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 No.477550[Reply]

US Justice Department confirms: Stalin did nothing wrong, because Stalin made very difficult, national security decisions, operating under extraordinary time pressure.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/01/12/fjoc-j12.html

<Practically the first words out of Sauer’s mouth were to warn the judges that if Trump could be held criminally liable for his actions in the White House, so could previous presidents. “To authorize the prosecution of a president for his official acts would open up a pandora’s box which this nation may never recover,” he said.

<“Could George W. Bush be prosecuted for allegedly giving false information to Congress to induce the nation to go to war in Iraq under false pretenses? Could President Obama for allegedly authorizing drone strikes targeting US citizens?”

One faction in bourgeois politics tries to go after another, and then realizes: fuck our guys did the same.
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 No.477551

No shit? Nobody wants to prosecute Trump, and if they want to get rid of Trump, they wouldn't use this infantile rules lawyering. Trump is their plan and always has been. Why would a liberal oppose him? They would love to run against Trump forever.
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 No.478085

>>477551
This.
Trump is an outlier pawn. Hes not anti-establishment. Hes just making a bigger tink than the typcial candidate.

His whole indignation campaign is just to generate profot to recover from his failed businesses.


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 No.460105[Reply]

>revolution will never happen in the first wo- YAKC!

https://truthout.org/video/stakes-are-high-for-workers-so-unions-are-mobilizing-for-midterms/

>Polls show 70% of American people support unionization
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 No.461610

>>461568
In what way was terrorism not good for radicalizing people in the 60s and 70s? It was a huge part of the insurrections and civil wars that characterized the period.
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 No.461915

I think that you're missing the point here. Are these people supporting new unions, or AFL-CIO unions? AFL-CIO unions are actively cucking to the actions of Congress and the big bourgeoisie, so unless you have a plan to salt them and bring change or(much more likely) create new systems altogether for class struggle, I don't think this is the flex you think it is. Ask anyone you know what the IBEW or the UFT is like, and they will tell you the same story; little representation in negotiations, constant loss of bargaining power due to increasing workforce(ergo inexperienced workers that cannot provide the same quality), revisionist and outright bourgeois representatives. It's Luxemburg's Reform or Revolution to a textbook level. I suppose there's nothing we can do on our own to find out what the data actually means by that though.
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 No.461946

>>461915
Also workers in general are to stupid to understand how unions work. I'm dead serious. At my old job that was union everyone would constantly bitch about the union but never participate in meetings or do anything to support it.
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 No.478026

>>460170
>People love a lot of things that make their lives worse. Speaking of chaos and destruction, isn't that state precisely where our fantasies lie? Who wouldn't prefer a Mad Max-style apocalypse to going to work tomorrow? Who wouldn't rather live in a horrible, awful fantasy world like Fallout? I don't think that you appreciate the powder keg that we are sitting on. People hate this fucking world.


People are infected with main character syndrome. They only look at rhe glitz and glamor of Hollywood productions. In real life, alot of people would be overdosing on drugs or suiciding to cope.

People hate their own reality because they crave action/adventure fiction brainrot they read in comic books amd movies.
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 No.478049

>>461946
why else is the American South anti-union?


Where I live, its mostly union retiress from the northeast corridor but they vote against union policies here.


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 No.477582[Reply]

So Taiwan recently had elections, where the DDP won. The DDP is tied to the US. Their election campaign was focused on Taiwan secession from the one China principle. Oddly enough The Biden administration congratulated the DDP for their election victory by saying that the US doesn't support Taiwan independence.

While all this was going on, rumors started to surface that up to 90% of Taiwanese Generals and high-ranking military brass go to work in China when they retire from their military career. So while the US took over the Taiwanese political strata, the Chinese took over the command structure of the Taiwanese military. Mao probably would call this The party controls the gun.

So it appears that the neocon plan to create a Taiwan-China war is now cock-blocked. However with the US having a lot of influence over Taiwan's political strata, reunification is now paused as well.

This is a stalemate, and that means there's probably not going to be a happening in that region. Eventually all of this will tip in China's favor and reunification will happen once the US empire has sufficiently receded.

