/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

https://x.com/redstreamnet/status/1850526520885785049
Following the assassination attempt on Evo Morales, his supporters are calling on the police to stop obeying the orders of President Luis Arce's government. Both leaders are from the ruling Movement Towards Socialism party, which has been torn by escalating internal conflicts.
-Redstream

https://x.com/redstreamnet/status/1850517774566646165
🟡 NOW: Supporters of Evo Morales are now guarding the trade union office where he is currently staying after just surviving an assassination attempt involving 14 gunshots. The people are forming a human protective ring around the building. The attacker is still on the run.

>>485222
I knew Morales and Arce had unfriended, but i didn't know it had become that bad.

Just a sanity check: are we sure it's not a third party that did the assassination attempt against Morales ?

>>485225
I have no idea who's behind it lol

>>485162
>>485164
Yeah it's not "redditors" like the title implies, it's reddit itself and whoever controls it as part of the larger propaganda apparatus.

>>485174
not sure what this means but i lol'd

>>485162
>The only comment they upvoted was one that was critical of Trump.
And the biggest downvoted posts include "duopoly", "Democrats" and "Biden".

>>485162
Why would you assume any of this was real people up/down-voting ?

The most reasonable explanation is that she does have electoral appeal and that's why all these shenanigans are happening.

>>485138
>>485140
The Uighur situation was like this:

Presumably the CIA or something similar tried to foment religious fundamentalism in the Xinjiang region in China. Most likely because that is the largest hub in the Belt and Road project. Which is a industrial development program the Chinese are building for economic soft-power influence. For the most part this is a mutually beneficial arrangement, the Chinese get influence and secure supply-lines while regions who partake see economic development and rising standards of living.

Basically the CIA (or whoever) tried to create "Asian ISIS" to disrupt rival economics. To some extend it worked because there were a lot of terror attacks in Xinjiang. The Chinese countered that by flooding the major city and industrial hub in that region with police and security overkill. That is very expensive and suffocating for the residents and to some degree this was a minor victory for the CIA-terror campaign because they managed to degrade socio-economic efficiency. But overall the Chinese won that round because the Belt and Road project was not disrupted.

This is not where this story ends, most of the people who got sucked up into "Asian ISIS" belonged to a group that is called Uighurs. And the Chinese began rounding up a lot of them and stuffed them into re-education camps. Basically a closed boarding-school for adults. These people obviously were deprived of their freedom, however making them go to skill training courses and accompanying educational lectures, isn't the same as Nazi extermination camps , which was the propagandist deception in the mainstream media. False claims of upto 2 million dead were made based on testimony of some guy called Adrien Zense (unsure about the spelling). That lie was too big. The mainstream media looked like massive bafoons for just making up a genocide where there was none. They shifted the narrative to "cultural genocide". The amount of eye-rolling that induced globally, caused so much friction-heat form billions of eyeballs rubbing against skull sockets that it probably contributed to climate-change.

Side-note: Adrien Zense was a total nut-job who also claimed to be on a holy mission to bring down the CCP. I'm still wondering what the Canadian Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>485145
>Basically the CIA (or whoever) tried to create "Asian ISIS" to disrupt rival economies.
Sounds like something Obama would do.

>However there are attacks on digital freedom in the west
If Elon hadn't bought Twitter there would be no major western platform to discuss the Palestinian situation without Zionist censorship.

>>485147
>If Elon hadn't bought Twitter there would be no major western platform to discuss the Palestinian situation without Zionist censorship.
relevant vid from Glenn Greenwald
https://rumble.com/v5jurup-system-update-flashback-the-west-embraces-online-censorship.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
The thing is tho, if the censorship gang is siding with the Zionists, they're likely going to be considered complicit in the genocide. At least that's how it went historically with such cases. And then censorship will get politically burned and it goes back into the box for 50 years. The dynamic is not new.

To some extend it also depends on the outcome of the fighting. Israel can't win this, if they don't quit now and call it a draw, they're gonna get a crushing defeat, which would collapse the Zionist lobby. If they're the driving force behind the censorship, it'll go away with them.

>>485136
They do if you actually engage in conversation on the site. Redditors are almost universally opposed to public housing, non-austerity fiscal budgeting, rent control, degrowth, decoupling of labor from survival, ending private land ownership, and healthy skepticism of corporate media

>>485034
Maybe dats cuz your fucking uyghuruyghurs on the parliamental payroll have completely lost their fucking credibility by showing off th@ no good goy in the gubbmint can actually change shit 4 the part of soyciety they somehow represent? Fucking uyghur kys faggot uyghur uyghur uyghur uyghur uyghur.
Cocksucking fucks who you call your fellow humoids are doing the same shit they did back @ the outbreak of the 1st imperialist slaughterfest - cuck down to the gr8 [woe]man of the hour who can save the crumbling system right from the tv set, you just have 2 behave like a good goy & w8 until our grorious military will crush the subhumans from the neighbouring shithole & take their unjustly owned stuff. Let the bloodthirsty fucking cattle perish in billions, lest they will think th@ new hitler really did save them.

