/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

First of all, capitalism isn't a "system", but a situation. No one was an "ideological capitalist" until the rise of the fascists. The reactionary elitists and idiot screamers embraced ideology, but their ideology suggested not "maximum capitalism" but oligarchy and slavery. That is the result of the German ideology, Nazism, the Austrian School, and so on. There were political elitists who did see the future as liberal and progressive, who believed themselves to be a new aristocracy, which makes diagnosing what this was difficult given the amount of lying involved.

The trajectory of capitalism as a situation is literally what Capital was intended for, and it was expected that this understanding would be expanded on by future writers. The questions Marx asks are not particular to him, so there are liberals and socialists and proto-fascists / elitists asking the same question. The Fascists themselves are directly responding to Marx, and to the situation they saw. It became the consensus of those who opposed the democratic movement that fascism was the only future society that would protect a political elite, and so that is by the admission of those who rule what they really want. They want to Nazify the world, and keep telling us the Germanic system is the only possible system, since the Germans dominated world fascism and cleared out every other type. In the main, fascism is the political system of eugenics.

This isn't the position of the "left", but the position history has shown us, and by the start of the 21st century, eugenics was all that remained. Ideology is for the slaves. Eugenics in the end supplants capitalism as the dominant situation. Rather than the capitalist's lordship being through command of money or financial institutions, eugenic society is dominated by command and control of people in a form of slavery more abject than any yet known. If you were to suggest a teleological view of history, human civilization appears to the present ruling ideas as nothing more than a progression of slavery to ever-worse forms. Chattel slavery gives way to serfdom, which gives way to the scientific slavery of the 18th and 19th centuries and imperialism, which gives way to corporate rule and the early efforts of the eugenists, which gives way to the national security states that could command all life from cradle to grave, which gives way to the eugenism which is currently seizing the world. There was never once, in the ruling ideas, a suggPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>472740

Can you elaborate on the last paragraph?
This is a really interesting post.

>>472742
There hasn't been any new current in "left" political thought that is genuine in a long time. It is so bad that the positions of the far right are sold as "leftist". It's why the "new left" is ecologist and lies so profusely to the masses. They've gone over to fascism, and were the most eager to roll into what is happening after 2020. The actual left has been disintegrated, lacks any worthwhile leaders, and mumbles weakly about their future in some small forum or cloistered location. Anyone who was of the older left got out of the US or accepted that it's a lost cause - so many became expats wherever they could flee. There is nothing left in this country and they knew it would be a wasteland. A lot of them want it to be this way, and got into the European ideological sickness. They hate Americans more than anything in the world, and increasingly they just hate the people. That was always something latent in leftism, honest or the "new left" posture. Long ago the left abandoned the people and chose the institutions - the same institutions most of us see correctly as the source of the problem. When left, right, and center align with the institutions and against our actual existence, there is nowhere to go - and their goal is to make a world that is completely unliveable. When done, the Hegelian view of history can operate in "lab conditions" - all inadmissible ideas have finally been swept away, leaving only "historical progress" to lead to the inevitable outcome. That outcome, predicted long in advance, was despotism.

>>472766
Basically, if anything is going to be different, it would start from entirely new foundations. The left/right distinction referred to a historical divide in the republics rather than a universal position, and the fascists monopolized the "third way" to eliminate all potential worlds that could have been different.

>>472767
In communism, there would be left and right tendencies inherited from the same struggle, but those concepts meant different things in the socialist society, as socialism was premised on very different settlements. In the main, the left communists desired the same social reform that left liberalism implied, and the right communists were the advocates of the retreat to the institutions and abandonment of the people. The history of the early USSR and the Stalin period is fascinating if you dig into it, but the revisionist history is that Stalin was le dictator who waved his mighty hand to move the world, which is absurd and something the actual "Stalinists" vehemently denied, with facts backing them up.

>>472669
Besides a Kremlin-hit, there are other possible explanations.

They could have put burned corpses on the plane, and parachuted out just before it crashed, to fake their deaths and disappear. This isn't the first time Prigozhin was said to have died in a plane crash afterall.

It could have been a US assassination because they think Wagner might fight in Africa.

Prigozhin could have had other enemies too.

>>471597
personally gotta say i like to imagine they all suffocated to death especially since the news makes a habit of stating blatant lies and at best half truths as undisputed fact with usually each story tied with a pretty bow all backed up by buncha quacks and shysters

>>470217
It's marketing for the remake of Critical Depth. Get Hype.

>>471601
Wow This brought back memories

>>471597
SAUCE??!?!

>>471931
Xi Jinping has moved China's economy to the left so far. That's a pretty good sign.
We kinda have to see how well they deal with the US shenanigans like their attempts at starting a war in Taiwan.

I think the US attempts at toppling the chinese state won't go beyond 2030, and after that the Chinese socialist project has a reasonable chance at succeeding.

Also after the US empire is concluded the age of empire will come to an end. Not China nor any other power will play hegemon. The material conditions no longer allow for anybody to bootstrap a new empire.

>>471932
>Those properties are UNPROFITABLE, and they are on the balance of the state municipalities.
Real estate hedge-funds aren't after profits they want rent.
The more real estate goes from large hedge-funds to the public-sector or individual people, the lower that parasitic drain. This is a W.

>>472604
here's the embed

>>472490
>Muh pop culture Netflix reference
Psyoped opinion discarded

The right gets bent out over shit like this because they are to stupid to understand systemic issues.

>>472544
they are to stupid

>>472544
You think they'd be less "bent out of shape" if they understood it ?
I doubt it. I read a bunch of Marxist theory and roughly understand how monopoly capital formation and financialisation works, but i still find it infuriating. The anger won't go away until the broken shit gets fixed. There is only some alleviation from understanding it.

