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 No.482369[Reply]

The US Supreme court has decided to hear the case, fueling speculation they will side with those wanting to criminalize public homelessness.

With the approval of the California governor as well.

This recently came to a head in Grants Pass Oregon, a small Republican county with almost 2% homelessness. Their approach so far was over 500 criminal citations being given to their homeless for sleeping in parks until a circuit court stopped Grants Pass from issuing further citations. Now Grants Pass is asking the supreme court to give explicit permission to all states to criminalize public homelessness.
https://apnews.com/article/grants-pass-oregon-supreme-court-homeless-encampments-a8dcddb518bd76b11d409666c06701b8

The DOJ disagrees however, stating “Regardless of any future Supreme Court ruling, the law” is clear that “officers lack reasonable suspicion to stop people for merely sleeping on public property when they have nowhere else to sleep,” in a criminal complaint against Phoenix Arizona's treatment of the homeless. https://prospect.org/justice/2024-06-20-scotus-homelessness-doj-war-on-poor-phoenix/

The subreddit r/SanFrancisco is also celebrating the possibility of public homelessness being illegal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/1cale76/supreme_court_likely_to_side_with_grants_pass_on/

What is your take on this /leftypol/? The war on the homeless is in full swing.
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Made a thread for raiding the liberal r/SanFrancisco forum who have been calling for the arrest of their homeless there in massively upvoted threads for weeks, join me in the raid

https://leftychan.net/i/res/1972.html
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 No.487370>>487372

>>482388
>Homelessness is caused mainly by land speculation
Long term homelessness is almost entirely caused by antisocial personality disorders and severe mental illness. You could literally built a brand new city for Homeless people with free housing, and the place would be trashed within a month with most of the copper ripped from the walls and people stabbing eachother and dying in the gutter from Fent.
Yes, Short term homelessness, or "invisible homelessness" is caused entirely by landlords, I've actually been in this situation several times having to live in hostels for months on end, and all of this due to asshole landlords, but due to this I spent a whole lot of time around the long term homeless, and most of them were complete fucking, hyper-manipulative psychopathic shitheads who are so predatory they end up stabbing in the back and burning bridges with people even trying to help them.
Look at Rajneeshpuram in Oregon, Homeless were literally put in a utopian society, free housing, good jobs, free education, hundreds of hippie girls personally looking after them, and what did the Homeless do? trash the place, assault and rape people. It got so bad the Rajneshee's literally had to secretly drug their food with sleeping pills and quite literally pile them into buses while unconscious and dump them in the closest city.
You are not going to solve homelessness through just housing. Doing this just leads to at best, entire slum areas of high crime and trap houses, Public Housing is obviously the socialist solution to general housing, but majority of long term homeless should unironically be put into Asylum camps.
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 No.487371>>487373

>>482412
Long term homeless in the USSR were literally mass institutionalized. Police would also often just turn up, beat the shit out of them, drag them to get a haircut and shave and shove them in some shitty mining job or whatever.
Socialist socities were not kind to visible Lumpen. Being labelled a Lumpen was pretty much the worst of worst insults and social status in the USSR. (and is even a venomous insult across Eastern Europe/Russia today)
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 No.487372

>>487370
>Long term homelessness is almost entirely caused by antisocial personality disorders and severe mental illness.
<Don't blame the people in charge
<blame their victims
Will you look at that juicy bit of ruling ideology.

The existence of homelessness is 100% a political choice. You really could simply have a public housing program that grants everybody a house. Also you are incorrect we have never tested anything like this because, such a program would need to run for a very long time until you could draw any conclusions. And you also need some kind of protection system because obviously public housing would impact the bottom line of powerful capitalists who would try to sabotage this project. So be mindful when find allegedly failed public housing programs. Realestate hedge-funds are really powerful and they do try to sabotage public housing programs.

Further more threatening people with homelessness probably causes a bunch of mental illness. So lets not invert cause and effect.
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 No.487373

>>487371
>Long term homeless in the USSR were literally mass institutionalized.
But the Soviets had very few mental hospitals and not many people were institutionalized. So that certainly can't account for the almost none existent level of homelessness in the USSR.
Just give up, the Soviets did pretty OK, in terms of providing housing for their people. At least for that time-period and conditions. A commie-block apartment like a Khrushovka (spelling is definitely wrong), which was the most common type, would still be better housing compared to what the bottom 2 billion people have today. Because it had plumbing, fresh-water, stable electricity and central heating.