I guess this is good news for Asia, since they'll probably get spared a big war. It's probably bad news for the middle east tho.
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 No.477583

How did this even happen? Did the US rig an election? I thought the Taiwanese had grown rather weary of saber rattling anti-China bullshit.
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 No.477584

>>477583
>How did this even happen?
Last i checked up on this was probably half a year ago. And at that point it looked like the DDP was headed for an electoral defeat and independence/secession was off the table. I didn't pay attention so i can't tell you what happened in the meantime.

>Did the US rig an election?

Yeah that thought crossed my mind as well

>I thought the Taiwanese had grown rather weary of saber rattling anti-China bullshit.

That's still the case. People in the west are weary of the neocon's Ukraine war and the Zionists trying to genocide the Palestinians, but that shit continues none the less.
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 No.477705

>>477583
The DPP only got 40 percent but thanks to Taiwans retarded election law the highest number in one round wins even if its not a majority


 No.475181[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

JERUSALEM/GAZA, Oct 7 (Reuters) - The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas launched the biggest attack on Israel in years on Saturday, killing more than 20 people in a surprise assault that combined gunmen penetrating into Israeli towns with a barrage of rockets fired from the Gaza Strip.

Israel said the Iran-backed group had declared war as its army confirmed fighting with militants in several Israeli towns and military bases near Gaza and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to retaliate.

"Our enemy will pay a price the type of which it has never known," he said. "We are in a war and we will win it."

At least 22 Israelis were killed in the attack so far with more than 250 wounded, Israel's ambulance service said, but added that the toll was expected to rise.

The Israeli military said it had launched air strikes into Gaza, where witnesses reported hearing heavy explosions, with at least two dead.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/sirens-warning-incoming-rockets-sound-around-gaza-near-tel-aviv-2023-10-07/
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 No.477618

>>477615
No, credit where credit is do, John Mearsheimer's takes are grounded in reality, even if we don't agree on ideology.

>FFS you can be anti-Israel and also acknowledge that Hamas pulled some sick shit on October 7.

I'm not necessarily opposed to Israel, i'm opposed to Zionism, because its fascist(Marxist definition) in ideology and praxis. At least in theory Israel could be a "normal" country without the apartheid mega-death bullshit.

A violent reaction to the inhuman conditions in Gaza is universal to the human species, if there wasn't a Hamas there would be something else. Ultimately the Zionists created the conditions for OCT7 and i think they should get the blame. You certainly can't blame the Palestinians, they aren't granted rights and protections, hence they don't have obligations either. This is not a one-way street, the Zionists do not get to impose uncivilized conditions on Palestinians and still demand civilized conduct in return. If you create good material conditions for people you get peaceful people with a pleasant attitude. If you create horrible material conditions for people, you get violent and unpleasant people. It's not realistic to expect anything else. Consider that most Palestinians alive today, never experienced peace, their entire life has been war, their entire live has been an experience that political agency flows from the bomb-bay of a fighter jet.

There is another disturbing political current that i wish to oppose. There are people who try to harm others by weaponizing the environment, and that can't get a pass. A historic example would be Malthus from the 1800s, he advocated to create unsanitary conditions in the poor-people districts in order to encourage more death among the poor. The Zionists have also tried to kill Palestinians via a weaponized environment.

Of course I would much prefer if there was a secular communist resistance that embodied enlightenment values in Gaza instead of Hamas with backwards religious stuff. But there's no point in complaining, there already are more than enough armchair communists complaining about how other people are struggling wrong.

Also the Zionists went too far and they have now become "Tätervolk", and no longer count as "Opfervolk" in the Political framing.
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>>477615
>citing a political scientist whose theories have consistently produced accurate predictions as a credible source
Time to move on from the Ukraine grift, anon?
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 No.477623

>>477615
all settlers deserved it
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 No.477626

>>477615
If I understand correctly, Mearshimer is saying that Israel killed (or fabricated killings of) it's own people while Hamas attacked, to make a claim that Hamas is unfathomable evil.