>>485145
>uyghurs? LE CIA-AAAAAAAACK
Th@ vietanon nutsoy faggot had something very different 2 say on this matter, specifically about mujahideen training camps built by ccp 4 their fight with ruzzoid red imperialism. Keep tearing your ass apart further, bottom.

Which of these actually deals with socialism?

>>485056
Neither

>>485063
retard

>>485068
Gaddafi was a racist islamist and Mao was an anti working class counterrevolutionary.

>>473060
>Muh magatards
>I'm not psyoped, you're psyoped x 10
What a faggot

He would have been convicted way sooner if Dems didn't think he was their golden goose to stay in power. Dems poll awful against almost every candidate except Trump.

>>484994
>He would have been convicted way sooner if Dems didn't think he was their golden goose to stay in power.
Convict him of what? After 8 years of investigations and impeachments and lies and propaganda they ended up convicting him of putting a business expense in the wrong tax category. The only rational explanation at this point as to why the richest and most powerful people in the establishment hate him so much is precisely because he is so clean they have nothing to blackmail him with.

>>484726
>If I was the leader of Iran and the US assured me that I could retaliate and the US wouldn't attack me, it would have little bearing on what decision I made.
I think the previous case of a "choreographed theatrical retaliation" where the Iran negotiated the details and timetables of the attack with the US could have become a blue-print for defusing escalations. While in the end it did not work, it was definitely worth the attempt of turning war-fare in a spectacle without much real destruction. It's a shame the jedi-mind trick didn't work on the warmongers.

Iran now seems to be aiming for a strategy of degrading Israel's offensive capabilities. Like damaging air-bases. While they currently are on a wave cadence, I think they'll end up on a constant slow attrition strategy that puts pressure on Isreal's re-supply. The US and most of the western weapons industry is having difficulties of organizing timely production of those very complex weapons systems, because of the neo-liberally eroded industrial base. Slowly depleting the offensive potential also was the strategy of the Russians during the middle part of the Russian-Nato-proxy-war in Ukraine.

>>484731
History does not repeat nor tolerate the present state Israel wishes to impose on it.

With what Iran is building up, I would not be surprised if they flatten Israel and rain hellfire, and US looks the other way.

>>484734
I don't think Iran really intends to "flatten" Isreal. They're looking for deterrence primarily, and if they can't have that they'll attempt to destroy Isreal's capacity to attack other countries in the region, while preserving Isreal's viability as a state.

They do have the fire-power to obliterate Isreal, but that won't come into play unless Isreal tries to use nukes. Some of the ultra Zionist hardliners want to use nukes in Lebanon, not because it serves a military objective, but rather as an attempt to intimidate.

If that happens Iran would switch it's economy to a war-time command economy, begin underground nuclear weapons testing and start continuously hammering Israel with conventional weapons, this time with the aim of destroying Isreal's viability as a state. I.d.k. if the US pulls out and looks away, but it's definitely possible, it's not worth it for the US to throw down on behalf of Israel, not economically and especially not politically.

At the moment this scenario is not very likely, the US military probably would act resolutely to frustrate any use of nuclear weapons they haven't approved. The other factor, as Alexander Mercouris puts it: "Russia's long shadow descending upon the middle east", is changing the power equation in a major way.

>>484797
What's grosser than the turd was the way the foreskin was peeling outward over the glans.
Also, something tells me that turd was fake.

>>484978
<There were reportedly 15 people in the house, seven of them children, including the man’s mother, a lawful permanent resident of the United States.

<In an effort to rescue the survivors, the family contacted Israeli authorities, providing them with the residential address and GPS coordinates of their home to arrange for the safe passage of an ambulance. However, the Israeli military apparently used that information to bomb the house a second time and then targeted the ambulance as it attempted to rescue the survivors, killing the doctor and several children.
They bombed the house a second time to make sure nobody digs out a US passport out of the rubble, also spite.

The moral of the story is that if you give GPS coordinates to the Israeli and tell them a story about people in need, they will bomb those coordinates. That is a critical operational flaw in the Israeli military. Because it means that some random schmuck can direct where they drop bombs. That includes feeding them bogus targets to just make them waste ammo pounding inert rubble.

Blumenthal was right Zionism makes people stupid.

A sophisticated adversary that can coordinate complex operations might be able to manipulate them to bomb their own soldiers. If they pick a real fight with Iran …

>>484980
You are correct in your historical analysis, but the experience of the last 20 years probably has eliminated the possibility of consent for another middle eastern war.

>>484980
Yeah this.

