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 No.472472[Reply]

Do you consider yourself to be pragmatic with your politics anon?
Or do you feel that making any ideological concessions is a betrayal of your values and beliefs?

I think it's interesting when groups with diametrically opposed outlooks and ideals work together for what they both perceive to be the 'greater good'. Pic related, and feel free to post more interesting examples of this occuring.
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 No.472477

>>472474
This.
Being right about everything all the time is the sole reason I even came to le ftard theories, along with finding reasons for the authoritarization of bols' governing so I could dunk on anarkitties too.
all of it is old outdated shit & got increasingly boring tho. gunna leave it all soon & move on
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 No.472484

I have a public opinion-private opinion distinction as part of my worldview. Most of my private opinions remain close to heart, but a few close friends know how I am in my personal life.

However, I sometimes share the same public and private opinion. For example, my public opinion on leftypol mods is they’re all gay faggots. My private opinion on leftypol mods is they’re all gay faggots.
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 No.472485

>>472477
Honestly, instead of just throwing your hands up and reverting to your natural state drinking IPAs and eating hipster pizza at Telegraph Hill in SF, which I’m not saying isn’t a vibe, it’s just expensive and kinda gay also I definitely wasn’t eating delicious hipster pizza in that area recently or anything, just pick up on full contrarianism for fun. Be a Trotskyist on here or leftypol, tell other communists that China, Russia and Iran aren’t on their side this is actually true, etc. Debating is dumb and pointless, just mog other anons and make ogre jannies more paranoid and unhinged.
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 No.472488

>>472472

it's wrong to think mathematically about it. As in something being true or false but to envision it as a hierarchy of truth. For example, all left ideologies being a gradient of the 'truth'.
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 No.472489

>>472488
>Least ideological leftist

 No.472391[Reply]

Here is a pop-sci video about Black holes that speculates about the possibility to remove the black-hole event-horizon and grant us an opportunity to study the singularity at the center of a black-hole. But for some reason they give the impression that this would unlock forbidden knowledge that unravels reality. It will take us many thousands of years until we'll be able to fuck around with black-holes, so even if there was a danger that warning will have faded away.

There seems to be an ideological sub-current that seeks to limit the bounds of scientific exploration. I'd like to understand where this is coming from.

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=cFslUSyfZPc
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 No.472444

>>472423
Technology could probably solve almost all of our problems, eventually. If we made technology for solving problems rather than technology for profit, that is.
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 No.472446

>>472444
nah, I don't buy it

too many technoutopist boys crying wolfs tbh

I still remember some retarded Heinlein book about a dude waking up from cryosleep in 2000 where everyone has flying cars and personal robots.
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 No.472447

>>472444
Every modern problem is the result of trying to solve an earlier problem
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 No.472457

>>472444
>If we made technology for solving problems
Their hidden point is that the system which led us to this ongoing ecological disaster is okay, we just need to invest into new tech-shit & after that we could continue to cumsoom @ the same rate we always did & maybe, hopefully, even more so.
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 No.472465

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>>472446
It's techno-utopist to think that capitalism will use technology to create a better world. But it's un-realistic techno-doommerism to think that tech can't be used in that way in a different economic system.

>>472447
>Every modern problem is the result of trying to solve an earlier problem
Wrong, many problems aren't the result of previous problem-solving attempts. Also it's not a bad thing to stack technology, because it's very possible to work out all the bugs eventually.

>>472457
>Their hidden point is that the system which led us to this ongoing ecological disaster is okay, we just need to invest into new tech-shit & after that we could continue to cumsoom @ the same rate we always did & maybe, hopefully, even more so.
You are disseminating green austerity propaganda, which is even worse ruling ideology. The hidden point in your statement is that you shill to cut consumption for the masses in order to preserve the current system in a way that it allows the ruling class to continue their consumption.

If you talk about reducing consumption, you have to focus on reducing the consumption of the super-rich to the level of what proles get first. If you are not putting that front and center you're just a hypocrite that shills for the ruling class interests. You aren't advocating for protecting the environment, you are advocating to destroy the environment on behalf of the super-rich instead of the masses.

If we ended the class system, we could build technology that benefits primarily the masses, and we could make it compatible with the biosphere too. It would eventually become possible to increase the consumption for the masses.