But maybe you're not entirely wrong, at least part of the right thinks that capitalism is exclusively small and medium sized enterprises competing in a utopian market where no capitalist ever manages to corner the market, and nobody can extract monopoly rent or super-profits. And when actually existing capitalism is corporate hell standing on your neck, it generates anger from broken expectations.

Maybe we should invent a new economic ideology that argues for automatic caps on the maximum size of companies and limits on capital accumulation. The chances of this type of utopian capitalism working in praxis are not great. But at least that could work as a entry point to structural thinking.

>>472546
>Maybe we should invent a new economic ideology that argues for automatic caps on the maximum size of companies and limits on capital accumulation.

If you're willing to compromise, just do Georgism.

>>472506
>the important part that there were regional differences
idiotism

the differences in time are far more significant than regional differences

>>472507
not an argument (also take meds)

>>472502
>My imaginary version of feudalism had some upsides
Actually existing feudalism worked like this:
90% of the population had to do subsistence farming, which meant they lived short, brutal and austere lives. The nobility, the aristocrats, the barons,… and the theocracy, stole most of the food they farmed. People got subjected to physical torture, psychological terror and arbitrary punishment. Also feudalism regularly had severe famines where significant numbers of the population starved to death. People were kept artificially ignorant because even basic literacy training was suppressed. Religion was mandatory, and if you didn't believe their fantasy, they tried to stone or burn you to death.

The only thing about feudalism that didn't completely suck was that during agricultural off-season, people had a lot more free time.

>>472509
and now you just do heroin instead of all of this

>>472510
Yes you are correct, people are still being subjected to degrading conditions.
However the drug mafia can be defeated too.

Dugin is based

>>472460
💎 all I drive are German cars and my lone suit is a Hugo Boss

>>472459
>wwii never ended
<why?
>because trotsky said so!
kill yourself

>>472469
USSR elites made new trade deals with IG Farben in the 50s. No surprise tho, summa their golden kids turned up @ evening parties in a full SS uniform, as noted by @ least one of the nomenclatura girls who participated in them.

>>472470
fix your bot, fag.

>>472478
>USSR made trade deals with IG Farben in the 50s
So they bought means of production for the chemical industry, if that was cheaper than industrial espionage, there's nothing particularly wrong with it.

>Somebody from the USSR wore an SS uniform shortly after WW2
Would've been suicidal. I'm guessing that's made up.

>>472474
This.
Being right about everything all the time is the sole reason I even came to le ftard theories, along with finding reasons for the authoritarization of bols' governing so I could dunk on anarkitties too.
all of it is old outdated shit & got increasingly boring tho. gunna leave it all soon & move on

I have a public opinion-private opinion distinction as part of my worldview. Most of my private opinions remain close to heart, but a few close friends know how I am in my personal life.

However, I sometimes share the same public and private opinion. For example, my public opinion on leftypol mods is they’re all gay faggots. My private opinion on leftypol mods is they’re all gay faggots.

>>472477
Honestly, instead of just throwing your hands up and reverting to your natural state drinking IPAs and eating hipster pizza at Telegraph Hill in SF, which I’m not saying isn’t a vibe, it’s just expensive and kinda gay also I definitely wasn’t eating delicious hipster pizza in that area recently or anything, just pick up on full contrarianism for fun. Be a Trotskyist on here or leftypol, tell other communists that China, Russia and Iran aren’t on their side this is actually true, etc. Debating is dumb and pointless, just mog other anons and make ogre jannies more paranoid and unhinged.

>>472472

it's wrong to think mathematically about it. As in something being true or false but to envision it as a hierarchy of truth. For example, all left ideologies being a gradient of the 'truth'.

>>472423
Technology could probably solve almost all of our problems, eventually. If we made technology for solving problems rather than technology for profit, that is.

>>472444
nah, I don't buy it

too many technoutopist boys crying wolfs tbh

I still remember some retarded Heinlein book about a dude waking up from cryosleep in 2000 where everyone has flying cars and personal robots.

>>472444
Every modern problem is the result of trying to solve an earlier problem

>>472444
>If we made technology for solving problems
Their hidden point is that the system which led us to this ongoing ecological disaster is okay, we just need to invest into new tech-shit & after that we could continue to cumsoom @ the same rate we always did & maybe, hopefully, even more so.

>>472446
It's techno-utopist to think that capitalism will use technology to create a better world. But it's un-realistic techno-doommerism to think that tech can't be used in that way in a different economic system.

>>472447
>Every modern problem is the result of trying to solve an earlier problem
Wrong, many problems aren't the result of previous problem-solving attempts. Also it's not a bad thing to stack technology, because it's very possible to work out all the bugs eventually.

>>472457
>Their hidden point is that the system which led us to this ongoing ecological disaster is okay, we just need to invest into new tech-shit & after that we could continue to cumsoom @ the same rate we always did & maybe, hopefully, even more so.
You are disseminating green austerity propaganda, which is even worse ruling ideology. The hidden point in your statement is that you shill to cut consumption for the masses in order to preserve the current system in a way that it allows the ruling class to continue their consumption.

If you talk about reducing consumption, you have to focus on reducing the consumption of the super-rich to the level of what proles get first. If you are not putting that front and center you're just a hypocrite that shills for the ruling class interests. You aren't advocating for protecting the environment, you are advocating to destroy the environment on behalf of the super-rich instead of the masses.

If we ended the class system, we could build technology that benefits primarily the masses, and we could make it compatible with the biosphere too. It would eventually become possible to increase the consumption for the masses.

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