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 No.484270[Reply]

Is the administration of things no different from anarchism?
The claim that anarchists "wouldn't let a person be the captain of the ship" allegedly "because that's a hierarchy to them" is reductionist and wrong. In anarchism freedom means to have take responsibility for one's own actions, therefore they allow people to take up such positions on the condition that they do not use them against the interests of other people. If the captain of a ship is to use his role to take the passengers hostage then the passengers must act accordingly. That applies for any sort of society. The point is that they would in fact allow a person to be in "charge". There have even been Anarchist Federations (are there likely still are) with a general secretariat. If it is to be considered a "hierarchy" then the idea of only being opposed towards oppressive hierarchies would allow it.
Anarchists in general want society to play a part of the managerial role, rather than a selected few - because it seen as a guarantee of incompetence and disconnect from the working class by solely being the managerial forces. If the working class themselves take up the managerial role, then that is fine by anarchist standards. The only criticism that anarchists should accept is that commodity production cannot and should not exist. If there is commodity production, if there is trade, barter - that leads to a market. Markets eventually lead to the accumulation of commodities which reinstates capitalism. Bordiga correctly points out that capitalism is inherently connected to commodity production. It is therefore the task of anarcho-communists to abolish commodity production and instead adapt decentralized planning, such as participatory economics and exterminate all reactionary elements of society.
I think that leftcoms generally misunderstand anarchists, especially with the fact that so many of the self-proclaimed "anarchists" nowadays are not anarchists at all - they are just liberals engaged in identity politics. The principled anarchists will only engage in class struggle. It is as Malatesta wrote over a hundred years ago in the text - Anarchists Have Forgotten Their Principles.
I am a part of an Anarchist Federation myself, I encourage my comrades to read Marx, Engels, Lenin and above all - Bordiga. Our AF also does dialogue with the leftcoms of the group "Lotta comunista". We can find ourselves agreeing on everything except the demand for a party established on the proposed Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.484271

>>484270
Lots of typos due to a bad translation of the text
Examples:
<to have take
>to take responsibility
<are there likely still are
>there have been and there likely still are
and so on. This is a really obscure text translated from Bulgarian to English.
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 No.484272

>There is no excuse for them, but there is no point in dismissing all of their writings.
The original text included concepts with a footnote referring to the term scientific socialism, pointing to Proudhon.
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 No.484273

That's a lotta words anon…


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 No.480901[Reply]

I wouldnt, If would, Describe reasons.

The goverment and healthcare system keeps letting me down, Why should i?

As a pussyfree man myself, Id betray my whole nation like it betrayed me just to have a chance to get a girlfriend, What has it ever done for me? Get bullied here, Ridiculed, Abandoned by the healthcare system, Denied XRAY, Denied this, Denied that, Denied meeting the right doctor. I dont even celebrate national day, This country is shit anyway, Is it even my country if i dont get pussy in it? Nah its not!

Is it even your country if your countrymen dont stand up for you to prevent you from being bullied? Is it even your countrymen if they keep belittling you and making fun of you?

Is it even your country if you get no say in what you want to do in said country? Is it even your country if you have to pay taxes to get nothing in return not even an XRAY at the doctors office if it was needed?

Heck idgaf about nationalism for the shithole i live in, Wait a whole month to meet a doctor so i can be rejected for the help im needed, nah this isnt my country, Fuck this country, The russians can just go ahead and invade it, Idgaf anymore.
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 No.483346

>>480947
>Human rights
Human rights is media propaganda
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 No.484204

>>480941
which is why men need to experience those in their formative years to be functional later on, it's almost like those things are important or something
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 No.484213

>>480901
It depends on the situation. I’d defend my friends and family against an invading force, but I’d try my best to avoid being drafted into an offensive war. That said if a draft happens, the military police would likely force me to join.
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 No.484218

no. burger reich. uphold revolutionary defeatism
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 No.484239

>>484204
no its not.
"Pain makes you stronger" is bullshit.

