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 No.496667[Reply]

You can’t be a communist and support the AoC. It’s impossible. Why? Let us analyze the question dialectically. To start no communist should be using rhetoric about the Epstein affair other than in a completely self-interested way to delegitimize the system. Why? Because revolution is not a dinner party. It requires red terror. The foundation of the dictatorship of the proletariat is red terror. Red terror must be like the air we breathe. Can you really be angry about the age of consent and Epstein while practicing red terror? It’s only possible while using it as prop to manipulate the most cattle-like normies, the most alternatively petit-bourgeoisied or lumpenized segments of the proletariat. But the limits very soon become apparent. The weepy soccer mom evangelical moralism that leads people to grand emotional outpouring over Epstein’s sexual relations with teens is incompatible with the titanium spine required to practice red terror. Red terror requires hard and ruthless new men who will do anything to destroy the class enemy— this cannot be reconciled with weepy pseudo-Christian moralism that leads he average normie to have psychosexual emotional meltdowns over the fact that some Jewish guy had sex below the magic age line. If you search your heart you know this to be true(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST - No more pedo false flag threads. No more derailing threads with this. Also, you can literally read what Epstein did & who he was, we have a thread about it.)
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 No.496668

It's kind of weird that people downplay the crimes in the Epstein files by trivializing them to "sex with teenagers" which for me doesn't even make it in the top ten worst allegations documented in those files.

Anyway what's red terror and why do we need it?


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 No.496271[Reply]

How do we get westerners to stop using this word? It's nothing more or less than subcultural jargon that creates ingroup feeling and is hyper alienating to normal people. It needs to go. Stop using it! You don't want to be part of any in group that includes DSA members either. pic related - you look like this when you say that, except more gay.
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 No.496605

We should start called each other "Buddy" instead.
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 No.496606

>>496605
I'm not your "buddy", friend.
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 No.496616

We will never stop. Any more than we will stop calling ourselves communists because that scares away the average reactionary.
OP you fall into the category of people that want to police language. This is a tool of control used by the booj to dilute our message and further divide people.
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 No.496636

>>496271
>You don't want to be part of any in group that includes DSA
This is like political correctness for anti-idpol leftists.
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 No.496642

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I mean, I get it this shit can come off as cringe especially when you have never, you know, left your mothers basement, but, oh well. Why doesn't everyone just dress the same and act the same and stop thinking differently in any way shape or capacity while we're at it?


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 No.496433[Reply]

the lgbtq or whatever theyre called are a disgrace to the socialist movements of all the world, theyre capitalistic zionistic inventions to make our movement look like a fucking joke to the average hard working labourers of the whole worl, if it wasnt for those filthy inventions of the liberal satan, we would achieve a large voting and revolutionary base, but instead we achieved whiny little fucks who get offended over anything and everything, and try to spread their degenerate values to the next generation and disgust right wingers who otherwise would be fellow comrades.

Once we get rid of those and many other plagues that affect the modern socialist cause, we will achieve a sucessful socialist state that isnt nazi germany.
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 No.496543

I think the problem you are picking at is the construct of “woke”. The idea of liberals and by extension “their queer allies” complaining and being sensitive is a narrative created by conservatives and the right wing and it has been extremely successful, you are an example. You are falling for right wing propaganda and you are trying to worm these ideas into the left wing.

The true answer lies in destroying the influence of both parties and religion on the common person.

This culture war bullshit disgusts me
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 No.496546

>1) I am not religious
>2) If I reject the idea of the LGBT movement, it is because I have witnessed the damage it causes to revolutionary movements
The main problem I have detected is that members of the lgbt community or their allies are more concerned with winning individual battles than winning the war against the system.
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 No.496547

And by the way, there is no scientific evidence that justifies the "trans nature" or that validates it; A woman is a woman because of natural characteristics that until now no cultural construct or deconstruct can change. Same with men
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 No.496568

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>>496546
>I have witnessed the damage it causes to revolutionary movements
Conflating LGBT with idpol is like conflating women or minorities with idpol. It's just a remnant of right-wing conservative discourse, not a well-thought out position.
>"trans nature"
The fuck are you talking about? Trans people are just born with bodies they don't like, it's not rocket science.
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 No.497261

im happy no one is agreeing with you, faggot


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 No.496525[Reply]

One common stereotype regarding today’s western atheists is that they are predominantly white, male, and from Christian backgrounds, and this demographic profile stands to this day based on the latest polls on the atheist community.

And as pointed out by people like Contrapoints, both the alt-right and the SJWs of the 2010s were products of the New Atheism movement, the bulk of its members being, once again, white males from Christian households.
So this begs the question: Did they leave because the churches weren’t racist enough following the adoption of the civil rights movement’s philosophy by most churches in the 1990s?

