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Is communism autistic? Anonymous 2022-03-07 (Mon) 12:04:56 No.454684 [Reply]

Think about it; We need to categorize nearly everything.
Plan everything ahead and cross every I and dot every T.
So yeah is communism autistic? Or are communists just generally more autistic than others?

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Anonymous 2022-03-07 (Mon) 12:11:56 No.454686

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>>454685
>No no you're not a communist cause I said so

What an utter faggot. What am I fucking wrong about? The whole point is to categorize the needs of workers and plan the economy out lmao. What's not autistic about that? Being autistic isn't necessarily a bad thing you know?

Anonymous 2022-03-09 (Wed) 19:26:52 No.454738

/pol/ is way more autistic

Anonymous 2022-03-09 (Wed) 19:49:26 No.454739

capitalism's autistic too … We should just abolish the economy so society is neurotypical again

Anonymous 2022-03-09 (Wed) 20:08:05 No.454740

>>454684
>Think about it; We need to categorize nearly everything.
>Plan everything ahead and cross every I and dot every T.
That's not wrong.
>So yeah is communism autistic?
Autism used to mean a mental disability that made it extremely hard to communicate with others. What you mean could as well be called rigorous and detail oriented thinking.

Anonymous 2022-03-09 (Wed) 21:45:46 No.454741

>>454740
I always thought that was an outdated way to look at it.

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I have a question for all the anti vaxx fags Anonymous 2022-03-08 (Tue) 16:11:48 No.454709 [Reply]

If you're on the left and you support anti vaxx and all this other shit: My question is "why?" Why do you support it. Really what is the point? You realize that if you are going to argue it's "freedom" or whatever you are basically arguing, tacitly, that freedom is consumption and that if people could just get back to consooming then things would just be alright again. Like no matter what you think if you think lockdowns are bad it begs the question "why?" And if you think they are bad because they restrict people's freedom (especially under our wonderful capitalist mode of production) then you are basically arguing that the endless consumption of commodities is freedom and that people should just return to that. You're basically no better than libertarians, kek.

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Anonymous 2022-03-09 (Wed) 15:02:19 No.454728

>>454709
First of all you don't "support" anti-vaxx if you don't trust an experimental injection like the mrna vaccines for covid19. Its on the people that make it to convince me that its safe (which they have failed to demonstrate with pfizer).

Regarding traditional vaccines I'm all for it.

Anonymous 2022-03-09 (Wed) 16:06:06 No.454729

>>454726
It's so funny you think that this is an argument. It's cute even. Literally 0.01% You're grasping at straws here because the vast majority of deaths are all from non vaccinated people as was what was implied since you have no sense of hyperbole.

I also would totally love to actually see the sources on these deaths and read the data sheets revolving around these people. You have nothing and this is totally cope.

>>454728

It's not experimental at all the vaccine has been done with clinical trials for 2 years now. There's no real difference in how the vaccines operate anyway at a fundemental level you people just refuse to understand science because you are shills for the capital establishment.

Anonymous 2022-03-09 (Wed) 16:09:41 No.454731

>>454729
In >>454712 you said nobody who has been vaccinated has died from covid.
In >>454724 you admit even the porky media says that's wrong.
So do you admit defeat or do you update your argument?

Anonymous 2022-03-09 (Wed) 16:27:13 No.454735

Me:
eating
You:
"dude wtf are you ding consuming commodities you piece of shit"

Anonymous 2022-03-09 (Wed) 19:09:18 No.454736

>>454731
There you doubling down. So predictable.

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Anonymous 2022-02-28 (Mon) 17:09:24 No.454571 [Reply]

Paul gives a disastrously bad answer to a very fundamental question about petty exchanges of second-hand goods under socialism.
https://youtu.be/LxANS7vkg68?t=1842

The presenter brings up a very strong example of wanting to sell an old guitar, and paul sidesteps the problem by appealing to the idea of a barter and gift economy. This is exactly the kind of thing that would have the average person feel like communism has taken away their freedom. It gets too close to the capitalist plan "You will own nothing and be happy"

This bothers me because this shouldn't even be a problem in the first place. Paul has already run into this problem with trade workers and come up with a brilliant solution. Allowing the self-employed to have a state bank account. It's only a matter of universalizing this so everyone could make transactions with each other. Would this open up a route for accumulation? Well, people could rip themselves off through unequal exchange, but the same would happen without a currency as well. Better lubricating these kind of petty transactions rather than trying to sideline them would result in a healthier and more productive economy.

One flawed counter-argument is that currency would enable "illegal" transactions like prostitution or gambling. The problem with this argument is that currency is not the problem in such a scenario. Its cutting your nose off to spite your face. Crime should be dealt with at the level of law enforcement, making it tougher by making all personal transactions tougher is only going to push people further into a black market. Leave it to the future city council to deal with crime, whether by education and rehabilitation, or letting the people's militia beat it out of them with sticks.