There is a pathological need to believe Hamas was "pressed to act", "triggered", or something that retains the belief that people are pawns to be moved by the system. There hasn't been "restraint" or "tit for tat responses" as if they were two entities at peace. We're past the point where there is reconciliation. That's over, and there was no reconciliation as far as the Muslim world cared short of Israel's dissolution as "Israel". So long as Israel exists, it would be a violent imposition on the region. The aim of the Muslims has long been to rid the region of that entity.
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 No.477664

>>477626
>If I understand correctly, Mearshimer is saying that Israel killed (or fabricated killings of) it's own people while Hamas attacked, to make a claim that Hamas is unfathomable evil.
Not quite.
The Hannibal doctrine means that the IDF will murder with prejudice their own soldiers and Israeli citizens in order to prevent them from getting captured/kidnapped.
It looks like the IDF did that during the Hamas attack, which included kidnapping/capture of Israeli citizens and idf-soldiers. Later the Israelis claimed that Hamas had killed those people that in reality got "haniballed"
In addition to that Zionist propaganda also made up horror stories about decapitated babies and mutilations of women, in order to paint a picture of "unfathomable evil"
>There is a pathological need to believe Hamas was "pressed to act", "triggered", or something
Yes the Palestinians are very triggered about having to live under a Zionist occupation, and feel pressed to act towards ending that occupation. Human beings really hate being subjected to a brutal occupation force that stomps them into the dirt. And they will try to kill their occupies every chance they get. That's just how reality works. Some people a appear to have a pathological need to believe that there is an expectation that victims of such an occupation ought not to fight back.
> We're past the point where there is reconciliation. That's over
You're manufacturing consent for a regional war ? why ?
Sometimes i get the impression that we need more militant diplomacy efforts.
>So long as Israel exists, it would be a violent imposition on the region. The aim of the Muslims has long been to rid the region of that entity.
This isn't a war of civilizations. Israel could stop doing the retarded Zionist ethno-state expansionism bullshit and quit being the US imperial attack dog. Simply becoming a normal country of that region that has normal relations is an option.


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 No.477570[Reply]

God damn

Families in disbelief after hundreds of bodies found buried behind Mississippi jail

Jan 10 2024

The discovery of 215 bodies buried in unmarked graves behind a jail outside of Jackson, Mississippi, has left a community in disbelief. The families are angry they were never notified of the deaths and how their loved ones are buried in graves marked by just a metal rod and a number. Amna Nawaz discussed the disturbing details that have emerged with Bettersten Wade and attorney Ben Crump.

The families are angry their loved ones were buried in so-called pauper's graves marked by just a metal rod and a number and families were never notified of their deaths. The startling revelation came months after the mother of 37-year-old Dexter Wade filed a missing persons report last March. It wasn't until August when Bettersten Wade learned her son had been hit by a police car and killed, then buried in that same cemetery.

"And then I was calling them. They didn't have no information to let me know, have they found any information? All the details that I gave them for leads, they never came back to me to say, well, that lead led to something that we can work with. And I just couldn't believe that he had disappeared off the face of Earth and nobody knows where he at."

"And it was just horrible for me. And every day I wake up, I just want — I just look, look, look, just looking for him, just out in the streets looking for him. And, I mean, that's heartbreaking for a mother, and can't say hello, don't know how to get in touch with him. That is a horrible thing for a mother."

Benjamin Crump:
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 No.477573

>>477571
It's unclear. My impression is that causes of death vary, although the fact that they apparently told nobody about these graves and haven't kept open records of these deaths is incredibly suspicious. If it's not all murder, it's incredibly negligent at the least.
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 No.477574

>>477572
Lol, yeah that'd be the head-line if it had happened in China

>>477573
>the fact that they apparently told nobody about these graves and haven't kept open records of these deaths is incredibly suspicious.
Yup, it sounds like the premise for a B-Movie horror film.
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 No.477575

Should we expect to learn there was organ harvesting?
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 No.477576

maybe they know too much
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 No.477581

>>477575
I haven't researched the organ mafia in great detail, so take what i say with a grain of salt. It appears that they sort off "professionalized" and are no longuer operating in the underground where they get rid of bodies by digging ditches.

But you're hunch about it being some gruesome crime disposal-site, might still be true. Maybe it's cannibals. There haven't been scandals about that in a while.


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 No.477444[Reply]

John Pilger died age 84

One of the most based anti-imperialist investigative journalists and docu film-makers has left us.

REST IN POWER comrade
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 No.477549

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>>477448
>>477451
Gonzalo Lira was murdered by the urko-regime.

https://farside.link/nitter/RealAlexRubi/status/1745863733438488629
<It is with great sadness I must announce that Gonzalo Lira @GonzaloLira1968, passed away in a hospital according to his father, who has been fighting to get his son much-needed medical attention for the past weeks.

