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How do I become a better socialist? Having dealt with the American healthcare system for the past 3 years, I can't even begin to bring myself to defending capitalism anymore. It doesn't create a better product or service; It just makes for a more conniving business strategy and if, by chance, that creates a better product… All the better for THEIR bottom line.

Had enough; What do I have to do to bring about a socialist utopia?


americans are getting shot as we speak




But, seriously, OP you need to study theory and just do everything you can to try and convince average workers that the path forward is socialism. Get good at arguing your points, read das capital, don't stop or give up even when the odds seem incalculable. Just keep going forward.

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Seriously, what the fuck is the assholes problem? How deep are the hands in his pockets? up his ass?


i don't know who it is


It's Lindsey Graham, he's a US senator and he is such a massive fucking corporate cuck. I have never seen such cuckoldary before.


You don't have to watch the whole thing but listen to his rebutle to sanders.

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The Crypto market is crashing and hard.
General thread for crypto crash 2022



Perhaps you could explain what appeals to you about cryptocurrency that makes this event so meaningful for you.


are you a crypto bro?
It's fun to watch these people loose money.


just HODL until the next peak, what's the problem?


I just bought in actually. Should start making some real money now

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What's the point in having science and scientists if all you people are going to do is cherry-pick the stuff you agree with and toss out the stuff that you don't?

You realize that you don't get to choose your own reality, right? There's only one reality and it's kinda sorta important to figure out what that reality is. That's how progress is made… Figuring out that reality and then designing procedures to best utilize that reality to solve the problems that our society faces.

I thought you so-called "intellectuals" would understand that fact. Apparently, you don't.
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What is "the truth" to a "3rd positionist?"


Read the rules before you post reactionary faggot.


the truth about how our world works (like wheter it is flat or globe, wheter there is a curve or not, etc etc) are the things that are:
1. observable
2. testable
3. repeatable
those 3 are the solution to things that are 100% true about our envirorment
history (before 2000's) cannot be 100% true, except for the Orthodox Bibles from Mount Athos and whatever the Vatican hides, there will always be some deviation, even if it is just slightly or simnificantly; while the history made after 2000's is true 100% in certain places that have audio-video cameras, the rest is can still be modified slightly or simnificantly. it all gets interpreted in any way one would like, which may deform the truth in one's mind, but still be the truth irl.

what is currently known as 3rd positionists are those that don't assimilate with any part of the "leftists" and "rightists" (aka 1st and 2nd positionists), as those are usa kikery manufactured politics. 3rd positionists are national socialists, christian/traditionalist fascists and such; 4th positionists are considered to be national bolsheviks.


If you do economics in a scientific way you basically get Marxism.

Don't take the bait, 3rd positionists originated in the era of cold war bipolarity. They wanted to be a third ideological pole or something. Since that period is long gone it doesn't make any sense anymore. After the Soviet dissolution there was a time of unipolar US hegemony and then it didn't make sense to call your self number 3 when there was no number 2. Today the unipolar moment in history is passing into the multipolar moment, and calling your self number 3 is also not very meaningful anymore, because it's just one of many.

There also was non-alignment in the cold war, which was a few countries that tried to stay out of the influence sphere of the US and the Soviets. That was distinct from 3rd positioning, because it was just a geopolitical strategy used by some countries to avoid getting wrecked by proxy wars between big powers.


anchored for bad faith.

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So there are some type of nano-chip that is smaller than rice, is black in colour and has GPS capabilities, you can't even notice it and we may have them inside ourselves.
1. they can see us from the sky with the St Satelite
2. they can track us with phones (can be blocked with faraday bags)
3. they can now track us with nano-chip (if you deny this, then deny that while we in 1950's we couldn't even access advanced cameras, while the army had Ultra-High Quality infrared cameras on their Air-to-Air missiles, the army has technology far ahead of anything we have, they have supercomputers the size of an office computer (talking bout the secret army, dug deep underground), which means that they already have tech beyond our comprehension)

NOTE: arround that size is the chip
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5G/6G antennas, they're built everywhere (did you check all of the antennas by yourself to check if they're actually 4G or 5G antennas, not 6G?) , it can be hidden in food easily, expecially with cakes as it can be hidden easily.