As polemical and farfetched as it sounds, I don’t necessarily think it’s improbable given the obvious demographic profile, the fact that the decline in Christianity (in America, Canada, and Australia at least) and rise of sub-cultures were heavily driven by young middle-class white people (especially white men) who left the churches, and that was back when the churches were at least nominally anti-racist following the decline of the white nationalist movement as a significant political bloc in both the north and the new south, as well as the fact that whilst elevatorgate did drive many young white atheist men into further reactionary politics (e.g., the “redpill”, incels, scientific racism, transphobia, etc…) the reactionary streak was there since the beginning as the “four horsemen” used bait-and-switch tactics in their writings to sell the message during the GWOT era: “You don’t need to be a fundamentalist Christian to support another crusade in Iraq”, as well as the universalist civilisational rhetoric. and that was long before the “horsemen” like Harris and Dawkins began to promote a particularist view of the west as it becomes clear that its hegemony is being challenged by nominally non-liberal countries like Russia and China.

There’s also the fact that Christianity in America and elsewhere in what made up old Christendom hasn’t gained any more followers outside of mass immigration as seen how churches across Europe and elsewhere in north America and Australia need to import priests to fill the roles of the clergy as white people there don’t wanna work in churches. While it can be argued that much of it is to do with how Christianity’s universalism is clashing with the increasing particularism of white people who only want Christianity if it affirms white identitarianism, that still wouldn’t support tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.496528

>Contrapoints
>white males are becoming atheists because they're racist
Into the trash it goes.
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 No.496529

>>496526
As far as Europe, Australia and North America are concerned, Christian churches will be faced with this decision as wignat ideology becomes more widespread amongst the white lumpenprole.

>>496528
Is there a lie? I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the bulk of the new atheism movement came from white men from Protestant households, and how the movement developed from the background of the 1990s backlash against evangelical “moral guardians” who preached anti-racism and tradcon ideology, especially since much of it was dominated by neocons whose distinguishing factor was their acceptance of the civil rights’ ethos in contrast to their conservative predecessors.
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 No.496530

>>496525
most black people are christian
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 No.496537

>>496529
>I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the bulk of the new atheism movement came from white men from Protestant households,
So did the bulk of the Christian Identity movement.
So do the bulk of Idaho potatoes.
So did most American bronies.
Most American circus clowns also probably came from the white protestant demographic, did you join the circus because you were racist or did you have a different reason for doing it?
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 No.496555

>>496529
>the movement developed from the background of the 1990s backlash against evangelical “moral guardians” who preached anti-racism and tradcon ideology
I think we were more concerned about tradcons censoring the fuck out of everything than them being "anti-racist" (they weren't radically anti-racist anyway). The alt-right takes its power from the imageboard culture it co-opted. I myself have that terminally online cultural DNA (hence why I'm not a woketard) but ever since that whole culture war hit the fan I started to gradually become more and more progressive (not woke, rather "tolerant of difference and opposing discrimination"), partly as a reaction to those very same tradcons who became mainstream again, partly as a consequence of adopting anarcho-egoism which forced me to abandon my homophobia entirely.


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 No.496544[Reply]

This is an issue every American leftist must grapple with: If immigration doesn’t increase proletarian unity, then it’s detrimental. An example would be the post-1945 wave of reactionary immigrants and refugees such as the gusanos, Vietnamese-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Korean-Americans, Israelis and Iranian-Americans who live in the USA and undermine class struggle by engaging in reactionary politics and manufacturing consent for the imperialist war machine, on the top of serving as tools for counterintelligence against communist states and non-communist rivals of the trans-Atlantic empire like Russia.

Case in point, the Pahlavist Iranian Americans who want to send American people to die for their selfish war against the Islamic Republic of Iran so that the Islamic government can be replaced with an oppressive capitalist secular monarchy that will act as an American and Israeli puppet state, much like modern Syria is. And guess what? Not only are said Pahlavists a bunch of racist supremacists who unironically believe that their “Persia” would be a superpower if it wasn’t for the damn ayabs, but they feel little to no tie with the American nation, instead viewing it as a tool for their ethno-narcissistic ends.

Vietnamese-Americans, Korean-Americans and Chinese Americans are similar to the Cuban gusanos in that they’re often staunchly rightoid nutjobs and anti-communist grifters trying to agitate America for forever wars in Asia to put them at the helm of their countries of origin after the government they dislike gets overthrown and it’s easy for them to support such ventures since ultimately it’s Americans who have to pay for it via their lives and wealth. A similar dynamic goes on with the Pahlavist tethers, even though the price will be NGO-isation and civil war in their country of origin. The case of East Asian tethers is interesting in that even the chuds in east Asia, despite their relatively high living standards, are so devoid of culture that both them and their diaspora get enamored by low-brow chud slop. Case in point, Twitter reactionary influencers Andy Ngo, Arthur Kwon Lee, Kangmin Lee, Ian Miles Cheong, the entirety of the Falun Gong cult with outlets like the Epoch Times, etc… are some of the ones to comes to mind. Not sure why East Asians pivot to chudslop, but I think that goes to show how Mao was right when he launched China’s cultural revolution.