>Police would also often just turn up, beat the shit out of them,

This sounds like made up rhetoric from cold war propaganda.

>Socialist socities were not kind to visible Lumpen. Being labelled a Lumpen was pretty much the worst of worst insults and social status in the USSR.

Now i know you are making this shit up. The worst insult in the USSR was being called a "Kulak" (spelling might be wrong). Kulaks owned large swaths of farmland and during the early Soviet period they set grain on fire to drive up prices, during a period of severe food shortage no less. You can imagine how that would piss people off and turn their title into an insult.


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 No.476742[Reply]

What's the deal with the degrowthists ?

For example this perspective from An Independent Socialist Magazine
<The Chinese government has promised to reduce the emission intensity of GDP so that China’s carbon dioxide emissions will peak before 2030.27 However, economic growth remains the Chinese government’s top priority. At the Twentieth National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping reconfirmed the objective to raise China’s per capita GDP to the level of “medium-level developed countries” by 2035 and to make China a leading global power by 2050. What will be the impact on ecological sustainability if China continues pursuing economic growth in the next several decades?
https://monthlyreview.org/2023/07/01/degrowing-china-by-collapse-redistribution-or-planning/
I suspect that the monthlyreview might have a anti-China bias based on their recent articles, which is tangential to the threat topic

Why are they seething that China wants to thrive economically while at the same time improving their ecological foot-print. Why would any socialist want to degrow ? If you read Marx he celebrates advancing the productive forces as something that will make socialism possible. To me de-growth sounds like people looking to go back to feudal agrarianism, rather than forward to socialism. They appear to be looking to undo the advances in productive capacity of industrial society. Like what used to be right-wing anti-capitalism 200 years ago, basically affluent people that were mad that industrial society could produce enough to end poverty. Why are there self proclaimed socialists pushing this ? Do they not realize that it would dramatically worsen living conditions for proles ? Is that the goal ? wrecking living standards of people while appearing to be a champion for noble causes ?

To me degrowth appears as a deception because it will not improve environmental conditions. More advanced technology is enabled by more potent productive forces, and those generally are less polluting. Like nuclear fission and fusion make much more energy while polluting significantly less than chemical fuel based power-generation. If you "de-grow" the economy you will also regress in technology. All the advanced tech stuff we can Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.487251>>487304

>>487245
>degrowth is etheir more about `low metabolism`
yeah don't do bio-politics, it will lead you towards reactionary positions.

We probably should build 5000 nuclear reactors (for the entire world) and lots of trains.

>>487246
I think degrowth is just a veil for neo-liberal austerity and the failed policy of de-industrialization. There is no reason to think it will improve repairability of consumer goods. And scaling down industrial production will likely cause an increase in work.

>Pro-growth seems harder to defend,

That's clearly wrong. If you have economic growth in the productive sectors, and technological advancement you can produce more with less labor and as a result it becomes possible to improve living conditions for people, and reduce the amount of time people have to work.

During the social democratic period after WW2 when industrial productivism was the guiding principle, Living conditions improved, work-time reduced, and labor conditions also improved. So it's not only easy to defend, it's easy to prove.

>I think it only makes sense if robot productivity is measured instead of human productivity

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 No.487260

>>476743
>Why does it need to "grow", like capitalism?
Material conditions need to continue to improve. Every worker should be more powerful the next year than the previous year. After all the more free-time, materials and energy you have the more you can self-actualize.

You only need to be as sustainable as to optimally grow.

tl;dr socialism is about getting rich
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 No.487303>>487304>>487314

> That's clearly wrong. If you have economic growth in the productive sectors, and technological advancement you can produce more with less labor and as a result it becomes possible to improve living conditions for people, and reduce the amount of time people have to work.

Technological advancement doesn't require overall economic growth. You're just assuming it does, when it doesn't.
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 No.487314

>>487303
>Technological advancement doesn't require overall economic growth. You're just assuming it does, when it doesn't.
There are incremental technological advances that require nothing more than brain effort.

But all the big tech advances only happened once the economy grew large enough to support it. Like for example a lot of tech was made possible by experimental research. There are a lot of scientific experiments that require a lot of energy and exotic materials, it would not have been possible to do these without a big and sophisticated industrial base.