radiowaves can, in fact, work as a power source, didn't Teslea make wireless electricity? he did, it's not hard, you just need electricity, which we can get easily nowadays, as there are electrical sites everywhere emiting electricity, aka antenas.

the glowies aren't smart, they just can replicate and perfectionate inventions, they cannot come up with any, unless if from a non CIA uyghur.

phone privacy can be easily aquired with a small faraday bag and rooting, as well as developing an OS for le mobile phone.

you gay




cope and dilate

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What is leftychan opinion on forced vaccinations? I'm on the fence about it. On one hand I don't think workers should be loosing their jobs. On the other hand I think it's kind of selfish and stupid to be a fucking child about getting the poke when your inaction effects the lives of every one around you possibly with death.

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Actually, I have a full time job working in a bullet factory.
All my other family is dead. I'm basically an orphan now.
I am staying with some friends currently tho cause I lost my apartment.
That's how it goes under capitalism. Even with a good job I'm technically still homeless. Housing is fucking crazy in this day and age. My friend inherited the house he's in, so. Pretty much just lucky I'm not freezing to death right now.

I actually had a good relationship with my grandparents when they were alive though. You're pretty smug for some one who has no idea what they are talking about.


Your mother is calling. Tendies are ready.


First and foremost, an honest worker understands the gravity of the pandemic and recognizes the great societal suffering that has occurred and will continue to occur until the pandemic is resolved.

It is without question our duty to protect both ourselves and others from this pandemic by getting vaccinated. It should never have to come down to being "forced" but rather that we should be smart enough to voluntarily and eagerly become vaccinated for the greater good of the society.


Exactly. Forced vaccinations by the booj should be regarded with the same skepticism that eugenics is. In a state actually run by workers I would trust the healthcare system to conduct safety trials correctly and take the appropriate, science backed, measures.

Seriously it's simplistic but a lot of things can be thought of simply as: under communism good, under capitalism bad.

Like censorship for example.


Exactly a lot of people go on about "accepting science" but when science doesn't align with their ideology they disregard used science and then claim.that it isn't "real science" and grudge numbers and straight up lie to push their agenda.

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True low-cost universal healthcare will only be achievable when the population adopts scientifically valid practices, such as abolishing alcohol, cigarettes & marijuana.
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>They aren't purely negative
If it costs more than the benefit that they deliver, then of course it should be banned. What social and/or cultural benefit is there that outweighs the cost in human suffering and death?

There are no positive biological benefits to alcohol or tobacco. This is a falsehood perpetuated by the very industries who profit from these substances.

What is "freedom" if it comes at the cost of human and societal suffering? The health of society always outweighs individual freedoms. It always has and always will. Removing alcohol and tobacco enhances a society, not detracts from it, much the same as removing lead from gasoline or asbestos from insulation.


Just say you want Eugenics, because that's whst you really mean by "scientifically valid". Prohibition policies were usually brought in alongside eugenics policies, because the "prohibition" was selectively enforced specifically to protect the eugenic interest.

If you wanted to wipe out the drug trade, you could do so very easily within a generation. It'd be bloody, but far less bloody than the eugenics you've been pointing to. The reason why this doesn't happen is because the authorities quite like the proliferation of drugs, because it reduces the population and dulls their ability to resist eugenic rule. Only a concerted effort to restore actual virtue among the people would be effective in the long term. But, the drug trade, which has always been protected and coddled and is by no means the natural order, that could be stamped out very easily. Civilized countries put down heroin and cocaine dealers like dogs and don't think twice about it. Simply doing that would stamp out the worst of the problem in short order, then you rehabilitate the existing addicts and show a different way of life is possible. Rehabilitation is anathema to everything Eugenics stands for, which is why such an obvious strategy is rejected. But that is the only thing which has ever seriously improved outcomes against the drug culture, or the flesh trade, or any other vice.