<Here is a hand-written note from Gonzalo which I received on January 4: "I have had double pneumonia (both lungs) as well as pneumothorax and a very severe case of edema (swelling of the body). All this started in mid-October, but was ignored by the prison. They only admitted I had pneumonia at a Dec. 22 hearing. I am about to have a procedure to reduce the edema pressure in my lungs, which is causing me extreme shortness of breath, to the point of passing out after minimal activity, or even just talking for 2 minutes."


<"I cannot accept the way my son has died. He was tortured, extorted, incommunicado for 8 months and 11 days and the US Embassy did nothing to help my son. The responsibility of this tragedy is the dictator Zelensky with the concurrence of a senile American President, Joe Biden," Gonzalo's father wrote.


It's sad to see him go.
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 No.477553

>>477549
Rest in peace, coach.
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 No.477564

>>477549
Just a couple days ago his father did an interview with the Duran.
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 No.477569

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>>477564
Damn, that was just 2 days before Gonzalo died.


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 No.449782[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

A vote has passed in the congress to establish a right wing debate general to argue against right wing talking points and keep them from leaking out onto the rest of the board. From this point on all right wing discussion points should be confined to this thread and this thread will be used for debunking them and generally punching rightoids in the dick. All right wing nonsense posted outside of this thread will be subject to a deletion hence forth if deemed necessary.
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 No.476558

>>476557
NJP is cringy and glows (and Erik Stryker has unnaturally odd physiognomy), but they are edging toward based here
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 No.476560

>>476558
I just like to see rightoid infighting
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 No.476566

>>476560
Thank god the NJP is so laughable/cringe on it's own merits. Otherwise, they might actually be a threat, especially considering how the left does fuck all nothing besides online idpol and shill for the DNC
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 No.477407

Rightoids are stealing a page from Mao and advocating for land reform.
https://newfrontierusa.substack.com/p/a-new-american-homestead-act
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 No.477544

>>449782
you are a fucking sped, and half of the people destroying "le right wing neo nazis!!!!!!!" are also fucking idiots.


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 No.477470[Reply]

So I wrote the second book. This is a rough draft. There is at least one typo I will correct during my next upload but I'm busy writing and want to check over it again for clarity.

http://eugeneseffortposts.royalwebhosting.net/xR3iUgFdAMp5/

Book 2: Mechanisms of Economic Actors in Nature and Society

The subject of the book is to establish some concepts that allow us to pose what the "economic question" is as mechanisms. Mathematically, "value" doesn't really exist as a proposition that economics can make, because the values - utilities of technology or the technology itself - are discrete and not interchangeable. For every utility, there is a definite sequence of events which we would have to arrest if we are to speak of it as something that can be managed.

Maybe this will help explain my thinking when I bring up economic theories of what "value" is, dispute Marx. (I really don't think Marx had a "theory of value" as such - he's elaborating on liberal political economy and showing how it contains perverse incentives which are nonetheless true in that situation, and nothing about this suggested a trans-historical concept.) Money, ultimately, is valuable because we agree, for various reasons, that it is worth anything at all, and these reasons always return to politics and society rather than anything "in nature". In nature, nothing has any economic value whatsoever, because "we" really don't matter to nature. In society, and in realistic situations, this value ultimately follows from political concerns, temporal authority, and spiritual authority. I get into that in the middle chapters of the book, but I avoid too much discussion of politics which is the subject of the next book. I have the first few chapters of Book 3 written and I'm rewriting them for web, and have the structure of Book 3 planned out. I want to plan Book 4 as well and I'll probably write both of them concurrently, so I know what Book 3 has to lead into and can make them work together.

I don't know if I can rewrite Book 2 to say what I want it to say, without escaping the limited purview I assigned to it. Basically, I need to make it clear that technology and contests for it are the proper understanding of economic value, but I don't believe I can do that without getting into politics and a theory of history (which is what Book 4 is, a theoryPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.477515

>>477511
I made a ZIP file of the website.
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 No.477519

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>>477515
>>477511
Hey uh I took the liberty of using pandoc to convert this to pdf and epub, without any guarantees of correctness.
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 No.477521

>>477519
It's nice to know the approximate length of the book when published is around 760-800 pages. I didn't think it would be that big.
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 No.477522

One thing about the pdf is that the footnote hyperlinks didn't translate.