But it's not just research. There is a very strong trend where more advanced materials cost more energy to make. Arranging molecules in more complex ways usually comes with more energy costs and a larger number of resource-inputs, that's the direction of a growing economy. If you are looking at synthesis of fancy super-materials like graphene, there actually are physical barriers that make it impossible to do this at low energy levels.

Microchip fabs that produce smaller chip-structures consume more energy, even bio-tech consumers a lot of embodied energy. Meaning going smaller equals using more energy/resources.

In general
bigger economy equals better tech.
growing economy equals improving tech.

Some technologies aren't doable on earth at all, and you need to establish a large industrial base in space to make it happen. I'm thinking about micro black holes, those have a few interesting applications, but if you produce a micro black hole on earth it'll just fall towards the center of the earth, and then pass through it, and then oscillate through the planet back and forth. Yes i said through, micro black holes are so small that they're not likely to interact even if they pass through a planet. To use something like that you need to be able to put a very large machine into planetary orbit. The economic power of humanity currently is probably 100 times to small to make something like this happen.
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 No.487174[Reply]>>487177

Has propaganda changed in the last decade? The sheer audacity of the mass media over the past few years on any subject of American imperialism has seemed to be a never-ending rollercoaster of escalations. Every time you think they've made the most stupifying, incredulous assertion you've ever heard, a month later they've moved onto something even dumber. I thought the level of propaganda around the Syrian war was unprecedented, but then the Ukraine proxy war happened. I thought, then, that the Ukraine proxy war has never seen a more extreme demonstration of endless lies. Lies about how it started, lies about how it's going, lies about where it's headed. An endless stream of brazen lies, it's been truly shocking just how much bullshit they expect the public to swallow without question. And then the Palestinian genocide began. Now Israeli fascists will post videos on social media of themselves committing barbaric massacres that everyone in the world can view, yet the mass media still wants us to believe the fiction of them being some kind of humanistic, moral democracy.

Is there a trend here? Does it seem like there's been a real change in the audacity of the empire's propaganda machines? Were previous imperial ventures this extreme in their attempts to deceive the public? Is it just the benefit of hindsight? I really feel like previous imperial ventures didn't have this level of Orwellian spin peddled on a daily basis.
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 No.487176

The Bush era was worse imo than Syria and Ukraine - the height of the "war on terror" was completely insane. Imo it's not until the past couple years that it's really topped that.

The thing with the Bush era was that there really seemed to be an American base for it. Like, there were really lots of people who believed it, until the Abu Ghraib stuff most people in America actually weren't seeing that much of what was being done in Iraq, a crazy amount of people fell for Bush's "they hate our freedoms" bullshit.
What's crazy is watching them try the same shit now when most of the public sees right through it. The American political and media establishment very obviously wants the public to still be in "war on terror" mode, and it's really jarring watching them use the same insane language and talking points and lies from the Bush era when the average person knows they're lying and hears this stuff and is repulsed by it.
It is definitely more brazen in my view, and people should be very worried about that. The suppression has been incredibly aggressive, and it's not going to stop. Europeans desperately need to take the reigns of their own countries so that they collapse with the US, and Americans desperately need to seize the organs of state before they are wholly destroyed. America should abolish Zionism, end all colonial endeavors, and use its natural and human wealth to build a great nation for all which will no longer invade anyone but still have nukes.
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 No.487177

>>487174
>Now Israeli fascists will post videos on social media of themselves committing barbaric massacres
Please stop disparaging the Barbarians by comparing them to the Zionists. You know the Barbarians probably were the victims of propaganda too.

>Were previous imperial ventures this extreme in their attempts to deceive the public?

No, no, no, that's not how this type of propaganda works. People understand that these propaganda claims are bullshitt, deception only works when it's very subtle propaganda, that falsifies details.

The goal of asinine lunatic propaganda claims is to peer pressure people into repeating the nonsense, and then make people feel they have to defend it because they invested their own reputation in those claims. The goal is to create a situation where everybody pretends to believe it, and shape their own actions to maintain the pretense. The goal of propaganda is to shape behavior, not believes.

Propaganda almost never is capable of defeating reason with deception, even very stupid people usually can reason well enough to see through propaganda. The goal of propaganda is psychological hacks that circumvent reasoning. Maybe revisit the children's story of the emperor with no clothes to get an idea.

>Is there a trend here? Does it seem like there's been a real change in the audacity of the empire's propaganda machines?