Anyway, you could treat the heart conditions caused by smoking and alcoholism very cheaply, even if smoking were as common as it was in the first half of the 20th century. This was not a problem in that time, and life expectancy kept increasing even with a large part of the adult population smoking like chimneys. Usually the treatment plan involved telling the patient to stop smoking, and a decent number of people did exact that without any overbearing manager telling them. There are people every day that quit smoking because it's bad for their health, or because it's too expensive, or because they're sick of being dependent on nicotine. Eugenic society generally tells people there is no escape from vice and addiction, because their entire moral philosophy is premised on addictive behaviors - that's what utilitarianism is, and why they're such abominable lizard-people. That's why Eugenics and neoliberalism advance these peculiar narratives around drugs, glorifying the drug culture and this philosophical idea of pleasure and pain and ignoring the actual people who live through this shit. It was kPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Want to know why healthcare is so expensive? It's all the lawyers, bureaucracy, managerialism, and bullshit put into it. A large part of "health care" is psychiatric policing that has nothing to do with helping anyone, certainly not the people who are forcibly injected with drugs. The health systems of neoliberalism are designed to destroy people and force them through a rigamarole for even basic things. It's so absurd that anyone thinks the Obamacare regime or the Eurotrash regime are any way to improve peoples' health or lives. It is the descendent of the eugenicist mindset that makes health this political question in the first place. There's no solution to health care until people have control of their lives back from the technocratic managers, if such a thing is possible. Everything that is at all good about the present situation exists because people have to, out of necessity, take care of themselves. "Society" and certainly the state aren't there to help them, and have gone out of their way to ensure that the healthcare (eugenics) question is an intractable one. It would be simple to hire a sufficient number of doctors - and most of the people you deal with aren't fully trained PhDs but medical techs, and the work they do could be trained by fucking community colleges. It's not like medicine is some arcane art that only geniuses can do. The supply of doctors and techs is kept deliberately low because the objective of the current "health" systems is eugenics. The whole point is to selectively treat people, and that's why I have to go through hell to even be seen. What you get for treating your heart depends entirely on your social class. That's why you see Senators get luxury treatment over every little thing, while my heart - which is clearly at a moderate stage of failure - is left untreated. I had to insist on something to even lower my cholesterol and they were giving out the minimum dosage possible. I need my fucking arteries cleaned out. But "priorities" and all that…


This is literally "I don't drink and therefore neither should you" but I think either life should be made so amazingly good that you don't need substances or you should quit it with enforcing stupid rules. Like of course the working class is going to continue drinking, look at what happened last time it was banned.



This is the only real take.

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fixed the got meme that's making the rounds


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can someone male a left wing version of this meme


I'm not a Holodomor=intentional genocide type, but a 3% mortality rate in gulags is 10x current US prison rate, so i wouldn't call it "roughly equal".


It's already leftwing


>muh white grievance

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Do you support the taliban? From reading comments here I've seen some support for them but idk if it's people trolling or /Pol/yps

What are your thoughts?

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They killed Naji so they can rot in hell for all I care


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>daily fail


I do not support the Taliban because they are not governing based upon scientific principles. A proper socialist government must always defer to scientific truths and the people governed should eagerly adhere to those laws. I see neither such reality in Afghanistan under the Taliban rule.


I don't really agree with this because there are important concepts to humans such as freedom that can't really be measured by any scientific theory. Of course we should always relegate and listen to the sciences to guide us as people as this is a tried and true tested methodology, but,some things are not so simple and this is why the open forum exists.


>Do you support the taliban?
The US funded and armed the Taliban in the 80s to overthrow the Government the Soviets put into place in Afghanistan. You have to ask the American rulers why they thought getting the Taliban into power was better. Maybe the Soviets would have been able to set up a modern and secular governance in Afghanistan. With enough industrial development, that may have worked, i guess we'll never find out.

The US occupation didn't try to do enough industrial development, for it to have a chance at modernizing and secularizing afghan society, they went a more colonial rout of using bribes to set up vassals and comprador aristocrats. And that wasn't going to work in the modern age. It was always going to end up like it did. Afghanistan was producing 80% of the worlds opium, right before the US invasion opium production dropped to almost nothing because the Taliban banned drugs. After the US invasion opium production got restored. One wonders if that had something to do with it.

