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 No.473105[Reply]

In terms of the landscape of knowledge, information, and ideology, is pic related, along with kayfabe, a more apt metaphor than the matrix.
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 No.473106

In the Truman-show the environment is fake, but it physically exists, while in the Matrix the environment sort off doesn't exist.

Maybe it'S a mix of both.
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 No.473107

>>473106
Both feature a sort of curated reality which, if one accepts, they feel inclined to defend.

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 No.473091[Reply]

>"muh grandma is a victim x that mean my narrative of x is true and i know anything. if you disagree then you deny my grandpa die ?!?!?!. and you deny anything happend at all!!!!!".

people who have said to be from X country or have X country done something to them is still influence by lie & manipulation & deception. infact if its about some country that clash with the biggoybad mentality of the world it will always be influence.

fuck all victim story user. they all should be hanged in the middle of town. we should have a culture of shaming when it comes to them. they should all be publicly humiliated.

>what about le holocos vectem!!

i do not give a damn just because they/they're people are a victim of ethnic cleansing but with flamboyant brutality. fuck them too. the only reason they are tolerated is because they can be use to fight anti-communist and anti stalin/ussr propaganda. other than that they are fully responsible & is the main pillar of the victim-story and atrocity-story and the culture that cradle them.

once the revolution happen all victim story user and their group should be round up and killed. no matter if it's victim of the communist or the nazi or even a victim of non-people like natural disaster or virus or etc.

it is ridiculous the amount of protection & pampering & how we give them power at all.

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 No.473038[Reply]

Here is an article about Bill Gates sounding like a comic-book villain
https://slaynews.com/news/bill-gates-every-person-earth-should-prove-their-identity-digital-id/
TLDR: he complains that not enough people have digital IDs and he shills his product to IDtag more people.

At best this sounds like a conspiracy to commit massive crimes against privacy, but also a megalomaniac billionaire trying to control people. By the way the first group to use computers to catalog people were the Nazis, they bought IBM punch-card computers for the holocaust logistics. Not sure if that's a structural problem. Maybe there is a bad tendency to put people on lists and that should not be amplified with technology or something.

Anyway once they try turning IDs into digital control-collars, people will grow to absolutely despise ID systems. And that means IDs will become a ideological liability. So i'm thinking we should consider making cyber-socialism work without IDs.

We could treat cyber-socialism like a computer system for civilization that people can access via anonymous accounts tied to cryptographic-key-gadgets that lack any identification data. Such a key would give people access to government services and the economy. People would obviously be able to get multiple keys. That can work to our advantage, if people spread their important life stuff over a dozen keys there would be a lot more redundancy and the equivalent of ID-loss, ID-theft and Fake-ID would be less dramatic. There would also be less incentive to steal/fake those keys.

Anybody have objections to this scheme ?
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 No.473042

>>473041
I can see where people are coming from with this argument, but, it never really made sense to me. All the class dichotomies still exist just as they did in the industrial revolution. Not a lot really has changed.

Those who have nothing to sell but their labor power: Working class

Those who live off the labor of others: Bourgeoisie.

there's nuances, but, everyone on earth falls into these two classes of people.
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 No.473043

>>473042
I agree with you that capitalist class relations are still in effect.

But your definitions are kinda sloppy.
First there still are roughly .5 billion people living off subsistence farming, they neither are bourg, nor are they selling their labor-power.

Second "Those who live off the labor of others" is also true for children, old people, workers in the reserve army of labor, sick people and the hobo going to the soup-kitchen. None of these people are bourgeois. Maybe it would be better to define the bourgeoisie by private surplus appropriation ?
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 No.473050

>>473043
Even if some one is not selling their labor they still only have their labor to sell. rural peasants still meet this definition.
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 No.473051

>>473043
Also no because all those people don't live off capital. Maybe I was not clear enough.
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 No.473058

>>473051
Nope that isn't a robust definition either, some pension-funds are based on capital investment, and technically that means retired workers would be living off capital. Some workers are payed in stock-options, it's not very common but in theory they could potentially replace wages with some sophisticated form of stock options. There are orphanages that are funded by passive capital income and technically that would mean those parrentless children would count as bourgeoisie.

<private surplus appropriation
still seems like a more robust definition.

It seems like you are trying to avoid using the Marxist concept of surplus
Can you explain why ?

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 No.473025[Reply]

<Style in work.

>I am not referring to literary style. What I have in mind is style in work, that specific and peculiar feature in the practice of Marxism-Leninism which creates the special type of Communist worker. Marxism-Leninism is a school of theory and practice which trains a special type of Party and state worker, creates a special Communist style in work.