>Were previous imperial ventures this extreme in their attempts to deceive the public?
It's still not as bad as the historic propaganda the British colonial empire did on "the savages" or the stuff the Fascists put out during WW2 on the Soviets. I would say the current setting in propaganda is like medium insanity

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 No.487296

I think part of it might be the higher degree of internet connectedness now, which is enabling people to very quickly confront extraordinary claims with actual reality in a way that wasn't possible in the past.


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 No.471175[Reply]

Are there any radical environmentalist anti capitalist forums, threads, or private chats you know of?
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 No.471190

no, i'm not a member of the communist party, officer
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 No.471264>>471269

Radical as in?
Terrorism is bad pr.
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 No.471269

>>471264
>Terrorism is bad pr.
So is socialism.
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 No.487292


Anons, are my twitter views politically incorrect enough?

@ChimeraMidnight


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 No.487286[Reply]

Can you guys read crimethink: days of war, nights of love it’s gemmy
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 No.487287>>487288

Maybe. Tell me more about it!
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 No.487288>>487289

>>487287
it’s a keyed Anarchist book made like 20 years ago it has a bunch of memorable quotes and it’s kinda like a manual for your own freedom and stuff
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 No.487289

>>487288
Gimme some quotes!


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 No.484609[Reply]>>484800

I think Antarctica should be annexed to Russia, China or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
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 No.484618>>487243>>487264

How hard would it be to organize workers in Antarctica? Could it be the first truly communist landmass?
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 No.484659>>487264

>>484610
There are likely valuable resources in and around Antarctica. However, controlling these territories requires complete naval dominance, a capability that only the U.S. possesses.
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 No.484800

>>484609
Antarctica is 4 white bears people
Fake jucheoid face the wall race traitor
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 No.487243>>487264

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>>484618
i have read something about these polar-bases

basically its mostly normies while some interesting engineering
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 No.487264

>>484618
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These bases in the arctic circle are dependent on cargo-plane deliveries for basically everything. They can't be organized because there's no bargaining power.


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 No.487180[Reply]

Chinese New Year 2025

How are you celebrating?
Post your food and your fireworks uyghurs.
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>>487202

I can't remember where I read it, but, I read that the CCP is favorable to communists and will take in refuge commies.
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 No.487204>>487254

>>487203
I don't think they're interested in imageboard communists though.
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>>487195
Why couldnt you? Go visit there and marry a beautiful Chinese lady to get citizenship.
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 No.487223

>>487207
Fuck you WMAFtard
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 No.487254

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 No.482170[Reply]

the world works on looks. looks are important. we human will always fully think and associate people with lighter skin color as looking better, better to look at, and is more beautiful/pretty/handsome.
we all also associate lighter skin color with being more feminine for women consider feminine. we can never change this. not a single thing anyone do and say will ever change this. you can never change how people think like this. man or women everybody think like this.

now then have and obvious answer. for the sake of use call it the “Blond Path". we need to produce white people with blue eyes and green eyes and blond hair and ginger hair. the quota would be 10 times the world population including the world population of whites with natural color hair and eyes. To do this we ignore or erase things that are a hindrance such as marriage, monogamy, family unit, relationship, and romance. Production does not stop there, we also need to group ethnic whites together with the same ethnic whites (Ex: Scotts with Scotts, serbs with serbs, and etc). Although this one is of a different program. This program also require us to get rid of the same hindrance the former program have. Both program do not see heigh, body or looks. As long as your face are not horrendous you are good, so even if your not handsome and beautiful you will still be in the program.

As part of the Blond path and to prevent dehumanization and other such unwanted idea,we will educate people. Specifically we will tell them about that one zoning infrastructure real-estate thing (I forgot the name of it) that put black and brown people in place were the chemicals,paint ,water ,walls and environment in general are doing things to their head (mind and brain) and body. In general everybody need to be educated about racist laws and myth and other such things. Other then that we need to eliminate race science and race bias in science.

In short. The world need to have industry level production of ethnic whites and more importantly whites with blue eyes, green eyes, blond hair and red hair because the world work on looks. But we also educate people so they don’t believe in race science and race biased science.

we must advertise this to every rightoid, boomers, and whites.