Theres nothin wrong with enjoying your youth. The problem is that society ants to make it absurd and cringey.

This idea that "cringe is essential to childhood" is copium.


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 No.484122[Reply]

idk making this thread because the one on .org died with the rest of the site
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 No.484203

>>484197
>the reason those threads became about Russia/Ukraine despite the more general and vague intentions behind thread 1 is because Russia/Ukraine has become the global focal point for core-periphery bourgeois conflict in general.
I agree with half of your analysis, the conflict in Ukraine has become a core-periphery thing.

But as far as the intentions go, i remain unconvinced this is innocent. If you want to argue for de-escalation politics like during the entente after the first cold war, you have to argue that Russians are human beings with legitimate grievances. And no-campism seems like it's geared towards attacking that. Like a means for policing the borders of what ruling ideology considers the acceptable range of opinion.
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 No.484212

>>484202
This is why I oppose the worst of all Great Russian Chauvinsts, Agent Zelensky. While Putin took the moderate nationalist position of only annexing the rebel provinces during the peace talks, Agent Z was unsatisfied with that. He pushed for expanding the war, so that Russia will be able to conquer more land and eventually realize the Russian nationalist dream of Novorossiya.

Jokes aside, Lenin and other theorists of the national question were writing at a time when national chauvinism within continental European empires meant the total supression of the linguistic and religious rights of a particular nation. This meant that public schooling was limited to a single language and in order become a government bureaucrat, you had to have a certain religion and speak certain language. Only thing that counterbalanced this is that these empires were seriously backwards with large rural populations who didn't have any access to formal education. This meant that as these empires urbanized, the lesser nations would simultaneously disappear.

This is why some Marxists and the intellectuals of lesser nations were concerned that without statehood, they would cease to exist, just as if they were all marched into gas chambers. The counterargument of other Marxists and proponents of the Great Nations was that these people barely constituted real nation, that their "nationhood" was nothing more than a provincial identity and the illusions of a handful of intellectuals. And in the end the process of assimilation was voluntary process, it didn't require physical violence. This is why Pan-Slavism, an ideology proposing that every single Slavic nation should be ruled by the Czar, had numerous genuine proponents among Croats, Serbs, Slovaks, etc.

Marxists added an additional layer to this debate concerning the feudal and bourgeois-progressive attributes of these empires that existed alongside each other. For someone like Luxemburg, the backwardness of these empires was exemplified by the persistence of provincial non-nations whose only basis of existence was their loyalty to the local nobility and clergy instead of emerging centralized state. Lenin argued that the real backwardness was the dynastic basis of these empires. Assimilation was viewed as impossible, half-assed attempt from the oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.484216

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>>484212
>the worst of all Great Russian Chauvinsts, Agent Zelensky
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 No.484219

>>484212
This is one of the first (only?) times I've seen "anti-campism" take into account the nuanced specific context in which he promoted both revolutionary defeatism and argued against a "United States of Europe". And I agree.
The position however by some that nation-states and national divisions should be maintained no matter what be cause those undoing them are "bourgeois" is reactionary, and in favor of maintaining global apartheid. These people may have as well have argued this in favor of the continued existence of the Bantustans ("Blacks" in South Africa referred to dozens of ethnic groups).

The Russian Annexation of Ukraine is progressive because old national divisions are abolished. But Ukrainian culture is not wiped out, the language isn't banned (and continues as an official language of several oblasts), Ukraininans aren't suffering the same fate as the jews during the holocaust.
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 No.484226

This thread smells like a sectarian fed op. You're not a cool special snowflake for making up indecipherable abbreviations for your clique, you're just a fag.