>What are the characteristic features of this style? What are its peculiarities?

>It has two specific features :

>a) Chinese revolutionary sweep and

>b) American efficiency.

>The style of Marxism-Leninism consists in combining these two specific features in Party and state work.

>Chinese revolutionary sweep is an antidote to inertia, routine, conservationism, mental stagnation and slavish submission to ancient traditions. Chinese revolutionary sweep is the life-giving force which stimulates thought, impels things forward, breaks the past and opens up perspectives. Without it no progress is possible.
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 No.473026

There are "leftists" who will say tank man was the bad guy.
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 No.473027

>b) American efficiency.
kek, amerikkkans are fat, lazy and dumb though
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 No.473029

>>473025
Deng probably was correct about a lot of things, but he shouldn't have undone the iron-bole policy. And arguably he overshot with the market liberalizations, China almost entered a crisis cycle and almost created a big bourgeoisie that got pretty close at destabilizing the Chinese economy.

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 No.369405[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

While there are surely some people interested in Maoism on /leftypol/, the tendency has no noticeable presence here. From my observation Maoism has been gaining traction in socialist communities online recently. Though the ideology's influence is still relatively small, I'm optimistic that we're witnessing the earlier stages of Maoists winning leadership in the movements of the working class which will result in the reconstitution of Communist Parties guided by MLM. I started this thread to spur investigation and discussion amongst potential comrades.

Why Maoism? https://tjen-folket.no/index.php/en/2019/08/14/why-maoism-what-is-maoism/
"Maoism is developed in the first place by six great communist leaders: Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Gonzalo."
"The rightist line led China back to capitalism, and dismantled the dictatorship of the proletariat into a fascist state. (…) But the cultural revolution and Mao Zedong Thought inspired millions of people all over the world, and led to the creation of a number of new communist parties on a revolutionary basis. They started people’s wars in Peru, India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Nepal."
"Gonzalo and the PCP maintain that Mao’s mass line, the line for the protracted people’s war and the line for the cultural revolution are the foremost examples of Maoism’s universal applicability, along with Maoism’s advancement of Marxism’s philosophy and economy."
"Gonzalo Thought is Maoism applied to the concrete conditions for revolution in Peru, but it is the universal conclusions in these thoughts that apply to the rest of the world."

Maoist Resources:
http://www.marx2mao.com/
http://www.massline.org/
https://www.bannedthought.net/
https://struggle-sessions.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/catsaysmao/comments/mahczm/mega_thread_on_maoism_and_a_debunk_of_all_of_the/
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 No.461564

The PPW specifically refers to the military strategy for a semi-feudal country, with nowhere near the level of communications a modern imperialist state has. In our world(let's be honest maybe like one of you doesn't live in an imperialist country), where legions of cops or soldiers can go to any location in the country in a matter of hours(especially if you live in burgerland), what is the new military strategy of the proletariat then?

This is not to say to discredit all of MLM and its thought, simply the idea that "PPW is universal", which generalizes the term beyond all meaning.
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 No.461613

>>461564
It has been so long since PPW has had any success whatsoever, that I think that it can be safely consigned to military history.
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 No.469133

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For the burger anons out there, what do you think about the thought expressed in Red Pages? I find their criticisms expressed about the application of PPW in imperialist nations pretty potent, but of course that could just be due to ignorance on my part.
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 No.469161

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 No.472971

The previous attempts of applying MLM to the first world including the work of the Black Panthers and Young Lords did lead to pressuring the bourgeois state into producing many social programs once the proletariat saw what was possible, but at the same time the direct action groups(the Young Lords in particular) were directly limited by the meddling of the local street gangs.

It is obvious that the drug-peddling gangs and the state police force are the two utmost forces to struggle against for the party; the mass base tactics applied in the Philippines come to mind as an interesting solution to their grasp over these neighborhoods, so much so that I'm certain someone else has tried it first. Is there any theory published around attempts to build a people's army by in first world conditions as of recent? Most armed groups that I'm aware of are usually anarchist explicitly or implicitly(such as Redneck Revolt), so I'm curious of a specifically Maoist solution.

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 No.472361[Reply]

Which burger dark horse outsider presidential candidate are you stanning this election cycle, and why is it pic related?
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 No.472944

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No wonder every media outlet smears this guy so hard. He names names
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 No.472945

>>472944
Shame he's a Zioncuck.
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 No.472949

>>472945
Never understood the attempts by politicians to cozy up to Israel. As a friend/ally, they're about as trustworthy as the US itself.
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 No.472950

>>472361
Cornel West
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 No.472951

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>>472950

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 No.472828[Reply]

In the Marxist sense, what class do people who work in the diversity and equity field belong to? Proletariat? Petty-bourgeoisie? PMC? Something else?