As for the fear of accumulation. There's a man that started with a paperclip, and only through barter he ended up owning a home
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_red_paperclip
Exactly as with illegal activity, this is something that has to be accounted for at the level of the law, and not simply suppressed or dismissed as an aberration of an otherwise perfect system. Making it harder isn't a solution.

Let's take a real world example. A black man whose name I can't remember had started a business outside a Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Anonymous 2022-03-01 (Tue) 22:30:27 No.454617

>>454609
Money and markets have existed for thousands of years before capitalism. We aren't dominated by them, we are dominated by capitalism. Capitalism's value expansion is more useful for a greater amount of people than previous modes of production. So whatever comes next has to be better at serving people.

I'm saying that because at the individual level, having cash-on-hand and immediate decision making, is more effective than having to enter the details of a transaction into a form. Plus the bigger issue of transactions on entirely new ventures that are beyond the form. New paradigms, innovation, etc.. This is exactly why having the means of production(including financing risk) in the workers hands can defeat capitalism. You don't need the new idea to be profitable for a capitalist to invest. Instead, an individual, a small group of individuals, or a commune, could agree to do it based only on social need.

But you lose that advantage if the control over production is completely centralized. People need access to credit. Not capitalist credit. I don't mean it in any idealistic or romantic sense. Very practically in all communities big and small "I owe you one" is a large part of the economy.

And the easiest solution is what cockshott already is doing in another place. Let everyone exchange labor notes. As long as theres no exploitation of labor in the production process(which is something that has to be policed, like slavery), the circuit of capital won't happen and capitalism can't come back. Not anymore than serfdom can come back now.

Anonymous 2022-03-02 (Wed) 12:12:23 No.454631

>>454617
You also could make it so the labor not s are only tied to your person and only you can spend them.

Anonymous 2022-03-03 (Thu) 08:12:44 No.454644

>>454616
>The thing is micro exchanges will happen under a socialist and communist economic system. Petty exchanges of goods are not our concern nore should they be.
Fair enough but why shouldn't we try to invent money-less economic tools for that too.

>I'm saying that because at the individual level, having cash-on-hand and immediate decision making, is more effective than having to enter the details of a transaction into a form.
Cybernetic bartering was meant as replacement for ebay where you trade in second hand goods. In general the socialist cybernetic planning system uses labor vouchers instead of money that does have immediate decision making like cash, it's just that the labor vouchers don't circulate like money, that means they are destroyed after they were used for a purchase.

>Plus the bigger issue of transactions on entirely new ventures that are beyond the form. New paradigms, innovation, etc.. This is exactly why having the means of production(including financing risk) in the workers hands can defeat capitalism. You don't need the new idea to be profitable for a capitalist to invest. Instead, an individual, a small group of individuals, or a commune, could agree to do it based only on social need.
The socialist cybernetics system will enable workers to have control over their workplace, that doesn't need money based financing. In fact a economic accounting system that uses accounting based on material resources and human labor input will be much better for this. But this isn't really related to trading second hand goods, because that doesn't involve any production.

>But you lose that advantage if the control over production is completely centralized.
In socialist cybernetics the only thing that will be centralized somewhat is calculating the economic planning, but the control over that will be collective. The places where people work will be less concentrated than in capitalism because cybernetics doesn't use anything like firms or companies, since there are no capitalists that need to put workers into economic boxes that can be bought and sold.

>People need access to credit. Not capitalist credit.
Why would we have credit in socialism ?Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Anonymous 2022-03-06 (Sun) 19:02:02 No.454676

>>454644
These situations already occur within cockshotts system and it doesn't make them commodities.

For example, if there's suddenly less sales of a certain shirt for whatever reason. First the shopkeeper lowers the labor price of the shirt which simultaneously sends a signal back to the production line to lower production. But if absolutely no more shirts are sold, then there's going to be a waste of shorts and a debt that society at large has to take on to cover. The production in the meantime is switched to something else, but the workers in that sector don't themselves take on the loss of labor, they're still given their notes for the work that turned out to not be needed.

So in the same way, if you give smaller entities access to credit and its just lost, the loss can be mitigated at various levels before the society wide one. individual, group, city, county, state, etc..

An hour of labor would remain an hour of labor, its just that a few, instead of everyone, would be responsible for allocating their labor unproductively. Which allows for faster and greater fluidity at these lower levels, not having to wait until everyone in the entire society agreed to include it into the grand plan.

For anyone familiar you are with military doctrines, there's a similar debate on how much top-down micromanaging should happen versus freedom to deviate at the lower levels where officers would be more aware of opportunities that need immediate decisions.