Another extreme and more recent examples are the Boers of SA tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.496454[Reply]

The indigenous spectre is pissing me off. I want some other perspectives.

In a word, there is no inherent value in indigenousness. There is no inherent righteousness in being indigenous. All so-called indigenous peoples were originally settlers, and there is no special snapshot in history where it is 'right' to return to, nor any philosophical fairness in halting or reverting to any point.

That isn't to say we shouldn't oppose the oppression of indigenous populations in colonial settlements, nor oppose these capitalist imperialist projects, nor dismiss the unique connections that indigenous people tend to have with land. But the solution should almost never be RETVRN or reactionary nationalist 'landback' crap.

The Zionist Regime should be destroyed, but not because the Arab Palestinian nationals somehow have a right to the place either. No nationality has a special right to any territory.
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 No.496512

>>496509
Under Obama specifically? 2016, the last year he was in office, that's the last time Obama called in the military to violate treaties with the Indians. It continued under Trump in 2017, and that particular violation never actually stopped, and is still upheld by the threat of military force. The U.S. gov't continues to violate treaties with the Indians, it never actually stopped doing that.

>>496510
>No one is out here calling for brobama to bomb sand uyghurs over seas retard.
I didn't claim anybody was calling for that. I was comparing a sentiment another poster actually expressed to the sentiment of Obama, an actual neoliberal, who actually did exactly the thing that that poster wanted to do in pursuit of a thing which users in this thread seem suspiciously "unaware" actually happens.

>Try to cobble together a better strawman

Literally the entire premise of this thread is based around strawmen which were immediately debunked in >>496455 . You either lack comprehension of the topic or you're feigning ignorance in order to push a narrative. There are no "special magic privileges." The rights demanded are the rights not to be tread on, not to have their homes stolen, not to be murdered and robbed with total impunity. That's it. Nothing magic about it, and pretending as though there is anything "spooked" about it and trying to vilify people over this, using gross mischaracterizations, strawmen, and caricatures, is highly suspicious when the U.S. is on a continuous colonial frenzy.
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 No.496520

>>496512
I still don't know what you're talking about. Cops were called in across multiple states to harass pipeline protestors, not the army.
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 No.496521

>>496520
Memory holed.
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 No.496522

>>496521
You're right, I completely forgot the National Guard was called in. Thinking a bit more about this, the pipeline expansions were also the result of an Army Corps of Engineers study that bypassed the normal environmental impact assessment process. Throughout his presidency Obama issued executive orders to expedite these pipeline expansions and dodge environmental impact assessments.
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 No.496536

>>496495
Except nearly all ashkenazi jews are descended from Khazars who converted from paganism during the crusades to protect them from christian-muslim infighting.


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 No.496431[Reply]

im new to this chan, how conflicted are pepol in this board
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 No.496446

>>496431
The people who sit on /R9K/ and /leftypol/ are ideologically different to the people who sit on /lgbt/ and /dead/, which leads to frequent conflicts and ragebait threads but at least the site allows for multiple perspectives to exist simultaneously unlike .org. But other than our general anti-idpol, anti-capitalist, anti-Zionist, and anti-.org sentiments we don't really agree on anything.
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 No.496447

>>496446
I agree that you're a faggot.

Also we have I2P and TOR and we actually promote its use and don't try to obfuscate their utility in order to control anons.
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 No.496451

>>496431
what conflict?
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 No.496453

>>496446
Huh? /R9K/ is the sex and relationship board. They're not ideologically different than the other boards.
The imageboard is mostly tankies with a few egotists and nihilists and some lurking .orgres which are really just redditors with Soviet atheistics.
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 No.496478

>>496447
>I agree that you're a faggot.
What was that for?
>>496453
>/R9K/ is the sex and relationship board.
Yes and no. It's true that it's just a sex and relationships board but it does attract certain types of people who react to basic statements like "Women deserve rights too" with "You're a cucked feminist SJW, you will never be a woman, groomer, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope…" Like, these people do NOT allow one to support women or even feel sympathy for them, it's like some cardinal sin to these incels. Not saying all people on /R9K/ are like that but that still leads to conflicts even on /R9K/ itself. Hell, there is an "age of consent" thread where conflicts happen 24/7. So yeah, we all constantly complain and disagree with each other, that's pretty normal for Leftychan.