>I don't really agree with this because there are important concepts to humans such as freedom that can't really be measured by any scientific theory.
Why not ?
I doubt that people will really agree on a definition for freedom, but it doesn't mean you can't have a scientific understanding about how societies struggle to define concepts. The capitalists define freedom as what ever lets them steal surplus from the workers. You can imagine why the workers would feel more free when they can keep more of the surplus they produce. This is not the only dimension how societies struggle about freedom, but it's an example of how a scientific approach would work. Another example would be how currently the ruling class is trying to control the narrative, they are trying to re-define freedom of speech as a narrow range of discourse they find acceptable. And obviously most other people object to having their expression dampened, by such machinations.

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>Marine Le Pen open to appointing leftists if she wins French presidency

<“I could very well have people, for example, from the Chevènement left, in other words a sovereigntist left, a left which supports re-industrialisation, the defence of our great industries,” she told RTL radio.

<“There are lots of people on the left who are attached to French secularism — which fits well, it’s a fundamental issue for me — who are attached to education and are very opposed to the way in which Emmanuel Macron is planning to destroy schooling,” Le Pen said.
<“There are lots of people attached to the civil service, when Emmanuel Macron is in the process of sinking the state,” she added. “Those people could equally be part of my government.”

So it increasingly appears that the upcoming french election will embody the "neoliberalism vs everyone else" attitude that is growing in liberal democracies across the world.
Macron, the firmly centrist neoliberal candidate, is all but guaranteed a place in the second round; but who his rival will be has been uncertain throughout the past few months. Zemmour, Le Pen, Melenchon, all oppose Macron's laissez faire, europhile, small-government views for their own reasons and have all seen surges in the polls. And crucially their voters disapprove of Macron's ideas too, meaning that whoever does take on Macron in the second round will need to appeal to both the far-right and ideologically socialist sections of the electorate to be in with a chance of winning.

As Marxists, we should be hoping that this situation forces socialists like Melenchon to address the concerns of the large right-wing voting working class, who have been disillusioned from the left because of issues such as immigration, liberal idpol, the EU and sovereignty. Hopefully getting the European left back on track and focusing on what really matters after an extended period of decline and decadence. However, this is almost certainly wishful thinking. The most likely scenario is that we end up with a Macron v Le Pen second round.

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No to Macron and Le Pen! For an active boycott of the 2022 French elections!
>The PES proposes to workers and youth not to vote in the elections and to advocate a conscious political rejection of the poisoned choice between Macron and Le Pen.

Very informative analysis of French politics and class struggle!

In reading this article, French elections gave me a flashback to US electoral farce. The dual between Macron and Le Pen reminded of Trump versus Hilary Clinton. Mélenchon plays the role of Bernie Sanders. It is more or less the identical scenario with different actors resulting in the same outcome: the French working class interests sacrificed.

Macron, a former banker, and Marie Le Pen are establishment candidates and both serve the French ruling class. Macron is nicknamed 'Le Petit Napoleon', the diminutive Napoleon, as he rules with an iron fist. Marie LePen is a fascist. Like Trump, she appeals to anti-immigrants and anti-Muslims.bigots. Neither candidate represents the working class.

Melenchon is the French version of the American Bernie Sanders. He also asked his supporters to switch their votes to Hilary Clinton, the anti-Russian warmonger, after he was conspired against by the Democratic party. Many of his followers refused to endorse her.

Macro has had a tumultuous experience as president of France. He angered Algeria, a former colony, by criticizing its government resulting in Algeria closing its airspace to French airplanes. He was also outplayed in Mali by Putin, ending with the French exiting Mali. Then Macron was humiliated by the submarine deal where France lost a 10 Billions contract to USUKAUS plot against France. To make matters worse, he was slapped by a French citizen during a campaign.

French politics mirrors that of the US in so many ways. Le Pen is not anti-Russian so was Trump. Macron pursued almost the same policies Hilary would have enacted had she been elected, She was a staunch opponent of Putin. There are differences between France and US politics of course.
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Thank you WSWSanon


Le Pen seems like someone amerimutts would call a commie because of her economic positions. Her any day over Macron definetly.


I mean yes, but also, I wont invest a lot of energy arguing about the minute differences of two liberal political candidates.


By god, La Pucelle please win.

Please win.

Sauve la France!

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