I'm a retard. Help me figure it out.
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 No.472836

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Idol sisters… I don't feel so good..
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 No.472925

>>472828
labor aristocracy
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 No.472926

>>472828
PMC is not a class. It's a meme from reactionary settler angry that capitalism isn't working FOR THEM.
Nurses are considered PMCs for God's sake.
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 No.472929

>>472926
Source?
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 No.472930

>>472926
>PMC is not a class
True.
The PMC acronym used to mean professional military contractor.
It would have been better to say PMS - Professional Managerial Strata, to avoid the overlap
But it appears that the PMC label stuck, so the next best choice is PMC - Professional Managerial Cast

>settler
Settlerism is almost extinct, it still exists in a few places like in Palestine where Zionists are trying to displace Palestinians. The attempt at turning this into a cultural identity is ruling class divide and conquer idpol. It's super reactionary.

>angry that capitalism isn't working for them
Most opposition to capitalism tends to be motivated by self-interest.

>Nurses are considered
Service workers, and repairing people is considered productive work.

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 No.2325[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

As asked by these users
>>1017224
>>1017227
>>1017239
>>1017242
Decided to make an Africa General
Some more or less /ourguys/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_(Algeria)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPLA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congolese_Party_of_Labour
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Rally_for_Progress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Progressive_Party_(Guyana)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_Socialist_Movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRELIMO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAPO
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 No.471575

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>>471569
>It's always better to make things worse
I have to say your political program is utter dogshit.

>What happened to leftoid extremism?
Today pretty much all extremisms are based on politics that generate or maintain extreme wealth differentials between the super-rich and the rest of society. Another way to frame is that extremisms spring from various attempt of imposing or upholding the imposition of extreme wealth differentials.

Communist, socialists and leftists generally do not accept these politics and hence the more economically left you go the less extreme your politics become.
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 No.471589

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>>471575
This is very true and the older I have gotten the more I have begun to understand and accept this.
Take smashing windows for exampke; Smashing windows and riot porn were some of the first things that actually got me into left wing anarchism in the first place but as I got older I realized that most people are just extremely off put by this behavior and it actually gives the right more ammunition and is more self serving and ultra than anything. Now I tend to understand that this behavior actually enforces the mechanisms of capitalism by further emboldening reactionary ideology and giving more ammunition to our class enemies.
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 No.471642

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>>471589
And why are people off-put by this behavior?
Granted, most people are lemmings, but many non-lemmings seem to hate this as well.
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 No.472317

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>>471568
Perhaps.
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 No.472916

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Wake up babe

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 No.472838[Reply]

Europe and US are seeing a dramatic increase of attacks against digital freedom. Those anti-laws violate the freedom from censorship, surveillance, political persecution as well as represent infringements on privacy, free expression, intellectual freedom and sometimes even personal property.

Those laws are blatantly illegal, and because of that they use deceptive language to obfuscate the criminal aspects. There usually is some cynical alibi feature like child protection, scam protection, and so on. Some very unfortunate people involved in these schemes definitely have genuine intend to seek some benefit for society, but it's probably mostly cynical, especially on the political side. All the double-speak crypto politics of these anti-laws make it a strange beast that is hard to describe accurately.

It appears that almost all the motivations for implementing these criminal structures are at present political, moral or ideological. But that will fade away over time, and what's going to remain will become a big digital protection racket, Imho. Mafia type economics seem by far the most likely economic-circuit to reproduce these structures. From a historical perspective there is a recurring theme where certain people unleash things like this and then it gets taken over and repurposed by other people.

I think overcoming all of this will be a long struggle, and in order for that to succeed, we have to take into account how that phenomenon will change over time. There also is uncertainty whether or not this is connected to tech monopoly capital trying to close off the internet.

In the past there were lots of protection rackets in meat-space, those seem to have gone away for the most part, how did that actually happen ?
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 No.472907

>>472901
>the chat control law
Would make the entire internet illegal, it's not possible to comply with this, and it's not possible to enforce it either.

What's the purpose of this, is this just ignorance and incompetence coming from old technology illiterate people or is there method to the madness ? Is this an attempt to break up the European Union by making it incompatible with the internet ?
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 No.472908

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>>472901
>But one little talked about consequence of the proposed law is that it makes practically all existing open source operating systems illegal, including all major Linux distributions.