I am speaking as a brown.
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 No.482812

I don't mean offense 😅 anyway . I'm your fan your work throughout the history is fascinating. If anything is happening in reality it always has it's causal reasons so anyway life is life and it is what it is . Please do accept my friendship invitation on telegram . Xoxo . If I'm redpilled schizophrenic it'd be fun talking to me 😉
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 No.482841>>483065

Another day another conspiracy theorist gone completely mad . How the fuck you can control 8 billions of breeding people like how do you control each individual's choices and thoughts
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 No.483065>>483067

>>482841
silence those people who keep speaking about "diversity is beautiful", "inner beauty!", and "non-whites are beautiful too!". we will do the breeding program after a red victory, then we can do the program without much of a hurdle. because in truth, actual victory is achieved when we can steamroll those delusional "diversity"-people.
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 No.483067

>>483065
You need a cute brown girl (or boy idc) to blow your pent-up load into. Doctor's orders to cure your eugenicist brain-rot.
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 No.487208

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All of the other bleaching threads in this site are fakes. I hope Trump kills you all.


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 No.487041[Reply]

I haven't researched it yet, but I just saw this excerpt from a 1978 piece by Paul Goldstein for the LaRouchite Executive Intelligence Report which claims that Jewish Confederate Judah P. Benjamin and B'Nai Brith member Kuttner Baruch were crucial to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan.

There's a Dr. Simon Baruch who apparently was later revealed to be a Klan member, but I haven't delved deep enough to learn much about Kuttner Baruch and what the sources for the claim that he financed it are. Has anyone delved deeper?
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 No.487056>>487061

>>487046
>Elaborate on this? I'm interested to read more about it.
Not that guy you replied to, so bear that in mind.

The Zionists have a tendency to ally them selves with anti-Semitic factions internationally. They do that because they want local anti-Semites to alienate the local Jewish diaspora, hoping to increase the number of Jews that migrate to Israel.

Netanyahu once tried to whitewash Hitler. He said something along the lines of Arab leaders having tricked poor Adolf into committing the holocaust instead of concentrating all the Jews in Israel. So that KKK thing is not surprising. Also if re-incarnation was real that could explain this.
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 No.487061>>487112

>>487056
Right, I was asking Eugene for specific sources, examples, etc. of that specific thing happening in the 1800s. This is all before the existence of the Israeli state.
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 No.487112>>487173

>>487061
Like I said - those involved in the slave trade had no reason to not support an insurgency to punish the North. The original KKK was a big contributor to ending Reconstruction, and that was its chief purpose. First KKK was narrow in its purpose, since at the time, "race-politics" didn't entirely work. The chief enemies of the first KKK were Northern politicians and businessmen, and their collaborators including freedmen who entered politics. They obviously did not want black freedmen getting any idea they were actually free, but they had no particular opinion on the Jews.

Benjamin would have been the best link from Britain to the South, since that was what he was there to do during the Confederacy's existence. He would have known who to send the money to and how to coordinate the Klan's actions with what London wanted.

What did London really want? They wanted eugenics as the new slave system, and wanted their stamp on it. Eugenics was always a way to thoroughly purge the Americans of any prior sense of themselves.
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 No.487113

The later KKK was funded at home and by Germanic elements in Europe, and relied on its very large membership and the explosion of racial ideologies in the early 20th century. It helped them that Woodrow Wilson was an open supporter of the new Klan, and Wilson was huge on promoting eugenics.
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 No.487173

>>487112
Right, but do you have a historical source I can look at, particularly in relation to this line below?
>It's not a conspiracy theory to trade in common knowledge, for at the time, Jewish support for the KKK was not controversial.


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 No.486436[Reply]

Discuss.
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 No.487110>>487129

>>487101
>No idea how anyone can take "THE PLAGUES ARE JUST MADE UP!" as the lesson of COVID.
>They lied about a lot of stuff, but the deaths and medical bills were real
If somebody tells half-truths the simplest strategy is to just assume everything they say is a lie. It's not the best strategy when you "game this out" but it usually ends up in the "strategy-success-pile". I'm astonished you'd find this reaction surprising. The cost of believing a lie usually is much higher than missing out on a truth.
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 No.487129>>487137

