September 2023 shows that the aircraft series has suffered 62 “hull losses,” where the plane was unrecoverable, of which 20 resulted in fatalities.

The older 737 models stand alongside the 737 MAX as among the most deadly commercial airplanes currently flown. Two crashes of the 737 MAX-8 in October 2018 and March 2019 killed a combined total of 346 passengers and crew, the direct result of Boeing executives pushing for a new aircraft to bring to market while ignoring numerous known safety issues. To date, no executives or senior leadership have been charged for the deaths.

The same day of the fire in Senegal, another Boeing plane, a 767 model, was forced to land without its landing gear in Istanbul, Turkey. The plane was a freight variant operated by FedEx that was coming from Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport. The pilot reported to air traffic control that the landing gear had not deployed and was instructed to land without them while emergency vehicles stood by.

There were no reported injuries, though the pilot was forced to leave the plane via the cockpit’s window.
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>>481479
Boeing having a bad batch of planes, with a nosedive and crash propensity or unscheduled doors popping off, isn't what's doing the big damage here. The companies that buy those airplanes are rational customers, they'll stop buying those specific problem models, but if Boeing makes a good plane again that'll sell again.

What is doing a lot more damage is the harassed engineers and quality/safety inspectors 2 of which have turned up dead before they could deliver testimony in court. 2 dead witnesses in a row that ain't no coincidence. That's too spooky, everybody's gonna avoid mafia ramshackle airliners.

I wonder what went wrong. My guess would be lucrative military supply contracts causing the neglects of the commercial side, combined with neo-liberal economics.
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>>481481
Probably!
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 No.481494

Haven't they been killing whistleblowers?
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>>481494
Yes almost certainly
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>>481494
Last 6 paragraphs of the article are very relevant.

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