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 No.469138[Reply]

I see memes and arguments about "China is communist!" "China is capitalist!" blah blah but what's going underneath the memes? How is the economy run day-to-day?

There seems to be a lot of free-market activity. There is a stock exchange. There is obviously wage labour.

Are major sectors nationalised? Is it illegal to set up private enterprises in some sectors (e.g. trains, telecommunications)?

Comradely thanks
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 No.471966

>>471931
Xi Jinping has moved China's economy to the left so far. That's a pretty good sign.
We kinda have to see how well they deal with the US shenanigans like their attempts at starting a war in Taiwan.

I think the US attempts at toppling the chinese state won't go beyond 2030, and after that the Chinese socialist project has a reasonable chance at succeeding.

Also after the US empire is concluded the age of empire will come to an end. Not China nor any other power will play hegemon. The material conditions no longer allow for anybody to bootstrap a new empire.
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 No.471967

>>471932
>Those properties are UNPROFITABLE, and they are on the balance of the state municipalities.
Real estate hedge-funds aren't after profits they want rent.
The more real estate goes from large hedge-funds to the public-sector or individual people, the lower that parasitic drain. This is a W.
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 No.472602

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https://gowans.blog/2023/08/24/xi-jinping-and-his-republican-party-style-contempt-for-socialism/
Xi Jinping and His Republican Party-Style Contempt for Socialism
>The difference between the rule of capitalism-committed Communists and the rule of capitalism-committed capitalists is approximately zero. Even their maxims are the same.
>In a speech two years ago, the Chinese leader [Xi] said: “Even in the future, when we have reached a higher level of development and are equipped with more substantial financial resources, we still must not aim too high or go overboard with social security, and steer clear of the idleness-breeding trap of welfarism.”
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 No.472604

China: socialist or capitalist?

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=iiAm78Djsxo
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 No.472605

>>472604
here's the embed

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 No.472480[Reply]

Why are rightoids so bent out of shape about this guy? As far as capitalists go, he doesn't seem so bad, especially considering his left leaning social views.
>Inb4 who dat?
Get with the program. it's Larry Fink, head of Black Rock, pioneers of socially responsible investing and the largest asset management company in the US today.
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 No.472521

>>472490
>Muh pop culture Netflix reference
Psyoped opinion discarded
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 No.472544

The right gets bent out over shit like this because they are to stupid to understand systemic issues.
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 No.472545

>>472544
they are to stupid
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 No.472546

>>472544
You think they'd be less "bent out of shape" if they understood it ?
I doubt it. I read a bunch of Marxist theory and roughly understand how monopoly capital formation and financialisation works, but i still find it infuriating. The anger won't go away until the broken shit gets fixed. There is only some alleviation from understanding it.

But maybe you're not entirely wrong, at least part of the right thinks that capitalism is exclusively small and medium sized enterprises competing in a utopian market where no capitalist ever manages to corner the market, and nobody can extract monopoly rent or super-profits. And when actually existing capitalism is corporate hell standing on your neck, it generates anger from broken expectations.

Maybe we should invent a new economic ideology that argues for automatic caps on the maximum size of companies and limits on capital accumulation. The chances of this type of utopian capitalism working in praxis are not great. But at least that could work as a entry point to structural thinking.
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 No.472566

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>>472546
>Maybe we should invent a new economic ideology that argues for automatic caps on the maximum size of companies and limits on capital accumulation.

If you're willing to compromise, just do Georgism.

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 No.472320[Reply]

It is illegal to reject your state mafia protection by denouncing its citizenship that was brought upon you without your consent.
IT IS ILLEGAL TO DO, WORLDWIDE.
https://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?OpenAgent&DS=A/RES/896(IX)&Lang=E
https://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list?module=treaty-detail&treatynum=166

You can't even free yourself from a forced patronage of @ least one UN-approved government. This whole world is a marketplace made out of concentration camp administrations of different flavors which control their designated territories.
So much for the absolute freedom & total democracy!
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 No.472507

>>472506
>the important part that there were regional differences
idiotism

the differences in time are far more significant than regional differences
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 No.472508

>>472507
not an argument (also take meds)
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 No.472509

>>472502
>My imaginary version of feudalism had some upsides
Actually existing feudalism worked like this:
90% of the population had to do subsistence farming, which meant they lived short, brutal and austere lives. The nobility, the aristocrats, the barons,… and the theocracy, stole most of the food they farmed. People got subjected to physical torture, psychological terror and arbitrary punishment. Also feudalism regularly had severe famines where significant numbers of the population starved to death. People were kept artificially ignorant because even basic literacy training was suppressed. Religion was mandatory, and if you didn't believe their fantasy, they tried to stone or burn you to death.