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 No.477164[Reply]

>[The Marxist doctrine] is the legitimate successor to the best that man produced in the nineteenth century, as represented by German philosophy, English political economy and French socialism.
<t. Vlad Ulyanov (Lenin)

We need to discuss this. One of these things is not like the others. One these things is GERMan.

It's really bizarre seeing Vanguardists of all people fellate GERMans so much, when one of the two sources of Leninism is fucking Jacobism lol.

Let me tell you something, retards: GERMans fucking HATED the French Revolution and all it stood for. Egalite, Fraternite, all that shit.

After GERMoids got btfod and occupied by the Napoleon - they've completely lost it. For more than a century to come almost all their cultural intellectual output was of the most reactionary rabid nationalist type. Not until they were literally sitting on the ruins after ww2 did they tone down their shit a bit.

It's truly ironic, almost COSMICALLY ironic, then, that the dearest to, the most obsessed over by, of the so-called sources, for marxists of all stripes thenceforth, was this GERMan poisoned source.

I rest my case.
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 No.477505

And this is why I say, if humans are to do something different, it would happen under very different conditions, which we can only guess at today. We can see the kind of changes that would take place because some of them are happening now - the desperate attempts to break free from this trap that was set for us. What I can say based on that is that humans are very, very far away from conceiving of a different way to do things, let alone a markedly different world or a different entity we would call "post-human". I believe in the end humans cannot direct this change or struggle to make anything happen, but that the true change only happens when the world and the situation will allow it, and it will not be evenly distributed or "just" in any way. When it does start, it is more likely humanity will look to each other, ask "what was any of it for?" as so many have in the past, and see that what they've been made to do was ridiculous and never should have gone on the way that it did. But, the way out likely means that humans become very detached from past concepts of the political, while having a sense of the world that allows them to subvert the machinations that drag us back to this situation. Very likely, these people would have already, due to the misery humanity inflicted on others, lost interest in "life for its own sake", or the philosophy that struggling for life is the point. It's not difficult to see that the "struggle for life" is counterproductive, but to get past that requires getting past this imperial biological pseudoscience regarding evolution, and to use sense to reconstruct how something like evolution could even happen in the first place. That is not a difficult challenge, but eugenics is the holy of holies. They kill anyone who tells these Satanics they will be anything less than living gods.
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 No.477506

Just getting rid of eugenics and its creed would improve everything drastically in obvious ways, even if humanity remains fundamentally evil. Given human history and what is likely, humans will abandon conceits about republican government and see that all such political forms are unworkable, which is already happening. This leaves only one real option as a true political theory, and those will be the conditions of humanity moving forward.
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 No.477507

But, humans won't actually live in any "different world" or get over themselves for a very long time, if that ever happens. It doesn't even happen at a local level. The better of humanity just sigh and find some way to reconcile with the world, and keep society at a distance.

It would be better if anyone surviving the nightmare to come saw this for what it was, knew that modernity was a failed experiment, and learned the proper lessons from it. Perhaps, sooner than I expect, there will be a way forward to endure this. Humanity was denied social interactions worthwhile, but a dismal existence with a half-aware understanding of what might have been stays alive until the bastards snuff that out, and record recurs from the damned who carry on against a race that cannot cease its cycle. The world cannot change, and if humanity insists of following a crass interpretation of the world as the shortest route to political power, humanity too cannot change. Ever. But, humanity would not have grown into anything if such a foul logic were true. It would exist - humanity's origin is demonic and there is nothing to redeem it - but anything we would regard as good exists because the world allowed it to exist, because there were no malicious humans around to destroy or pervert it, and because of some decency humans inherited - which will never, ever be theirs - that suggested that allowing something better than the purest rot would be a good idea because this makes life easier for everyone, and pointless suffering and torture led to predictable results every single time their theories have been tried.
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 No.477508

>>477507
Back again with your a historical retard hot takes I see.
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 No.477535

>>477466
He was also using money y'know. & even invested all of the profits from one of his books into ComIntern Inc.
What a fucking cappie-kike, being a capitalist in a feudal shithole, surrounded by capitalist world ordnung, amirite guize?

Not even talking about how he made deals with Bri'ish Empire & their Iranian cocksock sheikh & also t*rkoid republicans, damning all the communists in these countries to death so he could get sum noice deals.
Oh, & RSFSR also supplied Arditi de Popolo with rifles. Y'know, the Italian popular fascists with death squadrons specifics who denounced that socialist cuck Muzzolini.