 No.496263[Reply]

Securing the backing of 70,000 REI co-op members, REI's union has called for a boycott of the store's anniversary sale over unionbusting activity.
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 No.496291

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 No.496311

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REI Union:
Our boycott is 5 days away and we need your help ensuring we reach as many shoppers as possible. Can you sign up to leaflet outside your local REI store alongside other Co-op members and union supporters? http://Ourrei.com/leaflet/!
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 No.496421

Starts today!
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 No.496429

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 No.496468

Ongoing!


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 No.496327[Reply]

I think alter-globalism is the most reasonable alternative to globalism: it avoids globalism's neo-imperialism and liberal multiculturalism while not falling into nationalism. What do you guys think?
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 No.496341

>>496329
>I think the language of "globalization" is an attempt to obfuscate political economy
I think Capital is trying to obfuscate everything, I don't think we should dismiss people's genuine dislike of economic imperialism just because they use a term that's been co-opted by right-wing politicians. I mean, would we even be anti-idpol if we weren't willing to engage with right-wing talking points seriously and trying to understand where these people are coming from? Granted, that led to a lots of conservative socialists joining Leftychan but an attempt was made.
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 No.496342

>>496341
Globalism is in fact a scientific and correct term, whatever use righttards make of it. Globalism is capitalism in the stage of generalized international division of labour. Imperialism too was a word invented by rightwingers and guess what? Lenin investigated the objective phenomenon behind it.
Dogmatist and larper retards refuse the term just like 2nd internationalists refused the imperialism theory and they in fact advocated for imperialism. Dengoids also seek refuge from it because it implicates China - no China no globalism - and denies the superstition of an all powerful nation-state (like it was in the imperialist era).
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 No.496344

>>496341
>>496342
>co-opted
The term is "neoliberalism": the economic and governing doctrine of deregulation and corporate supremacy. That's what neoliberalism is and it's been articulated as neoliberalism for over 50 years now. We don't need to invent new language to describe the same shit that's been going on since the 1970s. The term "globalism" was created to obfuscate what's actually occurring–the world-wide undermining of governments and sovereignty by trans-national corporate power. There is in fact nothing wrong with a holistic global outlook and we should welcome global collaboration on problems that cannot be solved at a nation-state level (such as environmental protection and sustainability). The problem is not having a holistic global perspective of the world, the problem is allowing capitalism and corporate power to escape the ability of states to control them. It's very important to be clear about this or we just cede political ground to crass nationalism, which will undoubtedly give way to catastrophic wars just like WW1.
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 No.496357

>>496344
shut up nig
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 No.496361

>>496357
Do you know how you sound when you do this? you have no argument, you are just someone with a cage around their penis squishing it into a little clitty.


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 No.496031[Reply]

The Democratic socialist party of America is a bullshit zionist piece of dog shit
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 No.496282

>>496276
If everything is a lie and truth is impossible to determine, then there is no point in studying history.
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 No.496307

>>496278
wars arent started by "the booj"
you give them way, way too much credit
capitalists are the servants of capital, not its avatars
furthermore, capitalism is driven by the behavior of the workers not the bourgoisie, hence why the workers need to organize and dominate capitalism… aka socialism
war is political negotiation through force, and plenty of "the booj" dont have a say in it
stop being spooked by pseudo leftist garbage
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 No.496308

>>496280
because they use the state to protect their own private interests, duh, why wouldn't they?
seriously, think about it. if all the wealthy and powerful died tomorrow, what do you think would happen?
it is already known that hierarchical economies with markets and inheritance naturally generate an upper class, wealth distribution follows the pareto principle
or do you instead think that we live in some shitty YA dystopian novel where youre stamped with a tattoo that says "ugly" if youre a worker and "pretty" if youre a capitalist?
capitalism creates capitalists, not the other way around, this is so obvious that it shouldnt have to be said but somehow im saying it
you just want an excuse to justify your retarded feelings
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 No.496309

>>496279
another retarded sentiment
its in the interest of the dominant class to be against assassinations towards their class REGARDLESS of whether its true or false, it says absolutely nothing about the effectiveness of assassinations
nobody on this fucking site understands socialist theory, let alone a grasp of simple logic
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 No.496310

>>496281
i never said this, of course capitalists are violently coerced, by other capitalists no less
im saying that even if this is necessary it still is neither desirable nor ANYTHING CLOSE TO SUFFICIENT for a socialist movement to succeed
what, do you think the success rates of revolutions are determined by the number of guillotines being used?
assuming you arent just abusing socialism to justify your sick fantasies, you actually need to get some fucking political economy in your head first
go watch a cockshott video or something


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