>>487110
>If somebody tells half-truths the simplest strategy is to just assume everything they say is a lie. It's not the best strategy when you "game this out" but it usually ends up in the "strategy-success-pile". I'm astonished you'd find this reaction surprising. The cost of believing a lie usually is much higher than missing out on a truth.
Except a lot of what they lied about was stuff like saying "masks aren't effective!" early on, over-stating the efficacy of vaccines in preventing the illness, downplaying the contagiousness at the start of the pandemic, and then downplaying the death rate as they ended shutdowns in the US, and continuing to downplay it after Biden was elected.
If someone lies to me about what kind of plane is in the sky, and I see the plane there and it's different from the kind of plane they say it is, at no point is it rational for me to then conclude that planes don't exist and aviation is fake. I had COVID, most people I know had COVID, some people I knew were hospitalized for complications of COVID, at least one friend's grandparent was killed by COVID, and tons of people died of it. Unless you were living under a rock at the time and didn't know anybody or catch it, it would be completely insane to come to the conclusion that it didn't exist. It's not critical thinking, it's some sort of weird mindless pure reaction where someone somehow got accidentally reverse psychology'd into disregarding their own eyes, medicine, and all evidence just because the US gov't lied about some stuff, even though some of the gov'ts deception was downplaying how bad the very same disease was.
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 No.487131>>487133

>>487101
This """bird flu""" is just a cover story for herd culling to raise prices. Farmers always destroy their crops/livestock if they can't sell them at a price that's profitable enough. Now they "test" the birds for "bird flu" and find that SHOCKINGLY, some of the chickens they keep cooped up in disgusting, toxic factory farms are unhealthy. Their test is rigged to come up positive for a % of birds tested, then they just start culling. Bonus if the big farms can force their competitors to do the culling instead.

Of course if you truly believed this bird flu virus narrative, the culling is still nonsensical. Why not just quarantine the birds and let the virus run its course? It'd be much cheaper than culling millions of them. That's one clue for the believers that this is BS. Here's another: if this bird flu virus is so virulent and harmful and spreads to humans, then why did it take so long for this bullshit announcement to come out? Clearly it's not containable and should have been spreading to humans immediately.

>They lied about a lot of stuff, but the deaths and medical bills were real

The deaths were real and they were iatrogenic as well as simply relabeled flu cases.
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 No.487133

>>487131
>The deaths were real and they were iatrogenic as well as simply relabeled flu cases.
Or maybe the flu deaths that year were relabeled COVID cases. Did u think of that?
Maybe they made up influenza to sell vaccines. Oooh!
Adding in "relabeled" flu cases there is especially funny because you'd have to multiply the worst flu epidemic of the 2010s 9x to even almost get the amount of COVID deaths in 2021 alone. Of the worst flu outbreaks in US history, only the Spanish Flu outbreak of 1918 got numbers like this. Unless this was one of the worst, if not the worst flu outbreak in US history paired with a total systemic pattern of medical homicide, the explanation that it was "iatrogenic" deaths paired with relabeled flu deaths makes no sense. Flu deaths even in years with high flu mortality would barely be a drop in the bucket. It doesn't meet the requirements for scale.
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 No.487137

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>Except a lot of what they lied about was stuff like saying "masks aren't effective!" early on, over-stating the efficacy of vaccines in preventing the illness, downplaying the contagiousness at the start of the pandemic, and then downplaying the death rate as they ended shutdowns
Governments can lie about things like a secret weapons program because that is stuff that doesn't directly touch the lives of their citizens, and it usually won't have any consequences. But they can't lie about things that touch the lives of their citizens without burning the institutional trust that enables them to have authority.

By the way the biggest lie related to covid was the omission that it had been predicted many years in advance, in exceptional detail, down to problems like hospitals lacking ventilator equipment. Given that foreknowledge we could have implemented decent public healthcare policies, and covid would have been a "nothing burger" that hardly killed anybody and only severely harmed very few. A decision was made to ignore the warning and let millions die.

If it had swung the other way and governments had implemented good public health care policy based on the scientific projection. Good governance of this type would have increased public trust by a lot.

>If someone lies to me about what kind of plane is in the sky, and I see the plane there and it's different from the kind of plane they say it is, at no point is it rational for me to then conclude that planes don't exist and aviation is fake.

You need a electron microscope to see a virus. I too looked at the scientific publications with the covid e-scope pics and yeah if you understand how to look at those it does make the virus as real as seeing a plane in the sky. But many people aren't plugged into the scientific sphere. To them it's not a objective measurement, to them it's a story where somebody claims to have seen a strange flying machine.

>I had COVID, most people I know had COVID, some people I knew were hospitalized for complications of COVID, at least one friend's grandparent was killed by COVID, and tons of people died of it. Unless you were living under a rock at the time and didn't know anybody or catch it, it would be completely insane to come to the conclusion th
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