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 No.477452[Reply]

Lets talk about socialist military in present conditions.

I think the blatant disregard for civilians in the war on Gaza has shown us that the goal should be to have at least 60% of the general population armed and somewhat trained. But you can't expect normal people to operate complicated weapons or engage in fancy tactics. Very basic stuff like shoot and scoot harassment tactics are the best you can get. People hide, take a few potshots at an incoming military and then fuck off. And you basically go for a no-front combat style.

I know that the soviets made the most successful assault rifle of all times, but that type of weapon can only be used effectively by trained soldiers. So simple rifles, shotguns and revolver-handguns are the way to go. The main rifle probably should be a large caliber weapon that's powerful enough to pierce light vehicle armor. It might be worth going for 2 stage ammo to keep the recoil acceptable without complex dampening mechanisms. Bullet gets accelerated via expanding gunpowder gases in the barrel (first stage) and continues accelerating via a simple solid fuel rocket-motor outside the barrel (second stage). Hand-grenades would be useful but there would have to be significant idiot proofing. The revolver should use low noise ammo, basically a no-casing bullet that uses gunpowder to extend a backwards telescoping piston to shove itself out of the gun. (stealthy, quick to reload but only medium power)

A professional military is still required, to operate high tech weapons. That should focus mainly on anti air and deep strike abilities. The deep strike abilities would be used to target the war-profiteers and war logistics. If nobody can profit off war without significant personal risk, it might reduce the fervor for war. The focus on anti air is because historically capitalist wars against socialist countries had a tendency for punishing socialist populations by dropping bombs on them for no apparent military reason. It's also strategically useful to deny the opponent the high"ground" from the air.

It seems that biological-warfare is pretty much dead, since there don't appear to be any viable avenues for biological targeting mechanisms. However chemical warfare might come back in the form of drones that hunt people to spray them with toxic shit or incendiaries. So protective gear would need to be ubiquitous. It might be useful to include lots of infrastructure features that can be used to attacPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.477484

>>477476
>I think you distrust the proletariat too much which is why you don't want to give them high capacity fully automatic weapons. This is a liberal brain worm: a socialist state should not disarm it's own populace but instead eliminate the weaknesses of soft targets such as schools.
I agree that once we arm large parts of the population we have to improve clothing items and various other objects to have bullet-proof characteristics to reduce "the weaknesses of soft targets" as you called it.

I think the school shootings in the US are largely caused by capitalism degenerating the social fabric of society. My intuition is that socialism would likely not have that problem. However i still think socialism won't automatically cure all mental diseases and you'd still get some shootings. And for those cases it helps when the available weapons aren't bullet hoses. But my main objection is that it would be too expensive to produce enough ammo for everybody to train on assault rifles.

But you are not wrong, i do have sort of a prejudice against assault-rifles. I think they're kind-off aristocratic weapons. Akin to swords and bows during the medieval times. You have to train really hard to get any good at fighting with a sword or a bow. And you have to train really hard to get good at using fully automatic weapons. Most proles can't dedicate the time and resources towards mastery of a weapon like the warrior cast in a feudal society. What further raises my skepticism about assault weapons is that the people in the "gun-enthusiast spaces", all swear that assault weapons need to have lots of extra, complicated gadgets mounted to it. That makes it completely unusable as the people's weapon. We're not going to be able to pull that off at scale, these gadgets aren't really mass-producible. I consider simple weapons like revolvers, bolt-action rifles and shotguns to be prole-weapons because they don't have the aristocratic learning curve. Also look at the prices, with a few exceptions like the AK-47 or the AR-15, assault weapons are really expensive. The Soviets being able to pull off affordable, reliable and capable assault weapons, is more a testament to their engineering prowess than the weapon-type being inherently suitable as the firearm of the masses.