The only thing about feudalism that didn't completely suck was that during agricultural off-season, people had a lot more free time.
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 No.472510

>>472509
and now you just do heroin instead of all of this
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 No.472542

>>472510
Yes you are correct, people are still being subjected to degrading conditions.
However the drug mafia can be defeated too.

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 No.472536[Reply]

It's hilarious that so many leftists honestly believe their credibility somehow remains intact after they fell for and perpetuated the flu psyop.

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 No.472459[Reply]

It is obvious that the fascists just went underground like the rats they are to rebuild power and start the psychological war to end all psychological wars. There is a global fascist conspiracy including Russia, the Republican party, billionares and C.E.Os including Elon Musk, and most likely other bad actors to overthrow democracy worldwide and establish a global fascist alliance to make sure that the entire planet is enslaved forever.

The psychological war has largely been focused on the U.S. and has involved psychologically grooming and condition American conservatives into becoming completely deranged genocidal cultists, while conditioning everyone else to tolerate them. The game plan was for Russia to establish an Eastern front in Europe while the Republicans work to overthrow U.S. democracy, purge the country of non-cultists, and then join the war to attack Europe from the West. If the U.S. falls, so does Europe, and if Europe falls, so does the world.

The question is now: how do we stop them and expose the conspiracy?
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 No.472468

Dugin is based
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 No.472469

>>472460
💎 all I drive are German cars and my lone suit is a Hugo Boss
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 No.472470

>>472459
>wwii never ended
<why?
>because trotsky said so!
kill yourself
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 No.472478

>>472469
USSR elites made new trade deals with IG Farben in the 50s. No surprise tho, summa their golden kids turned up @ evening parties in a full SS uniform, as noted by @ least one of the nomenclatura girls who participated in them.

>>472470
fix your bot, fag.
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 No.472494

>>472478
>USSR made trade deals with IG Farben in the 50s
So they bought means of production for the chemical industry, if that was cheaper than industrial espionage, there's nothing particularly wrong with it.

>Somebody from the USSR wore an SS uniform shortly after WW2
Would've been suicidal. I'm guessing that's made up.

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 No.472472[Reply]

Do you consider yourself to be pragmatic with your politics anon?
Or do you feel that making any ideological concessions is a betrayal of your values and beliefs?

I think it's interesting when groups with diametrically opposed outlooks and ideals work together for what they both perceive to be the 'greater good'. Pic related, and feel free to post more interesting examples of this occuring.
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 No.472477

>>472474
This.
Being right about everything all the time is the sole reason I even came to le ftard theories, along with finding reasons for the authoritarization of bols' governing so I could dunk on anarkitties too.
all of it is old outdated shit & got increasingly boring tho. gunna leave it all soon & move on
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 No.472484

I have a public opinion-private opinion distinction as part of my worldview. Most of my private opinions remain close to heart, but a few close friends know how I am in my personal life.

However, I sometimes share the same public and private opinion. For example, my public opinion on leftypol mods is they’re all gay faggots. My private opinion on leftypol mods is they’re all gay faggots.
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 No.472485

>>472477
Honestly, instead of just throwing your hands up and reverting to your natural state drinking IPAs and eating hipster pizza at Telegraph Hill in SF, which I’m not saying isn’t a vibe, it’s just expensive and kinda gay also I definitely wasn’t eating delicious hipster pizza in that area recently or anything, just pick up on full contrarianism for fun. Be a Trotskyist on here or leftypol, tell other communists that China, Russia and Iran aren’t on their side this is actually true, etc. Debating is dumb and pointless, just mog other anons and make ogre jannies more paranoid and unhinged.
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 No.472488

>>472472

it's wrong to think mathematically about it. As in something being true or false but to envision it as a hierarchy of truth. For example, all left ideologies being a gradient of the 'truth'.
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 No.472489

>>472488
>Least ideological leftist

 No.472391[Reply]

Here is a pop-sci video about Black holes that speculates about the possibility to remove the black-hole event-horizon and grant us an opportunity to study the singularity at the center of a black-hole. But for some reason they give the impression that this would unlock forbidden knowledge that unravels reality. It will take us many thousands of years until we'll be able to fuck around with black-holes, so even if there was a danger that warning will have faded away.