Anonymous 2022-03-07 (Mon) 02:18:08 No.454678

>>454676
>For example, if there's suddenly less sales of a certain shirt for whatever reason. First the shopkeeper lowers the labor price of the shirt which simultaneously sends a signal back to the production line to lower production. But if absolutely no more shirts are sold, then there's going to be a waste of shorts and a debt that society at large has to take on to cover. The production in the meantime is switched to something else, but the workers in that sector don't themselves take on the loss of labor, they're still given their notes for the work that turned out to not be needed.

The reason why this will work and not affect workers, is because on the system as a hole these instances will cancel out. And thus the system can maintain labor time values for workers. The workers that just happened to work the production chain with the less or more popular shirt design will not be punished or rewarded for random changes in consumer preference while the system is still able to adapt to changing consumer preference.

>So in the same way, if you give smaller entities access to credit and its just lost, the loss can be mitigated at various levels before the society wide one. individual, group, city, county, state, etc..
>An hour of labor would remain an hour of labor, its just that a few, instead of everyone, would be responsible for allocating their labor unproductively. Which allows for faster and greater fluidity at these lower levels, not having to wait until everyone in the entire society agreed to include it into the grand plan.
>For anyone familiar you are with military doctrines, there's a similar debate on how much top-down micromanaging should happen versus freedom to deviate at the lower levels where officers would be more aware of opportunities that need immediate decisions.

No this is not about management styles, like top down or micromanagement , there is not going to be management in socialist cybernetic systems, the Soviet technical intelligentsia that managed Soviet firms betrayed the proletariat, when they let the Soviet Union be dissolved. We're not going to repeat the mistake of allowing stratification to happen, there can be no group of people whose interests become separate from the iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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State of the Union Watch Party Old Cytube Admin 2022-03-02 (Wed) 01:29:16 No.454624 [Reply]

Hello everyone I'm organizing a State of the Union Watch Party tonight.

It begins at 9pm ET / 2am UTC.

I have attached a Bingo Card and Drinking Game Rules.

Come join the fun.

https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash

Anonymous 2022-03-02 (Wed) 17:58:51 No.454635

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Biden’s “State of the Union”: Confronting internal crisis, the American ruling class turns to war
>What emerges from Biden’s State of the Union speech above is that the campaign for war against Russia is being driven above all by the social and political crisis within the United States.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/02/pers-m02.html

Yes the growing social, and economical crisis in America has been further exacerbated by the Pandemic ever since the beginning of 2020. For this reason the ruling class factions know full well that this path will inevitably lead to an internal explosion, and that is precisely why they are now focusing their attention on war using Ukraine as a battleground state against Russia. All this is to force the public to shift their attention away from the growing internal upheaval. So Biden's so called unity speech now fits perfectly with this ongoing toxic environment.

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War is Peace Anonymous 2022-02-22 (Tue) 16:44:27 No.454466 [Reply]

Go on, now die for profits, for that is peace.

Anonymous 2022-02-22 (Tue) 19:11:26 No.454468

Who published this? Lol

Anonymous 2022-03-01 (Tue) 01:44:57 No.454588

>>454468
Cool it with the antisemitism, bucko

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Anonymous 2022-02-27 (Sun) 18:40:02 No.454557 [Reply]

Ukraina i Krym, Belarus' i Moldova
Eto moja strana!
Sakhalin i Kamchatka, Ural'skie gory
Eto moja strana!

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Kenya and turkey have taken in alot of refugees and stayed stable Anonymous 2021-08-06 (Fri) 03:33:49 No.425975 [Reply]

What made their immigration policies so effective when importing millions of syrian, afghan, and somali refugees compared to westerners?

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Anonymous 2021-08-13 (Fri) 23:25:36 No.444051

They did not stay stable

Anonymous 2022-02-07 (Mon) 23:18:12 No.454312

Do you really know this by first-hand?
Don't forget the mass rapes in Germany.

Anonymous 2022-02-09 (Wed) 18:32:41 No.454336

>>425975
Turkey and Kenya are so unstable that adding more instability dosn't change anything

Anonymous 2022-02-12 (Sat) 20:18:37 No.454360

if i insert the word “reactionary”, i can pretend that my chauvinist, ethnonationalist hatred of migrants from lower-wage countries is progressive and communist
apartheid was progressive because african men are misogynistic rapists bros

Anonymous 2022-02-24 (Thu) 15:38:13 No.454521

>Turkey took refugees and stayed stabile
as a turk, please fuck off. ok?

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Anonymous 2022-02-20 (Sun) 12:37:25 No.454425 [Reply]

Do you know why the nazi lost?
Because of aestethic. It was a great point of advantage for them, they had very good aesthetic, and it made them succeed, but…
… but aesthetic is something that appeals to still human beings. Beauty is holy. Aesthetic made them not nazi enough and in the contradiction of being a dishuman force that still needed humanity, thus they lost. The essence of nazism was Auschwitz
and there was no aesthetic in Auschwitz, it wasn't anything nice to see, but outside of it they had cool uniforms and such. Now you can see the contemporary neo-nazism that is winning because they absolutely have no aesthetic whatsoever, on purpose. They are fucking ugly and disseminate the destruction of aesthetic everywhere they go. They put their mask on. They have killed humanity. The nazi project can continue.