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 No.472302[Reply]

Thought this deserved a thread already. The US recently orchestrated a military against the prime minister of Pakistan. Pakistan has basically had de facto military rule for decades. Control of the prime ministership has oscillated back and forth between two major families while the military rules from the shadows. What was perhaps different this time is that the current prime minister was enormously popular and people had the impression that things were moving in a more democratic direction.

However, he didn't do exactly as he was told by the US like a good boy, so he had to go, and now one of the world's major nuclear powers is in a state of instability. What's in the future for Pakistan now? Is there a danger of India stepping in and some idiot provoking a nuclear exchange?
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 No.472306

Also, I would like to hear from someone who lives in that region, and not some multipolar westoid. Thank you.
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 No.472312

>>472306
>I would like to hear from someone who lives in that region
+92
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 No.472390

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Wtf, is Twitter becoming based?
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 No.472392

>>472390
>Twitter becoming based?
Maybe, but consider that they might be worried about credibility too. Regime-change-Tony self-styling himself as Mr. Orderly-process-Democracy is perhaps too much of a stretch.

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 No.472310[Reply]

Opinions on this dude? He seems to be popular in Italian circles. Doesn't seem to be a dogmoid, dunks on retarded leftoids in his democracy book.

Tho his dismissal of Athens on the grounds that it was exclusionary of large parts of the population is unwarranted because it was still inclusionary of the majority of poor urban population that manned the fleets. Which should be far more important for a marxist than inclusion of fucking w*men, no?

But I digress.. Any garlic eaters here that can provide more context?
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 No.472329

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On the split in the propertied class.
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 No.472330

>>472328
And? Should we then dismiss the experiment, the concept of democracy, and the observations that led people to overthrow oligarchies and establish it in the first place because it didn't comport with our modern all-liberating, all-inclusive form of government we want to strive towards? By the way, Athens wasn't the only democracy in the Greek world.
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 No.472331

>>472330
>modern all-liberating, all-inclusive form of government we want to strive towards
Or, to be perfectly blunt, what some leftists appear to want to strive towards. Others seem like they would prefer the Orwellian fraud of electoral oligarchy invented in the 18th century, readily dismissing the entire concept of real democracy on the grounds of ancient democracy's imperfections and Aristotle's aristocratic apologia.
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 No.472333

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>>472330
>the observations that led people to overthrow oligarchies
I'm not against direct democratic mechanisms, but you overestimate the differences between ancient "democracy" and "oligarchy".

Geographic determinists win again lol.
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 No.472334

Also, can we please agree how retarded was Pericles with his war plans? Get besieged in an overcrowded city and don't expect a plague? Really?

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 No.472254[Reply]

Social Organizations Mobilize in Argentina After Murder of Facundo Morales
Social organizations and political movements in Argentina mobilized this Friday at the Obelisk in Buenos Aires, after the murder on Thursday of Facundo Molares Schoenfeld who died as a result of police violence. … Similarly, the demonstrators held up signs with the phrase: “Not one more dead for fighting,” and questioned the attitude of the head of government, Horacio Rodríguez Larreta, who claimed responsibility for the actions of the police, said that Facundo’s death was due to a heart attack.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/post/2023/08/12/social-organizations-mobilize-in-argentina-after-murder-of-facundo-morales/

Ecuador arrests 6 Colombians over assassination of presidential candidate
Ecuador’s police arrested six Colombians for their alleged participation in the assassination of presidential candidate Fernando Villavicencio. The six were arrested in Quito shortly after the assassination on Wednesday. Two of the suspects were arrested near the campaign event in the north of the capital where Villavicencio was shot dead.
https://colombiareports.com/ecuador-arrests-6-colombians-over-assassination-of-presidential-candidate/

Millions of Mexicans lifted out of poverty during López Obrador presidency
Coneval issues its poverty measurement report every two years, basing its analyses on a survey of household earnings and expenditures from Mexico’s national statistics institute Inegi. “And surely in the 2024 report will be lower,” he said, pointing to a graph that showed that the poverty rate fell from 43.2% in 2016 to 36.3% in 2022. The graphs he presented did not include the data from the 2018 and 2020 reports, which showed the poverty rate to be 41.9% and 43.9%, respectively.
https://www.courthousenews.com/millions-of-mexicans-lifted-out-of-poverty-during-lopez-obrador-presidency/
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 No.472287

>>472254
TYBNA
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 No.472290

>>472256
>Police raid local Kansas newspaper office and homes of reporters
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/12/police-raid-local-kansas-newspaper-office-and-homes-of-reporters

This is a confusing article, they raided a newspaper because a local restaurant proprietor was embarrassed about getting caught for drunk driving ?
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 No.472298

>>472290

Apparently, yeah. That's what it's suggesting.