>>484982
They're 100% about to try it and will go through with it within the next year provided they aren't stopped through direct action & mass organization. Propaganda can be very powerful, there will be a lot of people going war-mad over night. It actually will be ill-advised… like, most people still will not want war with Iran, but most people aren't in command of the US military. We're about to see some more really horrible shit going down.

https://twitter.com/simpleesimi/status/1846107815900778924
Snipers on the roof at Israel vs. Italy game.

New thread: >>484995

>>484965
>it's like voting for Teddy Roosevelt in 1912
Over Eugene Debs?

>>484965
>it's like voting for Teddy Roosevelt in 1912
The comparison is actually more on the nose than you probably realize. In the sense that Teddy's campaign in 1912 was another one of those celebrity campaigns relying entirely on the popularity and reknown of the candidate to generate excitement. Teddy's presidential run in 1912 was the closest anyone has ever gotten to breaking through the two-party system in the US. And what happened when he failed to win? His Progressive Party collapsed overnight. Eugene Debs's Socialist Party, on the other hand, thrived for about another decade as an organized grassroots party until they fractured in response to the Russian Revolution.

Cornel West is a celebrity candidate without even an organized party behind him, and much like Roosevelt, whatever "organization" he'll have built during his campaign is going to collapse the moment he loses.

Why would you support this kind of celebrity-oriented, in-the-moment electoralism when it has been a demonstrable failure over and over throughout US history?

>>484970
I prefer Roosevelt to Debs.

>>484971
Because like Roosevelt or Debs he is a candidate who I feel is exceptional. I don't care if his organization won't continue to live on. Because even if it did live on after his loss I doubt it'd ever be able to break through the two party system.

You know what would scare the shit out of the elites? If no one shows up to their "elections".

>>484975
>I prefer Roosevelt to Debs.
So you're not a leftist.

>>484941
>If you wanted to end monopolies, it would start with circumventing their actions.
As far as the cure for that high blood-sugar ailment is concerned, it already happened. The pharma monopolies couldn't prevent Chinese scientists from inventing this, so they got circumvented. I mean if it's half as good as the early results are suggesting, it'll get used by pretty much everyone who's afflicted no matter what the monopolists do.

>>484894
UBI in a capitalist system will just make them raise prices to compensate. If they know they can exploit people harder then they will, like how they used COVID as an excuse to jack up prices.

>>484951
That is true, but that could be counteracted by price controls. If there were enough people who depended on UBI, the politics would likely change and price-controls would happen to some extend.

I don't know if that development would be desirable, and my point is that there's always a counter tendency.

>>484952
The idea people are natural entrepreneurs who love using money and starting small businesses just b because they are given free money is retarded.

The state forcing people to work is the only reason people are even using USD.

>>484959
>The idea people are natural entrepreneurs who love using money
I guess you're not wrong. Monetary thinking definitely does not come natural to most people, it has to be drilled into people. The least unnatural form of accounting might be counting labor-time and material resources.

But i do think that there is something like an entrepreneurial spirit, but in a more general sense of trying to organize groups of people to build something. There is extreme ideological distortion going on of course. And in some sense, neo-liberal talk about entrepreneurs is double-speak, because what their system does is deeply demoralizing to what they have identified as the entrepreneurial subject.

>The state forcing people to work is the only reason people are even using USD.
The state and taxation plays a role by forcing everybody to use the same money, but MMT makes claims that go much further than that.

Marx makes three statements about money
1. it's the universal commodity
2. it's controle over labor-time
3. it's a veil that obfuscates the real social relations

Maybe we could simplify the differences between Marx and MMT thusly:
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Hypnotherapy is not a trivial thing. It is impossible to undo the damage by any re-education. There is only managing the livestock once it takes root. No "awakening" changes this once they internalize this many lies, in the way they were made to do so.

That said, compliance is no longer an option, and all of the compliance with COVID was premised on fear and marking down the enemies of the "Jehad". It was inevitable after what you allowed to happen in the 1990s. The eugenists brag that you were operating the death camps and couldn't stop them. A Satanic race cannot change.

Propaganda is a helluva drug, but good teaching and persuasion principles apply here. Use the Socratic Method, lean into evidence whenever possible, develop a habit of tactfully reminding people when their assertions haven't been supported enough to be arguments. When someone realizes that they can't support their own beliefs in a friendly, non-confrontational setting, that's when the conditioning starts to break down.

Have you consodered tgat most sheeple are "truthseekers" like you and hence why theyre the easiest to dupe?

The game of mass deception is avhievable because of "alternative" media.
Most "alternative" media spreads the same biases as their respective mainstream counterparts.

In fact, alot of alternative news media are indirectly corporately owned.

Even if not, most "truthseekers" are unable to read further than pop culture cliches.

>>484586
I've found more common ground with conservative and libertarians than the liberal types where I live. Libs will smugly and self-righteously support literal fascism and talking to them has been largely a waste of my time and a test of my patience.