Anonymous 2022-02-20 (Sun) 13:07:19 No.454428

The naiz failed because they were horrible strategic planners and flamboyant in their genocidal rage.l through out one of the strongest powers on the planet at the time the USSR and they even managed to piss off the USA as well. That's why they failed. Aesthetics have nothing to do with it.

Anonymous 2022-02-20 (Sun) 13:55:41 No.454429

nazis were idiots to begin with

Anonymous 2022-02-20 (Sun) 14:01:12 No.454430

>>454428
t.complete moron, marx-illiterate, cognitive disordered, undialectical whore

Anonymous 2022-02-20 (Sun) 14:05:03 No.454431

>>454428
you are the reason why nazis are winning today. you don't understand shit. nazi failed last time because humanity was still alive, that's the point, I think it's not difficult.

Anonymous 2022-02-20 (Sun) 15:47:35 No.454432

>>454425
>Do you know why the nazi lost?
The Soviet Military was more powerful, soviet heavy industry was much larger and better managed, attacking the Soviet Union was really dumb.

>>454431
>nazi failed last time because humanity was still alive
You mean that as a metaphore for ?

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Anonymous 2022-02-17 (Thu) 14:04:29 No.454390 [Reply]

Imagine having the privilege to witness the greatest primitive accumulation of all history but missing it because you believed them and thought it was a virus.
Jfc my sides I can't stop laughing when I think of it this way.

Anonymous 2022-02-17 (Thu) 16:02:08 No.454393

What the fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous 2022-02-18 (Fri) 07:31:54 No.454402

>>454393
About what you don't see yet is in front of your eyes.

Anonymous 2022-02-18 (Fri) 21:04:46 No.454408

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So you are telling me that Mr Oakie Doke was born because someone fucked an oak???

Anonymous 2022-02-19 (Sat) 07:19:41 No.454414

In my experience the problem isn't so much that leftists believe it's actually about the virus, but that they've been so blinded by ideology and cancer within leftism that they choose to join along with the virus narrative because they think it will lead to the left equivalent of the Boogaloo. That, and they want to just see people suffer, not getting that they're the people who will lose the most credibility in all of this. Even then, the biggest problem is not convincing people about the "virus", but overcoming the way left forums are policed by malicious actors, and how leftists are susceptible to that shittery in particular. Same reason why the progressive stack stuff was introduced - take advantage of college students' desire to not hurt other people and naivete to convince them that a stilted ritual of communication is necessary, thus allowing influencers that much more leverage, especially when the ritual upholds the ruling ideas more than anything oppositional to it. Like, a lot of white college leftists don't want to appear racist, but they don't actually ask a black commoner what they think about any of this, or want to deal with them as they are. It doesn't make much sense to me personally… maybe it's because I grew up going to ghetto schools and had none of the markers for social advancement nor any expectation that I was any better than scum.

Anyway the left has been horrible for a long time, and this is just the final end of the old left. All that remains now is this carcass the students made into their own echo chamber, and it was not difficult to see how leftism could be turned into a pro-imperial faction. To go against this would have required understanding the threat posed by ecologism at the least, and probably a lot more. And ultimately you have to look at the faults of the Marxists themselves to figure out why it ended up this way, but I imagine if the USSR were still around this bullshit wouldn't fly.

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Anonymous 2022-02-15 (Tue) 16:23:27 No.454376 [Reply]

fucking caught them in the act. I had a suspicion this was going on but this is the first time I have hard proof. fuck them

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Anonymous 2022-02-15 (Tue) 19:07:12 No.454379

>>454378
M00dy is an org mod

!!.OwqOrsoWM 2022-02-16 (Wed) 01:27:32 No.454383

>>454379
you can trust your sweet and loveable leftychan mods

Anonymous 2022-02-16 (Wed) 01:28:37 No.454384

>>454376
.org mod team is compromised as fuck

Anonymous 2022-02-16 (Wed) 05:06:32 No.454385

>>454376
They ban me for making good faith threads on Siberia yet they keep the numerous porn threads up.

Anonymous 2022-02-19 (Sat) 07:07:44 No.454413

Leftypol is completely controlled at this point, not that it was ever not basically a /pol colony. I just gave up entirely on the left as a meaningful force - I hate to be one of those "why I left the Left" people, but what the hell is leftism at this point? It's quite clear that moody is tasked with steering conversations for his paymasters, along with likely the other moderators who insinuated themselves into leadership positions.

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