"According to Meyer, a confidential source leaked evidence that Newell had been convicted of drink-driving and continued using her vehicle without a license. But the paper never published anything related to it as they suspected the source was relaying information from Newell’s husband during their divorce proceedings.

The Kansas Reflector reported: “Police notified Newell, who then complained at a city council meeting that the newspaper had illegally obtained and disseminated sensitive documents, which isn’t true. Her public comments prompted the newspaper to set the record straight in a story published Thursday.”

The paper added that Newell admitted to the drink-driving arrest and driving with a suspended license.

Then came Friday’s raid and seizures, authorized by a search warrant that alleged identity theft and unlawful use of a computer. The seized materials included publishing and reporting materials that the newspaper relied on to publish their next edition, and they were not given a timeframe for when seized computers and phones would be returned."
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 No.472300

>>472298
>Apparently, yeah.
woah that's some fucked up shit.
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 No.472301

>>472258
>Confronting their war plan on China means getting organised
We need to say “No”: Australia can, in fact, have an independent foreign policy based on peace and justice in the world. And it must. We owe it to ourselves, future generations and the rest of the world.

It feels they're underestimating the stakes. If the US neocons manage to start a war with China, Australia would likely be in the sacrificial zone, and get royally aukused in the process.

 No.471965[Reply]

It seems that the US is trying too stir up a which-hunt against peace activists

The NyTimes already attacked a number of lefty peace organizations with this peace
https://web.archive.org/web/20230805212011/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html
It looks like mainstream media switched to China-war-advertisement mode. So one has to assume that their accusations are false, they always lie when they try to sell a war.
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 No.472000

>>471996
You misunderstand. I shit on China for unrelated reasons. IMO in terms of geopolitics they've been one step ahead of the US for a while now. Probably shouldn't have brought that up now that I think about it.
>So how does the western left un-cuck ?
By creating a political movement that is completely independent from all bourgeois parties and gives no fucks about which wing of capital holds the reigns of power.
As of right now the socialist left is packed with defeatists who willingly cuck themselves to left-liberals. They've fully bought into the lesser of two evils propaganda and put themselves in a completely undialectical mental stasis trap where they perceive independence as ultimately leading to le evil fashist rightoids seizing power and establishing the thousand year Reich. Basically, they've traded letting hawks take power + the potential to dismantle the governing international order, for the mere possibility that (what they perceive as) less hawkish hawks could take power instead.
>Should it respond in kind with a which-hunt against war-hawks ? is that what you are implying ?
Absolutely not. If the western left went on an anti-hawk moral crusade it would backfire tremendously, especially considering how the left is already completely absorbed into the oligarchy and has no positive agenda to speak of. It would be a repeat the 2000's all over again, but this time as a farce.
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 No.472002

Fuck, on second thought the word "undialectical" isn't strong enough. The contemporary socialist left is anti-dialectical. They simply cannot accept that sometimes the only winning move is not to play. It's embarrassing and speaks to an unprecedented level of bad theory. They are hopelessly committed to pseudo-activity and constantly hand every opportunity for dissent or popular revolt over to the far-right.
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 No.472058

>>472000
>I shit on China for unrelated reasons.
Considering that they're currently banging the war-drum against China, maybe now is not the best time for that.

>By creating a political movement that is completely independent from all bourgeois parties and gives no fucks about which wing of capital holds the reigns of power. As of right now the socialist left is packed with defeatists who willingly cuck themselves to left-liberals. They've fully bought into the lesser of two evils propaganda
Yeah that's an unfortunate development. Tho how do you craft politics that feed off this phenomenon, so that the more lesser evilism propaganda they make the stronger we get.