Now the political aspect. One of the reasons for aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>477482
>ok so then my original point stands from a couple replies ago that you won't get an average joe to shoot that sort of projectile. If it's carrying all the extra fuel, it may be less recoil than a traditional projectile at that velocity but the amount of initial powder to spin that shit out of the barrel will have more recoil than an assault weapon cartridge like 5.56 nato
>Anything larger than a 140 grain projectile is going to be too much
But i've seen youtube videos of tiny women with spaghetti arms shoot enormous elephant hunting rifles, so what gives? I wonder if changing the recoil profile from a short spike to a more spread out curve makes it more palatable. We could add a simple air-friction dampener into the stock and go for a huge muzzle break that exploits Bernoulli's principle to reduce recoil by using scavenged waste energy. It would look like the nose of a hammerhead shark tho.
>let alone a likely unreliable sci-fi cartridge dreamed up for a boardgame.
I admit i haven't found a real world example of a Bolter, and yes it was dreamed up for the WH40k board-game. But adding a solid-fuel-motor is not really high-tech or scifi. Basic solid fuel rocket-motors were invented in the 18-hundreds. Those can be reliably triggered with simple shatter-glass-fuses using a chemical reaction timer. Basically the initial kick of the round being fired breaks a small glass container, releasing 2 chemicals that when mixed ignites the solid-fuel-motor. The speed of that Chemical reaction can be tuned like the speed of a old-school fuse-wire. Even in mass production runs the variation on those will be small and the rocket-motor will trigger within tight tolerances. If that doesn't satisfy you, we'll stick a magnet at the end of the barrel and trigger with a Hal-sensor, that'll get the variation down to a few nano seconds.

>I think you have some good ideas bro

thanks
>I don't think you have any practical experience.
Yeah that's true, but firearm permits are way to expensive where i live. That's a rich men's hobby.
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>>477485
those fags pay thousands to boers to shoot on their land with their fag guns hopping out of their humvees with 20 pound rifles. This will never be practical for a militia. Mobility mobility mobility small arms should be exactly that with emphasis in being capable of reaching out practical distances: this could mean sub guns for city slickers but here in the country, someone needs 1-500 yards easily and that's where 5.56 comes in. Ammo weight is also a factor. I wish I could take you shooting out here in the west. it's really beautiful even in Jan out here in the desert.
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It's funny how people think that "military training" is some arcane science accessible only to a few very powerful people, based on nothing really. The most effective armies in history were those that could mobilize a shit ton on men and machinery, usually because they had to and couldn't afford the usual bullshit stories that are told about it.

Everyone who is trained filters to the general population, and the basic methods of fighting are known enough - they're designed to be simple enough that it's impossible for a grunt to fail if they read the fucking manual. The real heart of the matter is that war implies a singular victor to be meaningfully war, and the victor of the present war is the institution against the people. It can only secure this victory through forced ignorance and degradation of the conditions of the people, and that is the war constantly fought - to degrade, denude, and prohibit any iota of independent action which is the objective of the present war. There wouldn't be a "civil war" here except by the choice of aristocracy to make one. It can end immediately if the bastards cease doing this, but if that ends, eugenics ends. The project ends, with the people remembering what was done to them and no violent recapitulation of the creed working to cow people into submission. It would then become the obligation of everyone not in the club to exterminate those in the club, by whatever means are suitable. There is no forgiving eugenics and what it did to us, and so the war will continue, absent any particular reason why this should happen.

What is really at work isn't "training" or some special knowledge, but a simple reality that wars have one victor, and an arranged "struggle" with preplanned outcomes is never stable, nor something that resolves with the victor unchanged and whole. The damned will either survive, or a new damned will appear for the same reasons that the old damned came to exist, and inherit the same struggle. Aristocracy cannot change under any circumstances, and it would be quite impossible for humans to abandon aristocracy in total. The closest they ever got was a genuine natural aristocracy, which will lose faith in its status within a generation and undermines its claim from the outset. For the damned, there is no reconciliation with aristocracy, or even "making a new aristocracy" in their own image. Were the damned ever to truly win this battle, they would probably see the situation, see humanity is Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>477486
Can you explain why mobility is important for a people's militia. If there's war and people go on a raid to harass a nearby hostile military formation, they wouldn't have to travel a great distance. Plus there are many pictures of these lets call em "fighter groups in the middle east region" that carry absolutely huge rifles. Pic related, looks like something originally intended to be mounted on a vehicle or something. They seem to manage hauling that stuff around somehow.

Maybe there is a design trick and these are lighter than they appear, if you make the barrel really long, you don't need as much barrel pressure, because a long barrel extracts more energy from the same gunpowder charge. Plus a long barrel has more cooling. Less pressure and less heat means less material strength is needed, and potentially weight.


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