There seems to be an ideological sub-current that seeks to limit the bounds of scientific exploration. I'd like to understand where this is coming from.

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=cFslUSyfZPc
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 No.472444

>>472423
Technology could probably solve almost all of our problems, eventually. If we made technology for solving problems rather than technology for profit, that is.
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 No.472446

>>472444
nah, I don't buy it

too many technoutopist boys crying wolfs tbh

I still remember some retarded Heinlein book about a dude waking up from cryosleep in 2000 where everyone has flying cars and personal robots.
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 No.472447

>>472444
Every modern problem is the result of trying to solve an earlier problem
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 No.472457

>>472444
>If we made technology for solving problems
Their hidden point is that the system which led us to this ongoing ecological disaster is okay, we just need to invest into new tech-shit & after that we could continue to cumsoom @ the same rate we always did & maybe, hopefully, even more so.
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 No.472465

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>>472446
It's techno-utopist to think that capitalism will use technology to create a better world. But it's un-realistic techno-doommerism to think that tech can't be used in that way in a different economic system.

>>472447
>Every modern problem is the result of trying to solve an earlier problem
Wrong, many problems aren't the result of previous problem-solving attempts. Also it's not a bad thing to stack technology, because it's very possible to work out all the bugs eventually.

>>472457
>Their hidden point is that the system which led us to this ongoing ecological disaster is okay, we just need to invest into new tech-shit & after that we could continue to cumsoom @ the same rate we always did & maybe, hopefully, even more so.
You are disseminating green austerity propaganda, which is even worse ruling ideology. The hidden point in your statement is that you shill to cut consumption for the masses in order to preserve the current system in a way that it allows the ruling class to continue their consumption.

If you talk about reducing consumption, you have to focus on reducing the consumption of the super-rich to the level of what proles get first. If you are not putting that front and center you're just a hypocrite that shills for the ruling class interests. You aren't advocating for protecting the environment, you are advocating to destroy the environment on behalf of the super-rich instead of the masses.

If we ended the class system, we could build technology that benefits primarily the masses, and we could make it compatible with the biosphere too. It would eventually become possible to increase the consumption for the masses.

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 No.472302[Reply]

Thought this deserved a thread already. The US recently orchestrated a military against the prime minister of Pakistan. Pakistan has basically had de facto military rule for decades. Control of the prime ministership has oscillated back and forth between two major families while the military rules from the shadows. What was perhaps different this time is that the current prime minister was enormously popular and people had the impression that things were moving in a more democratic direction.

However, he didn't do exactly as he was told by the US like a good boy, so he had to go, and now one of the world's major nuclear powers is in a state of instability. What's in the future for Pakistan now? Is there a danger of India stepping in and some idiot provoking a nuclear exchange?
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 No.472306

Also, I would like to hear from someone who lives in that region, and not some multipolar westoid. Thank you.
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 No.472312

>>472306
>I would like to hear from someone who lives in that region
+92
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 No.472390

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Wtf, is Twitter becoming based?
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 No.472392

>>472390
>Twitter becoming based?
Maybe, but consider that they might be worried about credibility too. Regime-change-Tony self-styling himself as Mr. Orderly-process-Democracy is perhaps too much of a stretch.

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 No.472310[Reply]

Opinions on this dude? He seems to be popular in Italian circles. Doesn't seem to be a dogmoid, dunks on retarded leftoids in his democracy book.

Tho his dismissal of Athens on the grounds that it was exclusionary of large parts of the population is unwarranted because it was still inclusionary of the majority of poor urban population that manned the fleets. Which should be far more important for a marxist than inclusion of fucking w*men, no?