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 No.483922[Reply]

you killed my leftypol so i killed one of your threads
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 No.484161

>>484138
That's part of the entertainment, so congratulations on your promotion from bunker vols to /leftypol/ vols.
They can be bunkerchan now.
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 No.484164

>>484161
Nukechan is also open go say hi.
https://nukechan.net/index.html
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 No.484165

>>484164
Hell no honky I aint goin to yo David Duke chan ass
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 No.484166

>>484165
Oh Lenin have mercy, the xitterfags have ended up in getchan.
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 No.484168

>>484166
All us black folx vote .net SON BOY FOO


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 No.476318[Reply]

The infamous chatcontrole-law internet apocalypse in the EU has been postponed. It seems dead for now but these things tend to become like zombies rising from the grave.

Now lets discuss how to actually fix the pedo-problem.

The pedo-problem is a meat-space problem that is bleeding into the virtual world. So lasting solutions can only be found in meat-space.

We have to analyze the politics at play. I doubt the neo-liberal system allows for genuine collective well-being politics. So doing something that benefits all children will not be possible. All the available politics are zero-sum games, improving the lot of some children at the expense of others. This can be overcome by creating civil-society parent lobby groups, enabled to act on the part that benefits the child-interests they represent while blocking the detrimental actions towards other child-interests by locking that into a perpetual battle against each other to neutralize the "negative energy".

The main political energy that genuinely seeks to clean the internet from pedo-material is however, people trying to hide the problem, they don't care about children at all, they care about the appearance of a just society. They see their affluence threatened if the injustice of child-abuse is too visible. They are perhaps the worst bunch. Bending this political energy into a positive outcome is very hard. We might be able to turn this into a general child-privacy scheme. We could make an AI-filter that gets trained to recognize and blur all children. This filter system could be made entirely transparent including the entire source-training-database since regular pictures of children aren't crimes, making it harder to abuse and also minimally invasive by selectively blurring out only children, without censoring the entire material. AI filters are quite good at detecting age and the silhouette of people, and this scheme does not require AI to understand context, reducing false positives. It need not be made mandatory, because it's an easy non-threatening way to prevent having to deal with pedo-material. I feel confident that most websites would use this to make moderation easier. It uses very little compute resources, and the child-abuse is out of sight (which realistically is all that can be done on the computer side of things). On the ethical side we get better online child-privacy without needing heavy handed governmental top-down interference.

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 No.476320

People's inherent rights take precedence to everything else including your "protect muh children!" Rehtoric. You can never stop all of it. It's sad but it's true you can just meditate it and you mediate it criminally and mentally via forcing them into therapy and psychology. But it's naive and stupid to think you can ever get rid of it completely.
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 No.476321

>>476320
>People's inherent rights take precedence
I agree with that wholeheartedly. But i fear that this isn't how political mechanisms actually work.

I think they'll keep using the pedo-crap as pretext to try and fuck with the internet, as long as that pedo-crap persists.

We could probably lessen the threat against the internet, if we could find a offline mechanism that would allow them to capture pedos. This is why i'm proposing to create psychological abuse-diagnostics in schools and pedo bounty hunters. I reckon that unlike fucking with the internet, this would actually work, at least enough to reduce the problem below the threshold where it can become a political hot-potato.
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 No.484127

Most discussions about pedophilia (including this one) seem to think that detaining children, either in person or avatar, is the only safety measure.

Any organisation that has the "F-bomb" (Family) in their name, slogan, or target audience is a big red flag.
Any suggestion like OP that talks about "blurring childrens pictures" or "extensive diagnostic studying" of children often lead to child abuse.


The only way to confront pedophilia is to admit that childhood as we know it is a social construct that doesnt really hold up to reality.
Innocence is not a virtue of youth, nor should it be.

Modern society thinks that children are supposed to be sheltered from any slight nuance and never be told about anything nor trained for self defense.

"Let kids be kids" is the common sentiment used to justify prolonged ignorance in the juvenile stage of life.