>If the western left went on an anti-hawk moral crusade it would backfire tremendously, especially considering how the left is already completely absorbed into the oligarchy and has no positive agenda to speak of. It would be a repeat the 2000's all over again, but this time as a farce.
The 2000s had a lot of war-fatigue and that's why the "anti-hawk moral" resonated, i don't think that anybody on the left really set out to cause anything on purpose. Maybe a which-hunt against war-hawks would be effective, and the actual problem is that our side really doesn't enjoy which-hunting.

Anyway what strategy would you suggest against McCarthyism
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 No.472063

>>472000
Nice digits
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 No.472296

>>472058
Honestly anon, I can't effectively answer your questions. I feel like we're in a situation where it's a lot easier to diagnose the problem than it is to treat it.

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 No.472278[Reply]

For anyone who doesn’t know:

>Psychological operations (PSYOP) are operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their motives and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and large foreign powers.

What do you guys think about the idea that Marxists should conduct psyops on its enemies?
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 No.472279

>>472278
>black sun
this meant to mean ogre mods got a /pol/ack rat?
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 No.472281

I think it's irrelevant.
I think that it's weird that they'd do this, but also the thread's gone, so who cares? I have no interest in this. It's dumb.
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 No.472282

>>472279
Make of it what you will. I just think it’s funny mods took down that thread and never directly engaged with me.
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 No.472285

>>472282
>>472281
The thread got moved to meta you retards
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 No.472291

>>472281
>>472282
It's here:
>>>meta/11207

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 No.472129[Reply]

I wrote all three posts in the pic and much more.
I have been online since 1997.
I have been an anon since 2005. Proof is my YTMND account: https://ytmnd.com/users/anono/sites
I am addicted to learning and have spent the past 23 years of my adult life exploring, creating, and discovering to the maximum of my ability.
I became an anticapitalist and socialist because I love my family, country, species and world.
Beginning around 2010 I began to speculate about a "memetic singularity," an explosion of cultural and social change catalyzed by the internet.
I watched my speculation come alive before my eyes, while I continued to build upon it and develop my theories.
8/01/2023 was The Tipping Point.
There is much more information here: https://old.reddit.com/r/NarrativeDynamics/
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 No.472131

You should kill yourself
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 No.472135

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>>472131
Physically impossible as I am learned optimism incarnate.
You should love life. Here is how.
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 No.472154

Didn't you make this post already? Was the first thread not good enough for you?
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 No.472166

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>>472154
https://vimeo.com/129280982
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 No.472199

Moved to >>>/posad/491.

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 No.471970[Reply]

Game theory is the science of strategy.
Memetics is the study of cultural change.
Combine the two and you have a perfect recipe for conjuring the apocalypse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzlyUZoVPGU

https://vimeo.com/124736839

https://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs00s/singmem.php

https://vimeo.com/218908974
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 No.472067

>>471995
Nice narrative based on armchair ideology without any reference to factual reality whatsoever.
"Factual reality is a bourgeois canard!"
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 No.472068

>>472067
>"Factual reality is a bourgeois canard!"
this but unironically
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 No.472076

>>472065
… why'd you post it to Reddit? Can you post it here?
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 No.472081

>>472076
>why'd you post it to Reddit?
Because the format is far superior.
>Can you post it here?
No, if you can't click a link I can't help you.
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 No.472202

>>472081
>Because the format is far superior.

That format is way worse, actually.

>No, I won't explain wtf I'm on about

Cool.

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 No.472049[Reply]

This is the 'right wing' 'fascist' Italian PM that the reddit'left' is shreeking about.

At what point did you realize everything is a lie?
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 No.472052

>>472051
That's right comrade. If you don't make vapid moral proclamations while having no skin in the game, you're a fashist
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 No.472053

classic fashoid populism
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 No.472054

>>472052
>If you don't make vapid moral proclamations
that's what she does tho
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 No.472069

>>472049
>what is that populism political tactic?
<In September 1911 he participated in a riot, led by socialists, against the Italian war in Libya. He bitterly denounced Italy's "imperialist war", an action that earned him a five-month jail term. After his release, he helped expel Ivanoe Bonomi and Leonida Bissolati from the Socialist Party, as they were two "revisionists" who had supported the war.
Yeah bro, seems like Italy got another aspiring "socialist" as a potential leader. Die Lebt just keeps winning everywhere, what a time to be alive!
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 No.472072

>>472069

It's even funnier because Meloni has never even been a socialist. She has less socialist cred than Mussolini.

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