<Update: Open source OSes might be saved from being covered depending on the interpretation of EU regulation 2019/1150 2.2.c.

<To be considered an online intermediation service it requires a contractual relationship between the service and any businesses using it. The open source licenses regulating the distribution of the software are legal agreements between the copyright holders and the distributors. Even so, a liberal interpretation might consider that not to count based on the nature of the agreements

Hmm there is an update in the article that says it might not apply to linux.
Anybody understand enough legalese to weigh in on this ?
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 No.472909

>>472838

This stuff is incredibly creepy, and I really hate how they coat it in "think of the children" rhetoric.
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 No.472910

>>472838
>incredibly creepy,
Indeed.

I dunno , maybe we should co-opt their rhetoric. All the holes they're trying to poke into privacy protecting measures could also be used by predators to attack children.

So how about
<Think of the children's privacy
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 No.472911

>>472910
meant for >>472909
dammit

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 No.472837[Reply]

<Rate this statement

I'm an oldfag. I was talking to an ancientfag. he said something that made me think: capitalism is best when it has robust social programs, education, and safety nets, and communism is best when it has markets and multiparty elections.

What do you guys think about that claim
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 No.472894

>>472837
>capitalism is best when it has robust social programs, education, and safety nets, and communism is best when it has markets and multiparty elections, and communism is best when it has markets and multiparty elections.

First statement: yes, absolutely.
Also, present-day capitalism produces enough that it could have robust social programs, capitalists just put a bunch of effort into scrapping them and crushing labor power. We would not be any more exploitative if we brought welfare back or had better public healthcare in America, workers in America would just be better off and the richest guys would have a little less in their treasure hoards. There is not a moral reward for American workers getting fucked over, we're just worse off than we need to be so a few capitalists can be richer than they already were. Capitalism is generally best with robust social programs, education, and safety nets - although I think you could one-up the previous-best by going after rentseeking.

Second statement: I'm nitpicking, but I don't think communism-with-markets-and-multi-party-elections has existed. Yugoslavia under Tito sounded very impressive, and I think it's a decent case for state market socialism, but I wouldn't call it communist personally.

>>472872
>exist only in your conspiratard rightoid feverish mind lol

Are you literally insane?
Not that anon, but what fucking universe are you from where neo-conservatism never happened? Are you posting from the 1950s?

Where the fuck does this site find these posters?
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 No.472903

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>>472894
>Are you literally insane?
Great, another dumbfuck leftoid is here to give his very important opinion lol

>muh rentseeking
lol

OF COURSE nazoid would obsess over some Big Other section of the bourgeoisie that is ruining everything in makret wonderland kek

funny little piece of historical trivia: one of the main arguments against Jews was that they were "rentseekers" too kek

I's like they make you in a lab or something lmao

>Yugoslavia under Tito sounded very impressive
Yes, very impressive with bending for dem IMF loans kek. Very impressive with unemployment in double digits even as a big part of your working population are migrating to the western Eurup.
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 No.472904

>>472903
>Omg the phrases you use can be twisted to sound like the phrases other people use
Midwit
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 No.472905

>>472904

That's being extremely generous.
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 No.472906

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>>472872
>muh bad
>nothing can build gommunism
You are wrong to adopt the boogie-man mentality from the media mainstream.
And nobody is claiming that countries like China achieved socialism, they consider them selves in the lower stages of building socialism.

>conspiratard
Conspiracies do happen all the time, how do you think ruling classes gain power and keep it. They conspire to make the institutions of society favor their class interests, push their agendas, spread their ideology and so on.

>Neocons
>it's just capitalists
Sure, they represent imperial capital, but it's still worth having that label, because the neocon flavor of imperialism has it's distinctive particularities that sets it apart from other flavors of imperialism. Compare the Neocons with the Victorians of the British empire for example. The former prefers to use covert military tactics, like arming terrorist groups or reactionary ethno nationalists. They go for indirect attack vectors like messing with economic flows. The latter was very different, the Victorians used very overt military tactics that could be described as bursting through the front door. They didn't bother much with indirect methods when it came to economics, they just installed occupation governments that forcefully changed economics matter by imperial dictates. Ideologically there is a big difference as well, the neocons have a justification-myth about democracy freedom and neoliberal social values. The Victorians pretended to be the """advanced civilizers""" that were uplifting """less evolved species of hominids""". Maybe that inspired the Prime Directive in Star Trek

>Ramblings about China
You seem to make 3 points.
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