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 No.484042[Reply]

remember 9/11 1973
never forget

also I guess we can also have a schizo thread where we talk about how burger 9/11 was an inside job or whatever
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 No.484045

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 No.484046

Ah yes, the anniversary of the CIA's fascist coup against Allende. How could I ever forget?
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 No.484063

>>484046
Yeah we didn't just loose a socialist country, we also lost the first attempt at doing cybernetic socialism. It would have been so interesting to see the results of that experiment.
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 No.484070

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>>484045
herr…
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 No.484124

I hate to interrupt an Allende thread with stuff about some dumb revenge attack on history's 2nd evilest empire, but the Canestraro declaration is juicy.


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 No.483823[Reply]

Anarchists of the 19th and early 20th century: planting bombs, assassinating rulers, organizing radical unions
Anarchists today: wear leather jackets and doc martins, listen to Sex Pistols, maybe they'll spray paint some graffiti, otherwise do absolutely nothing

Not saying they were always engaged in effective activity (Propaganda of the Deed is the dumbest revolutionary strategy ever), but at least the original anarchists actually did something. It seems like in every lefty org I've been in the anarchists are the ones least likely to roll up their sleeves and actually get some work done.

What happened?
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 No.483894

Assassinations went out of fashion, it's mostly arson now. You can get the news if you know where to look.
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 No.483895

>>483894
Seems like the kind of crime that'd be real easy to false-flag on someone else.
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 No.484053

>>483828
>set up a commune
I guess many end up like this instead of building orgs for nationwide revolution.
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 No.484118

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>Anarchists of the 19th and early 20th century: planting bombs, assassinating rulers
Propaganda of the deed was a failed strategy.
However, Siegefags (a syncretic form of neo-Nazism) have tried to continue that strategy in an attempt to incite a race war through terrorism. As you can see, that shit isn't working, but I find it hilarious that they took one of the least effective parts of anarchism and decided to run with it.
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 No.484119

>>484118
that, along with the copying blac block, etc. has almost made them the new as-a-farce anarchists. hurr dur lets shoot down a power transformer. lets just put up some posters an d graffiti.
Honestly, the neo-nazis deciding that 'acktaully the cops and military and big business bad' castrated any chance of them pulling a brownshart corporate-backed coup, which is basically the only way neo-fascism has a chance in present conditions.


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 No.483504[Reply]

Ya'll remember Pierre Tru-dank?

Now he buck dances for Yankee Tankie for a shred of the internet relevance he once had, picking up trash…

for fee
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 No.483808

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>Canadian Marxist-Leninist with influences from Georges Sorel, Daniel De Leon, and the Fourth Political Theory.
>Watch next: The State: De Leon vs "Left" "Communism"
>this channel artwork
Yep, it's another mloid (= nutsoy cuck). Why did you bring this particular faggot up?
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 No.483920

>>483505
OG leftypol youtuber

Dude got really fat, lol
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 No.483946

Ah yes, leftists shooting left again. I'll wait till someone tells me a real reason to not support the ACP, even if they're a meme party. Maybe I'm being naive but ever since they launched they've been slandered by leftists on the internet, and it's the same kind of slander that democrats slander Trump with on /r/wholesomememes: it's always some dumb personal attack.
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 No.483952

>>483920
Although I used to like his videos.

He's just too obsessed with the patsoc stuff nowadays.
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 No.484002

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>>483946
if you pee your own pants you can't cry about people making fun of you
thems the rules


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 No.471994[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Maui fires raise questions over warnings, death toll hits 80

"MAALAEA, Hawaii, Aug 11 (Reuters) - The death toll from the Maui wildfires rose to 80 on Friday as search teams combed through the smoldering ruins of Lahaina, and Hawaiian officials sought to determine how the inferno spread so rapidly through the historic resort town with little warning.

The fires became the deadliest natural disaster in the state's history, surpassing that of a tsunami that killed 61 people on the Big Island of Hawaii in 1960, a year after Hawaii joined the United States.

Officials have warned that search teams with cadaver dogs could still find more dead from the fire that torched 1,000 buildings and left thousands homeless, likely requiring many years and billions of dollars to rebuild.