But I digress.. Any garlic eaters here that can provide more context?
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 No.472329

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On the split in the propertied class.
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 No.472330

>>472328
And? Should we then dismiss the experiment, the concept of democracy, and the observations that led people to overthrow oligarchies and establish it in the first place because it didn't comport with our modern all-liberating, all-inclusive form of government we want to strive towards? By the way, Athens wasn't the only democracy in the Greek world.
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 No.472331

>>472330
>modern all-liberating, all-inclusive form of government we want to strive towards
Or, to be perfectly blunt, what some leftists appear to want to strive towards. Others seem like they would prefer the Orwellian fraud of electoral oligarchy invented in the 18th century, readily dismissing the entire concept of real democracy on the grounds of ancient democracy's imperfections and Aristotle's aristocratic apologia.
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 No.472333

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>>472330
>the observations that led people to overthrow oligarchies
I'm not against direct democratic mechanisms, but you overestimate the differences between ancient "democracy" and "oligarchy".

Geographic determinists win again lol.
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 No.472334

Also, can we please agree how retarded was Pericles with his war plans? Get besieged in an overcrowded city and don't expect a plague? Really?

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 No.472254[Reply]

Social Organizations Mobilize in Argentina After Murder of Facundo Morales
Social organizations and political movements in Argentina mobilized this Friday at the Obelisk in Buenos Aires, after the murder on Thursday of Facundo Molares Schoenfeld who died as a result of police violence. … Similarly, the demonstrators held up signs with the phrase: “Not one more dead for fighting,” and questioned the attitude of the head of government, Horacio Rodríguez Larreta, who claimed responsibility for the actions of the police, said that Facundo’s death was due to a heart attack.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/post/2023/08/12/social-organizations-mobilize-in-argentina-after-murder-of-facundo-morales/

Ecuador arrests 6 Colombians over assassination of presidential candidate
Ecuador’s police arrested six Colombians for their alleged participation in the assassination of presidential candidate Fernando Villavicencio. The six were arrested in Quito shortly after the assassination on Wednesday. Two of the suspects were arrested near the campaign event in the north of the capital where Villavicencio was shot dead.
https://colombiareports.com/ecuador-arrests-6-colombians-over-assassination-of-presidential-candidate/

Millions of Mexicans lifted out of poverty during López Obrador presidency
Coneval issues its poverty measurement report every two years, basing its analyses on a survey of household earnings and expenditures from Mexico’s national statistics institute Inegi. “And surely in the 2024 report will be lower,” he said, pointing to a graph that showed that the poverty rate fell from 43.2% in 2016 to 36.3% in 2022. The graphs he presented did not include the data from the 2018 and 2020 reports, which showed the poverty rate to be 41.9% and 43.9%, respectively.
https://www.courthousenews.com/millions-of-mexicans-lifted-out-of-poverty-during-lopez-obrador-presidency/
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 No.472287

>>472254
TYBNA
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 No.472290

>>472256
>Police raid local Kansas newspaper office and homes of reporters
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/12/police-raid-local-kansas-newspaper-office-and-homes-of-reporters

This is a confusing article, they raided a newspaper because a local restaurant proprietor was embarrassed about getting caught for drunk driving ?
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 No.472298

>>472290

Apparently, yeah. That's what it's suggesting.

"According to Meyer, a confidential source leaked evidence that Newell had been convicted of drink-driving and continued using her vehicle without a license. But the paper never published anything related to it as they suspected the source was relaying information from Newell’s husband during their divorce proceedings.

The Kansas Reflector reported: “Police notified Newell, who then complained at a city council meeting that the newspaper had illegally obtained and disseminated sensitive documents, which isn’t true. Her public comments prompted the newspaper to set the record straight in a story published Thursday.”

The paper added that Newell admitted to the drink-driving arrest and driving with a suspended license.

Then came Friday’s raid and seizures, authorized by a search warrant that alleged identity theft and unlawful use of a computer. The seized materials included publishing and reporting materials that the newspaper relied on to publish their next edition, and they were not given a timeframe for when seized computers and phones would be returned."
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 No.472300

>>472298
>Apparently, yeah.
woah that's some fucked up shit.
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 No.472301

>>472258
>Confronting their war plan on China means getting organised
We need to say “No”: Australia can, in fact, have an independent foreign policy based on peace and justice in the world. And it must. We owe it to ourselves, future generations and the rest of the world.

It feels they're underestimating the stakes. If the US neocons manage to start a war with China, Australia would likely be in the sacrificial zone, and get royally aukused in the process.

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