"Nobody has entered any of these structures that have burned down and that's where we unfortunately anticipate that the death toll will rise significantly," U.S. Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii told MSNBC.

In a late evening statement, Maui County said that the death toll had risen to 80.

The Lahaina fire that spread from the brush to town was still burning but 85% contained, the county said earlier. Two other wildfires on the island were 80% and 50% contained.

Three days after the disaster, it remained unclear whether some residents had received any warning before the fire engulfed their homes.
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 No.473985

>>473983
>there's a risk that they end up stuck in the tempcontainers.
While that is true, the alternative is to provide these people nothing to appease schizos. Again, the gentrification of NO was a far more serious issue than fucking FEMA camps. It's a conversation designed to distract from the real issue, which is the transfer of wealth and property from the poor to the very rich.
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 No.474057

>>473985
>the alternative is to provide these people nothing to appease schizos
>THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE, PROLES
>We built these concentration camps out of the kindness of our hearts!
>The displaced couldn't possibly be allowed to live in houses or apartments
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 No.474076

>>474057
Temporary housing isn't a concentration camp. Nobody is required to go there. Nice try, though, schizo.
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 No.474705

>>474076
it's a literal pogrom to herd people into shipping crates. kill yourself fed.
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 No.483861

>>473947
thats most people worldwide tbh.

I think our moern society obsesses too much over academic skill to he point where its replacing common sense and survival skills.


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 No.483733[Reply]

Editor’s Note: Jakarta has been engulfed in fiery unrest in recent days, as thousands of protesters attempted to storm parliament in response to controversial changes to election laws. In September 2023, MintPress News revealed leaked files from the National Endowment for Democracy, suggesting that this CIA-linked organization has built an extensive network of political, media, and civil society infrastructure in Indonesia aimed at facilitating regime change. After years of fostering insurrectionary fervor in the country, has the NED’s influence finally reached a boiling point? MintPress News is republishing the following groundbreaking investigation by Kit Klarenberg as events in Indonesia once again come to the fore.



Widodo’s candidacy also reportedly stimulated Indonesia’s stock market and Rupiah currency due to his sparkling political and economic record. One might think burnishing the country’s finances to such a degree through sheer force of personality would make him an ideal leader from Washington’s perspective. Yet, the President has also prioritized “protecting Indonesia’s sovereignty” and limiting overseas influence in Jakarta. Moreover, he pursues an intensely independent foreign policy, much to the U.S. Empire’s chagrin.

Widodo has encouraged leaders of Muslim states to reconcile and pushed for Palestinian independence. His Foreign Minister visits Palestine but refuses to establish diplomatic relations with Israel. He has also distributed sizable aid to oppressed Muslims abroad. Most egregiously, since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, he flew to both countries and urged their leaders to seek peace. When Jakarta hosted the G20 Summit that year, he invited not only Zelensky but Putin to attend despite fierce Western criticism.



Widodo is now preparing to leave office, his constitutionally-mandated terms over, and personal approval ratings at all-time highs. His departure creates a clean political slate, which NED is eager to fill. Mercifully, a repeat of the intelligence agency-orchestrated slaughter that brought Suharto to power decades ago appears unlikely. But the leaked documents obtained by MintPress News make clear the U.S. Empire is preparing to pull off another coup in Jakarta under the aegis of “democracy promotion.”

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 No.483736

Hello from Indonesia

I live in east borneo and while people complain about government on social media, no one is actually organizing or attempting to do anything
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 No.483737

>>483736
most politically active dayak fag
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 No.483738

>>483736
>no one is actually organizing or attempting to do anything
In what regard? Like they're not attempting to prevent a coup or they're not attempting to do a coup?
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 No.483811

>>483736
What do people think of Sukarno and Suharto? Do they even know who they are?
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 No.483849

>>483738
they're not attempting to prevent a coup


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